Join Quentin Stroud and myself on a venture that promises to revitalize your view of Independent Scientology. We're peeling back layers to reveal the energetic heart of a faith that’s too often misjudged as mundane. Expect to discover how a deeper engagement transforms Scientology from a mere belief system into an exhilarating game of life, where joy and purpose reign supreme. We tackle the question many shy away from: Why does Scientology seem so low-energy to some, yet remains a wellspring of vibrancy for us after two decades?
In our conversation, Quentin and I dissect the concept of 'duplication'—the key to unlocking a world where boredom is but a distant memory. We share stirring personal stories, reflecting on how our lives have been reshaped by the strategic principles of Scientology when facing life's unexpected twists. From the interplay of ethics to the dynamism of the ARC triangle, this episode is more than a mere discussion—it's an open invitation to rekindle your curiosity and intentionally engage with your own life's narrative through the lens of Scientology.
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Join Quentin Stroud and myself on a venture that promises to revitalize your view of Independent Scientology. We're peeling back layers to reveal the energetic heart of a faith that’s too often misjudged as mundane. Expect to discover how a deeper engagement transforms Scientology from a mere belief system into an exhilarating game of life, where joy and purpose reign supreme. We tackle the question many shy away from: Why does Scientology seem so low-energy to some, yet remains a wellspring of vibrancy for us after two decades?
In our conversation, Quentin and I dissect the concept of 'duplication'—the key to unlocking a world where boredom is but a distant memory. We share stirring personal stories, reflecting on how our lives have been reshaped by the strategic principles of Scientology when facing life's unexpected twists. From the interplay of ethics to the dynamism of the ARC triangle, this episode is more than a mere discussion—it's an open invitation to rekindle your curiosity and intentionally engage with your own life's narrative through the lens of Scientology.
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Speaker 2:Hi and welcome to another Scientology Outside of the Church podcast brought to you by the Advanced Org of the Great Plains. That's us, and I'm here with Quentin Stroud. This is Season 7, episode 17. This one's going to be about Scientology is boring, with a little lilt up at the end. Boring, and I think this will be a fun one for people that are like oh god, this is so boring. There's reasons for this. So it's been a while since we've done a podcast because we've been moving locations and everything, both Quentin and I and we're back with a vengeance. How are you doing?
Speaker 3:Quentin, I'm doing fantastic. Just got back from a cruise and I am in absolute bliss, so yeah.
Speaker 2:It's always good to take a vacation.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 2:So Scientology boring.
Speaker 3:I've been doing this for 20 plus years, right, 22, 23 years and I've had a lot of friends that have said to me, oh man, scientology is boring. And I'm like, no, she's not Like. To me Scientology is always couple of crosses, very fascinating. Even when I first encountered it some 20 plus years ago, like I had no idea what it was. I had never heard of, I've never heard of Dianetics. I had like I didn't see all the commercials and stuff like that. At least I don't remember seeing them. And when I walked into a org at the time it was, it was fascinating to me to see everything that I saw. Well, now, as I study and the subject of Scientology as an Scientologist, it to me it gets even more fascinating to see the evolution of it in a whole bit.
Speaker 3:But I get why some people feel that Scientology is boring. The study of it right, there's mechanisms behind it, there's reasons for that and all I'll say is this growing up in a black Christian church, household kind of community, it there was a very different vibe to what we call church right, and the whole experience of it. It was a production, right, it was an experience. And so I can get why all the pomp and circumstance, not with, not there can see more than something without all the pomp and circumstance. I can get why some people might feel that Scientology is boring because it doesn't have all that the production associated with it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you don't have the fire and brimstone thing going on as much as you do in other facets of religion. Because it's well and this is an interesting aspect of this If we look at the CDEI scale the curious desired, enforced, inhibited, no and refuse scale, and tell me, if you think this is the case, where would you say your past experiences in a religion or a philosophy? Where did they fall on the CDEI scale, like with a pastor in what you know the best for example.
Speaker 3:For me it was probably either on desire or desire. There was a yearning, a craving, a I need to feel that feeling. I literally had people say I need to go, I need a shower, I need a bump. It was like. It was like cocaine.
Speaker 2:Well, and like you see in a lot of the Southern Baptist churches and things like that, and if you go to one of those, I mean every one of them is almost like a revival, yeah when you know you walk out and you just feel invigorated.
Speaker 2:There's a point here, because when you and this is my opinion tell me if you have a different viewpoint, but when you feel invigorated, you're at curious on the CDEI scale, at curious or at a minimum desire, because you might be desired to stay in there and keep singing songs with choir and things like that, where you know different religions have different sermons or like we're talking about today in Scientology independent Scientology specifically I mean we don't do Sunday services, but it's one of those things that when you feel it and this is the point that I'm getting to when you feel it and you, you, you get a desired result from it. You go from maybe for some people enforced or no, some people don't like to study and they start getting up into desired in Scientology. But you have to experience it for yourself. It has to be and this is what it always is. If it's true for you, it's true for you.
Speaker 1:So when it?
Speaker 2:becomes true, then it's desired, or preferably curious, don't you think?
Speaker 3:100%. Yeah, because I've always been curious and wanting to know more. I've always that's just my nature period growing up as a kid, right, and, and it got to a point where once I realized that there's so much more that I didn't know or didn't recall even like, and I could, I could learn this, I can know this, I can recall this, I can work with this, I can use this. It was it worked for me. Now I will say and I do believe that there is a mechanism in there that when a person doesn't want to learn, or might have too many misunderstood words, or might have had some bad education or bad control or whatever case it would be in the past that they don't want to even approach this level of knowingness- yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, alan, that's that that comes down to. If something is boring, are you? And actually I was. It was doing a session with with Lisa today on interested interesting and that interested and interesting, open the door to wait for it.
Speaker 2:Having this and you have to have, you have to have intention to be interested it's far, far, far more noble and endeavor to be interested, I'm sure you have to have it. And when I say have, I don't necessarily mean the bright, shiny car. Have, I mean the have. And you have the person standing next to you. Can you have a subject? Because that's a different, that's a different kind of have. It's not what I want and feel free to jump in here.
Speaker 1:It's not what I want.
Speaker 2:But what can I have? Can I have living around a lot of trees? Can I have a clean pool? Can I have the leaves that fall in the pool that I have to clean out on a daily basis? I'm looking at the wind using using examples of this. Can I have that Right? Have Scientology.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think it's interesting. It's interesting to me that being more interested in others, in life, in the subject of Scientology, in whatever being more interested, did allow me to have it more, have more right, because at first I was going to use the word you can tolerate more, but I don't even think that's the right word. I think it really is a point of habit, because I can then have whatever life throws at me. I can have whatever this is. We watch South Park or we watch this stuff that's out there and people will be like you know, this stuff is out there about Scientology or whatever.
Speaker 3:I can have that. I can see that. I can see what's going on, I can have what it is and I can continue to study, I can continue to read, I can continue to go on course, I can continue to get on, I can continue to learn more about myself because I can have whatever it is. There's no break on that. It doesn't put me off, as it were, right To see something or be aware of something or know something and be like, oh yeah, I want to have it. No, I can have it. Yeah, okay, that's interesting because, I'm interested in that.
Speaker 2:Right, because you're already interested in that. And Hubbard says in one of the briefing course lectures he says I always like it when you have questions because then I know what you don't know and you can go from there. And then when you take that an extra step and you have somebody who's watched South Park, for example, and has seen that episode, it then tells you when somebody's being critical about it or says, oh, that's the origin story of Scientology, it's the same thing. You know what they don't know.
Speaker 3:Yeah that's it. It automatically exposes the ignorance of the person. Not to disparage but to say you just don't know what you're saying. You were regurgitating something that you might have saw on the television show or read on whatever, but you don't know what you're talking about and to that degree it might seem uninteresting to you, if not far-fetched, if not whatever else. It doesn't seem like you can have it, and that's okay if you can't. But my grandma used to say, baby, just keep living. Just keep living and you'll see.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, well, and like, like. Like Hubbard says, you know, even he has a hard time confronting evil. I mean, he actually wrote this and it's in a policy, and if somebody, if somebody thinks that something is boring, well, and then this is out of creation of human ability.
Speaker 2:I've been rereading the book in a new unit of time and I mentioned this to you earlier for the podcast is if a person, whether it's good or evil, good and evil are still interesting to people and there are varying degrees of good and evil. Absolutes are unobtainable, per Hubbard, and I would agree with that. So good and evil, that's. That is the premise of every story ever written, even in the good book, if it's a fictional story.
Speaker 2:So how in the world could something like this, this subject, be boring to anybody unless they hadn't delved into it enough which is kind of where we've headed with this if they haven't delved in it enough to look for themselves and get some of that information and actually know something about it by taking and they're saying, oh, this is interesting, I'm going to be interested in it with some intention, whether that intention and you know how many times have you and I both gone into something in life and gone in with with the aspect of well, I'm going to, I'm going to prove this, this subject wrong and I'm going to go in and read it. And you got into it and you went damn, this is good.
Speaker 3:You know, you know what that just happened to me. I was having a conversation with a flat earth or a person who believes the world is flat. And I was having a conversation with a flat earth and I went here trying to prove, I went into proof and the conversation got so interesting to me that I was like, oh, that's pretty interesting stuff and it was a funny. It was a funny little conversation and we ended up taking pictures like together, like I was in Thailand, ended up taking pictures and stuff like that. It was a really, really good conversation, but I was just interested in what he was saying.
Speaker 2:It was pretty interesting, right, and that's that's the thing with the subject of independent Scientology is. It's a matter of viewpoints, of dimension, and the interchange of those viewpoints, which we've talked about in the Scientology and Dynetic Axioms, is that interchange of viewpoints is how you learn. You can't just go into something and decide well, there's nothing to learn about this, because you're not going to be able to even begin to assimilate any of the information, because you've already made up your mind, which is also part of the student hat materials in Scientology. So we've got that too. So how can it be boring?
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, well, you know, it's interesting too, because when Ellarie talks about boredom, I think there's a reference he has called simple processes, and in the reference on simple processes 1994, march 31, 1994, he talks about how boredom boredom really is this condition or this state where you have kind of run into this over and over monotonous kind of vibe. Right, it's a monotonous thing and I'm not quoting here, but it's a monotony of processes, a monotony of happenings that's going on. And he actually talks about how duplication is the way to get through boredom.
Speaker 3:So when somebody says Scientology is boring, it just simply means you haven't duplicated what's being talked about, what's being referenced, what's being said.
Speaker 3:You didn't get it, you don't have enough duplication, you don't have enough understanding yet, you don't have enough full awareness yet to really get it, that it therefore is no longer boring that if you're going through something, you're reading the materials, you're on course and you just can't get through it. You keep getting stomped, you keep blowing course and I'm just talking to all the independence scientists out there make sure you get on course, but all this stuff is happening and it's all. It is is a lack of duplication. And once you get enough duplication, it basically says like it's like, this can't happen, this can happen again, this can be again, this can be, this can be, this can be. That's what duplication actually gets you to a point of this can be, and it's so really, really interesting because now, whatever it is that you're studying, oh, okay, that can be Okay, and you read some more Okay, that can be, and you get this place of like now I fully can duplicate it. It's a wonderful.
Speaker 2:Right, and it's important for any new listeners to define duplication. As to what duplication is, I think because I'm sure we'll have some new people listening Is duplication is when I say, look at that tree, and the other person duplicates. In other words, they're understanding and then they're going okay, what direction, what vector is that in? And then they're going, turning their body and looking at that tree and going oh, that's that, that is a parrot, a yellow parrot in the tree, that is a so and so type of parrot. That's duplication.
Speaker 2:But when somebody doesn't duplicate the information, they're not understanding it at all. There's no duplication in the communication and that's why people find Scientology boring is they're not duplicating it either because they have misunderstood words, or they've decided they don't want to learn about it, or they've gotten false information on it and they don't want to open their eyes and actually take something and apply it and use it for themselves. That's what makes, and it doesn't matter whether it's Scientology or if it's basket weaving. That's what makes it boring. That's all there is to it. Now, you know the other things enter into that that if there's too much randomity, too much motion going on, a person, a being, a Peyton, gets put to sleep for the Scientology axioms, or I think it's the Dynatic axioms actually, and if there's there's, there's too little.
Speaker 2:Well then a person goes to sleep as well as a being, because there's not enough randomity. One way or the other, too much or too little. So it's a matter of having the appropriate amount of duplication to have the amount of randomity that you need in order to be able to study something. Did you have a thought?
Speaker 3:All of a second. You're absolutely right. Like, like, there's too little randomity or too much randomity. So just today, just today, my 2D came into the room, was that, babe, I'm bored, I'm bored. And I was like, well, what does that mean? So what's going on? But in my reality, from my perspective, I got a lot going on. I got a lot of stuff. I'm creating a lot of stuff, I'm working on a lot of business stuff, I'm doing whatever. But my 2D doesn't have that, and so it's like it's like, okay, you're bored, okay, so we got to find some randomity and so I said, well, let's take a walk and we go outside, we go to the hardware store, we go get some stuff. I was just trying to make it a fact that some randomity, right.
Speaker 2:Right, pulling back up the tone scale, right, yeah.
Speaker 3:Oh my gosh, I get it now.
Speaker 2:And that's and that goes back to the interested. Interesting and interested is better than interesting, and interested requires intention, requires intention to be interested. If you don't have the intention to be interested in something, you will not then have what it is or not be able to create, to have, either way, that thing that makes things less boring. So it isn't the subject, it isn't a thing, it isn't the environment. It all starts with the being themselves. Do you want to be interested? Do you have the intention to be interested in order to have something that makes something not boring?
Speaker 2:Yeah, do you have that intention, yeah yeah, because without intention, intention is cause. Without intention, you've got nothing. We find this out on the professional TRs course, when you're learning how to communicate with somebody professionally, learn as an auditor or maybe in sales or whatever. The same is true for a person in front of you, as it is a subject that if you don't have the intention and you're not interested, you will not get your communication across to them in order to have them duplicate what it is. This is very important in relationships with the opposite sex or whoever a business partner or somebody that you're trying to make a business partner. You have to get it across to them, you have to be interested, because if you're interesting, it's an inflow, interested is an outflow, and you have to have that intention in order to have that duplication, in order to get something done. It doesn't matter whether it's a person or a thing.
Speaker 3:There's a saying, a colloquial thing, that idle hands are the devil's playground.
Speaker 2:You've heard that before. Yeah, sure.
Speaker 3:Idle hands are the devil's playground. I can see when a person is bored. They're trying to manufacture some man-domity. They're trying to make something happen, to be interested, to be interested in what's going on. Idle hands is a devil's playground. They're trying to start fights or start some kind of gossip or start something, whatever it is that. I'm from Alabama, so gossiping was just part of the course, because it's a very slow town. I live in a very slow town. It would well you child. You know they ain't such a such baby and you know such a thing. They don't even look like him. It just goes on and on and on. I'm like why y'all talking about that? Don't you like that something better than you? Nope.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Well, and the interesting thing to mention here and I think we can maybe add this into this is that we originally started out talking about doing a podcast and about war and boredom and what's going on on planet Earth right now, here in 2024 and in late February, where if you don't give people something to do, then the game becomes get you.
Speaker 2:That's from the responsibility of leaders policy letter from LRH and, in a larger perspective, throughout history in history, when people don't have something to be interested in, they become interesting and they start doing things that are out ethics because they are bored. When you get bored, like you were saying, idle hands a person's ethics go out because they have to create something to entertain themselves. And that's how we came up with this podcast and is Scientology gives you the opposite of that. It gives you the data to where, instead of playing games that you don't want to play, you can play games that are pro survival because you're going to survive one way or the other. Anyway, you're going to play games that you intend to have and play. And then again, like he says, in Creation of Humanability, any game, the ultimate ending of a game is loss. Why? Because you won the game. Even though you won the game, you still lost because now you don't have another game.
Speaker 3:The game is over Right.
Speaker 2:So in Scientology there are tons, tons of games that you can play that help yourself and help others, and they're sort of like micro little games that you have to play. These achievements and those achievements come from taking that information, duplicating it, understanding it and then being interested with it and seeing what the result is that you get with another person.
Speaker 3:Well, and that's why I believe that continuing auditing and going on course and doing the things that allow you to live out what you learn, like for me, you know, after, after you know, being in Scientology and studying Scientology for 20 plus years like it for me, I think, with this data right, and so it's not something I have to like push through, it just comes up. I was on the cruise and we start talking about the ARC triangle and you know, affinity, reality, communication, and we start talking about how important it is. Everybody was had wrapped attention. I was in a group of people and everybody had wrapped attention just learning about the ARC triangle, but I was, I was using it in context, talking about relationships and how to, you know, you know, help these two people who are in a relationship get closer to each other or whatever. So all of that, it just, it just works. When you work it and when you think with this data, when you're able to use this in everyday life, your life really does become a game and you know you're playing the game, like you can see it playing out right in front of your eyes and you can see yourself winning at every moment, like I'm winning. This happens and I still winning. Wait, that happened to me, but I'm still winning. And all of these things happen. Oh my God, this is, this is just. It's my first time talking about to you about this, even.
Speaker 3:But I just got wind earlier this year that I was being sued about something and my first reaction was wait what? It was a car accident situation that happened some time ago. I was like, wait, what? That was years ago, but it's come back around, right. And then I looked at the documents, I looked at the paperwork and I really read everything through and I said, oh, this person is playing a game with me. That's exactly how I was reading it. I said, oh, this person is trying to play games. Okay, you got games, I got it. And so I contacted my attorney. Things going on and on, we had a two way car or whatever, whatever, and it seems to be a non issue anymore.
Speaker 3:But I'm saying that to say. At first my first look at it was shock and awe and like what the heck? But then I realized how crazy it was. It was like $300,000 and super crazy. It was like a fender bender, but it became such a ridiculous game that I no longer felt the fear or the charge or the angst of it, the anxiety that people feel when stuff is going on in their life. I don't feel that anymore because I realized you just trying to, you got games, you got jokes, you're crazy, and so that's just how I live my life and that's how it feels. And I got that from studying the subject of Scientology and continuing my processes and auditing, continuing my studies on course, continuing to do the things I need to do. It makes life more fun, and I'm not joking when I say that.
Speaker 2:Right, it's not fun, it's not Scientology.
Speaker 3:There, you go.
Speaker 2:And that's the thing. What makes it not boring is that if you know enough of the information, you can apply it to your life on a day to day basis and all of a sudden, these things that might get you down, you're like, ah no, I see this for what it is and it doesn't bother you anymore because you've got a solution for it. So it's as simple as that. It's only as boring as you decide that it is boring and that's typically because you don't understand the subject and you need to look into it and open your eyes, open your mind, and just read it a bit and apply it and you'll see that it is a fun game.
Speaker 3:There you go. I love it.
Speaker 2:So for Quentin and I, we are out of time for this podcast. We hope you enjoyed it. If you have any questions, you want to go on course? We've got several free courses. You can find us at aohyphengporg you can also contact us with the email address on aohyphengporg and you can contact us about auditing or if you have any questions. We have tons of materials on there. Take a look at them, read them. We've got dictionaries. Answer your questions. We're here for you and happy to help. So we'll see you next time on our next podcast, episode 18 next time. So for Quentin and I, namaste and we love you.
Speaker 3:Peace.