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 Bob and Virgil unpack Avram’s clues—dhows, monsoons, Borneo and Sumatra, Sri Lanka’s dagobas, Madagascar’s giant eggs—and debate how far a fable can take you toward the truth. 

• Reading the text like a chart: Kabil/Kasil → Borneo? 

• Sumatra’s “island of apes,” ears to the shoulders, and traveler’s overlap with the Odyssey 

• The roc vs. Aepyornis: why giant birds matter even when they can’t fly 

• Serendip/Anuradhapura: when a white dagoba becomes a “roc egg” on the horizon 

• Takeaways for modern readers: how to spot facts hiding in folklore 

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