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How can we create"},{"speaker":"Emili Budell-Rhodes","startTime":1649.99,"endTime":1653.08,"body":"clarity around certain things?"},{"speaker":"Emili Budell-Rhodes","startTime":1653.08,"endTime":1657.34,"body":"So So simplification is, is a"},{"speaker":"Emili Budell-Rhodes","startTime":1653.08,"endTime":1657.34,"body":"big aspect of it, but it's also"},{"speaker":"Emili Budell-Rhodes","startTime":1657.34,"endTime":1663.82,"body":"about capturing context, and"},{"speaker":"Emili Budell-Rhodes","startTime":1657.34,"endTime":1663.82,"body":"sometimes embracing the fact"},{"speaker":"Emili Budell-Rhodes","startTime":1663.82,"endTime":1667.63,"body":"that things can be nuanced,"},{"speaker":"Emili Budell-Rhodes","startTime":1663.82,"endTime":1667.63,"body":"depending on the context that"},{"speaker":"Emili Budell-Rhodes","startTime":1667.63,"endTime":1668.11,"body":"you're in."},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":1668.9,"endTime":1671.6,"body":"Earlier, I talked to"},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":1668.9,"endTime":1671.6,"body":"rose about the importance of"},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":1671.6,"endTime":1676.13,"body":"recruiting and inspiring women"},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":1671.6,"endTime":1676.13,"body":"in tech. 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I do."},{"speaker":"Emili Budell-Rhodes","startTime":2253.0,"endTime":2256.93,"body":"I wouldn't say it's the only"},{"speaker":"Emili Budell-Rhodes","startTime":2256.93,"endTime":2261.61,"body":"thing because then we also have"},{"speaker":"Emili Budell-Rhodes","startTime":2256.93,"endTime":2261.61,"body":"sponsorship as well, that is"},{"speaker":"Emili Budell-Rhodes","startTime":2261.61,"endTime":2265.6,"body":"really impactful. 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It's more about"},{"speaker":"Emili Budell-Rhodes","startTime":2279.85,"endTime":2283.39,"body":"offering perspective. And that's"},{"speaker":"Emili Budell-Rhodes","startTime":2279.85,"endTime":2283.39,"body":"a really precious thing,"},{"speaker":"Emili Budell-Rhodes","startTime":2283.45,"endTime":2286.51,"body":"particularly, you know, when"},{"speaker":"Emili Budell-Rhodes","startTime":2283.45,"endTime":2286.51,"body":"everyone's busy running from one"},{"speaker":"Emili Budell-Rhodes","startTime":2286.51,"endTime":2290.32,"body":"thing to the next. 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And"},{"speaker":"Emili Budell-Rhodes","startTime":2304.63,"endTime":2305.8,"body":"that's a very healthy thing."},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":2306.52,"endTime":2309.22,"body":"What advice would you"},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":2306.52,"endTime":2309.22,"body":"give people in terms of"},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":2309.25,"endTime":2311.11,"body":"identifying a mentor?"},{"speaker":"Emili Budell-Rhodes","startTime":2311.9,"endTime":2313.76,"body":"Well,"},{"speaker":"Emili Budell-Rhodes","startTime":2311.9,"endTime":2313.76,"body":"there's different ways of doing"},{"speaker":"Emili Budell-Rhodes","startTime":2313.76,"endTime":2318.74,"body":"it. 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I've had"},{"speaker":"Emili Budell-Rhodes","startTime":2338.33,"endTime":2342.35,"body":"a number of different mentors."},{"speaker":"Emili Budell-Rhodes","startTime":2338.33,"endTime":2342.35,"body":"They're just people that I"},{"speaker":"Emili Budell-Rhodes","startTime":2342.35,"endTime":2345.38,"body":"hugely respect and want to learn"},{"speaker":"Emili Budell-Rhodes","startTime":2342.35,"endTime":2345.38,"body":"from, and I've just reached out"},{"speaker":"Emili Budell-Rhodes","startTime":2345.38,"endTime":2349.79,"body":"to them, and actually just asked"},{"speaker":"Emili Budell-Rhodes","startTime":2345.38,"endTime":2349.79,"body":"them whether they'd be willing."},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":2349.79,"endTime":2352.22,"body":"They responded very"},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":2349.79,"endTime":2352.22,"body":"positively?"},{"speaker":"Emili Budell-Rhodes","startTime":2352.52,"endTime":2354.5,"body":"Absolutely."},{"speaker":"Emili Budell-Rhodes","startTime":2352.52,"endTime":2354.5,"body":"I mean, it's a hugely flattering"},{"speaker":"Emili Budell-Rhodes","startTime":2354.5,"endTime":2357.38,"body":"thing to be asked, it's kind of"},{"speaker":"Emili Budell-Rhodes","startTime":2354.5,"endTime":2357.38,"body":"nice."},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":2357.42,"endTime":2359.76,"body":"Well, but as you said,"},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":2357.42,"endTime":2359.76,"body":"it's a two way street. So for"},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":2359.76,"endTime":2366.15,"body":"them, it is also a learning"},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":2359.76,"endTime":2366.15,"body":"opportunity. 100% right. So this"},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":2366.15,"endTime":2370.11,"body":"is just one of the many pivots"},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":2366.15,"endTime":2370.11,"body":"you're gonna make, I hope that"},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":2370.35,"endTime":2375.18,"body":"you will look for several more"},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":2370.35,"endTime":2375.18,"body":"ahead of you. Thank you so much"},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":2375.18,"endTime":2382.08,"body":"for joining Emili. Emili is a"},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":2375.18,"endTime":2382.08,"body":"third person I know who has come"},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":2382.08,"endTime":2388.2,"body":"from social science background,"},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":2382.08,"endTime":2388.2,"body":"and has made a significant pivot"},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":2388.2,"endTime":2394.86,"body":"to technology. And I think that,"},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":2388.2,"endTime":2394.86,"body":"as Emili said, that pivot is not"},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":2394.86,"endTime":2400.71,"body":"as difficult as you might fear,"},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":2394.86,"endTime":2400.71,"body":"if you put your mind into a"},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":2400.71,"endTime":2404.19,"body":"specific direction you want to"},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":2400.71,"endTime":2404.19,"body":"go and find people to support"},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":2404.19,"endTime":2408.24,"body":"you along the way. Emili, thank"},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":2404.19,"endTime":2408.24,"body":"you for being part of this"},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":2408.27,"endTime":2409.41,"body":"podcast today."},{"speaker":"Emili Budell-Rhodes","startTime":2409.86,"endTime":2412.17,"body":"Thanks for"},{"speaker":"Emili Budell-Rhodes","startTime":2409.86,"endTime":2412.17,"body":"inviting me YS it was a pleasure"},{"speaker":"Emili Budell-Rhodes","startTime":2412.17,"endTime":2412.98,"body":"speaking with you."},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":2413.56,"endTime":2416.56,"body":"Oh, and we're very proud"},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":2413.56,"endTime":2416.56,"body":"of what you're doing. Thank you."},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":2417.01,"endTime":2420.64,"body":"Thank you to our listeners for"},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":2417.01,"endTime":2420.64,"body":"tuning in. Don't forget to hit"},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":2420.64,"endTime":2424.15,"body":"subscribe on your podcast app to"},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":2420.64,"endTime":2424.15,"body":"get new episodes as soon as"},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":2424.15,"endTime":2427.66,"body":"they're released. And once"},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":2424.15,"endTime":2427.66,"body":"again, thank you for listening."}]}