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Scientology Outside of the Church Podcast
SE6EP9 - Exteriorization and Past Lives
Are you aware of the power you posess as a spiritual being? Of how much control you actually have over your experiences, past, present, and future? Today, Quentin Stroud and I take you along an eye-opening exploration of exteriorization and past lives, as defined by L Ron Hubbard. We'll discern how being outside the body, or exteriorization, allows us to understand our spiritual identities better and achieve self-certainty.
We'll navigate the intriguing connection between our lives' past events and our current experiences. Together, we'll demystify Exteriorization in Scientology, highlighting how past life incidents affect our life today. Listeners will be privy to personal experiences of how delving into past lives has brought about stability, clarity, and certainty.
The episode concludes with an exciting revelation of the link between past traumas and allergies. We'll share how understanding past lives can empower us to take control of our destiny and progress. We also touch on the growing popularity of independent Scientology auditing and remote auditing over Zoom. Prepare to leave this episode with a profound understanding of exteriorization and interiorization, and how they influence every aspect of our lives.
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I'm here with my trusty companion, quentin Stroud. Quentin, how are you today?
Speaker 2:I'm very good. I'm ready to dive in deep today.
Speaker 1:We're going to go in a submersible sub and take a look at some things at lower depths here. It's not technical. It is technical but we're going to make it non-technical. We're going to start out with some definitions. This is going to be exteriorization and past lives, an introduction to exteriorization. Now we'll get into why this is important and everything, and we'll unravel this for our listeners.
Speaker 1:First off, what is exteriorization? What is it defined as by LRH? Lrh says exteriorization is the state of the Satan, the individual himself, being outside his body. When this is done, the person achieves a certainty that he is himself and not his body I'm adding to this but a spiritual being. The second definition the phenomenon of being in a position in space, dependent on only one's consideration, able to view from that space bodies and the room as it is. Third, the active moving out of the body, with or without full perception. Now, what does this have to do with everything?
Speaker 1:Well, we're going to get into exteriorization and interiorization and we need to do a little explaining about what the E-meter or what we use, a Theta-meter, which is a digital meter that connects to your computer and is far superior to what the church offers in their Mark 8 with its call home to the mothership and preventing you from using their $5,000 meter that you just purchased two of. Sorry, dave, but yeah, you can get a Theta-meter for about $550 either from us or Theta-metercom, and you plug it into your computer. You upload the software or download the software to your computer. What we're looking at with a meter is a meter shows the presence or change or lack thereof in mental mass or resistance.
Speaker 1:There's a little tiny electrical current that passes through those cans from your left hand to your right hand or solo. It's just into the body and out of the body through one hand so you can write down on your iPad, like I do, what's going on in your solo session. And that little tiny electrical current, when it runs into resistance, it can't pass through the body, slash through the Thaeton as well, or, connected to the Thaeton, the Thaeton creates mental mass and so there's more of a resistance. That means that there are mental pictures, mental masses being created by the Thaeton that are in restimulation. Does that pretty clear? You think, quentin?
Speaker 2:Well, I'll say it this way and to make it a little bit more lay terms like you might have experienced a time when you are trying to accomplish something, you're trying to learn a skill, or you're trying to do something that you really want to do, and yet there is some resistance. There's some resistance on it. There's, for some reason I'm not getting this. For some reason it's not getting through. What the meter measures is this mental mass or this resistance that you're running into.
Speaker 2:As a being and, of course we know, as a Thaeton you have the ability to considerations, postulates and thought, thought, considerations and postulates and opinions, and you have the ability to move those thoughts, those considerations, those opinions. You have the ability to move those through, whatever it is, whether it be like actually literally postulating something and seeing it come to pass, or whatever you're trying to accomplish in your life. Well, if there's mental mass, if there's this resistance that you're running into, it slows down your postulates, it slows down your thinkingness, it lowers your IQ, it does all this terrible stuff to us, and the whole purpose of auditing really is to relieve ourselves of this mental mass, of this resistance to our postulates, so that we, as spiritual beings, can have the experiences that we deserve and desire. I think that that really like I think everybody can really resonate with that and knowing like, yeah, that's exactly what I'm experiencing. I knew I wanted to do it, but for some reason I couldn't push through my resistance.
Speaker 1:And as an extension of that, what I do with a lot of with our pre-clearance and stuff, when I go over the basic concepts with them, like in a life repair or you know.
Speaker 1:I want to make sure if they've come from the church, for example, what they know, how they know it and everything. So we go over all these basic concepts, the axioms, the dynastic axioms, the Scientology axioms, and I do a drill with them and I say, okay, so we're going to do the opposite of what the reactive mind does. The reactive mind, things pop up in the view. You don't have any control of them because it's reactive. That's why it's called the reactive mind. You don't have any control over it, but you do have control over this. And to our listeners, go ahead and do this. If you're not driving, maybe not. If you're handling power tool, maybe not, but if you're just sitting having some coffee or some nice hot tea with lemon in it, I want you to get a picture in your mind, create a stage with a black background and a light hangover, a nice comfortable light, and on that wood stage, just like in a movie theater or something like that you know a classic movie theater on that stage, I want you to put a foot stool, a nice wooden foot stool. Okay, you got that. You got the black, you got the light above it. A wood floor, a foot stool, okay, good. Now I want you to imagine a cat of any color with beautiful green eyes. Okay, you see that cat. Now, make that cat alive. It's looking at you, it's tails moving slowly back and forth, Meow's at you, stays on there, it's just giving you it's attention. You're giving it your attention. Okay, good, now you got that cat, you got that room, you've got those points, all right. So the cat jumps down and walks closer to you, to the edge of the stage and you pet it. And Gritchy's on the back, gritchy's on the head, perz, now the cat goes back over. It's a nice long hair cat. Maybe, maybe it's a shorter cat, but it's got beautiful green eyes. Okay, good. So the cat walks back up and sits on the foot stool. Okay, good, so you got that. Now I want you to un-mock or take away the cat. Good, take away the foot stool. Good, all right. Now all you have left is the light, the stage and the black background. Okay, remove the black background, remove the stage. Good, all right. So it's gone.
Speaker 1:So that is an example of creative processing. You made it and you un-made it, you un-mocked it. So all of that had a tiny amount of mass. That is, you in control of a mental image picture and a mental image creation. You do this every day, every day, like we've talked about in the podcast. Okay, I think I'm going to go brush my teeth. You get a picture of yourself brushing your teeth in some way, if not in a lot of ways. Maybe you like it, maybe you don't. Same deal, okay. Now here's the deal with the reactive mind. The reactive mind pops things into view based off of re-stimulation. Something in your environment is re-stimulating you and causing you to have these things pop into view that you're not in control of per se. More than that later. So that's why it's called reactive. So what happens is when you go exterior, this reactivity occurs. Quentin, you want to take it away from here. You want me to?
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely so, when this is interesting because, even as you would do with the process, I could see myself exterior to all of that right, Exterior to all of that creation. It's interesting that you say that this happens from a reactive level and the reactive mind actually throws these things at you. Right, it throws these resistances at you. We have an acronym that we use for fear not in Scientology, in my own practice for fear. It stands for false evidence appearing real, f-e-a-r. False evidence appearing real.
Speaker 2:And so when you want to do something or you want to accomplish something, or you want to go and talk to that guy, or go and talk to that girl or whatever it is to be, and you have this fear that comes up in you, it's false evidence appearing real. You have, we've mocked up something that says, oh, this is going to be a problem, or they're not going to like me, or this is going to. You know, I'm too fat, or I'm too ugly, whatever the thing is right, and it's all just false evidence appearing real. It's stuff that we've created. It's the stage, it's the background, it's the light, it's the cat, it's the whistel, it's stuff that we've created in our own awareness and our own universe and it keeps us from being able to move forward. Well, when you go exterior, so let's say we're in auditing, we're in session, and so when you reach out to LGP and you say I want to get some auditing, you get the data media, you're going in and boom, you go exterior. Like you feel this visceral experience of going exterior.
Speaker 1:Yeah, a lot of times it's like going down that first hill on a roller coaster, where you feel that sort of lightness. It's very similar to that, but more pronounced, and you're like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 2:Right. I mean it's oh, wow, that's an interesting experience. It's like you go in, you know you're here in your chair and yet you're not. I don't know how to explain it, anyway. So when you go exterior, in Scientology, what ends up happening is there's a little bit of key in as LRH says it in HCOB for January 1971. There's a little bit of key in that kind of comes up because yeah, I'm sorry, yeah, right, there's a little bit of like wait, whoa, this is weird, this is this, don't feel, right, this is whatever.
Speaker 2:There's some people who resist it, like, some people actually resist going exterior. But when you go exterior, there's a little bit of like triggering because it's like whoa. Because what we don't realize is that when we go exterior, we're just at the end of the incident, which is why usually, if you ever had some auditing and you go exterior, the auditor will like start to just like okay, we're going to go ahead and end here, but there's a you're at the end of the incident because I'm free of it now. I'm out of it. Whew, thank you, right, I feel so much better.
Speaker 2:But what we don't realize and this is what LRH found out in 1971, is that you had to get in there first. You wouldn't think that that kind of makes sense. Right, I'm out of something, but I had to get in it first, and so what LRH came up with was this interior, exterior rundown in X rundown that gets a person to really get through this, get to this place where, when I go exterior, I'm able to continue auditing, I'm able to continue moving forward in my life, I'm able to continue feeling free, being free because I not only ran out my exterior moment, but I also dealt with getting into the mess in the first place.
Speaker 1:Right, I love it. How can you get out of the house without having gone in the house in the first place? How can you get out of the car without having gone in the car? How can you get out of the body when there was an earlier interiorization into the body? And LRH says in this reference on the interiorization, exteriorization rundown, that what happens is when you go exterior, well, you're triggering, keying in same thing, restimulating an earlier exteriorization. But, as Quentin is describing, the earlier interiorization is now triggered in, keyed in.
Speaker 1:So this causes a much higher resistance on the meter and makes it much more difficult and in fact it is and I can attest to this. It is in fact uncomfortable, both as a fatan and in the body and you're going to be charged up and you're not going to know why. Well, that's because a series of engrams, which is a painful incident, loss, all this emotion and everything birth, death. They're both engrams going into the body, coming out of the body, both engrams dyonetically. So an earlier beginning in dyonetics new era dyonetics or book one, the original dyonics 1950, and earlier beginning causes the tonearm to go up because it hasn't been viewed, it hasn't been touched on and you have to get that information, to get an as is-ness, if you remember, from the States of being podcast, the axioms, scientology axioms and Dianetic axioms. So you have to find that earlier beginning and then guess what, quentin, you want to, you want to, you want to give them the.
Speaker 2:Well, I was gonna say, before I go into that, I was gonna say, when we go in, when we're in this body, when we're in this experience and this is, think about anything that you're uncomfortable you could be at a party, right, you could be anywhere that you are.
Speaker 2:And if it's uncomfortable being in there, there's gonna be a little bit of resistance, right, there's gonna be a little bit of pushback because I don't feel comfortable here, right? Well, imagine now a baby who is this amazing, beautiful being, this big, beautiful being, and is crammed in or chooses to be crammed in, chooses to be in, forced in to this meat body that has, you know, soft bones and you know, kickfully communicate what it wants to communicate, really. And it's like you're now in this thing, like you can see how birth would be, on some level, aberrative. You can see how birth would be, like God, what is this experience? Right? If you ever saw that movie back in the day with Kirstie Alley look who's talking, remember, look who's talking and remember when the baby was first born, the baby had all these considerations like who are you and what is this? Oh, my God, the light.
Speaker 2:You know, if you go, it's such a good movie, but that's kind of what happens when you go, kind of go in. Now let's think about death, obviously death, which is a way of going exterior, getting out of the body, getting out of this whole experience. Death is an abradive right Because something happened to you that you are no longer functioning in this body or with this body. So you know, these two things are very important. So now, when we talk about this interior exterior rundown, we talk about, like when a person goes exterior, that something has been touched on from way back when, when I first came into this, when I first got into this. Now, if you know anything about triggers and trauma and ingrams and stuff like that, if you know anything about this stuff, you know that something had to happen earlier.
Speaker 1:To remind you of it.
Speaker 2:In order to make you feel some kind of way about it now.
Speaker 1:Right earlier.
Speaker 2:So right, exactly. So something had to happen earlier to get me to a place where I'm not feeling this way, and what's cool about it is this what LRH discovered was is that when a person goes exterior, if we go back and we deal with when that person was put into this, it actually helps them to be exterior with more clarity, with more certainty, with more stability, right, because that mental mass is released, you're no longer dealing with the resistance and you're really ready to continue auditing well beyond it. I think that's so fantastic.
Speaker 1:Yeah, who would think so? This is yeah. So this is the interesting crux of the matter, and you're probably saying what does all this have to do with past lives? Where's the meat in the meat and potatoes? Well, here it is.
Speaker 1:Ok, this is very interesting and I want to make sure that I describe it very well, because what's happening here is is you've had hundreds of thousands of bodies, maybe not even this kind of body that we have here on Earth Now hundreds of thousands, millions, maybe even billions. This physical universe and its time track is pretty darn old and it's a lot longer than the scientists here on Earth want to admit or even know. So what's happening here is is you are triggering, restimulating, keying in all of these earlier going outs and coming in to these bodies. So this is a lot of restimulation for a person and all of this has been brought upon and it's important, it's very important to note that it isn't just something that gets. It gets restimulated or keyed in in session with going exterior, which is not something we go for in an auditing session.
Speaker 1:If it happens, hey, great, you know, then this proves you are not a meat puppet, you are not a body, you are a spiritual being that is outside of it, which we covered in our ways to new ways to present Scientology to others podcast in last season, season five. The point is is that if you're forced into a situation or you're forced out of someplace, you get kicked out of someplace, you lose your job or something like that. That's just as restimulative on these past goings in and coming outs. So it can happen in a lot of different situations, not just birth and dying or going exterior in session. It can be a lot of different things. We have different buttons on this and tell our listeners what happened when you were. We were going over this reference earlier before the podcast.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was actually just going to say that Even as I was reading this bulletin by LRH about this whole phenomena and what happens to a being in this, I literally felt keyed out. Like I felt keyed out because this is my first time actually seeing these references and I felt keyed out a little bit like because I'm like, yeah, I had to be forced into this and I had to kind of get into the space and be in this. I think LRH says like it's in a situation where you about to get hit by a truck. Well, what has you there in the road in a body about to get confronted with a truck? So it's like why am I here? What is this whole thing about?
Speaker 2:And you start to realize like I guess, on some level for me at least I felt like I became more at cause over my being here. Does that make sense? Like I became more at cause just in reading this reference and I haven't even done the process yet, but just in reading the reference I became more at cause of I'm here with some kind of intention, some kind of purpose, some kind of agreement, whatever it is. And now that that is, as I get auditing, as I continue going up the bridge as I continue going free like I can see myself when I go exterior. Yeah, now I know why I'm exterior to this. Now I know why this is a good place to be. Now I know why it's preferable to be exterior my meat body than to be trapped in it, like a lot of people may feel.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 1:So you're being put more at cause. You know that what's like? Lrh says that which a person understands they can't be the adverse effective. I mean not only goes so far. That's why auditing needs to be done, but it's it really makes you understand. Ok, I am not a body, I am a being in a body.
Speaker 1:So what this has to do with and how it proves past lives, I'm just going to be blunt and I'm just going to just say that it proves past lives, because when you do an interiorization, exteriorization rundown, either that or the there's another one called the end of endless interiorization rundown. One is a dynetic version and one is a Scientology version you start to realize that this has been going on for a really long time and you see what is in restimulation for for you and you get past these by looking at them as is in them, seeing them for what they are, and or an is this, and then as an as this, as is this, and then all of that stuff keys out. So it's, it's, it's released to a point that you've gotten all of the earlier exteriorizations going out and all of the earlier interiorizations going in and you realize you've been around a mighty long time and the physical universe pales in comparison to the state of universe, that which you really reside in, and when you get sucked into the body and it's hot and sweaty and you're miserable and you just want to take a shower and or you're cold or you know the body has aches and pains or whatever, you tend to lose sight of that, that whole thing. But the point is is that we're all in agreement to be in this body to play a game and play the game of survive. So this is what you've been doing.
Speaker 1:Go ahead, yeah.
Speaker 2:No, and I was just gonna say and and messed the physical universe, this meat, this body, our bones, our blood. I having to eat, I desire to have sex, and you know the whole thing. All of this can be a little tricky. It could be a trap, right.
Speaker 2:It could be this whole thing is like it's like it makes. It makes one believe that I am my body and even though innately we might say I have an arm or I have a leg, or my heart or my brain or whatever, you know that I am not my brain. I have a brain. Naturally you would say that. But for real, for real one might identify as right which is you know why?
Speaker 2:why?
Speaker 2:Why it's like, um, that this just came up, but like why I phantom pain might happen if a person loses a limb or something that they still, because they, they they're so aware of that limb, they're so aware of that thing that they might still have phantom pains, they might still feel teeming sensation their fingers or whatever.
Speaker 2:Whatever they still, they're still aware of it, right? So you know, I'm just saying all this to say that when we become so aware of who we really are which is the goal of auditing, which is the goal of Scientology as a, as a practice when you become so aware of who you really are, the things that you no longer are don't have so much power over you as a being, and that could be anything in your reality. That could be, you know, any person that you might be around, that might be, you know, a little bit covertly hostile or a little bit, you know, lower on the tone scale, like they coming at you, but you know what, I'm good, I'm free, like I don't have to deal with this anymore, right? And so it becomes this whole thing of I now can get free of anything.
Speaker 2:Because I know who I really am Exactly.
Speaker 1:That's right. That's right, exactly.
Speaker 2:This is, this is such a beautiful, a beautiful religious philosophy, because it really gives you the you, the power back of you. It gives you power of you.
Speaker 1:Right, it gives you a huge, long history of playing the video game in the physical universe, so to speak, and and your character gets killed and you respond and you're like, okay, I'm back in the game.
Speaker 2:And I can't beat it this time. I know, I know what to look for.
Speaker 1:Right, right, I mean, you know, that's quite literally. That's a great metaphor for it because, as a thing, you know, you, you, you, oh, I died, okay, respond, boom, back in the video game. The video game is the physical universe, it's. It is literally just like that.
Speaker 2:Now you're speaking to me on that because I am a gamer, I'm a PS5 and there is on right down Wait right. But I'll tell you this when you're really into the game hear me and understand the metaphor when you're really into the game and you're getting fired, you're making progress in your, your, your, this level of whatever you're on, and then you die. I have literally cursed at the TV. I've thrown the remote.
Speaker 1:I've seen those videos too, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that you slipped up and you fuck them and died.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But that's how it is in this, in this life, in this whole existence, as a spiritual being, I you get so good into the game and you're living this game and you're playing it out and you think you do it so well, boom, and car accident or truck or whatever.
Speaker 1:God damn it. Now I got to start all over again and go through that that warm tight tube and and you know the bright light and get spanked on the ass and you've done that billions of times.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, but. But what's so cool about it? Especially having this awareness of it and, like you said, this long history of knowing who you are and what you've been through, it gives you back your certainty. It gives you back the certainty of I can do this.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean? Yeah, there's a certainty.
Speaker 2:It gives you back that certainty of I can do this, I can win at this, even if it's to the degree where I feel like I am. I'm getting along quite nicely. And I think there's just kind of more. Most people are, you know, even listening to this podcast, you're like I just want to get along quite nicely with this. I just want to do my best. I want to, I want to feel good in my everyday goings and coming and goings, and that's what I believe that you regain with auditing. I'll say this ever since I've been auditing with ALGP, like I really feel like so many things that I've been wanting to accomplish and I'll say over the last number of years, maybe even before the shutdown and all that stuff, like so many things that I've wanted to accomplish I now feel and know that these things are being given back to me Right, like I'm getting back a mastery Perspective. Yeah, I'm getting back this perspective of I can. I can now have that, I can now do that.
Speaker 2:And it's because I've literally started to feel freer from my own mental mass, my own resistance.
Speaker 1:This is so good. Now this is a bit of a side rail on this. In L11, for example, you're dealing with, you're dealing with valences and things like that. What, how, how would you you correlate that in your experiences on valences, in doing L11, with this particular perspective based off of?
Speaker 2:the last few days. It's so crazy because, okay, this is so good, because valences, of course, is identities that one might assume or one might put on Right Like a think about, like a veil that you kind of put over yourself, right.
Speaker 2:And so you are who you truly are and yet sometimes we might have this valence or this I don't know identity or this veil that we've put on to kind of for many different reasons. Anyway, when you're auditing especially at some of the levels that we're doing now when you're auditing, you can literally peel back the layer and if you think about a bride this is just how it shows in my head walking down the aisle and the veil is over her face or whatever she can see Like I know, I know I can see through this, but it's still a little cloudy, it's still a little obfuscated, it's still a little covered Opaque.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And so there's times that you know like this ain't me, like how I'm feeling right now is not me. I don't feel like myself right now. I don't feel like I normally feel. I want to feel, and so you know when it's not you, unless you don't, because sometimes you don't. But the truth of the matter is, when you start doing this level of auditing is you're peeling back those layers, you're peeling back that veil and you become more and more clear in your knowingness and what you can see, what you can experience, what you can do, and the valence is literally like I get it. I get why I feel this way, I get why I'm in this situation, I get why I had to go through this, because I was putting myself in this identity that is not me, and there in lies the rub, as it were.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so would you say that no-transcript Past lives have been a part of L11 for you?
Speaker 2:Past lives are part of the diabetics. For me, after doing a full-time job as a diabetics like, literally, when you really get in and out after you run out prenatal, after you run out your birth- you know, what I mean.
Speaker 2:After you run out, like, okay, what else we got, what else is on the chain, you know what I mean. And so then you keep going, and I believe even in LRHs I think evolution of a science LRH talked about like, once you start to kind of get that person back to a good shape, you get to a place where like, oh wait, there's something back of this. You know there's something beyond even that. And so past lives for me started first hitting I think we talked about it in some other podcasts when I was in diabetics and continuing to go up the bridge even more.
Speaker 2:It becomes more and more clear how these things actually do impact a person, and for me, l11 has really, I think, knocked out swaths that's one of my favorite words. I go like swaths of stuff, swaths of mental mass, swaths of resistance. So much resistance on my own postulates, so much resistance on my own intentions. That was a bit when, recently, when we were in session. So much resistance on my own intention, like what is my intention as I am here doing this thing called life? What am I intending to do?
Speaker 2:You know, what I mean, what's my purpose. So this is really really good stuff and I really recommend anybody who is really serious about regaining their own stability, regaining their own certainty, like not being the adverse effect of your own junk, as it were get in some auditing, get in some heat.
Speaker 1:On a whole track level, on a whole track level On a whole track level.
Speaker 2:Listen, that time you fell off your bike. That didn't feel good, but boy, oh boy is there more.
Speaker 1:Right. So would you say that, in the context of interiorization and exteriorization, is it manifest to you on L11 how this interiorization and exteriorization thing is a reality?
Speaker 2:Oh, absolutely, like I said, just reading the reference that LRH wrote, like it made so much sense that, okay, I'm exterior and then something happens in your regular life, your real life, and you're like, damn, you know, you feel like you got knocked back down a peg or two, right, but when you're able to run the x rundown, when you're able to deal with your whole track and past lives and past deaths and past births and all this other stuff where you're kind of put in a situation where you're in it now boy, oh boy, does it make you feel more able as a being to be like I got it now. I got how I got in it, I got how I'm getting out of it and let's run it, let's go.
Speaker 1:Right. So since this is both interiorization and exteriorization and past lives and I didn't get to ask you this before we started the podcast do you have any good past life stories you might want to share it with our listeners, since the last past life one was such a big hit with our listeners and you didn't do it with me. I did that one with Jason. Okay, you got any good yarns?
Speaker 2:So let me tell you, okay, I've had some very interesting past lives and what I'll say to that, more so than anything, is I'm going to connect it to how it's been affecting me in this present experience. So just so you know, growing up as a kid I was like literally 98 pound weekly. I think I talked about this in another podcast. I didn't hit 100 pounds till I was in 10th grade. But I also was the nerdy kid that had like all the allergies and I had to carry around like tissues in my pocket, like the little packets of tissue thing in my pocket, and because I would have anything to kind of keep me in with allergies. So hear me, allergies. So my brother used to always get mad at me. This is my current lifetime. My brother used to always get mad at me because he would have to always cut the grass, because when I would cross out to cut the grass my allergies would kick in.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, me too.
Speaker 2:Boy, oh boy, grass allergies, if anybody has hay fever grass allergies that kind of crap. I could be driving down the street and if a neighbor was cutting grass, I would have to lift my windows up, turn on the air conditioner on full blast. I could not exactly I would have to protect myself. I would have a car condom for grass it was crazy.
Speaker 2:So anyway, doing auditing, getting my auditing in, and this past life experience pops up. So my otter says is there an earlier incident similar to this one or whatever? And I get taken back. I'm a gentleman on stage and I'm speaking in front of this whole group of people and I'm very animated about it. I'm like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And as I'm kind of going through the incident, the next thing I see is blackness. I'm like dude, unconscious, and as we continue to run this thing over and over and over again in auditing, In dynamics.
Speaker 2:This is dynamic, correct, correct, this is dynamic, turns out, I was a Jewish rabbi during the war, speaking against the regime that was in power at the time. You know whatever, speaking against the regime that was in power, and someone runs up on stage and knocks me in the back of the head with this piece of wood, knocks me unconscious, a group of people come and grab me, take me off the stage, throw me in the back of a trunk like a car, throw me in the back of a trunk or whatever this thing. I go to this location. They interrogate me, they pummel me, they drug me, they do all this crazy stuff and then they threw me out in this field, left for dead.
Speaker 2:And I tell you how clear this reality was. I was able to see the images of the people. I was able to recall certain words and phrases that they were using in a different language than what I natively speak in this lifetime. I was able to recall the things that they were saying to me. I was able to, when I was laying in the grass, like I was able to feel the grass on my face. I was able to feel the sun down on my neck. I could hear the buzzers or birds or whatever they were circling, you know, ready to eat, because it was a whole bunch of people in this field. And I expire, right, and all of a sudden, boom, I come out of like I'm in reverie or whatever. I'm in session and I wake up and I'm like this is where my fucking grass allergy comes from, like I'm face down in grass allergy breathing in the grass.
Speaker 2:It's not coming out my nose. You should have saw me in session. I was drooling and everything was just re-stimulating.
Speaker 1:Turned on yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was dramatizing all this stuff and I literally have never had a grass allergy attack since that day. Nope, I can run in the field with the kids, play softball or whatever, no problem, no problem. And that to me, exactly the allergy of grass. And I'm not saying that this is not diagnosing or whatever any other people's medical conditions or whatever. Do what you gotta do for you. I'm saying from my experience. My grass allergy was linked to me being a Jewish rabbi and getting attacked.
Speaker 1:Pfft, ha ha ha, ha ha, mm. It's really cool how that sort of thing happens. It's almost inexplicable that it could be something so simple yet so so well.
Speaker 2:So not simply was look at, that was a mix.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, from a technical standpoint, being in the grass and everything like that.
Speaker 2:A two hour session cleared it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, a two hour session cleared it and clearly it was an extremely unfortunate incident and experience and everything, with all due respect, but that's miraculous. It's just miraculous how dynetics works like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and so somebody. Because obviously, when people talk about, you know, dying and death and stuff like that, there's this, there's this idea that we have to mourn it or we have to whatever. And my father I think I talked about in his past podcast as well that my father was murdered. I was 13 years old and when I tell people this, the first response is, oh, I'm so sorry which I love that.
Speaker 2:Thank you for that. You know, vote of empathy or whatever it is, and I always say, oh, he's better. Now that's fine, he got better. I said, oh, he got better.
Speaker 1:Right, that's, that's. That's the reality of it. You know, it's that. It's that video game you know? Yeah, I got killed. Okay, now, now what game? Okay, respond, he's respond. You do want to play stray, or do you you? What do you want to do when play some other game? Okay, right, play that other game Right. Or you can stay out of the physical universe all together and watch the grass grow, if you want.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's such an interesting thing, you know, being a scientist and having this level of awareness about it. I think obviously, you know in other modalities and spiritualities there is some touching on it and you get some awareness of it on some other levels too. But I know for me this has been the most clear that I've been able to know myself, know my history as a being, my whole track experiences, and it's been revolutionary for my life, like the way I live it, the way I go about it. When things do come up and they do like shit happens in life, you know you dealing with a physical body and physical universe, but when it comes up I don't feel the same level of key. In that I think many other people who I talked to and experience sessions and stuff with feel because I just don't have that same charge there anymore.
Speaker 1:You know yeah, you get you cleaned out the garage and the storage facility of all of that that mental mass and you just look at it as, yeah, that happened, there's lots of lots of things that have happened and I am, you know, I'm unbiased on it and it's just something that happened and it's either good or it's bad at the time. But you know, in the big picture, this is part of the game that we play as a being in the, you know, imbuing ourselves in the physical universe through a meat puppet, a body.
Speaker 2:When LRH talks about the missed beginning in that reference that we're talking about in this conversation, he says that what has happened here as regards to exteriorization is that we have concentrated on exteriorization. If one is in something, he must have gotten into it. Therefore, the beginning of an exteriorization is the interiorization. The being went into something before he went out of it. Right and that, right there, that, just that, that whole section, that whole section really really open me up. It says exteriorization occurs at death. That's an ingram. Interiorization occurs at birth, that's an ingram. So when somebody goes exterior, he is actually liable to key in having gone interior in the first place. Get it. So that whole thing just freed me up a lot, just knowing this past lives, past births, past death, past incidents on those lines, being alive in those experiences.
Speaker 1:It's just good stuff. Yeah, in and out, in and out, in and out into the physical universe, out of the physical universe.
Speaker 2:And everything in between.
Speaker 1:And everything in between that that ultimately we we cause because we're moving things around in the physical universe and we're a little bit little land movers and modifiers and creators of both mental mass and physical universe mass. And well, you know, on the on the positive side, affinity, love, you know, granting of being this and all that stuff, and that's all part of the game of life is the emotional tone scale and using it to get desired results in the physical universe, either with the universe itself and or other beings in it with you. So where are we at?
Speaker 2:on time, roughly any idea Technically we, technically we have about five minutes.
Speaker 1:Okay, so you go ahead.
Speaker 2:But now I was just going to say, you know, I want to encourage for those of you who listen to these podcasts, definitely go back and listen to some of the earlier ones, go back and listen to some of the previous seasons. Kind of built up your arsenal, as it were, as somebody looking into independent Scientology, somebody who is looking into Scientology as a practice, somebody who wants to kind of get the first hand conversation with people who know what they're talking about you know I mean if you're researching this, or if this is something that, as independent Scientology like, what do I do with this?
Speaker 2:how does this even work? Right, it works when you work. It trust me.
Speaker 2:And so listen to some of the previous podcast. I definitely recommend the ones about the axioms and if you really go into that, those are really really good with when you guys did those earlier that I want to listen to. I really enjoy those. It gives you a basis for why Scientology the practice works and it gives you a basis for how you can start to free yourself on these tracks Once you, if you're getting to the end of this podcast and share this out. Share this with people who might have a similar interest. Some of these people who might have a similar curiosity.
Speaker 2:Yeah right, yeah, about what do they believe? What is that for real? Like, if this is something that you know you're into and you don't know if they're really into it, I can promise you, after really hearing these kinds of conversations, you know, I can promise you that people can be like oh, I've been through that, oh, I get that, oh, that resonates, whatever. And if they don't, that's fine too. You know what's true for you is true for you, but this is a really, really good start, I think. What do you think?
Speaker 1:Yeah, well it's. You need to understand the. You know the basics and the axioms, the two podcasters, the basis of independent Scientology, season five. We didn't finish going through all of those, but at some point Quentin and I will finish the scientific axioms and I'm sure we'll have a hoot talking about it. But it was one of those things that we did two of them and we'll do some more later on down the road, type of thing.
Speaker 1:Interesting, interesting to point these things out to people, because it's it's not so common common sense on this sort of a thing that you know you are a spiritual being that's been around for a really long time and you played a lot of games in a lot of places with a lot of people and you went into a body, you left the body, you went into a situation. You left the situation, you were forced into a situation, you were forced out. And this can really hang fire with people and they don't understand why. And I can say from personal experience there's two types of pain. There's physical pain, where you stub your toe or something on the edge of the couch or something, and that really hurts, you know, and there are lots of different levels of pain in a body. But to me and you could probably confirm this yourself, quentin to me there's a, there's a fatanic pain, and boy, that's worse. Boy, is that worse? And the type of pain, if you will and I put quotes around it because it's not pain physically, it's pain as a being, it's discomfort.
Speaker 1:It's sort of like putting your size 10 and a half foot in an eight size shoe and it's really really uncomfortable when you, when the interiorization and exteriorization are are keyed in or there's there's a lot of mental mass, that's ultimately, that's the bigger pictures. When you got a lot of mental mass going on here, it's really uncomfortable for a being. It'll make you cry, you'll be miserable, you won't want to go into places, go out of places and, yes, this is restimulative. Okay, I don't have any other way that I can describe this, except this is how this thing feels and until this gets remedied, I used to. I was crying my eyes out when I had out interiorization back in 1996, 97, 97, I think and I was just miserable and benevolent auditor took me in session and save my life. Save my life. It was only a matter of time.
Speaker 1:This, this thing, was so keyed in and if you're one of the people listening to this podcast and you have that kind of a feeling and you just feel like a size 10 and a half and a size H, you get in touch with us. We'll help you out, we'll get you in session, we'll get you a theta meter, we'll do remote auditing over over zoom. That's what we do 99% of the time. These days, all auditing is done and I haven't mentioned this in any podcast. I want to take a second to talk about this. Is we audit you over zoom? This is how how this goes. Is we? We send you a theta meter. We loan them out or you can buy your own takes longer to buy one, but we send you a theta meter, we get you on the computer, we get zoom installed, we get the theta meter app up and running and then we do a dfp interview. Director of processing interview.
Speaker 1:We do a white form to get all the data about your case and then we can program your folder and take you in session from the comfort of your own home on your computer at a time that is workable for you is so much easier and the efficacy of it is as good or better than what you could get from an auditor in the same room with you, wouldn't you agree?
Speaker 2:I can 100% agree with that. You know, it's interesting because LRH says, and and this is true and LRH says that change of environment can be therapeutic. Right, and being in my home, around my stuff, you know to be with my own comfortable chair that I have moded to my butt and you'll be in my own space, and it feels so much more therapeutic to me to be able to receive auditing from my own home and having a really skill order who can catch those things that show up on the meter, or, you know, being able to see me via zoom and can catch those things via zoom like what's going on to? What is that? You know, whatever, and Jonathan has done an amazing job, an amazing job.
Speaker 2:Thank you, yeah, at auditing me in two different countries.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're in the Philippines and I'm in South Africa.
Speaker 2:Yeah, two different parts of the world and yet I'm getting the amazing wins. And you go back and read going to college, go on the website and read some of my success stories. I'm getting amazing wins because this is the truth. You're, you're the thing, you're the PC right? The auditor is a facilitator, the order is a listener.
Speaker 1:And it is listening and and computing.
Speaker 2:Oh, what's going on there? What's that about? What's this about? The whatever case, maybe. So I'm the PC, I can be where I need to be. You know me and do what I need to do for me and get what I need to do for me. And if I have a really good auditor who has his TAs of his TR Zand, who is really really on point with what he's doing or she is doing, that's what you need, because you're the PC, you're the one that is going free, you're the one that's dealing with you. The auditor is just a component of that, a twin with that, and so I appreciate this type of auditing. It really has worked for me and I recommend that other people give it a try.
Speaker 1:And this is this is something that the corporate church does not do at all. We are the only ones that do this. So you can you can get auditing at home on your schedule, you can. You can book your sessions on our website and we'll show up on zoom. You'll have the link ahead of time. Your meter will be set up. We take control of your meter from from the end on your end of your computer and control the meter from there and we take you in session and we get you case gain and ultimately, towards and making you clear and OT from the comfort of your own home.
Speaker 1:Now, interestingly enough, we also have online courses that you can take on the College of independent Scientology all one word. College of independent Scientology dot com. That's our social media page where you can join individuals such as us as like minded individuals in a theta environment not like Facebook, no, and theta with talking about independent Scientology and, you know, being on a third dynamic. So it's it's, it's, it's not virtual. You can have a third dynamic and and share wins, talk about stuff, have conversations, listen to LRH lectures, you name it. So, getting touch with this, contact us, we'll get you in session, we'll get you on course, find some new friends. Common interests, common reality, arc, krc. So let's wrap this up for today. Quentin, thanks for being here. I really enjoyed this was a really, really fun one, and I'm sure a lot of people will enjoy the the experience. So for Quentin and I, will see you in the next podcast on Friday. Namaste and we love you.
Speaker 2:Peace.