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Human oversight"},{"speaker":"Philippa Scarlett","startTime":1167.03,"endTime":1167.66,"body":"is critical."},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":1169.1,"endTime":1173.24,"body":"I don't want to create a"},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":1169.1,"endTime":1173.24,"body":"crystal ball situation here, but"},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":1173.45,"endTime":1180.17,"body":"if we move this time frame out a"},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":1173.45,"endTime":1180.17,"body":"few years, how differently do"},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":1180.17,"endTime":1184.31,"body":"you see government's role being"},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":1180.17,"endTime":1184.31,"body":"in the world of this rapidly"},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":1184.31,"endTime":1187.52,"body":"changing world of AI"},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":1184.31,"endTime":1187.52,"body":"development? 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Well, we know"},{"speaker":"Philippa Scarlett","startTime":1306.47,"endTime":1312.98,"body":"Brazil as the host of the G20"},{"speaker":"Philippa Scarlett","startTime":1312.98,"endTime":1316.67,"body":"this year and also of COP next"},{"speaker":"Philippa Scarlett","startTime":1312.98,"endTime":1316.67,"body":"year."},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":1316.76,"endTime":1317.03,"body":"That’s right."},{"speaker":"Philippa Scarlett","startTime":1318.35,"endTime":1322.28,"body":"And India,"},{"speaker":"Philippa Scarlett","startTime":1318.35,"endTime":1322.28,"body":"also an important major economy"},{"speaker":"Philippa Scarlett","startTime":1322.28,"endTime":1329.0,"body":"and player here. I think we…"},{"speaker":"Philippa Scarlett","startTime":1322.28,"endTime":1329.0,"body":"quote smaller countries. 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Those are"},{"speaker":"Philippa Scarlett","startTime":1444.26,"endTime":1448.22,"body":"the, I think, probably the"},{"speaker":"Philippa Scarlett","startTime":1444.26,"endTime":1448.22,"body":"biggest keys. What are we"},{"speaker":"Philippa Scarlett","startTime":1448.22,"endTime":1452.99,"body":"talking about? What went into"},{"speaker":"Philippa Scarlett","startTime":1448.22,"endTime":1452.99,"body":"this box? And then what will"},{"speaker":"Philippa Scarlett","startTime":1453.02,"endTime":1457.55,"body":"happen with the outputs? Humans"},{"speaker":"Philippa Scarlett","startTime":1453.02,"endTime":1457.55,"body":"need to be involved. They're the"},{"speaker":"Philippa Scarlett","startTime":1457.55,"endTime":1461.33,"body":"ones accountable in our systems"},{"speaker":"Philippa Scarlett","startTime":1457.55,"endTime":1461.33,"body":"of government."},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":1462.95,"endTime":1466.31,"body":"Transparency and human"},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":1462.95,"endTime":1466.31,"body":"oversight. You've heard it from"},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":1466.34,"endTime":1466.58,"body":"Pippa."},{"speaker":"Philippa Scarlett","startTime":1466.58,"endTime":1466.67,"body":"Yes."},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":1467.84,"endTime":1471.41,"body":"Thank you so much for"},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":1467.84,"endTime":1471.41,"body":"joining us today, Pippa. This"},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":1471.41,"endTime":1474.92,"body":"has been very informative and"},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":1471.41,"endTime":1474.92,"body":"look forward to seeing how"},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":1474.92,"endTime":1480.5,"body":"governments do handle their"},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":1474.92,"endTime":1480.5,"body":"participation in this journey"},{"speaker":"YS Chi","startTime":1480.5,"endTime":1481.43,"body":"with the private sector."},{"speaker":"Philippa Scarlett","startTime":1482.15,"endTime":1483.2,"body":"Thanks so"},{"speaker":"Philippa Scarlett","startTime":1482.15,"endTime":1483.2,"body":"much YS."}]}