As we unfold the Scientology Grade Chart and its life-changing potential, we invite you on an exploration of self-awareness enhanced by auditing, and the profound impact it can have on surmounting life's hurdles. Together, we'll tackle the often-ignored challenges of pharmaceuticals and their effects on spiritual progress, taking you through the meticulous steps vital for anyone seeking to experience the full benefits of Scientology practices.
Personal growth isn't just a goal; it's a thrilling expedition that we chart through vivid stories and discussions in this season. Discover the epiphanies that light our way as we delve into the intricacies of the mind and the stability that comes from LRH's teachings—far surpassing the ephemeral highs of fleeting emotions. Hear firsthand accounts of the purification rundown and how it catalyzes growth, and gain insights into the human condition through the lens of trained auditors. This chapter is not just an invitation but a compass for navigating the complexities of life with renewed confidence.
Finally, we confront the barriers to personal growth—those mental treadmills collecting dust in the corners of our minds. Learn how Scientology auditing can rekindle your innate ability to face life's challenges head-on, and how the application of conditions can help you overcome avoidance behaviors. We'll share transformative experiences from completing the Grades and discuss the significance of overcoming evil purposes to achieve true spiritual advancement. As our community flourishes, so does our invitation to you to engage, question, and grow with us on this shared quest for freedom and understanding. Join us on this journey, and let's chart a course towards greater enlightenment, together.
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As we unfold the Scientology Grade Chart and its life-changing potential, we invite you on an exploration of self-awareness enhanced by auditing, and the profound impact it can have on surmounting life's hurdles. Together, we'll tackle the often-ignored challenges of pharmaceuticals and their effects on spiritual progress, taking you through the meticulous steps vital for anyone seeking to experience the full benefits of Scientology practices.
Personal growth isn't just a goal; it's a thrilling expedition that we chart through vivid stories and discussions in this season. Discover the epiphanies that light our way as we delve into the intricacies of the mind and the stability that comes from LRH's teachings—far surpassing the ephemeral highs of fleeting emotions. Hear firsthand accounts of the purification rundown and how it catalyzes growth, and gain insights into the human condition through the lens of trained auditors. This chapter is not just an invitation but a compass for navigating the complexities of life with renewed confidence.
Finally, we confront the barriers to personal growth—those mental treadmills collecting dust in the corners of our minds. Learn how Scientology auditing can rekindle your innate ability to face life's challenges head-on, and how the application of conditions can help you overcome avoidance behaviors. We'll share transformative experiences from completing the Grades and discuss the significance of overcoming evil purposes to achieve true spiritual advancement. As our community flourishes, so does our invitation to you to engage, question, and grow with us on this shared quest for freedom and understanding. Join us on this journey, and let's chart a course towards greater enlightenment, together.
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Speaker 2:Hi and welcome to another AOGP Outside of the Church podcast. This is season eight, episode one, and it is March the 21st. It is now officially spring in the northern hemisphere and officially autumn or fall in the southern hemisphere. For me and Scientologist Quentin, how are you doing? I'm doing?
Speaker 3:fantastic.
Speaker 2:We're gonna tie things up in a tidy little bow. We're gonna sort of go back rear of your mirrors for a minute and then we're gonna talk about the independent Scientology grade chart. And you were telling me right before we started that we kind of advanced everything up to your clear attestation and we had talked to Ed about his meeting with LRH and Quentin and then, prior to that, how does independent Scientology work? On those two episodes. So we were kind of progressing in a certain direction. You want to tell me about what your thoughts were on how we tied that up in a little bow.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, basically, as we geez, as we kind of come off the high of hearing more about what was going on with Ed and meeting LRH and that whole amazing story. It was a two hour podcast and if you haven't heard it, it's really really interesting just the whole way it all unfolded. I think there's even more that we were going to talk about, even concerning that. But after that, shortly after that, maybe like a week or so, I attested to going clear with auditing with you and it had been. It's just been an amazing, amazing journey ever since.
Speaker 3:And so, after going clear, I kind of started asking questions about like wait a minute, this is how it feels, this is how it goes, this is how it works. And you showed me the gray chart which you have like right behind your head there, and as you kind of walk me up the gray chart, like this is how it works, I was like people need to know this. People need to know like this is. I mean, it's there in print. The other gray chart is available, but do people really understand how and why it moves up the way it does? And so I wanted to just talk about that. I want to talk about the gray chart I want to talk about, like how LRH discovered this bridge to freedom and how we can walk it if we so choose.
Speaker 2:Well, it all starts out and, like you said before we got started, the scale of awareness is in the middle between the training and the processing side of the 1980-81 Scientology independent slash, independent Scientology gray chart and you have all these different levels on the gray chart. Where the person is at, and where the grade chart really starts at, is need for change. That's when a person gets on the gray chart. So you know everybody's in, is doing independent Scientology for a reason, there's something they want to change or improve and that's where we start out on the scale of awareness and that's where you're at when you do a purification rundown, your objectives, your Scientology drug rundown. It's worth noting that there are three if you want to include the objectives. Four, and that includes TRs, two training routines, tr zero through four, five if you include that, but actual drug handlings on the gray chart there's the Scientology drug rundown, the new drug rundown for Dynetics and then there's new OT four that handles the OT band aspects of drugs. So that's three plus TRs and objectives that you're handling the effects of drugs and it's important to note that auditing cannot occur where drugs are still pushing the person around and the reason and how these things push people around is it puts them out of present time.
Speaker 2:They might be a potential trouble source. They're taking drugs to forget or cover over something that's going on in their life. They could be taking alcohol to forget, and that's mass the pain. That's what drugs are for. They're not the solution to the problem, they're a massacre. I just we were just at a doctor's office the other day and she used that exact term. She said you know, it's just masking it, it's not the solution. And that's the society that we live in is the push button society. Take a pill, make it go away. But the problem is is that when you take drugs, it keys the case out for LRH and then doesn't, so the mass comes in harder. So this is why you have this. Okay, I need to. I need to take a little bit more and a little bit more and a little bit more in order to get that same release, that same high.
Speaker 2:And, yes, you could say that a high is a form of release, but it is a stable release, it's a non-stable release and those have to be handled first with the Scientology drug rundown. Prior to that, the purification rundown to get it out of the body. The residual effects out of the body, get the person to do their objectives so that they're you're straightening out the person's time track to where they're in present time and when you're talking to them they're not thinking about something else. They're in the room, they can control objects in the room, they know where there are. That's sort of the thing. So these are all these basics that have to be gotten in.
Speaker 2:But it is extremely important to note for people that are new to this subject that we can't audit somebody that's on drugs. You have to dry out first and you have to get this stuff out of your system, otherwise you're going to get very little, if any, gains, and that's that's something we've been running into and it bears noting yeah, it bears noting. You know, and you're in what you do for your clients as well as what we do for ours how many people are on pharmaceutical drugs? Yep, like candy.
Speaker 3:Especially now, yeah, especially now. And I'll say this, and you know, obviously I'm glad, I'm glad you started with that and looking at the different places on the bridge where drugs and the effects of drugs are handled, because it shows why we as independent scientists are so big on making sure you're not drugged in your experience. That doesn't mean that you know if the doctor, if you go to a doctor, and you guys decide that that's how you want to handle your medical situation, you know you're a free will being. You can decide how you want to handle it yourself. But understanding that, you know certain drugs do have a residual effect and it does stick with you for quite some time and maybe even longer as it goes on.
Speaker 3:But I want to say this because for me, I would really really recommend people starting with that when they come in at that need for change. I got to change my life, I got to change. So I would really recommend people starting on courses and and I say that as a student myself on the College of Independence Scientologyorg I would say that because, like when you know this stuff, when you know and understand it and get a full conceptual understanding of how it works and what's going on with the mind and the anatomy of the mind and and you understand book one, dianetics, and you understand why the purification process is so important. When you study this you get an awareness about yourself. That in for me at least.
Speaker 3:A lot of times while I was studying I was getting keyed out, like stuff was just like, oh my God, like I would get these oh my God moments, you know, omg moments that I would. I would feel so much better just by studying and knowing what's going on with me, what was going on with me, and that started me really looking and reaching for the higher stuff on the bridge. So I would definitely say there's a reason why the bridge is set up the way LRH did it and that the introductory levels and and understanding you know from a course perspective, whether you do the extension courses, whether you do some of the Academy courses on on the College, like, get in a course because you, once you know it, nobody can take it away from you. If you feel good, that can be taken away, okay.
Speaker 3:If you feel good, something can impact you. Anything, life be life. And if you, if you feel good after a wonderful session, great, but that can be, that can be hit again. You know what I mean. But when you know that, you know that, you know that, you know you got it and you know how to deal with the in life ass stuff comes up.
Speaker 2:Well, and that's the thing, 50% of the of the gains are from auditing, 50% are from processing. And if you're going to stay out of the soup, training that you get out, you know that, that you get, you get out of the soup. And auditing to stay out of the soup, you got to get the training. Because if you don't understand the mechanics of the mind and how these things happen, you're not, you're not going to get too far. What does LRH say about an OT that doesn't have training? Says, well, now they're just a big dumb thing.
Speaker 3:Exactly, yeah, and you stumbled around and, literally without training, you hit my, I hit my finger and I knew immediately how to handle it, what to do, what not to say, what not to you know, I knew how to move in through it and it was, it was. It was gone after a few seconds, a few minutes, and so all I'll say is is that get training first and now. If there is a part of you that really needs help, right Like I need somebody to help me, definitely feel free to reach out to us and have a dialogue, have a conversation, because it is definitely going to help, just to kind of two way calm about it.
Speaker 3:So, you can have that consideration. I know after my purification run now, like for me. I don't know if I'm supposed to be saying this, but like stuff was coming out of my eyes so.
Speaker 3:So I had anybody who's followed our podcast they know I've I've had bad allergies. Allergies have always been an issue for me, and so I used to take all kinds of allergy medications not anymore, but from stuff in my mouth, up my nose, in my eyes, everything, okay shots, all that stuff. And while I was in on the pier of, stuff was coming out of my eyes, white stuff was coming out of my eyes and it was like dripping down my face and running down my face and it wasn't like tea or fight and I had to. I had to get it all out. So there's stuff that's in there that you'll know be in there that could be affecting you and doing the pure of it. Boy oh boy, ak, really help out.
Speaker 2:Yeah well, if, if, if you understand these things that you, like Elevator says to to the degree that you understand something, is to agree that you can't be the effect of it. So, understanding the basics behind I mean you know, for example, the first step of handling a person who is a potential trouble source, somebody who is either receiving suppression presently or in the past, and they have somebody in the present reminding them of that suppression in the past, LRH says the first and only step that you can do is you need to educate that person, and a lot of times that solves the problem. Where you understand, they get to understand the mechanics of suppression and then they spot who it is that's suppressing them and then they can get out of that situation because now they are at cause over that situation.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 2:Same holds true for the human mind. How much, how much did you learn? But let's put it this way you read Dynetics before you did your, your co-audit with your, your twin, correct, okay, and where did you learn the most? You learned how to do it through book one, dynetics. But would you say, would you say, that just studying it would have, would have helped you, or would it? Was it applying that to somebody else that you that really it really hit home with you?
Speaker 3:No, being. It was great getting out of it and I loved going in session because we discovered more and more and more about ourselves every time. But being the auditor and as the as the person is in session, right. So I'm the auditor and I got you in session and to see the manifestations, see the things turn on, the dramatizations, see the stuff turn on in this person's body, from the body being contorted and snot running out of the nose and the you know, crying and all this stuff and and and like seeing the body turning red and the face getting like, you could see it happening. And what was interesting for me as the auditor was I was able to say, oh, that's what's going on with this. You know, in our, in our experience, right, that's what's going on. And so, by getting trained first and then applying that to a PC, a preclear, it was really, really good for me to see it in session, Right, I don't know if we do the Dianetics Co-auditor or how that works or whatever, but I'll say that.
Speaker 3:I'll definitely say that Dianetics is a great, great gradient for people to come in and get awareness of what it feels like to be audited and what it feels like to audit once they get properly had it on it.
Speaker 2:When, when you first, when you first read the book, were you dubious in, in, in the efficacy, the result of what he was saying that you would get? I mean, you're where you like, sort of like, mm-hmm, okay, whatever.
Speaker 3:I? I wasn't because I cleared my words. I'm gonna say this because I go on to that book. It's a, it's a, it's a confront. I mean it's a 500 page plus book, 500 plus page book. So it is a bit of a confront. But going through it, clearing your words, getting full conceptual understanding on Dianetics alone right. What it did for me is it gave me absolute clarity about going clear, about what clear was about right and about how to how, when is not. Does that make sense? Like how? When is not there? Because, oh yeah, I know what my dramatization is. I had some trust me. I know what my dramatization is.
Speaker 3:I know the things that was kicking on or turning on and we, we could, we hear it all the time and it's like pop psychology triggers our triggers. You know, that triggered me, that just triggered me. I was talking to a girl. I was talking to a girl in San Diego and she goes we're at a party and she goes, um, I forgave him, but I was triggered and I said well, I said okay, I said so, you forgave him. That means you let it go, you good, right, yeah, I'm good, I'm fine, I'm good, but I'm triggered. I was like it ain't going, baby Right, it ain't going. And so we have it. All the time these triggers that turn on.
Speaker 3:But I think that what you study and know what's going on, you can find it out. So so, so, coming out of the introductory levels and dealing with, like book one, dynamics, you know, listen to some lectures and stuff like that, like that can really really help. Then you go into on the bridge, like actually start, start, which is the purification. This is all the processing side. What's the equivalent of that on the audience side? What would one want to go in on an sorry training side?
Speaker 2:for a long hold. Well Depending on when you're looking at it, depending on the grade chart and time. Now it is student hat. That's where you get. You can do the basic study course. That's free with us. That gives you the greatest hits of it. But student hat is where you start out because you have to professionally be a professional student in order to get professional results. That's learning how to word, clear, clear your words, barriers to study, and there's 10 lectures from the St Hill Special Briefing Course and one other lecture series that aren't student hat to get you to be able to study. Then you move on progressively. If you were look at the bridge directly from the processing side to the training side. Next would be ProTR is probably the best, best course in Scientology. That definitely makes you a pro, not only in life but in auditing as well.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I can agree with that. For those of you that are wanting to go up the bridge and you're wanting to experience some of these amazing wins that we talked about on the podcast that I did in the one from last episode, go back and listen to season seven, episode 20. But if you want to experience these, then again, starting with the training is going to be the probably the fastest way, because when you train, you move faster on the processing side. People always ask. People always ask how long does it take? How long does it take? I can only say about my journey what's that saying?
Speaker 3:If you want to chop down a tree in an hour, I spend the first 45 minutes sharpening the axe. And that's where I'll say is for me, that was true, I need to spend time sharpening the axe. And then, when I got to chopping, I was able to chop off ingrams. I was able to chop off these things. I was able to get through these locks and these secondaries. I was able to get through these issues, and I was because I had some stuff but sharpening the axe of my own mind, my own awareness, my own intelligence, I was able to then go in session and chop down trees a lot faster.
Speaker 2:Yeah because you're raising your awareness through training, and one of the things that we do when people do start auditing with us either a life repair package or even a grade chart package, clear package or OT package and they're starting from the bottom up is we go over all of the Scientology axioms, all of the Dianetic axioms, as well as your standard Scientology CS1, which is your Scientology terms, dianetic terms, pts terms and the reason why we take the time to go over the axioms is because most people don't get introduced to those unless they picked up the books early on. They don't get introduced to that. Those basics, why auditing works, how it works, all of these very simple concepts that tie together until you're actually in audit or training A lot of people I mean I don't know how many people we've done this with we're like well, where were these 20 years ago?
Speaker 3:Right. How many times did I say that to you I? Was like we should have noticed a long time.
Speaker 2:Right, Right, and it takes time. It's 10 to 12 hours that we spend for free going over this. What does that mean to you? Give me some examples of that sort of a thing. But see, the thing is is we're not even doing this metered. If we did it metered, you would see that as we're going over these axioms, these people are getting tens and 20s and 50s and 60s of divisions of tone arm because they're understanding the underlying basics, because they just heard well, man, I got some auditing and I know that it worked. A friend of mine said I need to get a life repair, that's it. But they need to understand how. That is because if they understand how and why, now they know what to look for and they cognize, they have realizations quicker. They're getting more divisions of tone arm motion per hour, sometimes two and three times as much in an hour, because they understand it. So if you can just do that with the axioms, just think of what you could do is if you continued your training in tandem as you were getting auditing.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So, and that's why you do PROTRs, you can't do auditing over PROTRs, because PROTRs per LRH is case gain.
Speaker 3:I was just going to go into PROTRs because I believe that there, when I started doing PROTRs, for me it was life-changing because my ability to confront went up. Just like everything in my life my finances definitely my finances, Like my ability to really confront my finances went up dramatically just doing TRs and then communication, of course, and because of my job, because of what I do, I make money via communication and so that helped me to become even more successful in my business. So just doing the TRs and objectives and kind of going on that side as well really really helped me. Protrs, of course, even more so because, like you said, it is case gain, so you have the ability to handle things that you couldn't handle before, At least you think you could.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, the end result of PROTRs is to handle any social situation, no matter how rough, with communication alone. Oh, I love it. So that's the primary thing. But confront what you're doing with the grade chart in auditing and both training is auditing You're getting a person to confront their case on a very shallow gradient scale, more and more and more and more and more. So now they're at a cause over and they're not the effect of it, but they need to get the training to understand why that is as well, which doubles or triples their amount of confront on things. So confront is what you're getting from auditing. That's what it is and that increases your awareness. If you can't confront something, how can you be aware of it? It's that simple.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you can't even face it, you can't even take a look at it.
Speaker 2:Right. And then you see that in life you have something in your house or something that you want to do, or there's that treadmill that doesn't get used. How long, if ever, if ever? Let's just make it real to people how long, if ever, do you ever really confront that treadmill and get on that treadmill five days a week? Why? Why, because your confront hasn't been rehabilitated to where you can get on that treadmill four or five days a week, or one day a week. So that's what auditing changes, because if you knew what was wrong with you, it wouldn't be wrong with you. That's why auditing works. Training now tells you okay, this is really what's wrong with every being, is this makeup of the mind. And you put those two together, the auditing and the training side, and all of a sudden you're like, yeah, I'm going to confront that, I'm going to get on there, I'm going to get on there.
Speaker 2:So, it doesn't always come from the auditing side because you're just released from this stuff, like we've mentioned in other podcasts. It's a release, it's a key out. New Area Dynetics or Book One Dynetics erases this stuff. You're just trying to key a person out with auditing on the Scientology side so you can get them to confront their reactive mind with New Area Dynetics, training, short circuits, that. Now you understand complexity and confronting. You can ask yourself what am I not confronting? Okay, I'm not confronting my treadmill. Okay, what's so complex about me getting on the treadmill? Well, I'm going to have to bust my ass. I don't want to confront that.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 2:You see, you understand it because you got trained on that policy letter. What am I not confronting about busting my ass? Well, I just don't want to bust my ass. Okay, I need to apply a condition to that. What condition do I need to apply? Danger, I need to bypass habits in normal routines to get my ass on the treadmill.
Speaker 3:See, I feel triggered.
Speaker 2:Did I miss a whiffle, Quentin?
Speaker 3:No, let me tell you, it's so interesting you talk about this because for me it's not the treadmill, for me it's. I said to myself, I just want to do push-ups. All I got to do is get on the floor and do the push-ups. Yeah, right. And so feel the floor. Is there a floor there? Yeah, I need to get the floor.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:Well.
Speaker 2:I mean you know. But it also comes down to what LR8 says, and I'm just adding this to give a fuller picture. Lr8 says the definition of a silly optimist is somebody who thinks they're going to feel good every day in a meat body. Yeah, okay. So to the degree that you have the information is to the degree that you can think with that data, because you know what is data series one say you know that sanity is. It's the recognition and availability of similarities, identities and differences. Okay, so you can sort these things out.
Speaker 2:If you don't know what you don't know, how can you compare anything? Nothing's going to help with that, but it's only going to help to the degree that you get definitions cleared up by the auditor with you before you go in and actually do a deep dive into your case, whereas if you get the training, you're getting all that information straight from LRH, nobody else. It's not changed, it's not altered. We make sure that. And now you can think with that data, not only in life but in section. So that's how it amplifies that case game.
Speaker 3:Wow, so okay, so got it. So study train, get on course, get in session as your own course and you kind of, you know, jockeying your way up, you know, through those ARC Straightwire, when we talk about drug rundown, happiness rundown. We talk about what happened. No, okay, so happiness rundown.
Speaker 2:Happiness rundown, as you can see on the grade chart in front of you, is adjudicated by the CS, is one of those, and happiness rundown would be basically you would CS that to somebody that well, maybe they didn't have the greatest parents, maybe they didn't have the greatest foster home, maybe they didn't, you know, they didn't really understand that they needed to brush their teeth or take care of their brothers and sisters and stuff like that. There's certain situations where that comes up. I don't see, I don't CS people for the happiness rundown that much, but it can be done if need be. It's something that we do offer and it's a great rundown and it's a very gradient thing. The next place that you would handle that sort of thing would be on grade two, with Overt's and Withholds and even undercutting. That is just basic concepts. That's what. That's what the way to happiness was.
Speaker 2:Zehler Ritz wrote that because he could see that society was going down the tubes in the eighties and the late seventies and that these things that were should be obvious to people weren't obvious. That you should, you should respect and take care of your parents. This was, this was 40 years ago, over 40 years ago, that he saw this and I mean, you see this all the time where kids don't, they don't respect their parents, they don't brush their teeth, they don't take showers, they, you know all this stuff. So that's what the happiness rundown is is based off of, is the way to happiness. And then, after that is ARC, straight wire, where you're trying to get a person, basically you're trying to run dianetic locks from an ARC standpoint and get charged off of the case so that their recall improves. And now you have. Now you have something to audit, because you auditing as much book one as you had. You have to get the locks out of the way in order to get in there, to get to the end grams, because they can't confront them.
Speaker 3:Let me tell you something. For those of you who have not studied dianetics yet, please pick up this book, get the, get it on the course on the website rather. Because let me tell you this, locks are something else. Okay To be able to walk around in your life, to go around in your life and just to encounter something and it snap you back into a messed up condition. It's just a lock, just a thing, okay, but it's snap. It pulls you into this condition and you're like why do I feel this way? Why am I so agitated? Why am I so nervous? Why am I so anxious? Why am I so scared? Why am I feeling this way? It might not have nothing to do with nothing, until you know, and I'm telling you, I had a client who I was doing book one out of England with and had a lock on the telephone in his office, like the phone in his business, in his office, and his mother passed away.
Speaker 3:And he gets the call at work that this was. This has happened, and without any warning. Hey, sit down, I'll talk to you. No, the first day he has the phone hello, this is John or whoever. And his sister goes what is that? And she's screaming this on the phone Boy, oh boy, oh boy. And all of a sudden, for years and years and years after that, he gets migraines After being at work for so long. Talk on the phone had no idea and we was in session and it came up. Boy oh boy, he cracked up laughing. Never had issues with migraines turning on at working here, no problem. So you know, it's just knowing this stuff. You can see it, you can get it and it blows your mind. So ARC Straightwire doing that stuff, getting it out of your way so you can have better recall. Oh, it's all there.
Speaker 2:And you know, a big part of ARC Straightwire is the book self-analysis and the self-analysis list that you can do on yourself and they're extremely remunerative and you can just do a little bit every day and knock it out in a short order but it really helps. And locks, like you were saying earlier, locks are a key in or a trigger and that's what ARC Straightwire and self-analysis helps is to handle that so that you don't get so triggered.
Speaker 2:Yep, it's so wonderful, yeah, and it's super easy to do and it's fun. If it isn't Scientology, it ain't fun.
Speaker 3:If it ain't fun, it ain't Scientology.
Speaker 2:That's right. So when you go from ARC Straightwire now you're getting on to grade zero, where grade zero allows you, through the auditing processes that Hubbard created, to be able to communicate to the auditor specifically about anything, anytime, anywhere, anyhow, because if you can't tell your auditor what's going on, how can you get any better? And then from there you've got grade one which helps you with help and your viewpoint on help and really gets you going on what needs to be done? Because most people view help as betrayal when you offer help to somebody like what you talking about, willis.
Speaker 3:Right what you want, what you want with this, right exactly what's your angle.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 2:And if you don't trust the auditor to help you, well, how can you get any better? And that's what the grades are about, is they hit it from a bunch of angles, or what we call rudiments, the basics, on a large scale. Then you get into grade two, which is over at some withholds, that sort of thing.
Speaker 3:I got a question real quick about this, about the grades particularly so. Am I hearing that the grades are really meant to help you be a better PC?
Speaker 2:That's pretty yeah, it'll help you, help you be a better PC yes, I mean, ultimately that's what it is so that you can front up to the heavy lifting that's coming. Oh wow, on a very, very shallow gradient, because it used to be that New Era Dynetics, and before that, standard Dynetics was literally the first thing that you did on the grade chart before the purification rundown came on. Really, yeah, back in the mid-70s you did standard Dynetics as the first order of business. But see, the thing is is what happened in the mid-70s is you were starting to see the result of the late 60s drug culture really take hold, and so these people had to have drugs gotten out of the way before they could even confront a lock, let alone the secondary or in-ground. And the LRA said we've got to turn this thing around because it's too steep of a gradient and they can't handle it. Now that may not be true for anybody like me. I could have done it because I didn't have any drug history, but that's pretty rare these days.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean from the marijuana use to other hard core drugs. I mean I live in California, so I mean you go to a party and they try to offer you Coke. So it's like, hey, you want some Coke, Like I'm drinking like a Coca-Cola.
Speaker 2:Right, Like it isn't anything at all. Yeah, and that's the indication that the society has really gone down the tubes, because they don't even recognize it is wrong. You know, I mean, you go to a club, look at all the things that are available at a club, you can see. You know, I mean you can just go on and on and on. And I have some people that are, you know, the generation after us or the second generation, even younger, and their drug lists in session are incredibly long. But what's interesting is is that that these drugs have replaced alcohol in a lot of cases.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 2:They get a lot more.
Speaker 3:They start getting alcohol in high schools from 15, 16 years old. Yeah, so an alcohol, yeah.
Speaker 2:And it doesn't provide the release or the high that these drugs do. So they don't go to go towards alcohol anymore, they go toward these, towards these hardcore drugs that I mean MDMA, for example, you know H, which is an elephant, and elephant tranquilizer an elephant tranquilizer. Can you imagine what that does to a 120 pound woman? Or a hundred and 150, 175 pound man? I mean, you just wow. And it's hard to run that stuff out. So LRA said look, we got to get the drugs out of their system first. Let's get them up the grade so they can talk to the other. Once the drugs are out of re-stimulation, then we can do new aerodynamics and they can really front up to the case. Otherwise they don't get very far, very quickly, or at all.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no-transcript. So the grades help you become a better PC and then you can finally go into oh, new York Dynasties. I get it now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I gotta say this I've had a lot of people that have come to us and said oh yeah, done the grades. I'm good, you know, and I go in and I find out when I get them on the meter no, they haven't. And if one got through, you always know they didn't get the results of the grades. Because if you're really really, really really set up with the grades which is what they do the gains that you can have on the OT levels are four to five times better than what you would ever ever get if you hadn't been set up on the grades. Do not underestimate the power of Scientology grades processing, because it makes such a different in auditing people as well. They're just a joy to audit. We call them Cadillac PCs because they're so fun and easy to audit. Like yourself, I mean it's a joy to take you in session because you're cognitin' you're going. Oh my gosh, I mean you know, and it's so fun to audit somebody like that instead of.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, and with that drug case it would just be super challenging. I can see how it'd be super challenging. And then you get so after the grades you become so capable as a PC. Now I'm gonna say this because you're an auditor and I am your PC, clear pre-OT person, whatever, but for me, these grades helped me also be a better person.
Speaker 3:And I'm gonna say this for real even just going out of the grade zero communication, when I did grade zero going and being in the room with my father or I'm gonna take it back because he wouldn't let me in the room I was at the threshold of his bedroom door and I'm trying to contact him, trying to talk to him, and he cannot communicate with me and I get stuck in that moment Like I in session. Go back to this time I'm standing at the threshold of the door trying to talk to my father. It was the most amazing release to release that and to get out of that stuff when it comes to grade zero. So these so many wins that just allowed me to be more free while going up the bridge, going through the grades, I can say listen, it's good to do it as a person.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're just getting the roadblocks out of the way that you think are normal because that's what you've existed with forever, and you just go.
Speaker 2:Well, isn't that how things are? I mean, we have a at the end of grade zero, we have the zero A and zero B lists and you assess terminals and with one of them's father and you didn't have to do this because it was obvious from CS adjudication you didn't need it but you know, if your father comes up as a reading terminal or person of interest, and then you sit there and say, okay, so if you could talk to your father and I know this doesn't, it sounds simple, but if you could talk to your father about love, what would you say? That's the process, because love is a reading item as well and if you could talk to your father about love, what would you say exactly? Okay, so you do that process and the person changes their mind about that and you're like, yeah, you know what I could talk to my father about how much I love him, whether he loves me or not, and I'm comfortable. I'm comfortable being there and I can do that to the point. I mean, how many people listening to this podcast who haven't had a grade zero auditing, could sit down and just talk to their dad and say, dad, put their hand on their knee and just go. I wanna talk to you about love.
Speaker 3:What you're like.
Speaker 2:What right right, it could be your postman. If you could talk to your postman about love, what would you say? And if you could talk to your postman about love, what would you say exactly? And then you get into other things. If you could talk to your postman about cunnilingus, what would you say? If you? Could talk to your postman about cunnilingus. What would you say exactly? I'm not talking. These are things that happen in session.
Speaker 3:And I'm telling you to be able to communicate with anybody about any subject. It changes your life. Yeah, it really does. I can't tell you how many places I was in the airport. I was in the airport and was it in Bali? I think it was in Bali. I was in the airport and I wanted a sandwich, and they don't speak the English there like that, and so I'm trying to get what I want. I'm trying to put my order in, and I had to communicate with this person who does not speak my language, but I had to get what I wanted and I was able to communicate with him without speaking either of us speaking each other's language, and getting exactly what I wanted to order. And I know it was because of my training and what I was capable of doing, because most people would have had to write it down or do something else. I don't know how they would do it, but it was really, really interesting. I was like, yeah, that's crazy bro.
Speaker 2:I knew it exactly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, scientollegirl does it all the time with me and my jaw drops like we're in Anuba and stuff like that, and she'll bring up these subjects.
Speaker 2:I don't because there's a bit of a language barrier for me because of the accents, but she'll bring up something to Anuba driver there and I have to keep my jaw closed and she is completely comfortable about talking about these subjects to these Uber drivers and they just glow that somebody took the time to talk to them about these subjects that are verboten in German, forbidden to be talked about, and that is, I mean you've basically taken a guy in session and you're talking to somebody and the changes that it makes, when you can sit there and say and I'm just giving an example, baby, what's going on with you? Yes, because nobody took the time to grant them beingness and treat them that way and have a conversation about something that in society, is typically just a no-go zone. That's what the ability to communicate is all about. That's what grade zero does for you. Now, if you can do that with a stranger, just think about what you could do with your auditor.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so now what's the difference between new era dynetics and expanded dynetics? I know standard dynetics like book one, and then there's new era and then there's expanded.
Speaker 2:Well, expanded dynetics was developed to handle evil purposes through the guise of standard dynetics at the time, in 1971. Standard dynetics was what was around from the mid to late 60s, all the way up until 1977, 78, when new era dynetics came out. Expanded dynetics was used to improve a person's OCA graph for people that were troubled by evil purposes. Now, ultimately, less than 10 years later, lrh would come up with the false purpose rundown, which is a Scientology methodology that also handles evil purposes through handling over its own withholds, prior confusions and evil purposes. Now, again in the 70s, this technology came from what he found out on new era dynetics for OTs, which, as an interesting side note, new era dynetics for OTs contains no dynetics at all, but it was used as a marketing boy because you can't audit dynetics on a clear New era dynetics for OTs handles evil purposes faster and better than anything we have in Scientology. But LRH developed expanded dynetics and FPRD to handle evil purposes lower on the bridge if they were preventing a person's bridge progress.
Speaker 3:Now, when you say evil purposes, what does that mean?
Speaker 2:Well, an evil purpose is a purpose. Well, what's an evil purpose? Give me an evil purpose. What evil purposes have you heard people say before?
Speaker 3:Putting people in the gas chamber.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's an evil purpose. I mean evil purposes usually manifest in very obvious ways, but a lot of people they hide and withhold their evil purposes and they show up as a needle phenomena called a rock slam on the emitter. And if you're taking a person in you'll see these rock slams and the CSL say God, this guy's got seven, eight rock slams in session. We need to do something about this because they aren't gonna get any case gain unless those evil purposes are handled first, because their attention is tied down to these evil purposes and committing constant overits through the use of those evil purposes on others.
Speaker 3:Yeah, okay, I get that because, after going through it, let me tell you something. The stuff that comes up in expanded dynamics, what does it say? Freedom from cruel impulses and chronic unwanted conditions. Right, like, yeah, there's stuff that comes up, these cruel impulses and chronic unwanted. There's stuff that comes up when you get to this level that you're like what is this? Why am I thinking like?
Speaker 2:this. Why would I ever think that? Right, why would I ever think that?
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:And it reads it reads so yeah, so these things hold people up from getting up the bridge because they just can't help themselves go off and do the most heinous things, and they're totally okay with it and they enjoy it. But there's reasons for that and these handle them from different aspects of using dynamics or using false purpose. Rundown net for OTs handles it terminatedly, beyond compare ultimately. So there's three different ways, just like drugs, to handle evil purposes.
Speaker 3:Got it Well and it just goes up and up and up from here. Listen, we can talk about this all day. How about this? Because I think we've done a podcast on the OT level.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we have the OT levels.
Speaker 3:So what we really just wanted to get over to you in this conversation was why going up the bridge is so important. We wanted to talk to you about why the training side and getting trained as an auditor getting auditor training actually benefits you in life. It benefits you when you're in session. It benefits you as it relates to you getting up the bridge a lot faster, a lot more stably, and we wanted to just show you how LRH created this and how you pin this, so that you can know why the bridge is the bridge, so I love it.
Speaker 2:Yeah well, it's imperative, given the direction that things are heading here on planet earth in 2024, that we have more trained auditors and we need them right away to turn this ship around. And it's easy to do, it doesn't take a long time. I did my class four training in six months, 10 to 10. And the gains that I've had from that and the sanity that it is put in my life and dealing with others and dealing with myself is incomparable and I can't recommend it enough and it can quite save your life numbers of times over. If you have the tech of something, you cannot be the adverse effect of it. That is the hallmark of getting trained.
Speaker 3:That's perfect so go ahead. No, I just say I like it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, me too. I mean, you know I miss being in training 10 hours a day more than anything, and I wish I had more time to get more training, especially admin training on things, because there's just such a body of work in the on the admin side that I haven't been able to have the time to do because I'm too busy auditing. So you know, get it while you can, we can deliver it, we can get you the word clearing. Whatever you want to do, whatever subject LRH wrote about it and we can get you on course and put you a cause over that area and make you a superstar.
Speaker 3:Perfect.
Speaker 2:So for Quentin Straude and myself, we hope you enjoyed this podcast. If you have any questions, we post this on YouTube. You can put questions there, you can message us on aio-gporg, and it's going across all of the podcast platforms too. We'll get this out to you as soon as possible, and we're going to do another podcast either tomorrow or Friday, and we'll get that posted too. We hope you enjoyed it For Quentin and I.
Speaker 3:Namaste, and did you want to say I just want to say, yes, definitely ask questions here, but also go into the Facebook group. Go into the Facebook group, give them the Facebook group name.
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Speaker 3:Peace.