Have you ever pondered the silent codes that guide our everyday existence? As independent practitioners of Scientology, Quentin Stroud and I delve into the profound Scientologist code, dissecting its inextricable connection to our daily lives. Step into a world where the power of Scientology transcends the confines of the church, illuminating the path for personal enhancement and a broader societal understanding of mental health. Our conversation traverses everything from the ethical missteps within mainstream Corporate Scientology to the pressing need for global mental health education, all while celebrating the transformative journey of adhering to the 'be, do, have' principle.
Struggle and enlightenment often walk hand in hand, and this episode is no exception as we navigate the tumultuous waters of today's digital mental health landscape. With the advent of potential robot therapists and the surge of online communication challenges, we discuss the preservation of humanity in therapy and the unwavering importance of authentic connections. Addressing the societal implications of online conduct, we advocate for the safeguarding of mental health support, ensuring that ethical dimensions are never compromised in our pursuit to aid those in need.
As we wrap up this profound exploration, you're invited to join us in a commitment to spreading Scientology's wisdom far and wide. Our shared experiences of overcoming personal hurdles highlight the incredible potential for positive change through the application of Scientology technology. We pledge to empower lives with insights that foster peace and love, guiding you through the complexities of being a spiritual being in a challenging world. With every chapter, we aim to arm you with the knowledge and support necessary to make your journey a transformative one.
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Have you ever pondered the silent codes that guide our everyday existence? As independent practitioners of Scientology, Quentin Stroud and I delve into the profound Scientologist code, dissecting its inextricable connection to our daily lives. Step into a world where the power of Scientology transcends the confines of the church, illuminating the path for personal enhancement and a broader societal understanding of mental health. Our conversation traverses everything from the ethical missteps within mainstream Corporate Scientology to the pressing need for global mental health education, all while celebrating the transformative journey of adhering to the 'be, do, have' principle.
Struggle and enlightenment often walk hand in hand, and this episode is no exception as we navigate the tumultuous waters of today's digital mental health landscape. With the advent of potential robot therapists and the surge of online communication challenges, we discuss the preservation of humanity in therapy and the unwavering importance of authentic connections. Addressing the societal implications of online conduct, we advocate for the safeguarding of mental health support, ensuring that ethical dimensions are never compromised in our pursuit to aid those in need.
As we wrap up this profound exploration, you're invited to join us in a commitment to spreading Scientology's wisdom far and wide. Our shared experiences of overcoming personal hurdles highlight the incredible potential for positive change through the application of Scientology technology. We pledge to empower lives with insights that foster peace and love, guiding you through the complexities of being a spiritual being in a challenging world. With every chapter, we aim to arm you with the knowledge and support necessary to make your journey a transformative one.
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Speaker 2:Hi and welcome to another Scientology Outside of the Church podcast brought to you by the Advanced Org of the Great Plains, aio-gporg. This is Season 8, episode 2. This one's going to be about the code of a Scientologist and independent Scientologist in this sense. I just did some jumping jacks so I'm out of breath. Go ahead and take it away.
Speaker 3:Breathe. No, this is good. So let me just tell you guys how we can kind of ran into this again for the first time, because, obviously, being on course and doing things that you have to do, I was looking for a particular reference about being able to communicate and other upon things freely in the creed of the Church of Scientology, but then I found the code of a Scientologist and I was like, oh, this is so good. Right, this is so good because what it really gives us is, I guess, the full kind of. I think he says it's a vital code for any Scientologist active in the community and, of course, when we talk about Scientology, we're talking about one who studies and applies the technology of Scientology, not necessarily one who is affiliated with any Church or thing of that nature. But this is a vital code and, as independent Scientologists, are we rocking this? Are we using this? Are we doing this in our own experience?
Speaker 2:So yeah, yeah, well, it's sort of the basic policies that we go by and how we operate, and I've seen lots of interesting things in my years regarding the code of a Scientologist and there's a code of honor as well. We independent Scientologists and Hubbard are very big on codes, because you have something to something to refer to and it's in writing.
Speaker 2:If it isn't written, it isn't true. So let's. Let's start off with the preamble on this. He says the code of a Scientologist was first issued in 1954. In this code, our hubbard provides a Scientologist with guidelines for fighting for human rights and justice through social reform. It's a vital code for any Scientologists active in the community. The code was revised in 1969 and again in 1973 and is given here in its final version. So it says as a Scientologist or independent Scientologists in this case I pledge myself to the code of Scientology for the good of all one, to keep Scientologists, the public and press accurately informed concerning Scientology, the world of mental health and society.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think this is really good because we do this podcast Scientology Outside the Church. You know ALGP, independent Scientology. We do this podcast because we want to keep the public and those who want to watch the podcast on this podcast accurately informed concerning Scientology, the world, the mental health and society. We want to keep, and so we do talk about things that's going on in society. We do talk about things that's going on in life, we talk about finance, we talk about health, we talk about relationships. We talk about these things because this is real world stuff and we want to make sure that, as Scientologists, we keep the public accurately informed concerning the subject of Scientology.
Speaker 2:And it's important to note. Mental health is a broad subject, far broader than it was in Hubbard's day. I mean, it's really spread out into a lot of things and, as he predicted, it's spread out into pharmaceuticals as well, and that is something that you know we have some pandemics going on across the planet dealing with. Well, it's just safe to say that if you're addicted to a controlled substance, we're talking about some sort of a mental health issue. You have an addiction, and there are lots of those going on in a pandemic format right now and this is something we've talked about in the other podcasts is that so many people approach us with drug addictions, whether it's Adderall or it's Chinese fentanyl or it's morphine or it's, you know.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's just constant and incessant, and this is, this is what's going on, and that's one of the reasons why we do this podcast, like you said, is to keep people informed about this stuff. So that brings us to number two. Yeah number two Go ahead, you want to do that one.
Speaker 3:Yeah. So number two, to use the best I know of Scientology, to the best of my ability, to help my family, my friends, groups and the world. So we're using this like this is something that you operate with, and it's not just in a course rule or it's not just an oddity. This is something you use.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's that's that's a funny thing, that that that you run into a lot of the time is and I want to make this a really fine point I'm going to use a sharp pencil here. A lot of people read the Scientology Dianetics Tech and they tend to apply it to others, but they tend to omit applying it to themselves. You see that a lot. You know talking about that.
Speaker 2:Me, I mean you. Well, whether it's, I mean, the obvious one is is ethics, conditions and stuff like that. They'll apply ethics to other people or they'll apply what they think is knowledge, responsibility and control to somebody else. But the thing is, is they? For some reason there's a disconnect there. You see that a lot with the corporate church Scientologists about, you know the, the tone scale and the acquisition of Mast and he who has the most toys wins and all this sort of thing, and and that's a prime example of that Because, yeah, they've got a backwards, they've got the have do be instead of the be do have. So another reason why we do this podcast and I'm not just just an obvious, simple example is we're trying to help people and give them information to where they can look into it themselves for their friends, their family groups, mankind, that this stuff works and it applies.
Speaker 2:Society is going down the chute rapidly. It's going a lot faster than it was 10 years, especially 20 years ago in my estimation. And it isn't, you know, all those teens and that darn loud music. It's not, you know, get off my lawn, you know, it's not. It's not that. It's not that we're getting older and we're seeing things differently. It's that we have. We have comparisons that what is what's the latest generation? It's not was what comes after millennials.
Speaker 3:Gen Z. Actually, I think it's like Jim do or something like that.
Speaker 2:Well, and that's. That's the thing. They don't have anything to compare to the way life used to be. You know how was life? How was life in Alabama when you were a kid? It was a was a lot less hectic. You weren't tied to a smartphone, that's sort of a thing.
Speaker 3:Oh it's called generation alpha. Generation alpha is also known as generation COVID, following Gen Z, if people born in 2010 to 2024, making them the first generation born in the 21st century. Interesting.
Speaker 2:I learned something, so we're trying to yeah, we're trying to pass this on to the alphas and the Z's.
Speaker 2:you know that, that this is how Scientology used to be you know, giving, giving them examples, and the thing that they know is Scientology is not Scientology. I barely recognize LRH is original Scientology in the corporate church at all. Not all of them. There are some really nice people in the church, but you see an awful lot of caustic personalities. I mean mine, you know. Give me your money, you know I'll stomp on your head as long as it gets me across the river to get my goal. You know that that type of a thing and that's been coming on for the last 30 years I saw it a little bit, even in the late 80s, and we're trying to use Scientology to the best of our ability to help our family, friends, groups and the world the way Hubbard intended it to be. That's, that's the whole point. There's Scientology, the subject, and then there's the corporate church of Scientology.
Speaker 2:They are two entirely different things and it's it has to do with affinity, empathy. It's not cold and clinical. It's like hey man, what's going on? Let's, let's, let's take care of you. Here's some data you know, and let me check back in with you tomorrow. So you're doing semi attacks. Let me know how it's going in an hour or two or something like that. It isn't all your PTS and you're a pariah, get out of my space. You're affecting my inflow. I mean, you see, you see that stuff all the time in the church. Geez, yeah, yeah. So that that leads us to number three. Three, to refuse to accept for processing and to refuse to accept money from any pre clear group.
Speaker 2:I feel I cannot honestly help, boy, I've done that, yeah, and you know it's, it's, it's not hard. It's not hard because when, when, when I didn't do that and I thought well, create more problems, yeah, yeah, well, you know, let's see what I can do. And you know, it's just no, no, and you have to keep your integrity in. And it's, we don't do it for money. We're not doing this to get rich, we're not. You know, we want to keep the lights on and everything like that and have a decent quality of life. But you know, if you don't think that you can help somebody I mean, the definition of responsibility is is twofold from Hubbard it's, you know, to do something or sometimes to do nothing at all. That's number three.
Speaker 2:Number four you want to do that one.
Speaker 3:Sure To decry and do all I can to abolish any and all abuses against life and mankind. This is huge To decry and do all I can to abolish any and all abuses against life and mankind. Like to to understand this as independent Scientologists. Like it's still a part of our code to abolish these abuses, to do what we have to do in order to keep this from happening in life and against mankind in our personal interpersonal relationships and our workplaces, in our homes and our lives. Like we have to do all that we can to abolish this and to decry against any of these abuses. Like we don't get to go into our little, you know, cocoon bubble of I'm on course and I'm getting auditing and totally disconnect, I think already talks about being in the ivory tower, you know. Like yeah, no, that's not how it works. Like life be life and we got to be being so.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's that's an ongoing thing. And I'm going to go back to the corporate church. During COVID, the corporate church, I mean, they, they, they were given orders at the local class five organizations that they had to manually disinfect all of the walls on a daily basis. Think about that. Yeah, and some of these organizations with these big buildings and everything. So what I see there is is I see I see Miss Kavage not doing number four. I'm sorry if it's unpopular and you, you think we're tinfoil hat people or whatever. You're more than welcome to stop listening to this podcast and unsubscribe or, you know, leave us a nasty message or whatever. But I think it's pretty obvious now that COVID was a sham.
Speaker 3:It was a mess.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was a mess and it was a manipulation of global proportions that we have not here to foreseen prior, and I will decry abuses against life and mankind and this is one one step in a series of step, and it was a. It was a huge step in. Let's see how much bullshit we can feed them and how much they'll eat Right.
Speaker 3:And to prep them.
Speaker 2:For the for.
Speaker 3:The for the next thing. There you go, there you go, and so, and so I hear by, I hear by decry you know those kinds of abuses as well, because it's just not, it doesn't work. And you know, we want to. We want to make sure that we're trained and had it enough in order to be able to effectively abolish any and all abuses, because we want to make sure that we're capable of doing that. So that's why I'm here.
Speaker 2:That's right. That's right and that ties into number five to expose and help abolish any and all physically damaging practices in the field of mental health. Have you seen, have you seen, the statistics and we've talked about this with our, our, our personality tests as well have you seen the statistics of the profits of the mental health field post COVID? No, this guy rocketed, I can imagine. So it's that. Okay, you see something going on problem reaction solution. Who benefits from that? Well, they, they. They obviously did in the pharmaceutical companies, obviously did. So we're, you know, we've. We've tried to expose another podcast and bring this whole thing up, that you are being manipulated as a society as a whole. And we went from 60 to 65% of our personality tests saying that a person was PTSD out of the gate when they finished the personality test. Now it's 95% of the OCA's personality tests that we get that have a low D column below positive 32. And when I say low, I mean way low below zero.
Speaker 2:And sometimes you know 2030 in the negative after, after COVID. So we're trying to expose this and say look open your eyes. You know this is, this is what's going on here, and you don't have to be the adverse effect of a society that wants you to be happy owning nothing and you'll like it. This is this is. This is a this is.
Speaker 2:This is a mental health issue. We're more and more seeing a globalistic mental health manipulation and we're going to continue to point this out in every way that we can and get people independent Scientology the way Hubbard intended it to be, and that this stuff works and it makes you an aware, critical thinker to where you can look at these things going on and you can point this out to your friends and family, like we were talking about earlier. You've got to be able to see it yourself, and first step is education, and that's what we're trying to do, and and and not become the adverse effect of it or not become effective, not succumb to it.
Speaker 3:Right, like like that's a thing, right Like where you are capable of seeing it and be like God. This, this is like. A lot going on is crappy, but then not going down tone because of it, right, not getting like into this whole space of of I can't do anything. Apathy or fear about it, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, the solid seriousness, like Hubbard says, you know, he says look, this is a deadly serious activity that we're doing and it was. It was interesting, if I can take, if I can take a side note for a second, and, if you want me, if we need to edit this out and it goes too far sideways, let me know and I'll let it get out of the podcast.
Speaker 2:But when we were doing the, the, the four way zoom call with, with all of our solo one-course students the other day, and, and, and you you were part of those four people it really hit home with me when we were doing the word clearing and all of that, and there was this, this this is spree decor kind of feeling that there was this group, this group feeling that I hadn't felt for a really really long time.
Speaker 2:And I found it very interesting when we you know what I'm talking about, right, I think so when, where we were, we were doing a demo of the star rate checkout on technical degrades and yeah, I remember that, yeah, and it just it just really hit me how, being in a group of people and everything and and having this technology, it it is serious clearing words, making sure that that that people understand it, and having standard tech and watching you know, watching you guys work, work together and you clearing words, the words and all that stuff. It was profound for me.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was profound for me too, right, right, especially the words I had to clear. I had to clear time, right.
Speaker 2:Wait what Right? But you know, and, and, and I also and and this isn't a throw, a throwing you under the bus thing or anything like that, it was just here I am with these three guys that are on their solo course. Two have done the student hat, you've done the basic study course and we're clearing one of the references that is in every check sheet in Scientology about degrading the technology, and that, to the degree that you know this information and you that you apply it, it just really really hit me that I have to keep doing what I'm doing, you have to keep doing what you're doing, they have to keep doing what they're doing, because there's a sanity here.
Speaker 2:There's a sanity here, that goes overlooked when you're dealing in a virtual situation, and I thought I need to do this sort of thing more to get this across to people and we need to record it. We need to put it in the podcast of us doing star rate checkouts with people, because the people hear in the podcast, people hear about this stuff, but they don't see it in action. It's sort of like, well, an engine has eight cylinders and it has this and you know and you're like okay, so it gets me to my destination, thanks, bye. It needs to be more than that, and when people actually see this technology being applied.
Speaker 2:It gives them some insight into the fact that this technology might just do what it's supposed to do, and that's clean up mental health for people, because you don't see this anywhere else on the planet. And in sermon, pastor Jonathan is going to turn it back over to Pastor.
Speaker 3:I think it's beautiful the way you spotted that and you pull it to a place where my own ethic level and my own responsibility level goes up dramatically, because I see the workability of it, I see why this is necessary and I think that's why it's so important to have mental health. That is something that you become so much more clear about when you're sitting and doing this course and you're doing this working. You're getting this stuff in because, like I got, there's no way I cannot speak that I know what I know and see how it can help somebody to improve their life or improve their condition. Like shame on you. You know me if you know right, like you know what you know and you know how this can help and and say nothing, you said nothing, absolutely not. Which brings us to number six. Yeah, to help clean up and keep clean the field of mental health Fantastic.
Speaker 2:Yeah, fantastic, yeah. And you, in one of the ways we do that is is the website, the podcast, pointing these things out. I don't, I don't beat college and the college, yeah, our college website. Yeah, I don't beat this, this drum much. But you know, there's something to be said that if you, if you take the time and you're, you're honest with yourself and you actually just do one of our free courses and you start to apply that data and you find out that it's true for you, you can see how we clean up the field of mental health.
Speaker 2:Because from from, from my viewpoint I can't speak for you, quentin, but I think I can the the, the field the field of mental health is is slowly usurping the self determinism and pan determinism away from the world populace, slowly but surely chipping away at it with all of these new mental disorders. In fact, one of them I'm going to send you the link was on tick tock Last night and the night before. There's a mental disorder and I'm not going to get into the tinfoil hat side of it, but there's a new mental disorder that 75 people on the planet have. That and I don't believe this for a minute. I think there is another agenda here that people are seeing people with demonic faces and they have the drawings and everything and it showed up.
Speaker 2:It showed up on two different local news feeds. You know from local affiliate stations in the United States and if you've ever looked on YouTube you can see they. They span out with all of these affiliate stations and they're all saying the same script of news All at once. Now.
Speaker 3:Yeah, please yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's, it's fantastic and that's what we're trying to do is clean up mental health, because one of the reasons I don't want to bring this up real quick because we haven't talked about this and this is super important, and this has to do with number six Currently they're trying to abolish tick tock in the United States. It doesn't app.
Speaker 2:Okay, well, we got an election coming up and then we got a lot of other people uh, senators have been caught out by people posting things on tick tock and everything and them getting in trouble.
Speaker 2:And these senators are some of the ones that are pushing this bill to get rid of tick tock and the people who are down in the United States and almost globally. The narrative is is what the narrative they wanted to be in. Tick tock is one of the last stands where people can draw people together and reach people without it being controlled, and a lot of this has to do with mental health, because when you lie to somebody to control them, that has to do with mental health, something we really need to watch for. And there's a, there's another, there's an open, another open protocol that bypasses anybody trying to control an app like TikTok. It was on TikTok Okay, it's been been developed and everything like that to where maybe they can ban TikTok in the United States, but all you got to do is get a VPN and reinstall that you know from another country and then you've got TikTok again.
Speaker 2:You and I don't have to worry about it, but you know, obviously they're trying to shut down the narrative Right you know to, and that has to do with mental health, and Hubbard predicted this in 1952.
Speaker 2:Once the technology got in the shades of night in that PD, philadelphia Dr, course 23, shades of night. We only have a short period of time before the technology advances to the degree that they enslave all of mankind. I mean it is, and I don't have anything against robots and I don't have anything against AI. I think that's used properly, it can, it could help mental health in a lot of ways.
Speaker 2:People won't have to work crappy jobs but but you can see so fucking just yeah, I mean, you can see that things could go horribly, horribly wrong Really quickly when you have robots that are faster than humans as far as response time, ai I mean, and that, and you know to have to, and I got to say this to the the pharmaceutical companies are throwing money by the billions, with a B billions of dollars, towards AI and at the same time, in the United States, at the same time in the United States, they're they're decrying open source AI LLMs, they're trying to pass.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're trying to pass a law that open source AI are illegal. Why would you do that? Because you want to control the narrative. Meta, google, microsoft, open AI. These are the people that are behind this. They don't want any more competition. They've learned from the competition. They any of the open source models they borrowed from. They took their code and all of this. And now that they've they figured out what with these, the smarter guys are doing, who are out there doing it for the benefit of all mankind and mental health. Now they want to make them illegal because now they can stand on their shoulders and control the and this is the last thing I have to say about this, but about mental health is just like Google doesn't show you things that they don't want to show you.
Speaker 2:When you do a search like Gallerita is the hardest thing to spot is a missing. This same thing is going to happen with AI. Ai is only going to know what they want you to know. That has to do with mental health. If you can't find the information that you're seeking to answer the questions that you have, whether it's philosophically, whether it's educationally, which philosophically it is to, you're being controlled. Your mental health is being controlled.
Speaker 3:Give you that awareness of that knowledge for just your own piece of mind about certain things Right.
Speaker 2:Yeah Right, that's mental health, and that's what we're trying to do and talk about here is because we're applying independent Scientology to the 21st century and we're at at.
Speaker 2:At some point we hope to have an AI that can sit there and you and it can be a, a, a clone or a copy of LRH, taking you in session on book one, or it could be an AI that takes you in session on with your Theta meter and handles you as appropriately, as a human order. And I'm not saying we're trying to replace people, but I'm saying you could really clear a planet quick if you could do that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, if you could get it. You know it's interesting. I was watching a movie and you might be able to go see. I forgot the name of it now I remember as I'm talking, but the guy gets arrested and it's almost satirical, but it was interesting. The guy gets arrested and he goes in and he has to sit down with a therapist, and so this robot was like I'm your, I'm your resident, I'm the resident therapist and I'm here to help you. So tell me what the person's trying to help this guy? Right, and he's like so BS, right, but it's interesting that the direction that is already going and that was a movie came out in the early 2000s, almost 20 years ago right, fast forward to 2025, 2030 and forward 2050.
Speaker 3:Like this is a real thing, that's happening, and how dare we not be prepared as independent scientists, how dare we not be prepared to combat that and to give a healthier, more robust, more real answer to it? Absolutely, clean up the field. And I'm gonna say this, I'm gonna say this just for the record the field of mental health is not just talking about the industry of mental health, right, right, the field is also dealing with activity, Any activities around it, right? So? So when you're talking about the field, this could be your own activities that regard your own. You got to clean it up. You got to clean it up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, that's what KRC is knowledge, responsibility and control. There you go, there you go. You gotta do something about it. We've got a podcast on deck that that Scientology girl and I have been working on and I sent you the data on it about all these weird ideas that people have about independent Scientology. I mean weird, weird ideas. It's like we're in the world. Did you get that? But see, really, yeah, I mean it's just bizarre and and that goes. It goes into mental health. You know, that's fine If you don't, if you don't like the subject, don't, don't, don't talk about it, don't view it, don't read about it. But when you start to get into these weird ideas about things and you don't know anything about it, you start getting into a realm of bashing, another form of mental health. I'm not bashing psychologist.
Speaker 2:I'm not bashing psychiatrist Hubbard Hubbard had has his opinions on it and everything like that. But he also says look, the primary thing with Scientology and auditing is communication. There are some really good, some really good practitioners out there who aren't Scientologists, that are psychologists and psychiatrists, who are practitioners, right, and they they communicate well and they do things for people. They don't push drugs, right, right, there's nothing wrong with that. What's true for you is true for you. But when you start hiding things and you start perverting data and you start attacking things that you don't even understand, who has the mental health issue?
Speaker 3:Who, who crazy.
Speaker 2:Who crazy, right, crazy. Be crazy in Right so and right so. That brings us to seven to bring about an atmosphere of safety and security in the field of mental health by eradicating its abuses and brutality. Brutality comes in many, many forms and so does abuse, and it's so good, the, the, the abuses and brutality. It's a very, very fine line in mental health when you have somebody that is is fat shaming somebody on Facebook. You have somebody that's bullying a teen to the point to where they want to kill themselves or kill themselves and and nothing's being done about it. You and I both you and I both spent a lot of time on Facebook and we've had had our run ins with people and everything and you send it to Facebook and Facebook is like we don't care, we don't see the problem with this. There wasn't any hate speech here, what?
Speaker 3:This person called me everything but a child of God.
Speaker 2:Right, and there's a quote that that that Zuckerberg was quoted in saying that people, the people that work for him, that matter, or formerly Facebook, were saying, look, we need to do something about this, this infighting and everything. And he says don't you say that to?
Speaker 3:me again.
Speaker 2:Leave it alone, because it keeps people coming back. People are watching. Yeah Right, everybody loves a train wreck. That's why the, the on YouTube and everything like that. You know it's, it's all of these controversial titles, and you know it's, it's. It's like it's just like the tabloids at the at the grocery store and everything that's. What we're trying to handle here is, I will admit, we put controversial titles on our YouTube videos to get you to listen to it and go oh, wait a minute, it's something else, because that's the only thing people will. You know if it isn't a train wreck. They're not interested because they have the attention span of a goldfish. Yeah, I said it, or less, and my dogs have a better attention span than some people.
Speaker 3:That's a mental health issue. That's a mental health issue, that's right. It's a healthy, like I'm not talking about, like freaking ADHD and bullshit like that. What I'm talking about.
Speaker 3:I mean, I say bullshit because people be people, but I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the fact I'm not. I'm talking about the fact that one cannot hold their attention on something with their own self determinism for a duration of time as to resolve the matter, or whatever. It's too too, too scattered, too squirrel, you know like, yeah, something distracts them, something shiny rolls down the road and you got to take a look at that. It's so much. And so being able to, like you know, bring about a sphere of safety, atmosphere of safety and security, like this, is what we're talking about. I'm glad you brought up bullying, because I think I do want to do a podcast on that, absolutely On bullying and and our, our response to that, because I think that would be huge, because we are in the sphere of trying to bring about that atmosphere of safety and security.
Speaker 2:So yeah, in our, in our own way, you know, with our, with our subject, technology topic, whatever you want to call it. But you know, safety and security is because you have an affinity to reality. Communication and understanding is something and to the degree that you feel safe and secure is to the degree that you go up the tone scale and Scientology the emotional tone scale. If you don't feel secure, you're down the tone scale, in fear or hiding at worst.
Speaker 2:Wow, wait, wait, say that again, say that again to the degree, to the degree that you don't feel safe and secure is to the degree that you're out of ARC with your environment and you're going to be down in fear. Okay, and this comes with, this comes with mental health is you're dealing with a media that wants to keep you and Hubbard talked about this decades ago the dangerous environment. If we make the environment dangerous enough for them, they'll listen to us and we can continue to lie to them. And then you drop down into the lower bands of the tone scale. I'm looking at the tone scale here at the office, bottom of the tone scale. Well, hiding, what would we do, covid?
Speaker 3:Hi everybody here, from everybody, everybody got masked and UV suits and the stupid dog in here. That's right it was just crazy.
Speaker 2:And while we were all in hiding and I can't speak about anywhere else other than where I was while we were all in hiding right up the street and out in front of my apartment complex in Kansas City, missouri, what were they installing? Everybody else is indoors. They were installing 5G access points and towers on the street lights and everything like that, because that was a big part of it. I'm not going to go any further than that.
Speaker 3:Well, yeah, you and I are talking about that separately, but I will say this it's interesting because I love what you say To the degree that you don't feel safe and secure, to the degree you go downtown, right, and you are out of ARC with your environment, because I was just talking to somebody about Maslow's hierarchy of needs, right, you know the whole thing, yeah, and that's what that person was aware of and we talked about it and I'm like, when you feel safer in your environment, you can actually go up, like when you feel fear or threat or angst or anxiety and all this stuff going on or whatever it actually keeps you suppressed and that is abusive. It's abusive and the people who perpetuate that kind of fear-mongering or whatever you want to call it is abusive and it is our job to make that go away, eradicate it Right.
Speaker 2:We have to point it out at a minimum.
Speaker 3:At a minimum. Yeah, correct, number eight. It says to support true humanitarian endeavors in the field of human rights. Love this, mm-hmm. I love this, like somebody or people who are doing truly humanitarian things to help people's life be better. We, as scientists, as independent scientists, we support humanitarian endeavors, true humanitarian endeavors in the field of human rights.
Speaker 2:Right, greatest, greatest good for the greatest number.
Speaker 2:You got to help. Third and fourth dynamic. You know, you don't just. You know, I mean mine it, that was my whole point. And you don't. I mean, you know the church does the whole volunteer minister's thing and they send people in and in yellow jackets with yellow tents and all this stuff. But that's you know, and I'm not saying that that's bad. You know, if they're doing touch assist, I don't really know, but to me it sounds like a PR, more of a PR event than it does.
Speaker 2:What used to happen with, like CCHR, citizens' Commission on Human Rights and things like that, and they really at that point in time 30 years ago, were standing up David versus Goliath in. You know, as far as Ritalin goes in schools and things like that, that they could prescribe Ritalin to your kid without even telling you. You know that's a humanitarian endeavor and I mean you could go on and on and on and on. I mean you could, you could train people on touch assist and nervous assist and bring back to life assists. You could, I mean, or you could just educate people, humanitarian endeavors. If, if I had the money, I would go out into the bush in Africa here and I would go into some of these really remote places and I would teach these kids about study tech. I'd give them all an iPad and I'd sit there and I'd say look nice, you know, the I'm gonna, I'm gonna make you guys the smartest guys and all is in Bob way.
Speaker 2:Mm, hmm, you know these these are the things that that need to be done. Humanitarian endeavors start with education and my estimation, but we need we need to support, not just create, other true humanitarian endeavors as well, whether they're based on Scientology or not, in my estimation.
Speaker 3:Well, I'll tell you this I love what you just said and I support that endeavor. Thank you, you want to do?
Speaker 2:that, having been born on the continent, I have a very high affinity for Africans.
Speaker 3:I love it. I love it, wow, number nine, number nine.
Speaker 2:Yeah, to embrace the policy of equal justice for all. Beautiful. Now I will, and we do, and and I will say that justice is, is, is only necessary when ethics fail to be to be gotten in. Sure, so you can, you can back that up and go if you can try and get ethics in an area you don't need justice. But that again, again, that comes down to education educating on people, people on these, these, these subjects, and telling them about conditions in life, whether they know about it or not, the Scientology axioms, of the Dianetic axioms.
Speaker 2:I've been doing the Dianetic and Scientology axioms for the last two years with, with new PCs, and I'm getting to the point to where I'm going to be able to to actually do. Remember how we were talking about doing a retreat, absolutely, and doing a workshop where we go over the axioms in Dianetics and Scientology, both, both of them, and educating these people on how this stuff works. And if you and if you go over this and you point people out and say, give me an example of you're showing this, I'm getting there, I'm getting the, the, the pitch, so to speak, where I say it almost the same every time you don't need justice when you educate people properly. But justice also is being able to educate people where others are preventing them from being educated on stuff. Now, that doesn't mean they have to believe it was true to them is true for them.
Speaker 2:But if we know we do a retreat and we have people come and and do these, these, these workshops with us and everything, and they walk out in a far, far better position than they, than they were before, because they understand this data and they can go out and do these workshops themselves and do retreats themselves, it spreads rapidly. So you know that's, that's a form of justice and it's a little left attorney.
Speaker 3:But there we have no hold on a second. You heard it here, folks Jonathan Burke, executive director of A O G P, has made it clear as lay out a whole plan, a whole vision for things that we could do and we will be doing in order to put these justice in and make things go right. So I am 100% backing that and I want to say that any of you who are listening and want to pur the policy, to embrace the policy of equal justice for all, to support humanitarian endeavors in the field of human rights, like if you, if that rings true to you, get in communication with us, talk to us, let us know what you need. There's one which you want to do this know how how we can, how we can make all this happen, because we do truly support it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we, we, we, we, we want to do the pay it forward thing and you know, go go forth and deliver this data yourself under your flock type of a thing and get it across, and you know, this is how you do it. This is, this is the blueprint for this thing, to where you can go out and you can get get justice applied to, where we don't have a bad education system in any country in the world and so on.
Speaker 2:But before the doors close. We need to get this thing off the ground. So number 10.
Speaker 3:Sorry, number nine, number nine Two wait, no, where are we? Number 10, 10 to work for freedom of speech in the world.
Speaker 2:Oh boy there's a big one.
Speaker 3:That's right.
Speaker 2:Right, right and that, and that means that nobody should be shamed into suppression.
Speaker 3:Mm, hmm.
Speaker 2:Okay, you guilty until innocent until proven guilty instead of guilty until proven innocent, right, and you should be able to say your piece.
Speaker 3:Absolutely, but is it shame? Is it shame a thing like isn't shame based on withholds? Yeah like what like.
Speaker 2:Well, it's based on withholds because, like LRH says, the biggest overt of all is to make somebody wrong for their, their own over its period, and what I'm, oh and why. And that comes from the State of man Congress 1960. Find it on our website, mm. Hmm, yeah, through SoundCloud. The other thing is is that the only reason? Same same lecture series? The only reason that a person criticizes another person is to minimize their own over its against them, to make them an easy target. Oh, you know, he's a piece of shit anyway. That's why people criticize people. Now.
Speaker 2:I'm not, I'm not, I'm not saying that and I'm going to go here. I'm not saying that somebody shouldn't have one of these women shouldn't have stood up and said Bill Cosby raped me and drugged me. That's different, okay, that's different. Okay, now, innocent until proven guilty. But I mean, you know, we all know the story there and everything like that.
Speaker 3:That's not, that's not shaming to criticize so but to say again to criticize another thing for their own over their own over.
Speaker 2:It's because what you're doing, what criticism is is, is that you're trying to minimize the over that you committed against them by saying, well, they're a piece of shit anyway, right, so it doesn't matter to me, and you did this anyway, and you did it, and so by, by doing that, you're, you're right you're.
Speaker 3:You're listening your own over some with holes because you want to make them a target. I get that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and so what you see every day in the media.
Speaker 3:So, that being said, then, by helping a person get off their own over some with holes, they are less susceptible to shame. Well, that's right.
Speaker 2:That's right, because you can't be shamed if you feel good about yourself and you know that your integrity is high. Duh, right, right, you know, but you don't know that you have over it's and withholds and this technology is not. It's not just groundbreaking, it is a fact. It is a fact. When I do L 11 on somebody, my biggest problem, my biggest problem is once they get done with handling their over it's and withholds on L 11. They just want to go play. They just want to go play and I have the hardest time getting them back on the bridge because they're there like. They're sort of like the kid that couldn't walk in his legs wearing braces like a force pump, and all of a sudden the braces came off and they can go run and and he runs down the road and all of his braces fall off and he you know it's it's literally. That's a great analogy of it is they just want to go play because they're so unencumbered by these withholds that they had to pull back because they felt like they did something as somebody else that they went into agreement with. And they're not that person and they cleaned up the things that they did and they're really themselves. I just got goosebumps. This stuff works Okay.
Speaker 2:And to work for freedom of speech in the world, you have to unencumber people to to, to be able to speak their truth, their, their peace and and and flourish and prosper across their dynamics. Because all beings are basically good. The goodness is really buried pretty deep in some individuals the top 1% of the 1% globally but that's the thing is. We can't let them suppress these good. I want to go plays in people that when people want to go out and help people, they want to go out and be creative. They want to make people smile, make people laugh. You know, because that's that's the effect and it's a Scientology Act and is the greatest impolation of a thing is to go out and cause an effect, a good one.
Speaker 3:That's freedom.
Speaker 2:That's freedom of speech Period. Go out and cause and effect. What are you doing when you're speaking? You're causing a fact. So that brings us to 13.
Speaker 3:To help Scientology? No, we're not 11.
Speaker 2:11. I'm jumping forward to the to actually decry the suppression of knowledge, wisdom, philosophy or data which would help mankind, not just independent Scientology.
Speaker 3:Mm, hmm.
Speaker 2:You know what's true for you is true for you is that it's Hubbard was the greatest distiller of information I think the planet has ever seen, at least in this iteration, and he saw that there was valid data in many, many areas of knowledge, wisdom and philosophy, or just data alone, and he could collate that data and go Okay, this is true, this is not true. But the thing is is Scientology doesn't have all the answers, it just gives you the ability to find the answers, and I think that that's the best definition of knowing how to know is you know what's true and you know what's not true, and you know how to separate those out. And there there are lots of valuable pieces of data. There's so much information that has come to light Since Hubbard passed away. I mean, they just recently said last was the last week or the week before, that plants are sentient beings.
Speaker 2:Yes, let me say that again, plants are sentient beings. They can see, they can hear, they can feel. Wow. And and the picture I just went and looked for a picture of LRH to use on a post in the college the other day and there's always that picture there of him putting an emeter on a plant. This was in 1963, 1964. He did this. I remember that picture and people are like what a nut, what a crackpot. And they just came out and said the plants are sentient beings in 2024. Who's the nut in the crackpot now?
Speaker 3:I love it. I love it. Well, I think what's also interesting too is it's talks about the suppression of knowledge, wisdom, philosophy and data that you know. They've kind of gone back to the book burning, book burning, book bannings. They've gone back to this whole thing of like just castle culture. That's the thing, like all this stuff, where, where, where, anything that violates one's sensibilities or whatever it may be, has to be, you know, has to be, a support of suppression. And it goes back to number one, number 10, rather, work for the freedom of speech in the world. So these are things that we stand for as independent Scientologists, like we want you to be able to speak freely If you want to post something.
Speaker 3:Post it on comment, you can comment. You ain't never seen it on any of the comments. You can go back and read comments on all of our book. You ain't never seen. On any comment. We don't say like that, you can't be it. We very gingerly and happily respond Because we need to, like you know, and so so we want you to be able to communicate freely and anybody who has an issue with that comment about it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you know that's that's the whole thing. Is that suppression of knowledge, wisdom, philosophy or data? That's to me that's the biggest overt any society can do to their people. Yeah, I mean, that's huge. Without, without those things, what have you got? You got? You got nothing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean I remember you talking on a podcast about technology, like I think it was about a car that was powered by water. I mean you talk about a lot of stuff, that that that has been suppressed. I think you talked about free energy before. Yeah, yeah, a lot of stuff, and so I think it's huge. Let's continue, though. So number 12 is to support the freedom of religion. Of course, that's very self explanatory. We definitely support the freedom. You don't have to be a Scientologist religiously, as it were. I think most Scientologists don't even consider themselves a religious Scientologist, more so somebody who practices and works with a applied religious philosophy, but we definitely encourage and want to support the freedom of religion.
Speaker 3:And so, whoever you are, whatever groups you come from, you can steal you Scientology to better your life experience, because I think L R he's talked about how we're not really so much interested in the why, but the how right right If it gets you there baby, it gets you there.
Speaker 3:It gets you, you'll get it, but but, but if you're why? To your own religion. You know I live in Malaysia, so a lot of you know Muslim and Hindu. Like in your own religion, I can have a very wonderful conversation with people of all religions Because because, number one, I support your religious freedoms. And number two, like I have interest, I'm interested in you, I'm interested in what your point on it, me too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, you know, let's, let's sit down and have some bubble tea and let's get going and talk about this. I love it. So, number 13, to help Scientology orgs and groups ally themselves with public groups.
Speaker 2:Well, and that's what we were talking about, about going out into the bush Independent Scientology, you know, and I have to make that differentiation and I hate that I have to do that, but I have to because they aren't one and the same thing and you have to differentiate. But you know, we want to get, get the data out there and what's true for them is what's true for them and I want to know their data, just like we were saying with bubble tea, Tell me about this. You know, I sat down at length with the indigenous people in North Dakota and had long, long conversations with them and I thought, Damn, these guys have the same viewpoint I do. Why didn't I know this before? You don't know until you talk. You don't know until you talk to people.
Speaker 3:How would you ever know head to people in the bush Right?
Speaker 2:Yeah would you do?
Speaker 3:it Right.
Speaker 2:All right, they get it.
Speaker 3:I want to say something. I want to say something that, too, though you know, obviously this podcast is called Scientology outside the church, and so, again, anyone who's listening know that that's the perspective that we come from, because we see the difference right. We see that there's a difference in corporate versus independent, and so just understand that, as we're reading these and as we're going through this stuff, we're giving it to you as others who are interested in Scientology outside of the church, and so notice it doesn't say here the church itself, but it talks about Scientology origin group. So that means that, as a business, for example, you could be.
Speaker 3:I was working for a business in Minnesota that was a mortgage company, but the mortgage company used LRH tech, admin tech, and was very, very successful doing it right, using admin tech, and that would be a group, that would be an organization, that would be somebody who says I'm using Scientology and I want to help my business. I want to help you know, the people who work for me, the whole bit, and so you still qualify, you know, and we want to ally you know them with with public groups. We want to get them ally with other organizations that are how do you, how do we connect that? So, please, if you are a business, or if you're a dentist, if you're a chiropractor, if you're, you know whatever and you want to use admin tech in your business, if you want to get some help with that, by all means, this is the place to do it, as an independent Scientology can help you.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, and you know we'll point you in the right direction. And just you know pro bono and say here's, here's where you need to get started and the rest is up to you. And then you can do the basic study course for free. You can, you can go from there and if you you want some consultation on it, we have rates for that and we can help you, help your business, your organization, flourish and prosper. You just just ask, it's all there.
Speaker 3:Yes, Number 13, to help Scientology, or, oh sorry, number 14, 14,. To teach Scientology at a level it can be understood and used by the recipients. My favorite To teach Scientology at a level it can be understood and used by the recipients. This is actually a part of the code of being a Scientologist, of a Scientologist. This is a part of the code Like like this is not this, and I was telling you before, this is not this ivory tower kind of thing where only this elite of know what this thing is and you peons couldn't possibly like. No, we want this to get so distilled.
Speaker 3:I think you said the word distilled before, but so available that it's at a level that's can be understood and used by those who seek the knowledge.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you can't. You can't be an elite, and that's unfortunately. That's what's happened with parishioners in the church is just, you wouldn't do that. It's above and beyond. You Don't talk to me, Move that cell phone away from me, Be gone. You know that's and that's it's. You see it, it's just way too many videos on YouTube with that particular behavior and you know I mean there are. There are Scientologists that are protesting outside of big blue over on sunset in Hollywood for reform to the church, reform.
Speaker 3:Do I know that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, do I think it's. It's gonna have that the church is gonna reform? No, because over a billion, billion dollars in the bank account. You don't need to. Yeah, new peons know not of what it is that we do. We do not need Right See, that's the thing. And L R H says when that happens, you need to start over again.
Speaker 3:Yeah, wow, this is the. So there's a reformation. Oh, this is. This is really interesting, and I tell people this.
Speaker 3:Let me say something because people have a lot to say about Scientology, the subject, and I say you know, you got to understand. When you look at Hinduism, you know 5000 plus years old or maybe longer than that, 2000 plus years. Though, when you look at certain religions and certain of viewpoints, catholicism even, like you look at these things, they've been around for centuries, right. When you look at Scientology as a subject, like the full body of breadth of knowledge, of Scientology as a subject on planet Earth, the way it's been compiled, it's been what? 70 plus years, 75 years almost, like like there's, there's still this, there's so much to unpack and so much to evolve as it relates to the organizational side of things, and so we, as independent Scientologists reformation is whatever you want to call us we see something different and we want to make sure that we get this to the public, to recipients who are reaching for this knowledge on whatever level, need for change, hope, help, like, who are reaching for this on whatever level. We want to get it to people in a way that they can understand it and use it.
Speaker 3:This is why all the courses are online. This is why the stuff is a bit. You can get it. You gotta go down to the local big building down the street because it's pretty. You you can go right in your bedroom, you can go right on your laptop, you go right on your tablet and you can get the data. You can get the tech and you can use it in your life. This is huge.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I like to liken it to the original, not the more recent one, not that he wasn't doing the same thing, but the original. Martin Luther of Lutheranism. Yes, and what you know, the posting on the doors and all of that, well, you know, posting on the doors, having a website, having a podcast, we're posting on the doors 2034 version right.
Speaker 2:Right. Right, we're asking for a reformation and basically where we're at is where the original Scientology was in the 50s. It's the right, it's the old West type of the thing. Until we can reform and I'm not and I'm not saying it's clear clear to me that third dynamic aberration is a real thing in groups of course in groups and, like he, what he talks about in keeping Scientology working.
Speaker 2:number one is that the best things that have ever been created on this planet are have been created by an individual, not a group, and that's that's sort of the direction we're headed with. The virtual org type of a thing is that you keep it pure and you keep that data there and you can and, like you know, we're doing workshops where you say, you know, maybe it's a husband and wife team at most and go, go go forth and create your own flock and pass this stuff on and and pay it forward. You have. It has to be done at a level that people can understand and it occurred to me that just clearing basic definitions of Scientology, auditing and everything wasn't cutting it for pre clears because they didn't understand.
Speaker 2:I mean, scientology is great that you can audit somebody and they don't even have to believe that it works and it works. It works, but if they understand the underpinnings of it, the, the axioms of Dianetics and Scientology and you really spend the time I spent between eight and 15 hours with people going over these axioms there's all together is about 270 of them they then understand and start to apply it. You're. You're creating somebody that now understands auditing to the degree that they're like I could do this too. I get it. I see how this could be.
Speaker 2:But, you know you have to cut it down to these little bits of information, the action. You know the, the urge to survive, is the greatest urge that a being has. It's one of the first ones in Dianetics. And that's paraphrase, poorly paraphrase, but you have to get it across to people and it needs to be understood. You know you can't dazzle them a baffle with bullshit. You have to dazzle them with brilliance and get it down. You know like what was it? Martin Luther King, the more recent one, the way that he put things.
Speaker 2:He was so good at putting things in a way that people, that people could metabolize it and think with it without talking down to them, right? Hubbard does that so so well in so many places. Not the technical stuff, but the, the, yeah, the beginning stuff, fundamentals of thought, new slang on life, that type of thing. So this is something that that we endeavor to do, and not cut people off from us and say well, like you said, you know, we know it all and you know nothing, we're far better than you 15.
Speaker 3:And I love and I love what you said. Last thing on this I love what you said when you said about the virtual putting the letter on the door of the corporate church or whatever. Like what we do, we do very unapologetically, like we use our real names Like we're. Like we're unapologetic and unfearful and unmoved by what other people might be felt differently about. I don't know what. You know how to be the feel, but so when we, when we do these podcasts and we post our stuff on social media and do these things that we do, we're doing it to make a bold declaration of what we know to be true as independent scientists and we're doing it from a perspective that we're not, we're unapologetic about it.
Speaker 2:Like, and you're not going to fear or shame me into silence, suppress me in the silence, no, yeah, and that's that's an important point to make, because there are an awful lot of people out there on an awful lot of subjects that chain people into not communicating when they themselves know nothing of the subject. You know, somebody comes up to me and says, well, your origin story is the OT3 story. No, it's not. Where did you get that Right?
Speaker 2:It's on the internet doesn't make it true. That's not the origin story by any means, and that's why I want to do that podcast is to dispel some of this stuff. Not that they're going to hear it, but you know that's. That's. The silly thing is that there are so many. I mean there's. I mean there was a thing on on TikTok last night about a guy who was in the military and he just hated Muslims and he went into this this when he came back to the US out of the military, he went into a mosque and was planning to blow, put a bomb in there to kill the kill the Muslims, and he was greeted by this woman that was the head of the mosque and he was so, so impressed and taken aback and she showed him the Quran and what it really said that he is now and I'm not using the right term he is now the executive director of that mosque, 30 years later, wow, wow, from blowing it up because somebody took the time to say the truth right, there's no.
Speaker 2:Radical Muslims are radical Muslims. Radical Catholics are radical Catholics. Radical Lutherans are radical Lutherans. They're not the same thing. But you, somebody has to give a shit and sit down and introduce people to these, these things, whether it's independent Scientology or the Muslim faith, the Jewish faith, whatever. Yeah, somebody's got to care and have some affinity for these things and be able to spot this stuff whatever it is, and that's what we try to do in number 14 is so that people it can be understood. That's why we take the time out of our day to do these podcasts. I spent five hours from six o'clock in the morning to 11 o'clock on my only day off on Sunday, working, working on the college, getting me these courses put together and set up now that we have the check sheets, and making sure that everything was understandable by people that are going to see the new online course room and everything out of my own own time.
Speaker 2:So I mean, you know you have to be passionate about it. Get in a course to get something done. Yeah, get in on course.
Speaker 3:Yeah. So number 15, the stress the freedom to use Scientology as a philosophy in all its applications and variations in the humanities. This is huge too, to stress the freedom to use Scientology as a philosophy in all its applications and variations in humanities. There's so many valuable nuggets and so much valuable data that can be used across the board and all the humanities that can be used to benefit. And so we, as independent Scientologists and who live by this code and operate with this code, we do stress the freedom to use that.
Speaker 3:You do it using your business, using your life, using using things that matter to you. Take it to your church. When I was in Atlanta, georgia, I took it to my church. I was a Christian. Y'all know my story. If you don't know my story Christian minister, pastor, the youth minister, the whole bit and I would I would give this tech to my students in the youth church where I grew. I grew just using admin tech, grew the youth church from 13. Well, we had 11. We had 11 students first and then grew it to over 90 students in less than a year just by working this tech and helping them to see so much like they were going to the friends at school, they would invite their friends to come in. So I'm not. So. Listen, be you. What's true for you, a true for you. We support religious freedom, but if you use this right as a philosophy all his applications are all his variations in the humanities, in your it could do something valuable. It's so good.
Speaker 2:I love this Right. Well, as a, as a an opposing example. Do unto others as you would have done unto you. Okay, we have this. The same viewpoint and it's an independent Scientology is you know you treat others the way you want to be treated. I was, you know, whether it's people or animals or the physical universe, I mean, you know it's just because there's a, the name Scientology is on, it doesn't make it bad If it's true, it's true, Right, Whether it's Catholicism, whether it's Muslimism, whether it's Judaism, whether it's, you know, sorry, well, I you know.
Speaker 2:I'm on a roll here. Yeah, right, right, so it's, and you know you have to respect that. If there's some valuable piece of data in there, it's valuable data. Why should you discount it and have a bias towards it? Because if you have a bias towards it, you've probably done something to that, that religion that you wouldn't want done to you. Just maybe to say in interesting to say it. I'll put that right here.
Speaker 3:Okay, so the number 60, you can do it to insist upon standard.
Speaker 2:I can't believe I said Muslimism. I can't believe I just put an 80. 16 to insist upon standard and unburied Scientology as an applied activity and ethics processing, that's, auditing and administration, and Scientology organizations.
Speaker 3:Standard and unburied oh yeah, and that's.
Speaker 2:That's the thing. If you have a workable system, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. This guy this guy spent the better part of 50 years working out this technology and it works. And he says it's not the only thing, the only thing, but it's a workable system and it works. Find out if it works for you. And if it works, why would you want to change it? And this is something that he fought against forever and we won't get into the why's on that. I think it's obvious. But there are those out there who who just want to change things because they want to change things, and you don't need to do that. You have to insist upon standards. Aogp were standard and just like with that word clearing and everything we did the other day on zoom, the four of us, we did that stand standardly and we found words. You didn't know you had misunderstood. I was. I mean you just, it's just. You know. You just have to trust the process.
Speaker 2:And it was so good, and that's, that's the thing, and it's just this tiny little thing, just like you did with your, your, your youth group. I mean, that happened all the time, didn't it? Yeah?
Speaker 3:absolutely.
Speaker 2:Absolutely.
Speaker 3:It was interesting about it too is is that when I look at this as standard and very and it's almost like the first part of us, the human side of us, wants to feel shame around not knowing something right, you don't know that, and that that means you're dumb, or that means you don't know something, you're ignorant or whatever. I don't know how people feel, but for me and this is just my thirst for knowledge or whatever but when I realized I didn't discover it, I was like, oh, I guess I don't know what, and I had to go and really, really clear that word for real, because it was, it had. It blew my mind that I didn't have that, that definition, the way I thought I did. And so I'll just say that, to say that when it's standard and unverified and you're using this technology the way it's intended to be used, you really do get gains from it.
Speaker 3:Not not to not to shame with the skull. You know I was stuck to my 2D. We were talking about in the drills where you use the word flunk, flunk. I already said you know, don't be permissive about that, don't be just wishy-washy like flunk them. To me that's funny, to me it's like I'm not trying to hurt you. I'm trying to help you, you know yeah yeah, you have to let them know.
Speaker 2:No, this isn't. This isn't how this is. Here's the reference. Show them the reference, let LRH do the talking on it. Don't don't water it down, don't change it. That's why verbal data is a bad thing. You get the game of telephone going on. Show them what he says you got, you got a problem with something.
Speaker 2:Take it up with LRH. He either works or it doesn't. This guy didn't say one thing and in something else happened. That's. That's why I do this is because you do what he says. You get what he says you're going to get every time, every time. And if it doesn't happen, I got a misunderstood word, concept or symbol or several of them there because it should work, and I did something differently. And I'm I'm I'm not a holy roller on this, I'm not dogmatic. I'm just saying do what he says, you'll get the results, and the results are beyond anything you've ever seen. For the simplest of things, whether it's a touch assist, whether it's, you know, make a person sober assist, whether it's clearing a word, whatever, you have to do it the way that he says to do it, and all of this stuff. Well, hubbard got this from this place and Hubbard got this from that place. He was a distiller of information. It doesn't matter whose names at the bottom of the reference. Does it work? Okay, use it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's how I feel Because, listen, at the end of the day, I'm not sitting here blowing kisses at the Hubbard, like that's not how it works for me, what. I'm here having a good conversation with my in my relationship. I'm here having a wonderful business that's thriving and flourishing and prospering and making money. I'm here living my life, traveling the world, going on cruises, doing these things I want to do because I enjoy it and how I got there.
Speaker 2:I use the tech, but it is not yeah, one last thing I want to say about this and in between the two of us when you, before you, discovered Scientology and Dynetics Independent Scientology and Dynetics what was your quality of life then to what your quality of life is now and what that relation did, taking that information and using it due to your quality of life.
Speaker 3:So I just had this conversation about 2D, about this right in my relationship. I was saying that for me I was extremely shy. So you guys hear me talking now, right? You hear me talking now and I've spoken on stages in front of a massive amounts of students and people, universities and things like that. But I was extremely shy anxiety, nervousness.
Speaker 3:I wore glasses I had to have when I, when I came out of glasses, I wanted contact lenses. I had to wear they call it Toric lenses because I had really bad astigmatism. I had all this going on. My allergies were killing my butt, all kinds of stuff that was happening. I was literally Steve Urkel.
Speaker 3:Okay, so, if you guys know that character I was, I was like the Steve Urkel of the bunch, but I, after discovering Scientology, after using the tech, after going through communication courses and drills, after using this, now I'm able to speak to you. I'm able to speak in front of massive amounts of people. I'm able to make money with my voice. My voice, my speaking, I'm able to command an audience and get people to do things that would benefit them and help them. I have people who come to me and call on me to get them the help that they need because they want to get out of the conditions they're in.
Speaker 3:And I can always say that by me being good on this and knowing what I'm doing with it, and by me making sure that I apply it in my own life, like it's not something I just read out of a book, right, it's something I actually use. Now we can start to get some real results. So, again, this is about really keeping this stuff standard, unvary, keeping it working, keeping it going, and that's what we wanted to do. I want to go to 17, 18, 19, 20.
Speaker 2:Okay, that leads us, and so did it improve your standard and quality of life, and so, in so doing I'm sorry, I just got the TR3.
Speaker 3:I had to push it again. Okay good, me too. Yes, it absolutely did.
Speaker 2:So that makes you want to do 17, which is go ahead.
Speaker 3:To take my share of responsibility for the impact of Scientology upon the world. Absolutely, I do, yeah, take my share of responsibility.
Speaker 2:Here you are doing a podcast in the middle of the afternoon.
Speaker 3:There you go Me too, it's for me it's 3 o'clock in the morning in America.
Speaker 2:Right, right, 9.25 in the morning in South Africa, right, so that brings us to 18. Increase the numbers and strengthen Scientology over the world. That's why we're doing a podcast and try this, you know. Check this out and use it for yourself. Ask questions, post on YouTube. Come to the website. Watch some of our Scientologist Girl videos. Watch our. We have a couple of the videos for whatever reason and we stopped it. People like our video podcast because it makes us more.
Speaker 3:Oh, the live video.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they like the live videos and they can see that we're uptone and they think of put a face to a voice and all that stuff and that shows them how you can be and that there is a solution. And there is a solution to everything and that's what independent Scientology and Dynetics is about. There is a solution to whatever it is that's going on in your life and if you take this data, you can use it and we're letting you know as passionately but yet as delicately and on a gradient that you can understand that.
Speaker 2:You know you can be happy, you can have a great quality of life you can be doing. Have the things that you want to do.
Speaker 3:I want to just say something on that point. Number 18 again, to increase the numbers and strength of Scientology over the world. Because you know I come from a background, a job of witness, that you know go door to door and knock on. You guys know that. You know go door to door and knock it on door and stuff like that which that's effective for them, right? However, this is to me. This doesn't come from a point of proselytizing, right.
Speaker 3:To increase the numbers of strength of Scientology over the world. It doesn't come from a point of proselytizing, like, in other words, ain't nobody coming knocking on your door trying to tell you, hey, you know, have you heard of it? Like, that's not how it works. However, if there's something going on in your life, well in affairs, if there's something going on in your relationship, if there's something going on in your scene and you need help, we're here and you come and we have a 2A com. We understand what's going on. We give you some tech or some ways of applying it to make it happen for you. We show you the references, we get you going and you can take it back to your I've seen it happen a thousand times. You can take it back to your relationship and make it better. You can take this back to your business and make it better, and if it worked for you there, it can work for you other places.
Speaker 3:And this is to me what number 18 represents to increase the numbers and strength of Scientology over the world. It's not a point of proselytizing, it's a point of if you need help, there's more help. If you need help and more people need help, there's more help now, because now you're using it. Okay, good, so now you can help other people. Now they're using it and it grows that way. That's how it means to me.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying. Yeah, and that's the value of you. Don't do something for money. How you make money is you do something for someone because you want to help them, and when you help others, you and the universe the Theta universe, the physical universe is forced to respond to allow your life to be better and to survive better and have a better level of life than you had before. You shouldn't be good just because you want and I'm just using this as an example you shouldn't be good just because you want to go to heaven. You should be good because you are good and you want to be good.
Speaker 3:You are good and you want to do that. You want to be good and do good, right 19. Number 19, to set an example of the effectiveness and wisdom of Scientology. As a Scientologist, we seek to set an example of the effectiveness and the wisdom that's contained in the subject of Scientology. Like there's wisdom, there's knowledge, and let me say this because I did a whole teaching on wisdom. Let me just say this real quick Wisdom is not just knowledge.
Speaker 3:Wisdom is knowledge plus strategy. So it's knowing something and knowing how to use it. Knowing something and knowing how to apply it, knowing something and knowing how to work with it. So wisdom is different than just knowledge, because when you get the wisdom, you've drilled it over and over and over again. This is why we do drills in Scientology. You drill it over and over again. You've seen it happen with other PCs and clients and stuff in the chair. You've done these things and now it's wisdom. It's not just I know what I'm talking about, because I know what I'm talking about. No, I have a wisdom, I have knowledge with a strategy to help you get to a better result. And so, in my opinion, to set an example of the effectiveness, there you go, and the wisdom, the knowledge and strategy that Scientology can offer to people. It's there to help.
Speaker 2:Right, and wisdom and compassion go hand in hand? Oh yes, absolutely. To me that's the crown jewel in wisdom is to have the compassion to do something about it and be effective in it and present it to people in a way, and present yourself in a way, that you lead by example, and you have to do that. That's wisdom. Lead by example. Don't just talk the talk, walk the walk and be able to take the time out of your day, whether you're making any money with it or not. If you help others, they'll help others, and then it just echoes out across all of the dynamics of survival.
Speaker 3:That's wisdom. I was just about to say help me helping.
Speaker 2:Yeah, help others, help me helping. And that you know. Know that and this is one of the points that Hubbard makes early on in Scientology is that help is a button and you can approach somebody and you can say, look, look, how do you feel about help? And you can tell where somebody is on the tone scale and they go. Well, you know, I don't. I don't think people can be helped because they look at help as betrayal. When you try to help somebody and they're not asking for help and you can see that they need help and that's having compassion and you're being wise about it they distrust you immediately because what do you want from this? You want something from me? I'm just trying to help.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but what you want, though? What's your intentions, what's your, what's your arterial?
Speaker 2:motive. Right Help becomes betrayal, and that's one of the things that you see about the subject of corporate church of Scientology and that they've ruined the term because it's all about money, and I mean, you know, it still blows. It still blows me away and I'm sorry, I know we're running long on this, but I got to say this it still blows me away that, of all of the independent Scientology practitioners that are out there, aogp is, is, is really the only one, and I'm just talking about one website. We spend a lot of money every month putting not just the websites up but paying people to put this data out there for other people to have for free and in such a way that it was presented the way Hubbard intended it. It's the correct information and we're we're. We don't, we don't expect anything in return other than having compassion for our fellow man and or beings and dynamics. That this information is free. Keep it so. That's what he said. I didn't say this, hubbard said this and that we have to have the wisdom that you have to put it out there and let people read it, use it, apply it, not because you're making anything off of it, but because it's the right thing to do. Yeah, we have more and more people every week signing up on YouTube to listen to this podcast, more and more people every week contacting us, wanting help that were in the church or don't know anything about it, because they're like man I have, I have one PC that said I went with you and I contacted you to get auditing after I'd been in the church because I saw that you were, you were doing all these things and giving these things away for free, just because I thought that was profound.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's huge. And that comes to number 20 to make this world a saner, better place. Boom, that's it. Mic drop To make this world a better place. That that's the code. Yeah, that's the code right there, and that's that's all we're trying to do. We're not trying to force feed you on it or anything.
Speaker 2:And if you don't like the subject and you don't see that has any value, it's not true for you Then go find something that is. But that doesn't mean that you should, you should be rated, you should complain about it, try to suppress it and all that stuff. If you don't know anything about a subject, how in the world can you decry it? Right, but people do, wow, yeah, so all we're trying to do is make this world a saner, better place with independent Scientology and Dianetics and giving you the tools free of charge on the website that you can. You can, the tech is there. You can find that it works and then, if you want to do a course or free course, you want to get some auditing. You want to get two free hours of Dianetic auditing? You can try it out. Anybody that does do it with us is blown away.
Speaker 2:Blown away how it can change their life, just with one or two hours of regular old 1950s style Dianetics book, one auditing and you can see that.
Speaker 3:The 1950s.
Speaker 2:It's a 70, almost 74 year old, 75 year old technology that works. Works if you apply it correctly and anybody can sit down. You are a estimate, quentin Stroud. You are a estimate to the fact that you can grab a book and put yourself in a position to where I mean. You know I mean what? The other day you had a gal that was suicidal and you talk, you talked her off a ledge. How many times has that happened just with you, using the Scientology communication formula alone? I bet you it's. It's beyond your toes.
Speaker 3:It definitely works. And let me say this, and that's for me, that's where the rubber really needs to road. I told this story before in another podcast about how this saved my mother's life, because she was having a heart attack and just with two way calm, asking her some questions, you know, and really spotting what it was that was going on with her, stop the heart attack. Again, not making any medical claims for nobody, but I'm just saying what my personal experience was, and so to for me to have this knowledge and these experiences and then just be quiet about it, it don't work for me. It don't work for me. And so you know, I'm so glad that we're here, I'm so glad that you guys are tapping in and tuning in, share this out.
Speaker 3:So if anybody don't just like I don't know about that, and we also say this if you want to reach out but might be a little afraid, if you want to reach out but might be a little concerned, a little cautious or whatever, it's normal that new things are new help becomes betrayal, right, help becomes betrayal. So you like, yeah, are they really going to help me or they're gonna try to pull in on this? And we are very good people, very ethical people, and if you want to reach out to me, feel free. I have no barriers to communication on that. So you can sign on the website. You can find us on the Facebook groups independent science, all the A, l, g, p like. Do that, tap in and get the conversation going and we'd love to just get in the con with you.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, so we're going to close this podcast out. It's a long one, but I think it was a really good coverage of these 20 different codes that we have as independent Scientologists and if you're wondering why we're independent Scientologists, there's 64 other podcasts that get into that and we tried to stay on subject here. We're here to help get in touch with us. That's all we want to do is make your life better and help you make others around you their lives better through the application of this information, if it's true for you.
Speaker 3:So and say no. And I don't know. I don't know too many other group, because a lot of people say we want to help make guys better, make the planet better. How many say say no, yeah?
Speaker 2:that's true. Yeah, when you're, when you're, you're an indestructible spiritual being and you're living in a university is completely opposite of that. Thanks, get a little wacky every now and then, just just just sometimes, and sometimes, yeah, yeah, I mean all I have to do is look at the latest news, whatever. But trust me, trust me, it is, it can and is a happy place, and we can get you there easily just with the information and understanding that information. So take our hand and we will lead you down that path on a gradient approach and give you the data that you need, whatever is going on in your life.
Speaker 2:Ao, hyphen, gporg, the College of independent Scientology, calm, we have a bunch of other websites affiliated with that. Those are the two biggies, and we're also on SoundCloud with all LRH's lectures, transcripts, ai platform you name it. We have all of his data, it's the correct data and it's there for you. Just get in touch with us. So, for Quentin Stroud and myself and the Scientology outside of the church podcast, we'll see you later this week with another installment and we're going to figure out what that that one is. We got a bunch of stuff on that coming for you in the next couple of weeks, namaste, and we love you.
Speaker 3:Peace.