Prepare to unravel the mysteries of Scientology as Quentin Stroud and I lead you on a fascinating journey through our personal experiences in this revolutionary practice. Offering a unique vantage point, we shed light on how Scientology has dramatically shaped our lives, relationships, and businesses. We even delve into the pivotal court case in Europe that led to the release of the OT levels, recounting how we've harnessed this to enrich the lives of others. As independent practitioners, we proudly offer services that are unparalleled in the global Scientology community.
Our conversation meanders through the intriguing concept of auditing and its role in unveiling a person's case on the Scientology grade chart. We explain why comprehending this chart is crucial, and why one must patiently prepare as an auditor before venturing into upper level materials. We stress the importance of addressing lower-level issues like fears, anxieties, and traumas before advancing to upper-level ones. We also demystify the concept of expanded grades in Scientology, discussing key outs, rehabilitation of grades, and the evolution of awareness as one ascends the bridge.
In the final leg of our discussion, we embrace a bold vision for the future of Scientology, including the creation of an island retreat dedicated to delivering the practice. This idea echoes the early days of the Flag Service Organization before it was taken over. To turn this dream into reality requires collaboration and we invite you to join us in this endeavor. As always, your thoughts, comments, and insights are invaluable to us on this extraordinary journey.
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Prepare to unravel the mysteries of Scientology as Quentin Stroud and I lead you on a fascinating journey through our personal experiences in this revolutionary practice. Offering a unique vantage point, we shed light on how Scientology has dramatically shaped our lives, relationships, and businesses. We even delve into the pivotal court case in Europe that led to the release of the OT levels, recounting how we've harnessed this to enrich the lives of others. As independent practitioners, we proudly offer services that are unparalleled in the global Scientology community.
Our conversation meanders through the intriguing concept of auditing and its role in unveiling a person's case on the Scientology grade chart. We explain why comprehending this chart is crucial, and why one must patiently prepare as an auditor before venturing into upper level materials. We stress the importance of addressing lower-level issues like fears, anxieties, and traumas before advancing to upper-level ones. We also demystify the concept of expanded grades in Scientology, discussing key outs, rehabilitation of grades, and the evolution of awareness as one ascends the bridge.
In the final leg of our discussion, we embrace a bold vision for the future of Scientology, including the creation of an island retreat dedicated to delivering the practice. This idea echoes the early days of the Flag Service Organization before it was taken over. To turn this dream into reality requires collaboration and we invite you to join us in this endeavor. As always, your thoughts, comments, and insights are invaluable to us on this extraordinary journey.
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Speaker 2:Hi and welcome to another AOGP Outside of the Church podcast. This is season 7, episode 3, beginning of November 2023. We've had some comments, requests for a little bit more context on things that were. I guess that'd be the best word wouldn't it?
Speaker 3:Quentin Context.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because we're getting people, especially on our YouTube channel, that aren't familiar with Scientology or Independent Scientology and we're assuming that people know things when they don't. So we're going to take the time to do a podcast called Full Disclosure. This will be controversial within the realm of Independent Scientology and especially controversial within the realm of the Church of Scientology, the corporate entity. We make no apologies here in this podcast, just for the fact that, well, around about 1995, the cat was let out of the bag as far as what the OT levels were about, what they deal with. Well, just its content and its entirety. And it's good to point out that we're really, really lucky that the material on the OT levels we took lemons and we made lemonade out of them. What happened is and I'm going to get into this here real quick and then we're going to introduce each other what happened is sorry. I got to say this.
Speaker 2:I started it that the upper levels ended up in a court case in Europe, and so now we have the OT levels, otherwise we wouldn't have them. So we're going to get into that in Full Disclosure, but first I'd like to introduce Quentin Stroud. Quentin, tell us a little bit about yourself.
Speaker 3:Absolutely Well. First of all, I have been privileged enough to be a part of these conversations on ARGP and the podcast. I've been able to do this for about a month and a half two months now. So you can go back on YouTube and look at a lot of other previous conversations that Jonathan and I have been taking advantage of. And for me, my background started back in 2002 with Scientology. I discovered Scientology in Minneapolis, minnesota, and was able to go in and I talk a little bit about my story through some of the other podcasts, but if you've never seen this before, then you'll know more about it.
Speaker 3:Discover Scientology back in 2002.
Speaker 3:Prior to that, I was Christian Jehovah's Witness the best one I could knock a door down, you hear me.
Speaker 3:And when I left the Witness movement and decided to kind of study more broadly my spirituality, I became a seminary and studied biblical theology and Christology and moved on and on and that's when I discovered Scientology in 2002.
Speaker 3:From there, my career in Scientology has just grown and grown and grown and I use it pretty much in every aspect of my life at this point just because it works so well for me and it's helped me heal my body in multiple ways, has helped me to fix and grow my businesses plural, my income is part of that as well and it's helped me to help my friends a lot, which has been a big deal for me, because there's a lot of people who rely on me for the work that I do. It's just allowed me to help my friends a lot because I now know what I'm talking about and I know how to utilize it in a way that's process-oriented, not just intuitive, and while both of them have their advantages, I definitely love the practical, the hands-on application, as well as the intuitive, spiritual side of things. So this has been my time in Scientology and I've absolutely loved it, so I'm glad to be able to share it with you guys.
Speaker 2:And we're very happy to have you here. Yes, backstory. Well, let's see how far do we want to go back. I got into Scientology this lifetime thanks to my father. He did his auditor training, his academy levels. In the early 70s we moved to California where he could finish his training, move back to the Midwest. Back out to California he got trained as a class six. Finished the check sheet within one or two items, decided things were getting strange with the church. We moved back to the Midwest.
Speaker 2:I joined staff in Kansas City, the Kansas City, oregon, december of 1987. Went to Flag. Got my auditor training. Came back, was on staff for roughly a year and a half. Two years routed out. Had a free-loader's debt. Got the free-loader's debt paid off in 1998, two years after Golden Age of Tech. Got back into the church once the free-loader's debt was paid. Did a few courses at Tampa, oregon. Realized that things had gone much further to the left than I was comfortable with. A friend of mine introduced me to a couple of websites that gave a lot of time place for him at an event. One of them was the SciRestology site. I decided it was time for me to leave. Went clear with Pierre E Thier in Newmarket or Toronto In 2005,.
Speaker 2:Did all of my OT levels outside of the church, did the rest of my auditor training outside of the church and started AOGP in 2011 in Minnesota. We've been going ever since. We have a slew of public, lots of PCs, online course room. We do the remote auditing, all that stuff. We're the only organization on the planet that does everything that we do and we're really, really proud of it. That's a little bit of my backstory. I was also in Scientology last lifetime. Found out shortly after I got out of the church. Got that verified. Yes, folks, it is true, there are past lives. Yes, you can be a past life Scientologist. We have a lot of people that approach us who are past life Scientologists more and more every day. We don't mention it to them, but if they mention it to us and it reads on the meter, well, we'll get you cleaned up and get you going from where you left off at. That's what we do is we make Scientologists and recover past life Scientologists. Your audio went out.
Speaker 3:I'm going to be honest with you. I talk about past lives a lot because for me it's a part of the course, it's a part of the story, it's a part of the experience and you get a fuller understanding of me by understanding some of the stuff that I went through, been through, lived through and come out of. I do talk about my past life. If you guys have any questions, I will freely share them.
Speaker 2:Well, that brings everybody up to speed on our collective tracks in Scientology in and outside of the church. Let's get on with the full disclosure aspect of the whole thing. I'm sure everybody is aware that these materials are out there. I do not recommend you looking at the materials on the internet for the upper levels. It is something that I have to deal with as an auditor. About 95% of the time causes trouble for people's cases if you're not ready for it, however. However, it is the 800-pound gorilla or the 800-pound elephant that's in the room, and we would like to clarify some of these things instead of learning it from South Park places like that, as you referenced earlier. It's a curious thing, and we'll also talk about the L's a little bit as well and what they do. The whole idea is, if you go back to the milestone, one lectures back in 52, which you can find on our SoundCloud account you can listen to those lectures, and this is where LRH first ran across this entity's thing. This is right after the emeter was introduced from Matheson, the guy that developed it for Ron, that data really wasn't approached again until the mid to late 1960s Because there were lots of other ways that Elevator was trying to come up with things to clear and things like that. What you're doing on the grade chart is you're auditing a person generally. You're trying to increase their awareness by relieving them of this mental mass, this bypass charge, the charge bypass charges charge that is on the person's case Feel free to jump in whenever you want to. Yeah, this bypass charge is the charge on the case that shows up on the meter, and this charge is approached from a viewpoint of collectively or generally. When one starts getting auditing whether it's a Dianetics Bucone Auditing same thing or if you get metered auditing in session on a Scientology session the difference, the differences and this is how this came up this morning in a conversation with a person that's receiving auditing with us is you're dealing with it from a collective standpoint. You're not looking at it from where it's coming from, you're just looking at it from a standpoint of that it is, and this is the difference between clear and OT, Because what you're doing is you're raising the person's awareness on the grade chart with life repair, purification, rundown, scientology, drug rundown, arc, straight wire these are all different grades that handle different things.
Speaker 2:On the Scientology grade chart. We have other podcasts where we talk about these, but not from this particular aspect, and I wanted to address it so that it was on record and people could understand it. Now, as far as this data that came out on the internet in 1995, there was the big hullabaloo where computers were taken over and all this stuff by the church and they were trying to prevent the propagation of this material while it was already too late. Obviously, because it's available Again, I don't recommend you reading it. However, it's a really good to get an understanding of this because hopefully you'll listen to this podcast instead of look at the materials and be happy with it.
Speaker 2:I personally did not look at any of the upper level materials until I was ready for it as an auditor. I understood why that was important. And listen to this podcast, get a better understanding of it. Leave it at that. It'll be a lot easier for you and it won't cause problems Doesn't always cause problems for people, but for some people it does. So what you're doing is you're auditing people generally on the lower end of the grade chart.
Speaker 3:The lower levels yeah.
Speaker 2:Right being the different things that need to be handled drugs, recall. You're doing a little bit of the Dianetics theory with ARC StraightWire because you're undoing locks with ARC StraightWire, you're unburdening the case, you're taking this charge off of the case so the person's awareness becomes better so that they can be audited. Now, at the same time, what you're doing here in Pierre, the class 12 that passed away in December once told me he said you can't explain away the lower end of the Scientology grade chart or the lower levels of auditing with the upper bridge. And that is very, very true, because you're not aware of this stuff yet. Most people aren't. Right Now, this is important because cheating whether you're cheating in a relationship, you're cheating at school, cheating is cheating period, that's all there is to it. So you're not gonna get the amount of gains out of Scientology if you're cheating.
Speaker 2:And there's no way to get around it. If the charge, if you haven't had the gains, you don't have the gains. And if you do have the gains, well, you're gonna get everything you can out of it. So why would you cheat? So consider it cheating and to take yourself in session and get yourself a Theta meter or something like that bad idea, really bad idea. Okay, you're up against something you're not going to be able to handle. I promise you. I have people contact me all the time to do that sort of thing and it's a real mess to untangle. Don't do it. That's just my recommendation. Of course, free will is free will and you can do whatever you want, but my recommendation is don't do it.
Speaker 2:Get auditing, and if you can't afford auditing, do a co-audit. We can set you up with a co-audit and you can learn how to audit somebody else. Like Quentin did I mean 400 plus hours of book one auditing, and your case is in remarkable shape from 400 hours of book one auditing. It takes time, but boy, the gains are there. I mean you've Good morning, morning, france. You're getting the most gains you possibly can and this is a testament to this. You're getting the most gains you possibly can, because you set your case up right Right For this.
Speaker 3:Can I yeah, go ahead, go ahead, finish your flow.
Speaker 2:Well, I just wanted to say you, as an example, is a perfect example of how a person can be set up with book one, just book one, and I mean you've done other things and of course they all compliment that, but being set up for it, right is the point. And you're an absolutely great example of that.
Speaker 3:Oh well, absolutely Thank you for that. What I was gonna say was is that and the idea of walking or crawling before you walk and walking before you run is apropos, I think, here, Because when you're doing, when you first come into independent Scientology and you really wanna start to make some headway, dealing with stresses, dealing with traumas, dealing with just the need for change happening in your life right, I need my life to change that's where most people come in in Scientology Like I need to make some changes in my life Fears, anxieties, traumas and things like that that really hurt a person's livingness, Like your everyday life that's where most people actually need to help, need to help. If you don't handle those lower level issues, the upper level is totally not gonna be available to you, because you're still dealing with the lower level stuff. You're still dealing with the sticks and stones that break your bones, so to speak. You're still dealing with all that stuff, let alone what's happening to you on a spiritual level, Let alone what's happened to you on a more theta level, a soulful level, and so, coming into this right now it's the first time you're hearing this definitely contact us, definitely get auditing, definitely start your journey towards self-discovery and what you'll realize is this really is self-discovery Nobody's telling you what to believe, Nobody's telling you what you have to think or whatever.
Speaker 3:Whatever is true for you is true for you, and you get to move through your process at your own gradient.
Speaker 2:So I just want to say that yeah, and that's very true, and it's important thing about Scientology Auditing as opposed to other psychotherapies, where, well, the key things that you see in psychotherapy- are evaluation and invalidation.
Speaker 2:So you're getting the input of somebody else that doesn't really hasn't walked a mile in your shoes and that doesn't help. And those are two of the most important points of the auditor's code is evaluation and invalidation. Don't happen in an auditing session. We're not telling you what to think. Basically, what Hubbard's doing is he's got this path that he's taped out with these different processes and he's getting you to take a look at things.
Speaker 2:And this is really what the expanded grades are and my dad pointed this out to me when I was a kid, and it's true. The grades are all about communication problem, help over some withholds, things you've done to others, others have done to you, your change, your ARC breaks, upsets that you have with people, service, facsimiles, things you use to make yourself right and other people wrong. All of these things on the grades are about you changing your mind. I don't do it. You do it as an auditor. Quentin doesn't do it, you do it. This is something you look at and you change your mind about these things. Now you have anything you wanna add there?
Speaker 3:No, no, go ahead. I wanna say something in a second, but go ahead.
Speaker 2:Now the important thing is with Scientology, auditing, you're looking at a release which is a series of key outs. It's the same concept in Dianetics of a Person and Engram is keyed out, it's pushed out to where it isn't affecting the person, or the secondary, or the lock. It isn't affecting the person. So these are the two of the similar concepts.
Speaker 2:In Dianetics and Scientology, the grades are a series of key outs. So you're going out and you're going out, and you're going out and you're going out and you're getting this mass further away, disconnecting you from the reactive mind. Now, that is not to say that that can't come back in, because life can kick you in the ass and your grades, with all that auditing, can be brought back in and keyed back in. But the neat thing, the neat thing is you can rehabilitate those grades by getting the person to spot where it is that they had that realization, and when you do that, it keys back out. That's why it's a key in or a key out. Okay, right Now, with Dianetics you're dealing with and this all ties into the OT levels and we'll get there in a minute Do you want to add something before I move on to the next thing?
Speaker 3:Okay, okay, yes, so I'm more like I see things right, I'm a visual thinker or whatever, if that makes sense, but let me just say it this way. So I see it kind of like this. I see it like this, where you're coming in at the bottom of the funnel or whatever, the bottom of the pyramid, and you're kind of walking your way up to a more expanded awareness, right, so if your awareness is here and at the bottom and it's so, solid.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's an upside down pyramid.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know what I mean. And it's so fixed, it's so solid and you can't really see the forest for the trees and all this stuff, this or whatever it's like. You don't really see what's going on beyond your own stuff, if that makes sense. And as you move up right, as you move up the bridge, you're opening up your way. So the grades open up your ability to communicate. It opens up your ability not to be the effect of problems and stuff that's going on. It gets all this stuff off of you so that you can be free to see and perceive and experience higher levels of awareness. And that's what it looks like to me right Now. At the same time, right when you get to the top, you kind of see yourself like as the cause point. I don't wanna go too deep because I know there's stuff that you're gonna release.
Speaker 3:It's safe.
Speaker 2:You can't tell people about it because they have to experience it for themselves. If it's not real for them, it's not real for them.
Speaker 3:Right, right, right, right right, oh, okay, so I'll finish my flow by saying this as you get to the top, you kind of recognize and see who you really are. At the top of this awareness place, you really see the source of all the stuff that's happened and been happening and will happen, that you see it all kind of open up a little bit and now there's this perfect synergy from the bottom to the top, from the top to the bottom, and it all works and this is now your new life, your new awareness, and that's what it's look like for me as a visual standpoint yeah, it's.
Speaker 2:It's auditing is very much a okay at this point in time. My opinions and my viewpoints and how the universe really is is this way yes.
Speaker 2:Okay, now I want to take a, I want to take a little John up to the other end of the great chart, because the way you see things now is not the way you're going to see things later at all at that point. Now that the reason for that is is that with the auditing, as you pull this charge off and this is why, on the Scientology great chart, the awareness scale goes up the middle. Quit and mentioned this? Hey, duncan, it's you. Yeah, hey, duncan, the awareness scale goes up the middle of the great chart. So as you get auditing, your awareness increases, increases, increases, increases, increases, increases, increases.
Speaker 2:So now you're seeing things that you wouldn't see otherwise, you wouldn't be aware of. That's why Scientology the definition of the word is knowing how to know. So, as you progress, the way you looked at things down at the bottom is not the way you're going to see things here or here, or here or here or here. Now this isn't just in the physical universe, this is in the theta universe as well. You start to become aware of the fact that there are other things going on here than what you can see with your own Physical eyes, to the point to where you're now aware of things that you can't see with your own physical 54 perceptions. As hard as that is to believe it is a fact.
Speaker 2:Now this is where the OT levels come in, because now you're you're starting to deal with. Once you go clear, you've opened Pandora's box, you've gotten all this charge handled down at the bottom. Now, about that charge at the bottom, that charge at the bottom is a general charge. We're approaching this from a standpoint of it's just charge. What it really is and this is where South Park and the release of all this data from the OT levels on the Internet comes from and what the OT levels are Is this charge is charge both of you, the fate in charge, using a different term you're, you're running the show, you're the guy, that guy or gal that has the body, but.
Speaker 2:But what happens to a being is when they get so degraded they've committed so many over some withholds, they've gone and we've got a lecture podcast might as well be a lecture based off of LRH's lectures About valences. When a person goes so far out of valence, they, their ethics go out. When their ethics go out, that's really when they go down the chute. What's happened is and this is going to be a mindblower for people what's happened is is this universe is a creation of beings like you and myself and our listeners fainting spirits, and when a person, a being goes so downscale, they become solid. Think about that for a minute.
Speaker 2:Look around the room, look outside look up in the sky, all right, and LRH. Lrh says the, the, the, the most scary thing in the most horrible fate for things, and the thing they're most concerned about is that they become a molecule. Think about that. So what that means is.
Speaker 2:You're walking around in the graveyard, the biggest graveyard of graveyards. Let that sink in for a minute. Yeah, everything around you and what makes up your body is quite literally a degraded being or the byproduct of a once great, once God like being. Can I, can I please jump in? Yeah, go right ahead, okay. So let me tell you something.
Speaker 3:So this is not weird, right? No, this is not weird, this is not far off If you study any Native.
Speaker 3:American religions, if you study African or Pan African religions, Anomaly, and then you can see the difference between the two If you study any Native American religions, if you study African or Pan African religions, animism, stuff like that. They've always had this idea that there's a spirit of the rocks and the spirit of the trees, and the spirit of the ocean, and the spirit of the rivers and the data. There's always been this idea that everything has its own spirit, its own awareness, its own Ashe or animus, right and so, and with that it then comes into being, it comes into form, and its form then is be able to be utilized on whatever level. We can use the water, we can cut the tree down and make a couch or make a bed or whatever whatever. Right, hey, please, how you doing? Yeah, it's not, it's not weird at all, right, and so, if you really, if, for those who are really studious, those who are interested in learning more about Scientology, understand, this is not something out of science fiction.
Speaker 3:This is stuff that has been studied over and over and over again and pulled together to have a codex, if you will, a body of knowledge that is based on tens of thousands of years of human history, right, and humans, I'll even say human theology on some level. What's going on, arthur and Terrence, how you doing so. All of this is not something that's that's out of the woo woo. Now, because most people, because most people only know what they mama and daddy and them taught them, because most people only know what pastor said, because most people only know where they have come from, they don't realize Wait, this is not far from what I already know, right? This is something that I do know to be true. Now, from there, get catch this and I want to just kind of give oh gosh. I think. I think we should wait till the comparative religion, because I would go into this because, LRH talks about it.
Speaker 3:Lrh talks about this stuff. Well, how do you, how do you get from what we thought we knew about God, about spirit, about life, to what we know now, in the 21st century? There's a whole swath I love that word. There's a whole swath of information that is encapsulated in Scientology, that's pulled together and culminates in Scientology, and if you get it, you'll get it. Anyway, I want to say this one last thing. Even the Bible says it this way If you don't, if you don't speak, the rocks will cry out. It even says that the rocks and the very stones would cry out, that even Jesus knew that there was a way for even the stones to cry out and speak of. Of. Anyway, I don't want to preach, but you get.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, well, the point is is that this isn't just the reality of this narrow band of Scientologists, you know, or Hubbard, or anything like that. This is, this has been something that he saw in all of his travels and everything, whereas, like you know, there's something more to this and he's probably the best distiller of information I've ever seen walk the earth in pulling all of these disparate things together and then kind of re aggregating them. What's important, what's not important? Ok, how do we do this? Ok, this gets us there. It's one and so forth, and these are mysteries in other circles, you know. And when I say these mystery schools that we have, yeah, right, that you know it's it's those things we cannot talk about type of a deal. So it's. It's super important to understand that this isn't anything new. This isn't anything that's crazy or anything. The only reason that things are crazies because people either a aren't aware of them, don't want to confront them, be or it's been suppressed, and or they don't understand all of those things.
Speaker 2:A, b, c and D, and Hubbard had had the Cajones to bring all of this stuff together and bring it out of the shadows and into the light and say, ok, let's approach this from a different standpoint and let's see how true it is for other people. Some of the stuff he had to tool around and everything, but he eventually found his way and for the life of me I cannot fathom how in the world he came up with the materials on OT to and how fundamental they are to this universe in the history of this universe, especially in the neighborhood that we live in in this particular galaxy. I can't speak for others, other other, I mean there's a lot of reality out there and there's a lot of things that we're not seeing, that are completely different than we're not aware of, because we're on this little rock on the edge of the Milky Way Galaxy. So the whole point of this is that you're you're dealing with the universe that is going to be pushing against you because you're dealing with some very, very degraded beings and you have this pushback. And this is why Hubbard said it's very crucially important that you get up the bridge so that you're not the adverse effect of it.
Speaker 2:And that universe isn't it, isn't this. It of them, of your, your brethren, if you will, these degraded beings that have become so solid and so out of valence. They are the physical universe and if you're not careful, this could happen to you too. This is why it's important that you need to go OT. This is why it's important that you need to get others and help others go OT, because if we don't, if we don't, we're not going to be OT for very long. This is why we're doing this podcast. Go ahead, you want to say something?
Speaker 3:And let me just say this, and you can see it, one can see it happening in their own life, right, have you ever felt like like you were so on top of the world, so things are going so well, things are really happening for you, and then something comes and happens. You make a mistake, you make a poor judgment, a poor, a poor decision about something, right, you, you get out ethics and something happens and it all comes crashing down Right, and to that degree you feel like a stump on a log. You feel like I don't want to get out of bed. You feel like whatever whatever, I mean, I know, even in the Great Depression people were jumping out of windows and all crazy stuff, right, I'm not living themselves Like. So it's like.
Speaker 3:It's like you get so crushed you understand what I'm saying to you. You get so crushed, just in your own life now, that you feel less than alive, you feel less than big. You feel less big, less of a being and more of a of an object. Right, this is what we even say when you look at certain people, you're objectifying women or you're objectifying men or whatever, whatever you can do this, right, and it happens even in our own life. So what we're talking about is a macrocosm of the microcosm of your own life, right? So when we talk about OT levels and degraded beings becoming solid matter, mass, mass and all this stuff like this, we're talking about a microcosm, a bigger idea of the smaller idea of self. That this happens and you felt it before, maybe some of you may have have felt it before, and now we're talking about how to get out of that dwindling spiral right.
Speaker 3:Right and going back up the chute.
Speaker 2:Right and and, and that you mentioned the, the, the dwindling spiral, the whole thing. It's important to note that LRH Hubbard mentions and this isn't, isn't, isn't confidential he mentions that all evil purposes are caused by the OT case. They're caused by these degraded beings that have latched on to you, and this, this is no different, no different than what you see in the Catholic Church and in in handling these things, when, when people need to be exercised Because well, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm just going to say it what you're dealing with on the upper OT levels is an exorcism of degraded beings that have attached themselves on to you like vampires, because they themselves cannot be the thayton in charge, and so their influences and your influences are just butted up right up against each other and they're being your pancreas Okay, and you've got pancreas problems. The reason why you got pancreas problems a big part of it is is we've talked about this on several podcasts that the, the the greatest particle is admiration. Well, the second greatest particle is attention, attention.
Speaker 3:Oh, what is that?
Speaker 2:I don't know, I just got balloons.
Speaker 3:Oh, somebody just gave us balloons. Thank you for the balloons. I love it.
Speaker 2:So you're. You're when you put your attention on something as as a being in a body, the fainting in charge, running the body, that is John. When you put your attention on that and it's something negative, guess what? Now you've got, you've got Wembley Stadium now going into agreement with something that you've, you've made a decision on, or apostolate on, negative, and they go to where you point that flashlight of attention and that causes body problems. Now, that's only part of it. Only part of it.
Speaker 3:Wait, wait, wait. What was the second greatest particle? You say admiration, and what it was, and attention. Attention right, attention admiration, correct, correct, correct.
Speaker 2:Right. So when you put your attention on something that's going on with your body, these bodies are pretty low maintenance until you put a, a fainting plus body, and then you put entities plus body plus they, because what happens is what you think is what they think and then they double down, triple down, quintuple down, octuple down on that. Now you've got a bad knee or you've got the gout type of thing, because whatever you put your attention on, they're going to give you whatever they think will get them attention, because that's what they want is. They want attention, they want to weigh out, they want to go up the bridge and get auditing as well. And you'll find, in solo auditing, the biggest air sea break that you ever have to deal with as a solo order. Is these guys going? I'm not getting any auditing. You know they're cutting in front of the line, causing problems. You get a headache. They're trying to get your attention. They're knocking on the other side of the glass and you can't see them, but you kind of make out of form. Well, this is what you're dealing with.
Speaker 2:The thing is is and this is the important part, and I want to stress this what I'm trying to say is is that if you get all of this charge off from the lower end of the bridge and now you can start to address this stuff, this stuff, now you can help these guys and you can emancipate people that have been so degraded for so long Time, doesn't matter to them, they're in the state of the universe, just happen to them and they don't know they're dead. So you want to help handle them, you want to emancipate them, get them back in valence so they can go off and do whatever it is that they want to do, and you tell them you can go sit on the mountaintop, you can go pick up another body in the hospital ward and then come back and get some more auditing in Scientology and finish the job. This is the point is, you're handling the bridge at the lower end Generally. Then, once you go clear, now you're handling it with this type of thing, my thing, this other type of thing and you're trying to handle these guys. So what you do is, once you get their interference with attention and admiration out of the way, well, guess what it reverses. And now you can intend, now you can get your attention on things that you want to put your attention on things positive things, not negative things. And then you're making the right decisions as to what you want to do.
Speaker 2:And now you can postulate. Why do we handle postulates in new era dynetics? And that's the only way that you blow an engram. You blow an engram is you're getting that postulate off that you quote, unquote, generally decided. Well, guess what? Somebody was helping you make that decision. Guess who it was.
Speaker 3:Let me say this I love how you said that the when there's some body stuff going on or some troubles as keep showing up in your life or whatever, whatever that somebody, someone is trying to get your attention here.
Speaker 3:This people, you've heard the saying the squeaky wheel gets the oil right. The squeaky wheel gets the oil and what ends up happening is this is that when something, a pain turns on in your body and you bow over, oh my gosh, and you don't know where it's coming from, you don't know what's going on, like, oh, what's going on with that shoulder, what's going on, whatever, that shoulder then needs to get some attention right. That shoulder needs to have some attention to put on it, whether it be some icy hot, whether it be whatever. But you know, intuitively, spiritually speaking, you know, that you're not just the body right, and so LRH uses the example of you're trying to fix. It's like putting a car in a garage with a flat tire and saying that eventually the car will fix his flat tire. It's just a body right, it's just a piece of material.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:Because you're not just a body, it's not always, hear me, it's not always just your body having the condition. That's right, that's the important point.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's the important point. The body is the symptomatic side of the knot's case. That's it.
Speaker 3:The body is the result of a spiritual situation.
Speaker 2:That's right. Okay, yeah, and that's what we're trying to get across is that you need to understand that there's a lot more going on here than you can perceive at the lower end of the bridge. Okay, and yeah, you know, it's very much a trust, the process type of a thing. Believe us when we say this stuff really, really works, but you can't see. It's like trying to see in the dark with a body. You can't see in the dark. If you're in a pitch black, there's no lights around. You're out in the country somewhere and all you can see is the galaxy above you, but you can't see what's 10 feet in front of you.
Speaker 2:This is literally an analog for that and that's what auditing handles. As you get this charge off, you start to see these influences around you and then you can go, when you get onto the awareness scale, around OT three, you get to source sources. You can now spot the source of these influences. Now you can do something about it, take responsibility for your own case with solo auditing, doing what LRH says and even beyond that, with with the rhonsorg materials have and go from the symptomatic side on the body in LRH's knots that is, affecting the body to going to the subjective side. When you get onto X caliber and pass the OT seven and we give you that choice you can do either one. You're going to get gains from them.
Speaker 2:But when you get to the subjective side in X caliber, which is just minor tweaks on knots, you're now handling these things that are not manifest on the body. There's no longer the symptomatic side bothering you. Now you can put your attention on things that you want to handle, whether it's money flows, family members, other subjective things, whatever it is. Whatever your attention is on your guess what? That particle attention? Your attention is on it because you know what needs to be addressed and we've gotten past all of this victim side stuff, everything that's been done to me, these entities, and they're okay. Now we're handling the bigger picture. You get that out of the way Now you're reality.
Speaker 2:That's right. And now you become aware of other universes in your own reality and you can now see miles into the distance in the middle of the night, because you're not using the meat body to use it.
Speaker 3:Yes, you know, it's interesting because in some other podcasts we talked about like movies, like Dr Strange, and we talked about different things like that, where it's being revealed to us through art, through movies, whatever, but it's being revealed to us that there is a knowingness, that there's multiple dimensions, multiple levels of experience, of awareness, right, and I think that, in my estimation, scientology kind of fully captures what that life is like to be able to live through and in some of those other awarenesses. What I will say is this to each of you you might start with need to change, like needing to change something in your life. You might start with that kind of lower level, but very quickly do you move up to hope, do you move up to communication, do you move up to some of the higher characteristics that you have natively as a being, you quickly move up into those other characteristics and with good, consistent hear me, good consistent auditing, with good, consistent auditing, using the tech as it was designed, as it was written, as it was laid out, using this stuff the way it was intended LRA contended it what ends up happening is you start to see these things pop, boom, boom, boom, levels and worlds and concepts and being able to create change. Let me tell you something. I'll tell you this real quick. I would just share a quick story.
Speaker 3:For me to be able to manifest tens of thousands of dollars okay, let me go back further than that. For me to be able to just, with good communication, pull in $106,000, right, just using the tech, using what I know, using this stuff, being able to pull in $106,000. Okay, this is how you do it. You've got to know what you're doing in this life in order to manifest the life that you want. It's not luck. Luck is what I say. Luck is preparation, meeting, opportunity. There's the thing luck is when preparation means opportunity.
Speaker 3:Well, get prepared Right, exactly, get the take, get prepared so. So that way, when the opportunity presents itself and when you're operating at this band, at this level, the Opportunities definitely present themselves. I'm not telling you something, I read out of a book. Okay, the opportunities present themselves to you and if you're prepared, if you know what you're doing, if you know what you're talking about, if you know how to use this stuff, it works when you work it.
Speaker 2:That's right Now. It's important. It's important to know where we're at this point. We're running a little long for our 45 minute podcast, but I want to want to throw this in here. One of the things is is you're prepared? Because the only thing that's stopping you is you there. You go at the end of the day and that is what auditing Handles. You're not aware that you're doing it, you're not aware of the composite case and the stuff on the OT levels, and and if you could stop it, you would stop it. You wouldn't need to be listening to this podcast and you wouldn't need Scientology. So it's there and you're interested and you know you, you know there's validity to it. So, that being said, that's where the L's come in as well the, the L rundowns, which are the special set of rundowns that help you blow and deal with OT case Without having to approach the OT case from an OT standpoint. This is.
Speaker 2:This is what's going on and a lot of it has to do with you. And in later on they added on the knots materials to the L's to Address that sort of a thing. We here at AOGP Try not to do that because it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to spend the time and the money To handle something that you can dispatch on knots. So we recommend doing L11. You can do L11 to lower end of the bridge. That gives you the doing this in Order to emancipate yourself and give you the ability to do the things that you need to do to get more auditing Right. Finish OT3, then you can handle L10 and L12. It's recommended to do L10 and 12 After new OT7 and after X caliber. That's my best recommendation. But L11 will definitely give you a jet pack to get you up the bridge faster and create the games that you want to create. The game being play you. So that's why LRA developed the L's is to make people into executives without having to give them that whole runway in order to take off.
Speaker 3:Can you give a brief, a synopsis, on what the L's is like? What are the L's like the letter L?
Speaker 2:Well, the L in L's stands for listing and nulling.
Speaker 3:Sorry say that, yeah, I was talking.
Speaker 2:The L's in L run down stands for listing and nulling. Listing and nulling is Nulling in you LLING.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like when you you, you nullify something, and I'll get into that here real quick and explain listing and nulling real quick. Listing and nulling is the most powerful and most precise auditing action that we have in Scientology. Let me tell you, it's Deceptively simple and it's what's on the knots materials on new OT4, 5, 6, 7 and X caliber. But what it is is is you're getting the person, you're, you're asking them a what, who or why question. Don't ask yourself what, who or why questions. Stay out of that because we'll get into that in a minute. Listing and nulling is a what, who or why question that gives one answer. That answer, when you get a floating needle or better, is your item. It is, for lack of a better word and to go outside of Scientology's your truth, okay, whatever that is now, this answer can change as your reality increases. This is really interesting. So we can come up with a listing and nulling question that has charge on it in his reading. We get you to give you the list, like it's what's my favorite color? And you say my favorite color is lavender and the needle floats and says that you're. Is that your item? Yes, it is very okay. Boom, charge blown, there's an as is and this. That's gone on.
Speaker 2:Now, a little later on you might rethink that, because now your reality is different. You might come up with a different item. Doesn't happen all the time, but it does happen sometimes. So the L's are chock full of of listing and nulling questions because instead of Generally speaking what an area might be, we have the area, the thing, your item, and we're taking that item, which is generally a terminal, because in auditing, all work we care about is getting terminals to run, that's, terminals are persons, things that have charge on them. So it's the only place on the great chart for LRH on the class 8 course where you're evaluating for the PC. The catch is the PC is the one giving you the information and you're giving it back to them. That's where the evaluation comes from. But if it's true for the PC, it is the thing. That's where the magic happens and the as is this happens and boom.
Speaker 2:You now have this valence, this terminal that you can now audit, with over with old technology, with other listing technologies, and you've soon come to find out, and you can attest to this on L 11, that it has everything to do with valences, because this is where things go awry is Valences and it's this. Who you opposed, who you become, who you've opposed, who you become.
Speaker 2:It's the old gpm technology from the st Hill special brief course back in the 60s so this this is this look at the L's as the culmination of the entire st Hill special briefing course, done in a much more savvy way because now they had all the information.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I'll tell you just quickly, when you start Dilling with the L's right, so again you're giving, you're giving the auditor what to look for. So you say this is what my, this is my, this is my thing, this is my thing. And then the auditor says okay, I'm confirming that this is your thing. Yeah, that's my thing. Okay, got it, we're gonna run it Right. And then we start running that thing. There's a couple, a number of commands that have to be run. Start running that thing when I tell you, okay, my experience, just my experience. But when I tell you the stuff that starts to come out, when you know exactly what your thing is and you know how, like, I just need to know why I'm in this thing, I need to know why this thing is hurting me. So I need to know why this thing is affecting me. So I don't, I can't Spide it myself. I need somebody to help me pull it out, right? So the auditor is there to help you pull out just by asking these things that LRH Gave us to do, these commands. The auditor is there. These questions, the auditor is there to help you pull out.
Speaker 3:Why is this your thing? Well, this is my thing, okay, well, why is it? Let's, let's go through it. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And you now know exactly what the freak Got you in this situation where this stuff is messing me up, and it's been doing it for a long Time. Okay, it's been doing it for a long time and I tell you something when I got some, I got some stuff, y'all that came off of me and I felt like I was soaring and I felt like I was in a whole new dimension, like I can really do some stuff Like, like stuff that I was doing. Now this was me right, right. Then I have been doing and didn't realize that. Anyway, suffice it to say the L's are good.
Speaker 2:Well, and and and it's, and it's. It's important. It's important to note that why it's why some of the L's should be done where they're done and why they should not. Lrh says they can be done anywhere on the grade chart, but the thing is is, if you're, do you want, do you really want, to spend the time running something on, on something that is just going to go poof off of your case, or do you want to handle them and let them go off and take responsibility for their own case? That's you know. That's really really, really important to note is that LRH created the L rundowns to get you there quicker and faster, so that you have more horsepower, so that you can get up the bridge. But you're functional now and it's very important to note that. So there's no shortcuts here, no shortcuts whatsoever, and it's like leaving it's, leaving case gain on the table to do things yourself or not get all of the auditing, because, believe you me, if you don't have your expanded grades, you're not gonna run nearly as deeply as you would on the OT levels if you had.
Speaker 2:And the universe is chock full of life. Lrh says it's everywhere and it's been the problem for time immemorial. And all of these implants and all of this stuff on the whole track were all put there by societies mainly because they were running into this. Intention, counter, intention, create, counter, create. Quentin and I have talked about this several times you have a blank chalkboard. If you've ever had a brand new chalkboard and you see how well that chalkboard works when you use chalk on it, it's brilliant. And then you're like, wow, the chalk is. It's the brightest white and all this stuff.
Speaker 3:And you're going but we don't use chalk, we use the dry erase board.
Speaker 2:Well, a dry erase board or a chalkboard, either way, then when they get dirty, you can no longer write on it, because there's no-. Is that as good? It's not as good. Here's why Because in this universe, these societies, on the whole track, realized that there was something preventing them from getting their will imposed. They were trying to create, create, create, create, create, and then there was all this counter-create from all of this life coming back at them and they didn't quite understand it.
Speaker 2:So they had to lie to the life, the Thaetans, and get them to believe something that wasn't true, to get them to back off. They thought To control them, to control them, and at the end of the day, every single one of these societies went down the chute after they did that. But they left behind all of the debris and all of the aberration and trying to control Thaetans. Because they couldn't control Thaetans, and it was the biggest overt of all to try and sit there and lie to Thaetans and get them to do something other than their own free will and believe something, because the only way you can control a being is to lie to them. So that's what they did, but in the end they destroyed themselves. But the lies remained with these Thaetans, you and I and all these other degraded beings who can't even run a body themselves and think they're you, and it just became a big, huge mess. So we're picking up the pieces. Unfortunately, it doesn't take Trillinia Cullinia to do this. Auditing works on a chain basis early. It doesn't take excuse me Trillinia.
Speaker 2:Trillinia is yeah, I mean, you know, it doesn't take nearly as long to de-aberate yourself. Eleorade says it doesn't de-aberate yourself. That's why he says nothing in this life can aberrate you is because it takes a really long time to do this and it's by force and it's by lies, and that's what auditing takes that force and that charge and you get a Thaetan to. You know. Basically tie themselves down and dig their own ditch. And that's it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's it. I told you before I think I was saying that the only enemy is the inner me. Right, it's my little self, that smaller, diminished version of yourself that makes you feel like you have to be less than who you really are. Somebody said in the comments to maintain OT levels, it is essential to communicate and maintain ARC, which is affinity, reality and communication with other OTs Like this is so important. Like, and this is why thank you for saying that you said that the podcasts and discussions are there for value. Thank you so much for that and we want to continue this conversation because I think there's.
Speaker 3:I told him before we started this podcast that I'm a PR major and, for me, I always believe in controlling the narrative right. Don't let somebody tell you what you think. You tell the world who you are right. Don't what did I say? Don't practice what you preach. Preach what you practice right. And so we're coming to you telling us, telling you about our experience, our lived experiences within independent Scientology, in order to show you that you can have so many amazing wins, so much greatness opening up in your life, just by doing what is laid out for you already to do. It's already laid out and all you gotta do is say I'm available, here, I am Sidney, and when you get into that kind of space, you open the door to so many great, great possibilities. When you're ready to do so, and I think if you listen to this, maybe something you ready for, something- that's right.
Speaker 2:That's right. You're here for a reason and everything happens for a reason. And everything happens for a reason is because you make it happen or you don't.
Speaker 3:That's it.
Speaker 2:Ellarate says to conclude our podcast. We're approaching almost an hour here. He says at the lower levels and I'm paraphrasing at the lower levels people have no idea the amount of gains that are available on the OT levels or even in just one session, and the only way that you can avail yourself of that is by getting started reading a book, doing a course, getting some auditing and getting going on this, because it's really it's just a matter of starting and to the degree that you decide and you put it out there and a postulate is not just deciding but putting that postulate into motion. That's up to you, that's up to Quentin, that's up to me. And man, the sky's the limit on this stuff.
Speaker 2:And what's really going on in these universes and the part of it that you are and that you can create of it is mind-blowing on the OT levels. I can't even put it into words because words are just symbols and they're just part of the physical universe. You really have to experience it for yourself and I make no apologies again in closing on this that you need to understand this, that this data is out there. Don't look at it, be aware of it with what we're telling you in this podcast and get up the bridge, because the things that you can do in the physical universe, the theta universe, and for other people are, I mean, there's just no limit. So for Quentin and I, quentin, do you have any closing statements?
Speaker 3:No, I was going to say shout out to the lower levels of the bridge Because, like I said in my career in studying Scientology, I really have. I can honestly say that the way my life has changed, the way my body has changed has healed, the way my flows have opened up and communication has. I mean, it's just such great things and so, anyway, thank you guys, so much for tapping in and please comment below, share this, live out into other groups and other people, whatever what. We want as many people to see this as possible. And also, I'll say this too tell us what you want to talk about, right.
Speaker 3:Because this is something we just we, just, we, just we talk it right, we just we have a chicken.
Speaker 2:What are we going to talk about today?
Speaker 3:Like literally before this podcast I was having chicken talking to John, and then Zoom having chicken and say, oh, let's talk about that, ok, and we just come out and have a conversation.
Speaker 2:Yeah, come out. Come out swinging with what we've got, but give us some topics. Make sure you go and subscribe and tickle that little bell on YouTube as well for us. They're on YouTube in video and audio and they're on our website and all kinds of podcast platforms Amazon, spotify, apple iPod, apple Podcast and about probably a dozen or 15 other places. But share this, get people involved. Let's make some more OTs, let's buy an island with a big old hotel in it and let's let's let's start delivering Scientology and have our own flag land based the way LRH really intended it. That's what I'm shooting for and I need your help to do that, because we can and we will do it. I want to do a retreat. That's exactly it.
Speaker 3:I'm saying it now. You've heard it here first people.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and we'd like, we'd like to do a retreat to get this ball on the roll. But the target is our own island with our own hotel and some real theta happening, just like it used to in the old days at the Flag Service Organization, before the bad guys took it over. So for Quentin Stroud and myself, we bid you adieu, namaste, and we love you Bye-bye.
Speaker 3:Peace.