Have you ever stood at a crossroads between honoring a deep-set code and the allure of taking the easier path? Quenton and I grapple with this dilemma, sharing insights from the Independent Scientology Code of Honor and its profound influence on our daily lives. From tales of unswerving loyalty to comrades to unwavering allegiance in all our relationships, we weave in personal experiences that showcase the practicality and transformative power of these principles. Whether it's supporting a friend or making tough decisions in the workplace, our dialogue will illuminate the essence of honor in shaping our interactions and responsibilities.
Through the lens of our own journeys, we reflect on the pillars of support and self-empowerment, dissecting how our actions can uplift others and reinforce the collective success of the communities we're a part of. As trained professionals – be it in auditing or music – we unlock discussions around the impact of ARC and the significance of each individual's contributions. Join us as we navigate the delicate balance of personal ethics and the courage to stand by one's principles, invoking historical figures and personal narratives that exemplify the depth of our convictions.
The podcast culminates with a candid exploration of responsibility, moral courage, and the sometimes misunderstood tenet of 'never fearing to hurt another in a just cause.' We don't shy away from the complexities of living by a code of honor, nor do we ignore the symbiotic relationship between helping others and material success. Quentin's perspectives enrich the conversation, ensuring that our shared journey through the nuanced landscape of ethics and honor is not just heard, but felt. Tune in and let us accompany you on a path to greater self-understanding and empowerment.
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Have you ever stood at a crossroads between honoring a deep-set code and the allure of taking the easier path? Quenton and I grapple with this dilemma, sharing insights from the Independent Scientology Code of Honor and its profound influence on our daily lives. From tales of unswerving loyalty to comrades to unwavering allegiance in all our relationships, we weave in personal experiences that showcase the practicality and transformative power of these principles. Whether it's supporting a friend or making tough decisions in the workplace, our dialogue will illuminate the essence of honor in shaping our interactions and responsibilities.
Through the lens of our own journeys, we reflect on the pillars of support and self-empowerment, dissecting how our actions can uplift others and reinforce the collective success of the communities we're a part of. As trained professionals – be it in auditing or music – we unlock discussions around the impact of ARC and the significance of each individual's contributions. Join us as we navigate the delicate balance of personal ethics and the courage to stand by one's principles, invoking historical figures and personal narratives that exemplify the depth of our convictions.
The podcast culminates with a candid exploration of responsibility, moral courage, and the sometimes misunderstood tenet of 'never fearing to hurt another in a just cause.' We don't shy away from the complexities of living by a code of honor, nor do we ignore the symbiotic relationship between helping others and material success. Quentin's perspectives enrich the conversation, ensuring that our shared journey through the nuanced landscape of ethics and honor is not just heard, but felt. Tune in and let us accompany you on a path to greater self-understanding and empowerment.
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Speaker 2:Hi and welcome to another AOGP Outside of the Church broadcast brought to you by the Advanced Order of Great Plains, that's, us at ao-gporg. This is Season 8, episode 3. We're going to go over the Independent Scientology Code of Honor. Quentin and I are. How are you, quentin?
Speaker 3:Hey, I'm doing fantastic.
Speaker 2:Great. So let's get rolling here. The Code of Honor starts out with. No one expects the Code of Honor to be closely and tightly followed. It's an ethical code that cannot be enforced Again, ethics is a personal thing quickly see produce a considerable deterioration in a person. Therefore, its use is a luxury use which is done solely on self-determined action, providing one sees eye to eye with a code of honor. That's the preamble to it. So number one never desert a go ahead.
Speaker 3:Well, I was going to say even in reading that I kind of chuckled a little bit, because he says no one expects the code of honor to be tightly followed, closely and tightly followed. It's interesting because I follow this very tightly yeah.
Speaker 2:I use it every day.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I use work with, so I just think it's brilliant, but I just chuckle because it's like nobody expects it to be too closely and tightly followed.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it comes up several times a week here at home with with everybody, and it's it's important to to know these in order to well, I mean, you know what? What is honor? Do you have honor? You know, is it? Is it something that you get? Is it something that evolves in you? Me personally, I think you know auditing helps a person's viewpoint on honor. As far as you know, what do I do, what do I not do, and it's typically the things that we run into to. At most is with other people. Excuse me, you know, because, like number one, never desert a comrade in need, in danger or in trouble how many?
Speaker 2:times? How many times have I used that? I mean, it comes up all the time. You know you. You don't just leave somebody standing there. You, you, you, who's a comrade and who's not? Well, most everybody I know is a comrade. Even if they're, you know, I just consider them acquaintance. They're not even doing services with us and stuff. We have people approach us all the time on Facebook asking questions of what do I do in this situation? Your honor is to do something for them if you can, don't you think?
Speaker 3:Absolutely. And I know for me, in my particular work I connect with people and we have this friendship and that's the word I want to use for now. But I think comrade is probably even a better word because it does speak to that, uh, a sense of duty. It does speak to that that thing that you know I'm here for you, uh, consideration versus, you know, my friend, you know sometimes with friendships, you know it can be, can be emotional, and one minute we happy, next minute we sad, one minute we mad, next minute we glad. You know, with the friendship, that kind of thing. But when you have a comrade like this is somebody who you know you're supposed to be there for, and they know they're supposed to be there for you, and that feels very good. And so I love how I already started with that. You know, never desert a comrade in need, in danger or in trouble, because they need you. That's why you're there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that goes in with number two never withdraw allegiance once granted. When do you grant allegiance? Is it because they're an acquaintance, or they're a friend, or they're somebody that does independent Scientology with you, or I mean, you know, and that's where it can be loosely or closely applied. You know, who do you have allegiance to? Some people don't have a lot of you know, they're just like, well, that's their problem. Let them figure it out. I personally and I don't think you personally operate that way. You'll, you're, you're there to take to, to give advice and point things out and and help people yeah, when, when they, when they need it, and in allegiance to me, in a lot of cases I don't even have to know somebody. If they need some help, I consider them my comrade. So it's one and two almost synonymous to me.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think for me, allegiance is a pledge, it's an oath, and so it makes sense that you don't withdraw it once it's granted, like I've made this vow, I've made this oath, I've made this covenant, I've made this pledge, I've done this. And whether it be and this is again true for me but even with past relationships and stuff like that, even if we decided that we weren't going to work out romantically, I still have made an allegiance to you and and to that. To that point, I'm going to be there for you as best I can within the, the, the parameters of my own self-determinism. Um, that I can, that I can feel I need to do, and I've never had any issue in all of my my not all, but many of my exes have been like you know you're, you're different you know right and you know um, it's.
Speaker 2:It's one of those things that came up in a a newer dianetics cycle. Uh, just just the uh how a person's viewpoint can change from when they're um, I was talking to you about this in the chat earlier, how how a person's viewpoint can change with auditing. Where maybe you were, you were siblings, and now you're adult and you look at things and you go I didn't treat them right. I need to do something about that. And auditing changes that viewpoint. Where you might've had a grudge because you had over some withholds on them or you were out of ailments and all of the above as well, but you still have allegiance to people, whether it's on a second dynamic, like a brother or sister or a former beau or what's the opposite, a former husband, wife, boyfriend or girlfriend and you know that's that's the thing that separates out.
Speaker 2:clear to me is that you don't don't have this, let them suffer. You know it's your problem, you fix it, type of a thing oh yeah, I mean you know that.
Speaker 2:That's where krc comes in. If you know about something and you're responsible with it, you can control it. And having control includes keeping your allegiance towards somebody that that that needs something, even if you don't know them. If you saw somebody being mugged on the street and you could do something about it, you have an allegiance to your fellow man or woman to help them out. The last episode in Seinfeld, where they all were viewing this thing and filming it and ended up in jail because they didn't.
Speaker 3:They didn't follow the good.
Speaker 2:Samaritan law. You know you don't just stand idly by.
Speaker 3:You need to do something about it right and and it's a level of control uh, knowledge, responsibility, control, it's. It's control that speaks to order, that speaks to, you know, the removal of chaos. Right, like I can do something about this, I can make this go right to whatever degree. And so you know, withdrawing or having that allegiance to people and then letting it be, and never withdrawing that that doesn't mean that you've been over backwards for everybody and you always got to do everything that everybody asks of you and stuff like that. That's not what that's about. It's about having a level of responsibility. And again, the code of honor is about your own self-determinism and your own personal ethics. So it's to the degree that you feel that you should be available or you feel that you should show up or you feel that you can be there. It don't mean that you got to do everything that that person asks Absolutely not. No, you determine what's true for you, what's in alignment with your own personal integrity, and say you know what?
Speaker 2:I can't do that, but this is what I can do and then you show up yeah, and and I mean you're with within reason you know we have have lots of people that that ask us for references and things like that, and you know I'll, if I have the reference available I don't even know the person I'll pop it in in an email to them say here's the reference you were looking for, because I have an allegiance as a central organization, aogp that's how we view ourselves is.
Speaker 2:We're trying to hold the line of being a resource for people where they might not be able to find other things. I just did that. The other day I heard from somebody that I haven't talked to in a year or two on Facebook and they were looking for something and we had it on the website. They couldn't find it. I grabbed it, dropped it in an email and sent it to them, and you know. But I mean, of course, like you said, it goes to how much time do you have to divert out of your regular schedule to do something for somebody when you have to go? Okay, look, there needs to be an exchange here, but you can at least give them LRH's written data and go from there.
Speaker 2:And if they do something with you or with somebody else, I sleep better at night, so you know I have an allegiance to my third and fourth dynamic and I do that as a courtesy service because we have the data available and we have it in the proper format, you know, keeping Scientology working, having the correct technology. So if I didn't do that, I wouldn't be keeping my own code of honor, which we'll get into later on here and this comes back in one of the other precepts here. So you want to do number three.
Speaker 3:Yeah I was going to say and what you just said actually leads right into number three. It says never I'm sorry, never desert a group to which you owe your support. So you know again, when we talk about humanity, when we talk about your neighbor, when we talk about the people who you might not know, but they are part of your third dynamic, they are part of your group. Like, don't desert them when you know, when you owe them your support, like you're supposed to be there, you're supposed to support on what again, to your own degree, to what you feel is right for you to do, but don't desert them when they need you. I had to learn this, I would say years ago, when I was living in Georgia, I had to learn this, that I needed to show up and I needed to be there to support my third dynamic. And it made all the difference. And I know some people whose lives were saved and some people whose lives were changed because I decided that I owe my support to my group.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. One thing that came to mind to me was when I was still in the church what's now over 20 years ago, but it was around 2002, 2003, there was a gal who was on her meter course from Orlando org and she was at Tampa org and she was and I may have even told this story in a podcast, but I'll make it short she was just struggling, struggling, struggling to get through her video for her meter meter course and she, she was in her early 20s, very bright and everything like that, and they sent her down there to be with the, the class 8 cs and stuff, and and um, I came in and and they said you know, can you, can you do a video with her? I said, you know, sure, because that's that's the onus that you have when you're a trained auditor, is you? You get used a lot in the course room because there aren't a lot of trained auditors. So I said, yeah, no problem.
Speaker 2:I went in and I was like I see exactly why her, she, she hasn't. She has a chip on her shoulder, why she isn't getting reads, and so I sat down and talked to her. They had her in the key to life course room and it was. So it was private. And I just said look, you're, you're female, for for one thing, and you have something to prove. And I spent several hours with this person, going over this stuff with her and just saying, look, your ARC is out, that's why you're not getting these reads with people, and it's you and it's affecting them. And so you know, I didn't have to do that, I didn't have to spend my time.
Speaker 2:I came in two days in a row to work with her and everything and by the time she got done, she, she had it nailed and she said you know, you changed everything on this. I was not going to get through this and I just said you know, you should be proud of what you're doing. You shouldn't put up these ridges to that are preventing you, because you've you've had a bunch of men come in and tell you what you know. Talk down to her, because she was young and she was female and I said you're thetan, you're not a body, just act like one, be yourself. Have that arc high and right.
Speaker 2:You know, I I owe my support to to other auditors. I owe my support to other musicians. I owe my support to other auditors. I owe my support to other musicians, I owe my support to other entities that do what we do and everything like that, and I don't see these lines of division that other people see, because, yeah, at the end of the day, we're all here trying to live and survive and the only way you can live and survive is by, you know, giving support to that which which which you have arc for, whatever it is yeah, and and and understanding, that is, it's you that brings something to that dynamic as well.
Speaker 3:So it's not just oh, uh, that person's in need, or that group needs me to show up, needs me, me to show up, needs to show up. Like you realize, by showing up, you're saying I'm the one. I can bring something to this experience. I can bring something new, I can bring something better, I can bring something different, I can bring something that's workable. I can bring something to this experience, a solution perhaps, and that's why I'm showing up. I'm showing up not only because I have to or I'm supposed to, but I'm showing up because I can do something about it and I can bring something to the experience, which brings us to number four.
Speaker 2:Right. Never disparage yourself or minimize your strength or power. There's a big one, right.
Speaker 3:How many times have people done that? How many times do you disparage yourself and put yourself down and minimize your strength, power? I can't do this, I'm I'm not, I'm not good enough, I don't know how to do, and we constantly kind of put ourselves in this condition of less than not enough. Uh, I think, um, what's the reference about? You're being held down by a piece of lint you know, yeah, where he says you know that's.
Speaker 2:That's really all that it is is that your considerations are these little pieces of lint and all you need to do is cut them in order to regain your abilities back. But you know, responsibility on the first dynamic is is super important, and responsibility implies you don't disparage or minimize your strength or power, like this girl was doing in this very difficult e-meter drill. She was disparaging herself because, well, that was what she thought she should do and I said stop that, knock it off. No self-coaching and and that's you know, whether you're doing meter drills or you're doing trs or in life, you, you have to believe in yourself. Don't buy the lie of group bank agreement out there.
Speaker 2:And you see this with clears and ots all the time when, when they get around people, they tend to drop their tone level in order to be in ARC and then they run into doing number four.
Speaker 2:It's hard to fly with eagles when you're with a bunch of turkeys.
Speaker 2:You need to find the right people to be around, because tone level is everything about yourself and about others, and it's hard to stay uptone around people who aren't uptone. That's interesting, yeah, given that it's all about the chart of human ability, and I know I beat that drum a lot, but you have to look at that chart of human ability, have it on your phone, have it on your tablet, have it on your desktop and when you're dealing with somebody for the first time you've dealt with them for a few days, a few weeks or whatever. Look at that chart, see what it is and see how you think, where they're at on the tone scale. How do they communicate? Do they make more, do they make less of you? Do they bring you up, do they pull you down, and, and, and. You see this all the time in in in your con, your consulting business as well. I mean, how much of what you talk about to people is is people have bought into what other people think of them.
Speaker 3:Right. Well, and it's interesting that you even just said it that way, that you know there happens a lot to clears and OTs, that they get around this I'll call it culture. But this culture of negativity or this culture of less than, and it starts to kind of make that person come down in order to kind of have ARC, which is really interesting to me because oftentimes I get judged I don't know if that's the right word but I get scrutinized or judged by because I don't like go there, right, like I don't get down to that tone, on that tone level, and oh, you don't care, you don't even care. I was like, yeah, I do, I'm, I'm right here, I clearly I care because I'm here having this conversation with you. Well, you ain't even upset. No, I'm not upset about it. I care that I'm here to be with you and to have this conversation and help you through it, but I'm not. Your stuff ain't my stuff, your triggers ain't my triggers. You know what I mean. Like it doesn't affect me the same way, but that doesn't mean I don't care.
Speaker 3:And I think, a lot of times the idea that sympathy which we're going to get into next, this whole idea of sympathizing with people. It makes you feel, it makes people think that you're more human, and I'm like, well, yeah, no, that's not where I'm coming from, like I'm not coming from a place of sympathy, because I'm here because I care, and I'm having this conversation, I'm doing this work with you, I'm coaching you through this, I'm leading you through this, I'm travailing with you through this because I know how important it is that you get through this.
Speaker 2:But I don't sympathize. No, right, which is number five, right, which is number five, and there's a huge difference between sympathy and empathy.
Speaker 2:Yes, and LRA, power is the ability to hold a position in space, and that that position in space and I think a lot, of, a lot of scientologists miss this, and just well, everybody misses it, whether you're a scientologist or not is you can hold your own tone level and and empathize with somebody. That doesn't mean that you have to, because he he also says that emotion is what is used to get a desired result. Now, think about that. Think about that, folks, because if a person is reacting the way Quentin was describing, what kind of desired result is a person trying to get on you?
Speaker 3:their tail.
Speaker 2:What's going on there? There's something else going on in between the lines. And that's sympathy.
Speaker 3:It's such an interesting thing because it's like what are you trying to accomplish? I've literally asked people that what are you trying to accomplish With what you just said? What are you trying to accomplish there? Never mind, Never mind, I'm just asking because I'm trying to get to what you need in this moment.
Speaker 2:So number five is never need praise, approval or sympathy. So to me and I think that what's between the lines there is that people relate their tales to you because they're looking for sympathy, and inside of that, in very small fine print, is they're looking for the magic word of agreement. I want you to agree with what it is that I am doing or I did. Therefore, I want sympathy, and therein lies the rub. Why do you?
Speaker 3:want sympathy.
Speaker 2:Well, we know what sympathy has to do with service facsimiles, making yourself right and others wrong. I'm right, I'm right, I'm right and everybody can be right. But praise, approval or sympathy, because when you do that sort of a thing, are you being a cause or are you really being at effect? When you do that, I want you to agree with me You're being at the effect of your own causality, causation, and you're trying to get agreement for something that you did. And you're great. You're great in the stories that you've related, when you deal with people and everything, and it's a little bit of that Dr Phil thing. So how's that working out for you?
Speaker 3:Right. But you know when, when, when I was, when I was first studying the code of honor and I was clearing my words on it, I actually had to clear the word approval because, you know, I guess when you, when you first think about it offhand, it's like, oh, okay, approval, like I want somebody to approve it, you know, I want it to be okay, you know, whatever. And the truth of the matter is and I think it kind of comes down to this approval is a license to survive or a license to be right, and so that blew my mind. That blew my mind because when I was like, wait, approval is a license to survive, approval is a license to be, I was like I don't need you to license me to be Right, I am being, because I am no-transcript, 60 years old. What are you, what are you looking for? What do you need? Well, it's just, it's just important. It's important right, because approval.
Speaker 2:Approval is effect if you don't get somebody's approval are you a? Cause or are you at effect? If you're getting somebody's praise, are you cause or are you at effect? And that goes back to number four. If you don't disparage yourself and don't minimize your strength, you don't need anybody to put you at effect in order to have a license to do something Right.
Speaker 3:License to be A license to be so.
Speaker 2:And that brings us to number six. Never compromise with your own reality.
Speaker 3:Mic drop. I love it.
Speaker 2:Mic drop right there, because your reality, never compromise with your own reality.
Speaker 2:Right, what is true for you is true for you. Now, if you're seeking approval and praise and or sympathy at the low end of the scale, whose reality are you operating off? The other person's? That's right. That's why you shouldn't do that, because you're minimizing your own strength and compromising your own reality. Right, these things flow like water when you talk about them to another person, right? You? Just, you know these things flow like water when you, when you, you, you talk about them to another person, when you just read them line by line, you're like, yeah, that's good, and then you just kind of move on. But that's why we're doing this is to get kind of get the ball rolling for for the list, our listeners, so that you can understand why this is so important. And you operate off of this because, to the degree that you're happy is to the degree that your own personal ethics are in.
Speaker 2:Again, ethics is a personal thing, and what we read at the beginning of this is you can choose to use these, some of them, one of them or not, but if you do right, your personal ethics are going to be in, you're keeping your own code of honor and there may be more of these to yourself. This is just. He's just giving you jumping off points. Now you get to seven. Never permit your affinity be alloyed. What does that mean? Let's talk about that.
Speaker 3:So never permitting your affinity be alloyed. In other words, don't allow the things that you, or the people or the things that you care about, to be mixed up or to be confused or to be muddied up by other things, other viewpoints, other considerations. In other words, who you are, who you love, how you present who you are and the way you stand in that. Don't allow that to be muddied, don't allow it to be mixed up with all these other viewpoints and considerations. And that's why he said right before that is never compromise with your own reality.
Speaker 3:If you know who you are, what's true for you is true for you, and then you never permit your affinity to be alloyed. You can stand in any space, anywhere, communicate with anybody, the president of the United States to the lowest person begging on the street. You can be anywhere because you get to stand in your own power Again, the ability to hold a position in space. You get to stand in your own power. And it's such a beautiful thing that he kind of flowed this out, because when you allow yourself to be, your affinity to be alloy, it starts to make you confused about you. It's such an interesting thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that goes towards people again in one and two never desert a comrade in need, in danger, in trouble, never withdraw allegiance once granted.
Speaker 2:And three never desert a group to which you owe your support, because if you're allowing your affinity to be alloyed, somebody says well, george, you know I saw him doing something. Blah, blah, blah, natter, natter, natter. Well, now you're the object of a third-party situation and you don't have to accept that at all. You just have to look at it as what it is. What's criticism? Criticism is typically the other person is trying to reduce the other person because they've committed an overt or overts against them. You need to keep that in mind and not let your affinity be alloyed and changed into something else than what it was for a person, because it's so easy to do.
Speaker 2:If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. Right, and you know LRH didn't come up with that, but I mean it's in science of survival. If you don't have anything good to say, you don't have anything that's positive or theta from a science of survival. If you don't have anything good to say, you don't have anything that's that's positive or theta from a scientology viewpoint, then don't say anything at all, don't pass on bad news, and that way you're not causing other people to have different viewpoints on others or things. Uh, right, so that brings us to eight.
Speaker 3:Do not give or receive communication unless you yourself desire it. Yeah, and I just kind of touched on that when I say you can communicate, you can talk to anybody Like never allow or don't allow yourself, don't give or receive communication unless you yourself desire it. Let me tell you why this is so important. Because how many times have we been in situations where we felt forced, whether it be our parents? Hello, we've all experienced that one right, whether it be our parents, whether it be be you know, uh, people around us, our friendships, or whatever, we all have been in situations where I really don't want to answer this phone, but I know, you know, I gotta answer the phone or else it's gonna be a problem, you know, or something like that happens. You know, just, you don't have to do that. You don't have to do that because because what is happening is you start to compromise with your own reality. The first thing, like if you're in the middle of something or whatever, you start to compromise.
Speaker 3:And again, going back to the parent thing, how many times have we had a parent or have somebody who's had a parent, and I know this parent is going to be negative, I know she's going to say something about my weight. I know she's going to say something about my weight. I know she's going to say something about my situation, about my job, that old piece of job, that old piece of car. My grandmother used to say that old piece of car. You know, yeah, and you don't always want to hear that. You don't want to hear. I don't want to hear that. You know, and yet, because it's Big Mama, you answer the phone and now you feel in some kind of way.
Speaker 2:Right. Well, I mean, you see this a lot in social media, where people are trying to goad you into communicating and granting life to their negativity and, like LRH says, we just do not acknowledge an N? Theta line, because then you're just dropping down to their tone level.
Speaker 2:And now you're having to play this game of he said, she said, and you said this, and it doesn't go anywhere. And this is something that I see as a very sore point with people. You don't have to communicate unless you want to, and I have made people so mad when I will not acknowledge an N? Theta line Because they're trying to get my goat and they're being incredibly negative and it's just like nope, no calm, incredibly negative, and it's just like nope, no calm, because I'm not going to acknowledge any kind of communication until you bring yourself up tone. And if you can't do that, there's nothing more to say. And that's power is the ability to hold a position in space. You don't have to drop your tone level to be in communication well, right, and it and it also speaks to your own self-determinism.
Speaker 3:It speaks to you determining for yourself how you want to feel, what you want to receive, what you want to give. As far as communication goes, it speaks to that. And let me be also very clear Communication doesn't just mean talking. Let me be very clear, that's right. Let me be very clear. Communication doesn't just be talking. I had somebody who contacted me recently and wanted to borrow some money and I didn't want to give that communication. So I don't feel I have to give that communication unless I desire to do so, and I do desire Right. Power is the ability to hold a position in space.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and it makes you true to your own self-determinism, because I am now determining how I'm going to move through this experience, through this life, through these conversations or whatever, and how I'm going to feel about it. And I think that's really important on a basic human level, because that's where, again, emotions are trying to get a result. Use emotions to get a result Right. When you can keep your self-determinism, and even in this point right, then it makes you so much stronger for yourself when you need to show up for yourself, when you need to do what you need to do for you. Self-discipline is a part of that as well which leads us to number nine.
Speaker 3:Your self-determinism.
Speaker 2:Go ahead.
Speaker 3:Your self-determinism and your honor are more important than your immediate life. This is huge. Your self-determinism and your honor are more important than your immediate life. You would think that what do you say? That if I just survive, if I just live another day, if I just get through this relationship or get through this conversation or get through this experience, you would think that that was probably more important. Right, like my life, me living another day. But actually your self-determinism and your honor are more important. There's times when sometimes you just got to stand up for what's right and you got to be true to what's right for you and say this is what's right to me, this is what's right for me, and I'm not compromising that. And sometimes that causes other things to occur.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think you know there's that there's a cover for the band Rage Against the Machine where they have the black and white photo of the monk setting himself on fire in protest to the war in Vietnam. Now I would say that that's a little bit extreme from my standpoint, but from that individual's viewpoint, he was keeping his honor in in order to make a point that this is madness.
Speaker 3:This is crazy yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you know ethics is a personal thing and so you have to really look at that. You see it all the time in the movies where somebody and you know sacrifice is pretty low on the tone scale, but sometimes you got to do what you got to do, uh, you know to, to keep your own code of honor in, and your immediate life is not as important as your own self-determinism. And that honor and it's it's a sore point as well is that you know it's, it's, it's the opposite of what's in it for me, it's the complete opposite of what's in it for me.
Speaker 3:So, uh, that brings us to 10 well, I was gonna say I was gonna say I was gonna say, on that point too, because you know, and I think about the martin luther kings of the world, I think about you know, the people who who said, like I'm gonna speak my truth, even though um the culture or the community or the odds or whatever are against me, I'm going to stand up for what I believe is right and that can cause one their life, you know, at times, and yet it's still the right thing to do. And because you were willing to do that, we hold you in such honor, right, and we can think about the martyrs in Catholicism or whatever, like we hold you in such honor, right, and we can think about the martyrs in Catholicism or whatever. We hold you in such honor because you were willing to die for what you believed in, for what was right to you. And just on that one point, you deserve some honor.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean Good, bad or indifferent, right or wrong. You deserve some honor on that point. Now, obviously, like you said, you deserve some honor on that point. Now, obviously, like you said, you can get into madness and other things too, but I think this is really important when we look at our life, when we look at the grand scheme of things, the wholeness of life, the whole track. Because when your self-determinism, when you start going against your self-determinism, when you start compromising with your own reality, when you start disparaging yourself and minimizing your strength and power, that has ripples effects throughout your whole existence. It ain't just that conversation with Big Mama.
Speaker 2:Right, there are lots of people in history. You've got Madame Curie, you have Jonas.
Speaker 3:Salk.
Speaker 2:These people in the name of science. You know, they took huge chances in order to further the goals of mankind and health and took huge risks and used themselves as their own guinea pigs. Lrh used himself as a guinea pig in order to get the the bridge established and it had huge consequences for him physically on on numerous occasions. But that's the thing your self-determinism and your honor are more important than your immediate life. Sometimes a guy or gal has got to do what they got to do because they know what's right and that, and they're not doing it for praise, approval or sympathy either. They're doing it because it's right.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:The big picture.
Speaker 3:And then number 10, kind of piggybacks on that too, that your integrity to yourself is more important than your body.
Speaker 2:That's right. That's KRC. What I got to do is what I got to do.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 3:You know, Madame Curie died of radiation poisoning yeah so it's interesting because, um, I was just having a conversation about sleeping and because I have, you know, a lot of people that I'm helping around the world and I have things that I'm doing, like as far as course and stuff like that.
Speaker 3:Like I have to, I have to rest, obviously, but I can feel that my, my integrity to myself and what I'm trying to accomplish, what I'm trying to do in the world, that integrity is more important than my body, right? And I feel that I know that that doesn't mean I don't find the time to get the rest that I need, because I do, but I have to do it in a way that I have to show up for, or I choose to show up for, people that I choose to show up for, and it feels good to me that I do that, that I show up for the people that I choose to show up for, and then I get some sleep. So it feels like I have to make sure I do balance it out, but it's very clear to me where my priorities lie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. You can't. If you can't function, you can't help people. You have to take that into consideration and that's very important.
Speaker 2:But you know, you and I both, in doing what we do, sometimes you don't feel like doing anything else after you get done, talking to everybody else for hours and hours and you just want to. Maybe sometimes you don't even want to eat and you just want to go to bed because you're so worn out in dealing with the things that people need help with. Yeah, and that's tough, but that's number 10. That brings us to 11. And this is super important and this is why there is auditing. Never regret yesterday. Life is in you today and you make your tomorrow. Yes, yeesh, you know, beautiful today and you make your tomorrow. Yes, you know you can't be hard. You can't be too hard on yourself. Don't beat yourself up. You have to be able to forgive yourself. And, like ellery says, everybody makes makes their own overts out to be these 800 pound gorillas when they're nothing but a little zygote.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 2:You know you, you, you can always atone and you make mistakes, and generally the good things that you do came from mistakes that you made priorly and you learn from those mistakes and then could do good with them Well and that's how you make your tomorrow.
Speaker 2:That's how you make your tomorrow is. You adopt policy and you go okay, what did we learn from all of this? Let's not do this, let's do this, this and this. Okay, so don't be too hard on yourself. Life is in you today and you make your tomorrow. And, like he says, if you just start smiling, you'll soon start having something to smile about. It's that simple. It really is.
Speaker 3:So, so with number 12, okay, before we say anything, because I know there's some people who will look at this and be like, see, see, this is what we're talking about, right, but I want you to really understand what's actually being communicated here, okay, number 12 says never fear to hurt another in a just cause. Now people will take this thing and they'll be like this is why they do this and this is why that happens. If you understand what's being communicated, it says here in a just cause. And I need you to understand why that's such an important part of the conversation.
Speaker 3:Because when there's something that is right we talked about this earlier, when we talked about your own life and your own body when there's something that is right and that needs to be done the right way or in a certain way, then you can't be afraid to put some people in their place. You can't be afraid to remove a person if they need to be removed. You can't be afraid to hurt feelings and or hurt people in a just cause, and there's countless examples of this throughout history. Where it needed, this needed to be done, or else somebody would have. It would have caused more and more and more and we can go into World War II, we can go into all these other things, but there are so many reasons why these things needed to be done reasons why these things needed to be done. I just wanted to say, because I know people will look at this and be like this is exactly what we're talking about.
Speaker 2:You can't use it as a justifier to commit overts on others. Right, you can't throw the baby out with the bathwater You've got to look at what's the greatest good for the greatest number here.
Speaker 2:If you're building a shoddy product and you've got people on your team that aren't being professional about it and using good workmanship and it could harm other people in the future, well then you need to be able to report to your superiors or make a report to the the local authorities on it and say, look, this place needs to be looked at.
Speaker 2:That's why they have inspectors on new houses. I just was watching a thing on tiktok the other day and this inspector was going in and he just showed all of these things that were dangerous to somebody on a brand new, never lived in before house. Oh yeah, and that comes down to and a lot of times it's a situation of integrity and professionalism that this particular line comes in and you have to look at it and go okay, because if somebody associates you with somebody else, sometimes you got to say, look, you need to get it together and and get the product that needs to be gotten because it reflects on all of us, not just you, because we associate with you. And you have to say, look, you need to go back and get retrained on this. There's something here you don't know. What is a professional, that type of a thing, but sometimes it's just knowledge, responsibility and control. I mean, I I had that happen when I was young.
Speaker 2:I worked at uh applebee's and one of the one of the guys on the the cook line was in the walk-in refrigerator smoking a joint right in the middle of rush hours, 7 o'clock at night on a Friday.
Speaker 3:Wow.
Speaker 2:And I reported it to the managers and it blew back on me because it turned out he was the dealer for all of the managers. Wow, yeah, I didn't know that. But I took knowledge, responsibility and control because here was this one person who was integral, that we needed him on the line and we were having to pick up his slack because he was in smoking a dube in the walk-in refrigerator and we were all having to work way harder for no reason and I was like you know, I know about this, I need to take responsibility for it, take control of it. And I reported him and, um, well, I I ended up getting fired for other reasons that got and this is my viewpoint but that were trumped up because they didn't want want to be reported to corporate Applebee's that they had drug addictions because this guy was selling them their drugs.
Speaker 2:At that time I didn't know how pervasive it was in the society. I didn't do drugs or anything like that, but that was my code of honor and I had to look at that. And that goes back to your integrity. To yourself is more important than your body. You know that sort of thing. So never fear to hurt another in a just cause, but you've got to take all the other points into consideration. I was just about to say that.
Speaker 3:Take everything else before that into consideration. Yeah, because if you understand who you are through this, if you understand that you're not going to withdraw your allegiance once it's granted, if you understand that you're not going to desert a comrade in need or in danger or in trouble, so this is not a justification for over. This is not just I'm going to do what I want to do because I feel that's right. That's not what that sounds like right. What it's really saying is that I'm here to help what needs to be helped and I'm here to eradicate what needs to be eradicated. Period.
Speaker 3:That's right and it's good on that.
Speaker 2:So number 13. Number 13 falls right in line with that. Don't desire to be liked or admired. I mean, obviously, you know. I mean if something's going on and and it's drawing everybody else down and everybody's working way harder because somebody else is doing something that is not in line with what the group is supposed to be doing and you're not getting paid anymore for it, well, you don't have to be desired or liked. You got to do something about it. If you know about it, be responsible for it. Put some control in that's's knowledge, responsibility and control, because this comes down to the Scientology ethics conditions. That condition you fail to assign you will take on yourself if you let it go on for very long.
Speaker 2:We did a podcast on that and it is so true. And that is because your code of honor has gone out and that is because your code of honor has gone out. That's it, you know. Do not send for who the bell tolls. The bell tolls for thee, for thee. You did not do it when you should have done it. Do not desire to be liked or admired. If it needs to be done, knuckle down, write the report, get in touch with whoever you need to get in touch to or find out what the situation is sometimes first like in my case, because it blew back on me. But the thing is is ultimately I kept my integrity in Right. You got to do that and that goes to 14. Be your own advisor. Keep your own to 14. Be your own advisor, keep your own counsel and select your own decisions.
Speaker 2:That's a tough one. Should I do this? Should I not do this? I came to find out pretty much everybody in the whole joint was buying from this guy. So what's a guy to do if you're not part of that?
Speaker 2:You know, if you're involved in a corruption scandal and everything, and it's supposed. I mean you know we're dealing with hot water, we're dealing with fire, we're dealing with cold temperatures. We're dealing with fire, we're dealing with cold temperatures, we're dealing with knives. I mean that's a dangerous workplace environment. If somebody is on drugs and if you were working with big mechanical machinery or something like that, I mean that's almost to a point of a felony because you're putting your other team members at risk.
Speaker 2:In these situations, anything could happen. And if somebody is on drugs, well, they're obviously a potential trouble source and they've got some suppression in their life and they're turning to drugs in order to feel better about the suppression that they're not willing, not aware, not in control of. And then they're going to make mistakes, and those mistakes could affect you or your other group members. So you have to be your own advisor and go. This shit's just too dangerous. I'm getting out of here and that's what I did. I didn't have any choice. So keep your own counsel. Don't let anybody sway you on anything. You have to know what's true and ethical and what's right. Ethics is a personal thing and a lot of times things are far worse than you ever imagined because people are withholding things from you. So you have to take that into consideration. If you know the tech of the human mind, it will protect thee. That's why it's important to get trained and not end up in the soup. 15. You want to?
Speaker 3:do 15? Yeah 15. Be want to do 15? Yeah 15. Be true to your own goals. This is a great end for this because, after understanding the code of honor, understanding that it's a self-determined code, understanding that it's something that you keep your own integrity on, that it's not something that's to be enforced, that you keep your own integrity on that, it's not something that's to be enforced, whatever we just say, it's just our experience and it's us admonishing you to look into this as a code of honor, as something that you can operate with. Again, not to try to force one on this. This is not the 10 commandments of Scientology or whatever you know. This is definitely something that you can apply and get some amazing wins and results in your life, just in your own personhood, in my opinion.
Speaker 3:And so number 15, be true to your own goals. Whatever works, whatever you want to happen, whatever you want to make happen, make that happen and be true to that and know that that is you know. One thing I love about Scientology is that we start off with the premise that you are man is basically good, right, you know other viewpoints says that man is inherently evil and original sin and whatever, whatever. But we start with the viewpoint that man is basically good, or whatever, whatever, but we start with the viewpoint that man is basically good, and so we know that those of you who are listening to this podcast, those of you who are, who are, who are in, on course, those of you who are getting sessions done and getting yourself clear and doing the things that you have to do, we know that you are basically good. So, be true to your own goals, because it's going to help people out.
Speaker 2:Right and and and the more data you have to operate off of as to what your goals are and you look at okay, what can I do that can help myself and my dynamics and your dynamics or other people's dynamics, because they're all interconnected. We're all in the same room as beings. You need to make sure what your goals are are in line with what, who and what you are. That's why we do admin scales what are your goals, what are your purposes, what are your plans, what are your programs, what's your valuable final product? That type of a thing. And the code of honor isn't to make you selfish. It's trying to put in a balance for you, your dynamics and the dynamics of others is that we're all here to help each other and your goals. Your goals should be forwarding other people's happiness as well as your own, and your goals should be in the direction of, in aiding your survival while aiding the survival of others. It's not just about I mean mine, and that's that's something that needs to be taken into consideration when you're looking at the code of honor. Is everybody is in the picture with you.
Speaker 2:You won't be an ot for very long if you're the only ot out there. It takes, takes other OTs. It takes other clears. It takes people making clears making OTs. It takes people helping people with ethics and PTS-ness and their own codes of honor. So you have to put that into the mix and to the degree that you do, that is that you will be successful. You will have wealth not only in material things. The the greater wealth and I think you would agree with me on this the greater wealth is not the material things, the greater wealth is. How have I helped others? Because when you do that, the material things follow absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 3:which is why which is why lrh ended with this. He said this is the ethical code of scientology, the code code one uses not because he has to, but because he can afford such a luxury. This is a beautiful code of honor and we encourage you to take a look at it and really clear your words. If you've got to clear your words, make sure you fully understand how it flows and why it flows the way it does, and hopefully this podcast helped.
Speaker 2:Thank you all for listening for Quentin and myself. We hope you've enjoyed the podcast and we'll have another podcast out in another day or two. We're going to try and get out two or three or more a week. We've just been so busy with auditing and training that it's been hard to do podcasts the last 10 days to two weeks. But we're getting back on it on a regular schedule and I'm very appreciative that Quentin has taken his time to do this podcast with us. We'll talk to you next time.