Promise you this, by the end of this riveting episode, your understanding of life beyond the physical will be greatly enriched. Join us for an invigorating dialogue on how Theta, the infinite spiritual beingness, interacts with MEST, the physical universe of matter, energy, space, and time. We venture into the fascinating dynamics of Theta and Mest, unveiling how their collision breathes life and significance into matter. Prepare for an intellectual adventure as we draw parallels to the groundbreaking discoveries of Nikola Tesla and how it all relates back to the practice of auditing in Scientology.
We then dive into the depths of Theta's role in the world around us - from creating order and structure in objects to its implication in the process of plant decomposition. We reflect upon the idea that the control and organization of our surrounding chaos is a testament to our beingness. As we navigate this intricate discourse, we also touch on the highly subjective nature of beauty and how it is uniquely perceived by each individual.
As we wrap up this enlightening episode, we dissect the powerful concept that agreement can, quite literally, create our reality. We delve into how imagination, coupled with consensus, holds the key to shaping the physical universe and individual perceptions of reality. Stay tuned till the end as we explore the potential of Theta Meter Theory, the future of auditing over the internet. Get ready to be engrossed in this enlightening exploration of existence beyond our physical perception.
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Promise you this, by the end of this riveting episode, your understanding of life beyond the physical will be greatly enriched. Join us for an invigorating dialogue on how Theta, the infinite spiritual beingness, interacts with MEST, the physical universe of matter, energy, space, and time. We venture into the fascinating dynamics of Theta and Mest, unveiling how their collision breathes life and significance into matter. Prepare for an intellectual adventure as we draw parallels to the groundbreaking discoveries of Nikola Tesla and how it all relates back to the practice of auditing in Scientology.
We then dive into the depths of Theta's role in the world around us - from creating order and structure in objects to its implication in the process of plant decomposition. We reflect upon the idea that the control and organization of our surrounding chaos is a testament to our beingness. As we navigate this intricate discourse, we also touch on the highly subjective nature of beauty and how it is uniquely perceived by each individual.
As we wrap up this enlightening episode, we dissect the powerful concept that agreement can, quite literally, create our reality. We delve into how imagination, coupled with consensus, holds the key to shaping the physical universe and individual perceptions of reality. Stay tuned till the end as we explore the potential of Theta Meter Theory, the future of auditing over the internet. Get ready to be engrossed in this enlightening exploration of existence beyond our physical perception.
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Speaker 2:Hi everyone. This is Jonathan Burke, quentin Stroud with aio-gp Scientology outside of the Church podcast, new season, season seven, episode one. This one is entitled Theta, mest, matter, energy, space and Time Theory. So let's get the ball rolling here. With any luck, tomorrow we'll start doing video podcasts and tandem with the audio, so you can either listen and or watch us live on Facebook and YouTube and probably several other outlets as we ramp up to this next week Twitter, a lot of other places too. So get ready for a wild ride as we allow you, with our live podcast, to comment as we're doing the podcast. If you have questions, we can answer those questions, give you references, we can share screen and everything. So it'll be very interactive, be really cool. We tested it out this morning. It was a lot of fun. So back to Theta Mest theory. This is from the Universe Processes Congress. First question is what is Theta and Mest, quentin, would you?
Speaker 3:Absolutely so. For those of you who have been following us for quite some time, please go back and watch some of the other podcasts as well on YouTube. But what you hear is this that Theta, is you right, is you as a spiritual being? It's the Theta. We call it the Theta Universe. It is all that is spiritual, it is all that is operating as a being in existence, across existence, not finite in time, not finite in location, not finite in space, not finite in any way. It is infinite beingness. It is you being, you. That is Theta.
Speaker 3:And then we have the opposite of that right. We have the opposite of that which is Mest, m-e-s-t matter, energy, space and time. These are the component parts of the physical Universe. The physical Universe, the stuff that you touch, the stuff that you feel, the computer that I'm on right now, the chair I'm sitting in it consists of matter and energy in a certain space, at a certain time. That is Mest. And today, what we're going to really dive into is how Theta and Mest interact with each other, how Theta and Mest collide, if you will, and what happens when this happens in a good way and what happens when it happens in a bad way. So talk to me about this. If I'm a spiritual being, or that I am a spiritual being operating a physical body, that's a good thing, right? Isn't that supposed to work?
Speaker 2:Well, you know, that's why auditing works is because it's a two-terminal Universe. And when I say Universe, the physical Universe is a two-terminal Universe. The prime example of that is, while you can go as far back as Nikolai Tesla and everything like that, where he realized that you could use different terminals for things in order to conduct electricity and Mastret. And it's an interesting point that they don't know why electricity does what it does, they just know that it does in a two-terminal Universe.
Speaker 2:And in auditing, what we do is we have a little electrical current that goes through the electrodes on a Theta meter or an E meter, and the resistance to that electrical current is how we know that there is the presence, or lack thereof, of mental Mast and energy, which is matter, energy, space and time. And that's being created by the Theta, not the body. That's something different. We can get into that later on if you want to, but that's the deal. That's where this all comes from is you're interacting in the physical Universe as a Theta with a Mast body. That's important to point out as well, because the two-terminal Universe thing is well, there's a couple of two-terminal things going on here, actually a lot, but more on that later, right?
Speaker 3:Yeah, it is really interesting because when you understand yourself as separate and distinct, outside of time, outside of space, outside of matter, that you're not in your body and this you are, the best condition that we can be in is kind of around his own body or her own body, you can be in close proximity to your body, operating it, totally separate and exterior to it.
Speaker 3:It's kind of not that good if one is stuck in their meat right, if one is trapped in your own meat body.
Speaker 3:And so we, again, when we talk about if you go back and watch the podcast about exteriorization that one of the byproducts, if you will, of auditing is that a person might go exterior and they might be not trapped by their own meat body, right? Anyway. So when Theta, you beingness, collides with Mast, right, this gives Mast now activity, it gives Mast motion, it gives Mast something to do, something to, to, to, to work with, it gives Mast a way of existing, of having some kind of significance, right, because if you think about it, if you just have a lump of meat, if you just have a piece of piece of steak that sit there, that steak is not going to get up and move, that steak is not going to produce no milk. That steak is just going to be steak until life is imbued into it, right Into some kind of consciousness, some kind of awareness, of awareness unit is making it function Well and so, and you have to imbue Mast with Theta.
Speaker 2:And that's where this is. The entry point of the whole Theta Mast theory is you have to imbue, put Theta into matter, energy, space and time to make it alive. And this goes back to where we were talking about granting of beingness in the last podcast.
Speaker 1:Yes, so if you don't like.
Speaker 2:If you don't like something, it's not going to do. Well, you don't like a plant, that plant is Theta. There's Theta there. It would not be alive if it wasn't for Theta. Now there are different classes, or casts of Theta, if you will, that exist and they're all over the place in this universe. Eleorade says and I find this to be very, very true, but you can imbue anything with Theta, and it's interesting to note that when a human body dies, it loses somewhere in the neighborhood of an ounce to an ounce and a half of weight when the faton drops the body.
Speaker 1:This is proven?
Speaker 2:They don't have an answer for it outside of Scientology, independent Scientology, but it is true that this happens. So you're putting your finger into the body as a puppet and moving it around and everything on the play field of the matter energy, space and time universe in order to get it to animate, and without it it's ice cold. There's nothing there.
Speaker 3:Well and LRH talks about in the lecture on the universe processes Congress. Lrh talks about this particular process that you can do, where you put significance into things and you just like kind of look around the room, look around your life, look around the community or the wherever you're walking or whatever, and just put significance into it. No particular type of significance, just put significances into things and see how that changes your viewpoint on the matter. Right, we talked about viewpoints and all that stuff and the factors, how it changes your viewpoint on the matter, Because if you think about it per LRH, we actually tend to exist in a reverse flow.
Speaker 3:We tend to exist in a world where stuff is telling us what it is and the MEST is telling the being. Mest is telling theta what it is. This computer is telling me it's a computer and it bees that right, and it's a firmness in it, it's a solidity in it, it's a fixed idea that this is a computer, right. But if you really think about it, if you do this process and you put significance into things, you put choo choo, choo, choo choo, you put significance into these. What you'll find is is that you're actually telling the MEST that is a computer. You're telling the MEST that this is a wall and that becomes then. That becomes then the right way, if you will, the right flow, the proper flow of you as the being telling the physical universe what it's going to be. Period, how about that?
Speaker 2:Well, it's interesting to note that you know we've mentioned this in many podcasts that when somebody or something is creating MEST, they're putting it in there to get it to be what it needs to be. Whether it's the condo that you live in or the house that I live in or whatever is surrounding us, that there was, there was some sort of creation, there was some sort of attention put at all the the plants that I have here in the office around me. The plants are playing in their part, but there was also theta put into them to help them grow, to give them a place where they could grow, to the walls around us and everything. There's a create that's put there and that create is constant. Whether the people know it or not, there is a little bit of their theta that is being put into that thing and allowing it to have life and be extant.
Speaker 2:It's sort of a. Landlords know that a house that they own or an apartment that they own doesn't stick around very long unless there are people living in it, and that doesn't necessarily mean that they have to take care of it, but it's just the fact that there's theta in and around it that helps keep it standing, and that's an important point to make out is that you know whether, whether we're aware of it or not, we do it on a low level, but on a high level is what we're talking about is what are you putting into things, Are you, are you at cause over it or are you at effect over it?
Speaker 2:And are you going into agreement with it not working or going into agreement with it not being right, Correct Aesthetic, that sort of a thing? How do you feel in a house where the walls are a terrible color? You don't feel real good.
Speaker 3:Oh God, you know I live in the Philippines Right and they love testills here Right.
Speaker 2:So it's. It's one of those things where, once you start putting theta into something and putting a create on, it is to the degree that, well, it increases your tone level, as well as the matter of space and time around you, and that it has. That has to be done, otherwise, you know if, if nobody lived in New York City, the plants would take over before too long.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean, and they just start breaking everything down.
Speaker 3:Yeah, there's plenty of movies that show that.
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah yeah, and it's an important point, that on a low level the plants will do it. You don't even have to have a thing doing it. The you know, nature will find a way, type of a thing. But above that, is the way that we do it, we put a lot more order into things, whereas plants, they tend to just break things down to make life conducive for them, just like we do. It's just a different order of magnitude.
Speaker 3:A blade of grass popping up through the sidewalk.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:It'll move that sidewalk so it can live.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, I mean, you see that all over town in South Africa. You see these trees that have just popped up the sidewalk and the sidewalk isn't even usable anymore, these big, huge roots type of thing, and and you know, when you get into, like Florida, for example, they have to stay on top of that constantly because the plants are constantly trying to take over the city Because of the amount of water that they have, the amount of energy they're given by the sunlight and the water. As an example, we're sunlight and water, just on a greater scale.
Speaker 3:That's true. So, so if Mist is doing what mist do, and, as a thing, I get to come in and I get to organize that mess, I think it was to cause a conquest of mist, right, that we conquer this. We have a conquest of mess and we organize it, we reorganize it, we break it down, we build it up, we shift it around or whatever, to make it become what we need it to become, for whatever reason. So then it says theta, then is the solver, and mess. This is part of the mystery.
Speaker 3:Data is the solver, and then messed is the poser of problems, right? Whatever the barriers are, whatever, whatever the issues are oh, I got to use a hammer to make a sword Blacksmith, or I got to. I got to, you know, move big bodies of water around, to create dams and all this stuff, whatever. So so Mest is the poser of problems and theta you are the solver of problems, right? And so, as the solver of problems, you are the one who gets ideas. You're the one who gets ideas, you are the, the, the manufacturer of ideas, and these ideas. Then you utilize these ideas as a, as a, a metric for controlling your mess, to controlling the physical environment around you Right, and you just mentioned about the color paint the color of the walls to more aesthetically pleasing color, or hanging a piece of art or doing something that's going to bring that space to your vibration, bring that space to the level in which you choose to operate in.
Speaker 3:And conversely, it's the other way around, right. If you're functioning on a low level, if you're just barely surviving, if you're just kind of trying to make ends meet and trying to push things through, or whatever case may be, then your Mest might reflect that as well. Right, it's going to reflect that, that that level or that quality or that beingness.
Speaker 2:Well, you know and it comes back to considerations, or senior to the physical universe, from the axioms is that you have to what, what is beautiful to you. You know, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and it's also an axiom that if, if, if it's the way that you think that it is, that's survival, that's pro survival, or you move into a place and you're like man, this is, this isn't going to work. I got to get out of here because it isn't pro survival for you, whether it's aesthetics or whether it's functionality or its location, or safety or all of these things, or temperature. I mean we live, we live by the ocean and it's cold in the winter. It's much colder by the ocean in the winter than it is inland, by a mile or two miles. So you have to take these things into consideration too. That it isn't just aesthetics. Is that your consideration makes Mest the way that it is? It isn't. Mest makes itself the way that it is, and you have to change your consideration, your senior, to that.
Speaker 3:Right, that's amazing Because it could happen. It could happen that you get into the Mest valence, right, you start to identify as a body.
Speaker 3:Right, you get into agreement with it, you start to identify as a body. We're just a lump of mud or whatever that. What is it? The mud theory, man from mud theory? Yeah, this idea that you're just mud that has somehow gained some awareness or sentience or whatever case may be. And that's actually not the case, right, that you are theta. You are a spiritual being. You are a theta and you are animating these cells and molecules and proteins and muscles and enzymes and tissues and making them all function.
Speaker 3:Now, the more we agree with the idea of physicality, the more we agree with the Mest idea that you are a piece of meat or piece of mud. The more you come into agreement with that, the more problems get this. The more problems you actually have to conquer, the more problems you have to deal with, because you then become the problem. You identify with the problem. You're causing your own problems. You're creating your own game in the body, in your life. With the car, with the tires oh my God, I got to get the tires replaced. I don't know why. I just changed them four months ago. You know, stuff starts happening, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. And you see people that are sick, they're in agreement with it, oh my this and oh my that, and the body is not working. This, this, this and this, and you just you mean you immediately get the impression they are their body, whereas you get somebody who's healthy and they're in their 60s or 70s and they're not having any body problems. You go, wow, this is a market difference between these two individuals who are roughly the same age. What is that difference? Well, one thinks they're a body and the other one doesn't, because that, what you put your attention on, is what you get. And that's important about the Theta-Mess theory is if you're putting your attention on something, why are you putting your attention on it? Are you senior or junior to that thing? And it will present itself if you don't go into agreement with the complexities of the mass universe.
Speaker 3:And that goes back to what we said the other day about sweeping attention.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Thanks to having sweeping attention Right, whereas, like, don't be so fixated on the thing, would there be money? I was talking to a client actually earlier today. Wow, I was talking to a client earlier today and she could not get to the solution that she wanted because she was so fixated on the money. And I'm like you're focusing too much on the money. There's something so much bigger than that. There's an experience of life beyond just that, and so I want you to have this greater experience of life and love and experiences and the whole bit.
Speaker 3:But you can't even do that because you so focused about the money. Your whole marriage is falling apart, but you worried about, you know, the money. But how are we going? How do we? Can't do this, we can't do that. We can. He didn't take me out, he don't even take me to where, no more, you know, whatever, whatever. And it's like, could you do it at home? Could you have a wonderful romantic experience at home? Could you go out in the backyard and have a little picnic or something like that? You know what I'm saying. Like, could you walk to a free park? Like self-fixed on the money?
Speaker 2:That's an important point too is I'm going to say it's an important point is what are your importances in MEST? Yeah, what's important when it's done or how it's done and by whom? That's really what's important, because if your importances are MEST, well then your importances are going to be much, much different in what you're having as the focal point of it. Is it who you're with or where you are? It was at an expensive restaurant or was it with a person I love Now?
Speaker 2:you know, there's something to be said for you know, a balance of those things, but it should be about it. And, like Eleanor, it says, in auditing, all we're concerned with is terminals, terminals, terminals, terminals, terminals. That's the important thing, because that's where this two terminal interchange occurs and this is where people get hung up on things is that they think they're MEST. That's why auditing works. Once you go clear, you don't think you're MEST, you're not your body, you run a body and then you're free of the physical universe. That's why clear is so important is to get the person to realize they are not their body, because at clear, you've gotten the person to a point to where they realize they are not their body, they are not in agreement with the physical universe and they don't get pushed around by it so much. So it's more important who you're with and who you're interchanging with than it is where you're interchanging at, if that makes sense.
Speaker 3:That's right. Well, I love how you said am I there at this expensive restaurant or am I there with the person I love? What is the focal point of my awareness, of my attention, of my viewpoint? Like I'm there with the person I love, oh, this is a nice place, yeah, but I was, so I couldn't. You were gazing into each other's eyes the entire time. It's like the whole world, you know, melted away and it's us, you know, doing our thing or whatever that's.
Speaker 3:That's the kind of experience you want in love, right, that's the kind of experience you want with this.
Speaker 3:You want to be so enamored, so interested in someone we talked about being interested personally, interesting, so interested in your partner, both, both directions right, both to both terminals, that the rest of the physical world really is just a byproduct of this love, of what we've created together, what we're building together with the empire that we're creating in the life that we're creating. That's how it is. It's interesting because it says here in the, in the lecture he said the theta mess theory consisted of this that theta could get itself into a series of postulates or confusions here which would solidify and that is the material universe. That actually is what created it, life, itself created by a series of agreements. So this thing, this thing has been created. This physical universe, this, this condo that I'm sitting in right now, was created by a series of agreements, okay, From the architect to the builders, to the contractors, to the construction workers, to the bricks and whatever else is going on. It was a series of agreements that all pulled together and created this space, right, this thing that I'm operating.
Speaker 2:But, yeah.
Speaker 3:But now it's interesting, he said but here's the whole anatomy as it comes out in terms of agreement. Actually, it comes out in terms of imagination. This is good. Theta mess theory, right, that life creates nest. Right, Life creates this thing. Right With ideas. What then? He says that it really is.
Speaker 3:It comes out in terms of imagination and individual can postulate reality. He can say it's real and it's real. Nobody has to agree with him, he doesn't even have to agree with himself. But when to have agreed? Right. And, by the way, it talks about the book of Matthew where he says in the book of Matthew, when two people agree, why something comes true? Well, that's what we mean by the physical universe truth. When two or more gather, when two or more agree. There it is right. Now you can create your universe on your own, just out of pure imagination, pure postulate, right, you can create a universe of your own, you can create a life of your own. But when two or three are gathered, where two or more agree, when people can come into agreement with that, that's where it gets real fun, because now you get to play around with your creations, with the rest of the world, with other people, with your family, with your friends or whatever your universe is, you get to play around with it. That's when it becomes fun.
Speaker 2:Yeah, when you get that interaction, it's. It's one of those things where, if you think of a moment in your life where something was really magical, well the magical part, the feeling that you have about that, is your created perception, your feeling, your emotion of it. It wasn't that it was magical per se, it was magical for you. And then when you do that with other people and you have this agreement of magical magical, magical magical, then it's, then it's a whole new level of magical because you have this agreement, you have this universe of magical and you know you've heard that, you've heard that expression you can never go home and you go back to some place where you used to live, that you were fond about or whatever.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah. And you look at it and you go. This is the label, yeah.
Speaker 2:It's like that in Gross Point Blank with John Cusack. He goes back to his old home and now it's a convenience store, a house converted into a convenience store.
Speaker 3:You know, this is the magic just isn't there anymore.
Speaker 2:Well, you know, for one it's not the same thing. But the thing is, it's the same thing when there's agreement there, when mom and dad, brother and sister and your dogs and all that stuff, and it's never quite the same again, because you can't get that same agreement in the physical universe, because the yeah.
Speaker 2:And this is a really important point I want to make. This just dawned on me. You've heard that you know two ships passing in the night, type of a thing, and we're talking about your magic and how you feel about things. What you're looking at is the entire physical universe, like we've talked about before, is a big clockwork.
Speaker 2:And certain things are in certain places and if you hadn't met so and so at a certain time on you know, a certain platform like Facebook, you hadn't run into them at the grocery store and they just happened to go there because they ran out of milk and you met the love of your life and they're your soulmate and all this stuff. It's a clockwork. Why is it a clockwork? It's a clockwork because to a certain degree, it's chaos, it's chaotic, until you walk in and you say, okay and I think this will paint the picture for people how theta changes mess. When you start putting control in, you meet somebody that is your item and you're like, wow, I love this gal or girl. Okay, and while you're putting control into it, it's no longer chaos.
Speaker 2:And hey, you want to go out tonight and you start putting order in and then you start living together and then you get married and you start buying a house and you put all this create there. You're putting that create in the physical universe. Otherwise, the physical universe is just kind of knocking you around and you're down a couple levels lower and you're at the effect of it. It's when you put that create there and you go, wow, this is really magical, that it is magical or it is horrible, or it's a nightmare, or it's a train wreck, that type of a thing, because you decide that it's that way. That's all there is to it. It's that consideration that it's magical, or that it's a train wreck, or it's awful, that is messed. Remember we were talking about symbols and everything and you're looking into physical universe and all of these symbols remind you of magical or awful. Right, because you can't do it to me.
Speaker 3:Exactly. It's interesting because when you talked about agreement as well, and like all these people coming together to agree it, when I teach on magic and the whole bit, I teach that there's something called a glamour, and the glamour literally says this is to create an illusion so real as to convince all onlookers of his, of his reality, of it being real. To create an illusion, so it's called a glamour. And so when you can create an illusion so real that it convinces all onlookers that it is, this is where you see, if you see movies and you'll see a witch might change her form or transfiguration or whatever, it's a glamour. Right, it's just an illusion so real that, oh, wow, that's so beautiful but really it's all crone or something like that. Right, it's like it's a glamour. But what's interesting about this, too, is this LRH says it this way he said that you get people to kind of come into this agreement. Right, so a fellow can imagine a reality After he's imagined one. If a lot of people agreed with it and so forth, it can bring about a fixed reality. If an awful lot of people have agreed with it, then he feels it will be a big liability to change it. Hear me, this is big If you've created a reality, right. If you've come up with this reality. It could be a diagnosis, it could be a gimp leg, it could be a whatever Right. If you've created this reality for yourself and people have come into agreement with it.
Speaker 3:Oh, poor Jimmy, you know, oh, you know, he's always had that little gimp leg, you know. Or poor Mary, she's always, you know, she's had this diagnosis or something that's going on with her. And they give you all this agreement and all this sympathy and all this stuff. You know, you, actually it says that they actually feels there would be a big liability to change it, because so many people see it, so many people know about it, so many people agree with it, so many people have sent you so much sympathy about your diagnosis, you know, and it's so sad, and you actually feel it would be a liability to change it. And so we have an unwillingness to change certain things. Right, we have this unwilling because I can't change that now. They've given me so much sympathy around it. Oh, no, I'm better now.
Speaker 2:Oh good, it's that successful action of being interesting in a negative light. I can't change that successful action of this because then I won't get attention. If I don't have this problem, I don't have anything. Yeah, I mean, that's what reality TV is.
Speaker 3:Oh, my gosh, and that's what the whole medical, that's what I at least the western medicine medical thing is that you got so much agreed upon reality that this thing cannot be curious, incurable or whatever, whatever. Oh, but if you take this pill, you know you'll be fine, like it's this agreed upon reality. And with this agreed upon reality, if they just oh, no, it's better, but we don't have to deal with that anymore, it's cured, right? Where's the money, right? Where's the industry? Where's the flow from this? No, we could cure this, but no, let's just keep it in there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's no care, because people would lose their jobs. Yeah.
Speaker 3:There'd be a liability if we cured it. People would lose their jobs and people wouldn't be able to support their families and how the kids don't eat and get it. It's so funny.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and if you had a person that built houses and they did that, they wouldn't be building houses very long.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 2:You know that guy. He doesn't build very good houses, so why is it any different there that people would bought into this consideration? Yeah, you know, if you can't, if you can't cure me, well, it's all a mystery. We don't know everything about the human body yet. Horset, oh god Horset, you just give them drugs to cover it up and then make them feel like that there's something there we don't quite yet understand. It's beyond our medical knowledge. And then LRH comes along and the AMA wants to shut him down because Dynetics works too well.
Speaker 3:See, and your eyesight gets corrected or your rheumatoid arthritis gets sorted out or whatever, whatever, and it's like wait, that was it yeah. I just have to go in and deal with what.
Speaker 2:Right. All sickness is PTSD. So you know that's somebody is there being interesting instead of interested, and that's the whole idea. And this is what later on developed into that Theta-Mest theory, developed into that is interested or interesting. So if you're interested in Mest and you imbue it with Theta, you're at cause. If Mest is interesting to you, you tend to go into agreement with it. And this also shows up when you know they say that it's not the attainment of it, it's the journey to it. And that's really important. Because what's at the end of it, mest? If you're in the physical universe, the attainment is all the problems of being in Theta, qualities and everything. That's where the quote unquote magic happens is all of the things that we had to go through to get to this. And then you get it and you get your Maserati in the driveway and you go. Hmm, not quite how I imagined it, it's a little thin.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 2:And that's the funny thing about Mest. He says when you get up, get up onto the OT levels and this is so true you start to look at the physical universe and it starts to seem like a movie set where there's only a facade and you look behind it, it's a bunch of two by fours propping up a single wall type of a thing. It's just not nearly as real, right, once you have that understanding of it, you don't go the adverse effect. I was just in the kitchen earlier cussing out a container on how slow it was pouring out of the container, because this time thing and how slow the physical universe is on getting things done. And in the 30 universe it's instantaneous. And you just know you have to drop down and you have to wait for it to pour out and you have to scrape it out of the can and make sure you got everything out.
Speaker 2:You go rinse the can out of the bugs, don't get it in the trash. Put it in the trash. You know and you're just like, oh my God Right, there's all this, you know contrivence, stuff going on. That you, you know, you just, and you just have to admire it and just look at it. But you have. That's where this whole thing about under overestimation of effort is the only way you can be wrong. Well, physical universe is pretty darn slow, so you better get used to it and admire the living daylights out of it, because if you don't admire it, you're the effect of it.
Speaker 3:Well, and I think that we've gotten, you know, as the data mystery goes, I think we've gotten a pretty substantial conquest of the Miss Universe to the degree that we have. And yet there's more. And yet there's space, there's other planets, there's other energies that we didn't even discover, yet there's other, you know, whatever, whatever that we can't even detect with our naked eye or with our own limited perceptics. It's like. It's like there's so much more.
Speaker 3:And I think LRH says it this way. He says as he gives it, gets ready to close out the lecture. He says all we're interested in here is just an observable increase in the ability of life to live in this universe or escape there from. That's all we're after. And we find out by getting an individual to change his conclusions, his considerations, changing his mind, in other words about the condition of affairs, without liability or consequence as far as the body he uses word somatics, but as far as the body are concerned, and anything like that, if he can just freely change his mind from a sick man, he can become a well man. It's as simple as that.
Speaker 2:And that's what auditing does changes their mind.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Changes the mind, changes the considerations, changes these agreements that you made, changes these viewpoints and you get to a place where I now no longer have to think along that line, Boy. I will tell you when I in auditing session, when I'm getting my auditing, it is phenomenal. The stuff that I can change my mind on, the stuff that I see I'm like why did I think like that? And I'll just crack up laughing. My last session I laughed so long.
Speaker 3:It was so funny. It was so funny just to think about why I thought like that and it was just ridiculous when you think about it. But now it's like, yeah, I don't have to agree with that thought anymore, I don't have to be that anymore. This is what auditing does for us. So I think this is fantastic. The Theta Mesa Theory please look into it. Get in a class, get in a course. Go to the college and get on a course. Get into some of this stuff where you can dive into the deeper things of life and you can start to see beyond the veil, as it were. We just talked about the parasite and technology stuff. See beyond the veil of who you really are and what this is. I think this is fantastic stuff and I hope we get to continue bringing more and more to you.
Speaker 2:Well, I've enjoyed this podcast too. We're going to close it out here with a little reminder that you can get on course. You can get auditing over the internet remotely using a Theta Meter, thanks to Mikhail and his wonderful device that actually responds better than a church's Mark 7 or Mark 8 shows up ends better. We can get you in session, we can get you on course. We can introduce you to the Theta Mesa Theory, get you checked out on it. We're clearing you, name it, we've got it. Come check out our YouTube channel. Subscribe, sign up for notifications. We're going to start doing video podcasts here, probably tomorrow or Monday, and that'll bring in a lot more interaction where you can ask questions live and have some interaction here instead of a one way flow. We're really looking forward to that. So comment and share this video, these podcasts, all this good stuff that we're doing here. In the next couple of weeks we're really ramping up to have a lot more flow through and interaction with everybody. So we appreciate you being here, we love you and Namaste.
Speaker 3:Peace.