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Scientology Outside of the Church Podcast
SE10EP11 - The Choice Between Darkness and Light
What if the choices we make every day are not just between right and wrong, but between light and darkness? On this episode of the Scientology Outside of the Church podcast, we are joined by special guests Quenton Stroud and Arthur Moudakis to explore how our decision-making processes can lead us down familiar yet unethical paths. Drawing inspiration from a beloved Rush song, we shine a light on the impact of ignorance and mis-emotion, and how facing the truth with an "as-is" approach can liberate us from enduring cycles of negativity.
Join us as we delve into the concept of service facsimiles, mental constructs that often justify our life’s struggles and can lead to self-sabotaging behaviors. From financial issues to health problems, these patterns can hold us back unless we consciously choose to dismantle them. Quentin and Arthur help us navigate the similarities between service facsimiles and evil purposes, emphasizing personal responsibility as the key to unraveling these harmful patterns. Through auditing, individuals can recognize and shift away from these negative mindsets, paving the way for personal growth and a healthier existence.
Finally, we invite you to embrace your true self and confront the darkness that pervades your life. This journey to self-awareness is crucial for resolving inner turmoil and breaking free from the limitations of unresolved issues. We discuss the “dark night of the soul” and stress the importance of personal accountability, encouraging you to explore your multifaceted nature and discover the obscured truths just beyond your immediate perception. Together, let's embark on a journey of self-discovery and illuminate the path to a more holistic and enlightened existence.
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Hi everybody and welcome to another Scientology Outside of the Church podcast. This is season 10, episode 11. After an extremely long hiatus, we are back with new podcasts, after issuing some from 2017 the other day, four of them from Andy Nolch. We hope you enjoyed those and had something to keep you busy over the weekend. I'm here with Quentin Stroud and Arthur Mudakis the holy triumvirate of independent Scientology podcasters. How are you guys doing today?
Speaker 2:Doing fantastic. Happy New Year.
Speaker 1:Yeah, happy New Year everybody. Yes, happy New Year 2025 and the middle of january. We're back. The title of this podcast is, in parentheses, the choice or the choice between darkness and light. So how do we unpack this for everybody? Why don't you start?
Speaker 3:with why you chose it.
Speaker 1:Well, like I told you guys, it was based off of a Rush song, lyrics from 1993, 94. And it's one of my favorite songs just because of the lyrics, more than anything. What people choose to do, how they choose to do it, what direction they go Do they go in a direction to something they know, or do they make a decision that is not ethical for them and they make it ethical, or do they choose light? And another thing that I didn't mention, because it took a while to figure out what podcast we're going to do, is the path of least resistance. A lot of the time is the path of darkness and theta versus theta, theta the solver versus data, the problem. Path of least resistance. A lot can be said about that.
Speaker 2:It's interesting because, even as you say that, my first thought comes to mind is how we choose to handle things that come into our lives, and so I can't even hearken back to when I was a young person and going through the things, bullying, or going through stuff that affects you just in the real world, and not knowing anything about the tech and not knowing anything about all this other stuff. Why choose the choices that we make right? Why do we choose these things? And so I think it's interesting how you just said that sometimes the path of least resistance is the dark path is the darkness Because it's like I can just close my eyes and run. I can just close my eyes and throw my hand, like you know how you fighting, y'all can't see me, but it's like uh-uh, uh-uh, and you just close your eyes and throw it hands. You know, but there's no strategy to it.
Speaker 2:This is what's interesting to me when we choose the darkness, when we—in fact, I think LRH said something about how we get so focused on the darkness that it almost becomes obsessive. When we choose a darkness, we're not operating with strategy, right, we're operating in mis-emotion. We're operating in this, I don't know figure, figure, kind of life, and that then becomes the choice. And when we get to those places, how many times have we heard it said well, I didn't have a choice. Well, I didn't have a choice, well.
Speaker 1:I didn't have a choice. You know what I mean? Yeah, but you did. You always have a choice. And this is the funny thing about the choice between darkness and light is the appearance and the word appearance in LRH talks about appearances a lot, a lot that something appears a certain way, and the appearance of darkness and the appearance of light might, in fact, be exchangeable dualities, where the path of least resistance would be doing the thing that you always do, and instead of confronting and looking at something for what it is, because you get into these, now I'm supposed to, so I'm supposed to do this after this happens and that is the path of darkness, because it's the same thing and it's a now I'm supposed to Things don't change, it keeps happening, and this is something that people find themselves in a lot.
Speaker 1:Why does this keep happening? Why does this keep happening? What can you do differently, based off of new information, and you know. Then you get to an alter is. What is an alter is An alter, is persists because there's something there that you're not viewing. There's the darkness.
Speaker 2:Because, yeah, because you're not getting the fullness of it, you're not getting the truth of it, and because it's something that you're not viewing, you stay in this darkness, you stay in this ignorance, you stay in the stupidity. And because it's something that you're not seeing, or you're not allowing yourself to see, and so forth, we stay in the darkness.
Speaker 1:It can't be me kind of thing, right, right state we stay in the darkness.
Speaker 2:Um yeah, it can't be me kind of thing right, it can't be me, right, that can't be right, right, right, or or this can't be happening to me. You know what I mean. Like this can't be happening to me, like like all I've done and all I am and all that. Like this can't be happening to me, like all I've done and all I am and all that. Like this can't be happening to me.
Speaker 2:But the truth of the matter is is that when you really are able to see something objectively and really see it right, it, as is it, actually no longer has any effect on you. It, as is, is because you're able to see things where they are. And so, when making the choice between darkness and light, when moving through these moments of darkness, these, the dark days, the dark ages of our lives, the dark night of the soul, um, as, as, as I, uh, young, young, described it like, you go through this, this, this place, and when you're able to get out of it. The way you're able to get out of it is to fully see self. Yeah, fully see self.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And that's where we are.
Speaker 1:And that's the hardest thing to spot, is your mode of operation, the way that you go about things. Your mode of operation, the way that you go about things, that's to me, that, to me, that is that, that, that is the, the, the, the blackness of case, because it's like, well, you, you, you approach every situation from the same same formula you know two plus two equals six. You know, two plus two equals six, right?
Speaker 1:well, I mean, you know, that's just just how it is. But the thing is is if, if, if you knew what was wrong with you, it wouldn't be wrong with you. And defense defense of your position on something or defense of how you survive, I mean you get down to service facsimiles, and what you use to make yourself right and others wrong has a lot to do with that as well. It's because you're not able to get exterior to the situation. That's part of the reason why auditing does what it does, but it also takes an understanding and a willingness to go. Could I be I mean, you look at the commonality of things. Could I be this? Could I have something to do with this? Could I be the one stopping myself from getting up the bridge? Could I be the one causing these failed relationships, whatever the relationship is business, personal or otherwise? That type of a thing.
Speaker 1:It's a darkness that you're putting there. It's not a fate of the solver, it's a fate of the problem, and that's the big issue.
Speaker 2:And I think I'm sorry. Did you want to say something, art? No, I was done. Well, and I think I'm sorry did you want to say something, art?
Speaker 2:No, I was done, okay. And I think that what's interesting is, as we go through this darkness and I think LR says the only way out is through as we're going through it and we're trying to get to the other side of this chasm, the other side of this tunnel that I'm in, when you come out on the other side and you stand in the marvelous light, you stand in the sun, refreshed, renewed, and I think the song that you were talking about at the end he says you know, I woke up and I was in the sun and the brightness. You know, you stand in the other side of this and realize it was only you in the tunnel, as I was going through all of it, all of my fears, all of my concerns, all of my doubts, all of my whatever. It was only me in the tunnel, with myself and my fears and my doubt and my uncertainty. It was, it was, there, was, there was nobody else in my tunnel. It's my tunnel.
Speaker 1:This is my journey.
Speaker 2:No matter where you go there, you are Right. And, of course, along the way we might bump into someone else or something else that we put there right, whether it be a person or a thing, or financial issues or problems or whatever. We put them there right Because it's just me in the tunnel, so anything I bump into in the tunnel I had to put in there, right, yeah, and so I I bump into these things and lrh talks about automatacities and he's like we have these things, these, these, these automatacities that just kind of like turn on on automatic, right, and they turn on like why does this keep happening to me? Why does this keep showing up? And these things that turn on like automatic? And the only way to turn them off, the only way to get out of trouble, is to start to see what are these automatics that keep coming up? Yeah, what are these things that keep turning on for whatever reason? You know, um, um, uh. There's a song by whitney houston. She says same script, different cast. You know the same script, just different cast.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so yeah, man, it, it, it's, it's, almost as if it's a, it's, it's, it is a a, a different cast, except there's this elephant that comes along with you. It's me and my elephant. And you're like well, of course, the elephant's here, it's, it's, it's always here. You know, he goes with me everywhere, he's my trusty companion, and that's the person's case. That's how they get through things. And well, they're looking through it through purple-colored lenses, so everything is purple-colored and we're like well, that's just how the world is.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That's it, yeah, so it's it, yeah, so it's something well like in Dexter, for example, in the, something that you're, you're used to, that's a companion and how you go about things. And you, you have to look at, okay, how is it that I'm not getting up the bridge, how is it that these keep, these same things, keep happening to me? Right, and that's that's how, that's how, and what it is is. You have to look at it and go, okay, okay, this is what I need to handle with myself, because it's the commonality that goes with me everywhere, with everyone.
Speaker 2:Is this particular aspect, it is the feeling in the air, it is the instability, the fear, the this, the that, and that's what it comes down to is is you're so used to it you don't know that it's there, but it's how you, what you, you live your life through, what you see your life through, and that's and go ahead fine no, I was just gonna, I was just gonna say that and these things that seem to turn on at random, we get into them and they are these automatacities, and they are these things that I have a friend of mine who just stays in financial trouble, stays in it and no matter how much money you make on the job, he makes on the job, no matter how much things are supposed to quote unquote, based on all the factors that are present, you're supposed to be doing quite well, You're supposed to be doing good, but he stays in financial trouble and I'm like, why do you keep mocking this up trouble? And I'm like, why do you keep mocking this up and dealing with these automaticities? The first thing we have to do is look at our service facsimiles. Look at what have I put in place in my life, my service facsimiles that I think are supposed to serve me. Why does being poor serve me?
Speaker 2:The thought you know what I'm saying why does this posture, this idea of being poor serve me? Why does this idea of being sick serve me? How has it served me in the past? What have I done that? I faked the illness to get out of work, or I did this, I did that and it served me in the past, you know. And so these things are there and by running these service segments through auditing, you can get to a place where you unmark these automatacities and you repostulate things for yourself in a new way, where I don't have to choose to be broke anymore. I don't know who I'm talking to, but somebody, somebody been going through some financial stuff and it's like I don't, I don't have to choose to be broke anymore.
Speaker 2:I can choose success and wealth and populace and no no, thank God.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right, it's, it's, it's. Whatever the situation is, is it's what you're using to explain your disability and say, well, it's because of this, it's because of this If I have this disability, well, okay, then I can't be put to fault on it that I have this disability. Whatever the disability is, it doesn't mean you have a bum leg. But if you have this disability, it's the reason. You can point to it and say, see, and you know, I've seen this with everybody, everybody.
Speaker 3:Including myself, and there's another aspect to that as well, and that's a reward of some kind. So some people can be off work because of their disability and they're getting some kind of payment for it, and so in order for them to sustain that kind of lifestyle, where they're getting free money and they can do whatever they want, they actually need to be sick. So they keep themselves sick as opposed to confronting that yeah, that's exactly making themselves.
Speaker 3:That's what I'm, that's what I'm talking about, right yeah, there's some kind of reward for them and it could be just attention. You know, like maybe they're inside of themselves, they're so low on the lack of attention, but being sick gets them attention from their friends, from their, their family, that kind of thing Right, because they can't.
Speaker 1:They can't be, so they have to have. I have a disability because I can't be what it is that I want to be, so having it is is the lowest of the three be do have. So I can have this disability, but I can't be who I need to be because of the disability. So that explains it. And then you're sort of like okay, I'm done. I'm done. This is right Good luck.
Speaker 2:Yeah, one of the things I loved about doing the grades with you, jonathan, was that I was able to literally go in and, based on the lists and based on the things that you do when doing the grades, like I was able to go in and I was able to find what these service flex siblings were doing to me. Like I was able to find them and find out what they were doing like, why this thing is even here, right, and kind of nullify that energy and nullify those things that no longer need to be in my experience. And so that's one thing I really appreciate about the grades is that as you continue kind of working with these, you never have to go through that again, you never have to go through that again. You never have to go through it again.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. Well, you know service facsimiles are, he says, are a second cousin to an evil purpose, and so you know, if I can't survive well on my own, I've got this explanation for it. That makes it okay, which is pretty much what we were talking about a minute ago. And you know evil purposes and service facsimiles they are. They're very, very, very similar in a lot of ways.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because you're making yourself right and making others wrong. Right, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because making yourself right and making others wrong, right, right. I can destroy other people because of blank and that's darkness. Now he also goes on to say that and there's not a whole lot you can do about it on the lower end of the bridge other than service, facsimile handling and false purpose rundown or expanded dianetics, which came before but both handled the same thing, one from a dianetics aspect, one from a Scientology aspect.
Speaker 1:I think the Scientology aspect is a little bit more clever, but you know, it's a situation where he also says that all evil purposes come from the nots case At the end of the day. At the end of the day, because you couldn't be the Satan in charge if it wasn't for that reason. It's all these nasty things that you do, these paths of least resistance, because they deserved it. And you know, this is this is what they get, and and all that stuff. That's not you, that's not you and I'm here to indicate that fully and firmly.
Speaker 1:That's not you that comes from the case and that is no, no way to live and it's nothing to validate at all, and you have to take a look at that. But the only, the only way and and part of the reason I wanted to do this podcast is the only way, the only way to handle that is to disagree. Disagree with all of these. Now, I'm supposed tos All of these things that you normally do, these harmful and mean, vindictive things that you do to yourself first and foremostly, but to others, because of what you do to yourself and that's something we haven't addressed yet in this podcast is what you're doing to yourself. Like, well, you're reasonable about getting up the bridge and you know, well, maybe it's not for me and someday I'll get there. I'll put the money down on it, but I'll never do it.
Speaker 1:We see that all the time here at AOGP, jlgb. But you know, love thyself. That is not a path of least resistance. That's the thing people have. The hardest thing to do is to love themselves and take care of themselves and look at things from a different perspective and go. Is this getting any better? I'm X years old now and this has happened to me how many times. Well, the only common denominator there is you and your12, like. That really opens up what you just talked about right Like.
Speaker 2:It opens up that whole understanding of certainty of like you are you and you can be certain of that and you can, in my opinion, you can love that about yourself. You can love and have a level of confidence and strength in who you are for that very reason, like you, I now know who I am.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you can't, you can't, you can't get. You can't get to L12 without L10, because L11 is L11, on the, the, the L's rundown, so L11 is the do but the 10 is the be. And that's a really interesting level, because one of the things that I came up with on L10 was I came up with the reality and my auditor didn't even. It wasn't even real to my auditor, but it's, it's still very real to me to this day. There's six of me walking around in various different states of universes on either side of this universe and and some of them are bizarro Superman and some of them are maybe even better.
Speaker 3:So you have to deal with that.
Speaker 1:And I know it sounds strange and you don't have to believe it, our listeners or anything like that but there are varying degrees of universes, one side or the other, where you're dealing with the input of your own self in another universe and I covered this a little bit in the andy nolch podcast that we released, uh re-released the other day is that how, how much do you want to go into agreement with bizarro? You in some other universe and you're handling yourself in various modes, uh states, and if you, if you can't take responsibility for those I saw six of me looking at me and it wasn't anything with the knots case, it was six of me so you need to be aware that there's more going on here than meets the eye, and even outside of scientology.
Speaker 1:They've talked about the fact that they know that there is several yeah, there's, there's, there's several and it's, it's. It's a multiverse type of a thing and, uh, I hope to someday create a rundown that addresses that as an auditor, as a as a.
Speaker 3:That's amazing.
Speaker 2:You know, it's.
Speaker 2:It's interesting because Marvel, Marvel kind of touched on that. We're talking about the multiverse and how it's still you, it's all you, but you are affecting or can affect other aspects of you in different multiverses. And so what you're, what you're saying is you know they have to tell you, you know they have to put certain stuff out there so you can be aware of it before they can use it. You know, I think, what is the? It was the axiom, I think it was a Dianetics axiom, but it's like only the knowledge or the data, the data of that particular universe.
Speaker 1:Um, yeah, I know the way of knowledge yeah, can affect you can affect you. Yeah, I have to go yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So so you have to be somewhat aware of this data for it to affect you, right, yeah, and so by being somewhat aware of it now, now it's like okay, now you see how these different things impact you, these different aspects of yourself.
Speaker 1:Um, you know, yeah, and because of this, but well, one of the things that I that I've noticed since, uh, finishing excalibur and and, uh, the brief levels above that, ot, life repair and things is there's sort of like this space uh, it's a, it's a, it's not, it's it's, it's a, it's not, it's, it's, it's your own universe, and it's sort of like a holodeck and I'll go in there in that, that little space between a sleep and awake where you're kind of exterior to everything the body. And there's a sofa there and you're like well, I didn't put that sofa there. Why is that sofa there? Oh, oh, well, I didn't put that sofa there. Why is that sofa there? Oh, oh, oh, okay, it was me that put it there, but it was me number six that put this thing there.
Speaker 1:And now there's this create and I'm worried about this big problem and everything like that, and that's that sofa. And I'm like'm like, well, that's not my problem, that's in that universe, that's not this universe, but I'm still feeling the effects of that problem, and that's that elephant in the room still, yeah, and you're like well, how?
Speaker 1:in the world do I take responsibility for some, some, some other, me and some other universe, and when, when, when, I don't know anything about it, but you do, but you do, and what you do on, and I I'm sorry, guys, listeners, I'm sorry to tell you this, but it's true. It is true, quentin. Quentin sees it, I already sees it, artie sees it, and I don't mean to be talking for you guys, but I mean you have to be aware of the fact that this is something that's going on here and what you do in this universe affects those other you's as much as what they do that affects you.
Speaker 2:Think about that. What you're doing in this universe affects those other yous as much as what they do affects you. Yeah.
Speaker 1:That's right. But you have to be aware of it, like we said with this axiom, to be able to be a cause over that, and that is something you have to get to that point to be able to do it when it occurs. It occurs differently for other people. Look at where Quentin's at on the bridge, look at where I'm at on the bridge. He's aware of it, so it doesn't necessarily have to do with you have to get all the way to the end of the bridge, blah, blah, blah, blah. But the thing is you have to take responsibility for all of these varying degrees of you. And they're there and it's palpable, and this is the choice between darkness and light think about that.
Speaker 2:Do we? Do we do we remain ignorant of who we really are in ourselves, or do we choose to, to step into the light and to see ourselves fully and to um I I will use the word um become holistic, become whole yeah, to become, become whole.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's exactly what it is is because there are there, there, you, you know there they are, but they is in the third person. There you are and this, this is what, what makes you up. And just because you're in in this and you know they use these terms, this, this, this third level, you know calling it 3D, or you're in the fifth dimension, or you're in the seventh dimension or the sixth dimension, it, it doesn't, it doesn't really matter, because the thing is, you become aware of this, you know it and you know that you're there and it is part of you. Whether they're doing something else and they're having a bowl of Wheaties and you're watching Netflix or you're creating a big, huge, incredible company, that's still part of you, and you need to become aware of all of the areas that you reside in, not just this universe. Don't be fooled that there is just one you, and it is not part of the nots case. You're a much bigger and a much more multifaceted being than you might think, and you're in a lot of different places.
Speaker 1:So word to the wise find this out for yourself. That's the best tip I can have. It happened for me on L10.
Speaker 2:happened. It happened for me on l10. Yeah, well, I I think, I think this is phenomenal and I think that those of us that are ready and those of us that are willing will, um, start on our l's, we'll start up the grades, we'll start up the bridge and ernst and just really like, start to take a look and get out of whatever. And let me be clear when I say darkness, I'm not talking about you know, oh, I'm having some problems in my life, you know, time blew out and I'm talking about the darkness, like I said, the dark night of the soul. I'm talking about the, the, the darkness that we like, almost like, uh, abide in.
Speaker 3:You understand what I'm saying yeah exactly that's what we live in it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, we're not talking about just. Probably problems are going to happen, because they need problems to play games, right, problems are going to happen. You know, freedom is barriers and purposes are part of a game. So you're going to have some barriers, you're going to have some stuff that comes up. That's not what we're talking about here. We're talking.
Speaker 2:If you're listening to this podcast right now and you have this sense of darkness that rests on you, right, you have this sense of darkness that you wake up with, you go to sleep with, you dream in, you drive to work in. I mean, you're functioning, right, I'm living my life, and yet there's this sense of darkness and it's something that can be remedied, like there's something can be done about it. Yeah, what are you going to do about it? Making enough money at work? Oh, that's what's keeping me down, or me being in this relationship, oh, that's what's keeping me down, or you. We make all these excuses for it, but the truth of the matter is it's going on in you, and I think there's a saying wherever you go, there you are you are yeah, that's what I said earlier.
Speaker 1:It's is that's, that's right. You, you can't escape your, your own self and your own quote-unquote darkness and we're not using that term to scare anybody, but the thing is it is something that you yourself are perpetuating and you yourself have to un-mock. And LRH talks about the blackness of cases and things like that, and that's what he's referring to. That's what we're referring to is you have to be able to disagree and spot it and go oh, that, and it is that in capital letters, bold italics that and if you keep perpetuating that, you will keep getting this and that you know it's the same thing. So you have to be able to look at this and go okay, who's perpetuating this? Because there isn't anything else perpetuating it but yourself.
Speaker 1:And if you want light, you're going to have to perpetuate light and disagree with that. So we hope you'll understand what we're talking about. We think we do get this across and we think that you do understand it. You know what we're talking about and it is something that you know. You can do something about it if you want. Yeah, and this doesn't have to persist, and this whole planet is that.
Speaker 1:So make yourself aware of it and change that. So for quentin Stroud and myself and Arthur Madakis, we hope you've been illuminated by that, by this, we hope you enjoyed this. We hope you enjoyed this, and if you want to relieve yourself of that, get in touch with us and we can help you find out about these things that are just on the other side of the bathroom mirror and it's all fogged up and you can't quite make out what it is. We can get you there. Okay, love you, namaste. Bye-bye Peace, thank you, thank you.