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SE10EP12 - Incomplete Cycles of Action
Can incomplete cycles of action lead to behaviors akin to narcissism? Join us as we unravel the complexities of start, change, and stop phases within independent Scientology. This episode promises to shed light on how uncompleted cycles contribute to withholds and overt acts, affecting one's mental state. With a focus on the challenges encountered during the 'change' phase, we tie these cycles to the states of being, illustrated through the lens of Independent Scientology's Axiom 11, and examine their manifestation within auditing practices.
Our conversation takes a fascinating turn as we explore the intricacies of responsibility and action through the actions of historical and fictional figures. By scrutinizing the motivations behind individuals like Genghis Khan and Anakin Skywalker, we delve into how personal beliefs and past experiences can lead to significant actions, sometimes veering towards violence. Through contrasting discussions on Adolf Hitler and Gandhi, we navigate the murky waters of moral judgment, questioning the absolutes of good and evil while considering the ripple effects of human actions across time.
In our final segment, we confront the impact of incomplete communication cycles on personal growth. Through the metaphor of problems stacking like pancakes, we highlight the transformative power of addressing unresolved issues. Arthur and I emphasize the courage required to take responsibility for one's actions and the potential for profound personal change that comes with it. By understanding the root causes and engaging in simple acts of communication, we uncover the path to alleviating burdens and enhancing self-worth, underscoring the idea that the love you take is, indeed, equal to the love you make.
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Hi and welcome to another Scientology Outside of the Church podcast. I'm Jonathan Burke here with Arthur Madakis. Quentin has the day off. This one is going to be Season 10, episode 11, and we're going to talk about incomplete cycles of action. Going to talk about incomplete cycles of action. A cycle of action is start, change, stop in independent Scientology and there's a lot more to it than meets the eye. As far as incomplete cycles go, and.
Speaker 1:Arthur and I and Quentin, we usually talk about what we're going to do a podcast on after about 30 seconds 're like, okay, we better hit record before we lose it. Yes, yes, so this, this, this is that, and what was it you were just saying about incomplete cycles and you know from your viewpoint and and uh, all that.
Speaker 2:Yes, so, because I sort of slipped between both the Scientology version of something and then we've got like the common day version of something, and I was talking about how an incomplete cycle could lead someone to appear to be like a narcissist, and then you asked me how so? And then I said well, well, if people have incomplete cycles, which will then lead to withholds, which will then lead to overt acts, which will then lead to having the appearance of narcissistic behavior, which is the overt act itself yeah, well, my my thought on it, you know, when you were saying that is is that the actual sequence of events or is there another sequence of events?
Speaker 2:All right. So when you say other sequence of events, what sequence would that be?
Speaker 1:Well, what you just said isn't incorrect, and you know, of course, I mean just as far as from a technical standpoint, from an auditing and Scientology administration standpoint what is an incomplete cycle? Is it an overt? Is it an overt, and then it's a withhold and you don't complete the cycle of action. I tend to think that it is both and then a little bit more actually. But if we can, let's go to what it is that people, what it is you're auditing. You're auditing incomplete cycles of action.
Speaker 1:You've got start, you've got change. Start is you create something in your universe as a being and you go okay, I'm going to put this in the physical universe, you put it in the physical universe. That's a postulate. Now, once you've made that postulate and you put it in the physical universe, that's a postulate. Now, once you've made that postulate and you put it into doing, now you are changing. Starting is doing the postulate. Changing is getting going on in the physical universe, because we're all just a bunch of bulldozers in the physical universe, moving matter, energy, space through time. Well, matter and energy through space and time, technically, or that's the appearance thereof, and that's how you get something achieved that you have postulated.
Speaker 1:As far as on the having side of things. So you want to brush your teeth. You decide I need to brush my teeth twice a day when I get up and I go to bed. Okay, now you have to put that into motion. And then you find, well, okay, gosh, I didn't brush my teeth at all yesterday, or I brushed them once, but it was the day after, or something like that. So that's an incomplete cycle. Well, as it manifests in auditing, everything that we're auditing is an incomplete cycle. When it gets down to it, everything an auditor audits is an incomplete cycle, and that gets into the states of being. Axiom 11, isness alter isness, not isness as isness. So an incomplete cycle is what of those states of being?
Speaker 2:An alter is Right. It's an alter is Because it's incomplete, yeah, and that's where you could throw in justifications as well for your incomplete cycles as well, and you've could throw in justifications as well for your incomplete cycles as well, then you've got all those things occurring as well. Then you've got um energetic mass on your body, also with an incomplete cycle, that heaviness, that heavy feeling right mark of the mocking.
Speaker 1:I mean you know it's all mocking up of mass. I mean, I mean you know that's what a thetan does. A thetan controls and creates matter, energy, space and time in their own universe. That is why there is something to audit, because it is an incomplete cycle. An engram is an engram an incomplete cycle? Yes, it is. Is agram an incomplete cycle? Yes, it is. Is a secondary an incomplete cycle? Yes, we were just talking about this this morning. Secondary is an incomplete cycle.
Speaker 2:It's interesting if I could just go back a little bit Sure when I was studying, when I was doing the communication course. Actually, no, it's in problems of work start, change, stop that process. Or is that in the communication as well, in the communication course?
Speaker 1:well a communication. You know, an incomplete communication is an incomplete cycle of action. An interrupted yeah, communication is an incomplete cycle of action. That is why your TRs, your training regimens, your 0 through 4, and all the way up to TRs 5 through 9, they can be incomplete cycles of action as well as well. That's what hangs up a preclear in session when there's an incomplete cycle of communication. But what that is is that is restimulating the preclear's earlier incomplete cycles of communication, which restimulates the reactive mind and creates this earlier, similar, earlier similar or engram chain. Either way you want to look at it, whether it's Dianetics or Scientology, that's what you're doing when you have an incomplete cycle of communication with somebody else, with yourself, with your dynamics, the physical universe, plants, animals. Third dynamic, second dynamic, eighth dynamic, you name it.
Speaker 2:So all of these things are incomplete cycles of communication in the form of creation yep, and what I found really interesting when, when I was studying this cycle, um, start and stop made sense, but I really got stuck on the word change, um, and, and what I found interesting about it was it wasn't a real logical kind of thing. Once I understood it it was like it was actually quite a big breakthrough for me, because we're always moving forward to some degree and then we're always changing something. So if I walk from where I'm sitting now to my front door, I've literally just changed my environment just by making that movement. Energetically I've changed everything. My energetically I've. I've changed everything. I've changed airflow, I've changed particle structure, I've changed potential futures, um, you know, I've changed so many things and it took me a long time to sort of really understand how change works.
Speaker 2:And when it comes to like, say, those incomplete cycles, you know you're faced with a situation. Now your potential future has also changed with this new change, whether it's stuck or whether it's freeing, because then when you change again, say through getting these engrams sorted, you go through a new change. It's just a constant change. It's really interesting, um, and it's and it's hard to explain in words, but once it clicked within me I was just like holy crap, there's nothing in this world that we do that doesn't, that isn't affected by change in some way well, yeah, in the, in the physical universe yes, in the physical universe yeah, in the theta universe, the, the, the universe of which you are a part of, the theta universe is there.
Speaker 1:Is there really any change? Yeah, there is, because you change it, but the problem and this is demonstrated and explained in the Scientology and Dianetic Axioms is the change. The start and the change is something that you're creating, because you're creating it in the physical universe. You have a suit that you wear, called your body, and your body is that which you are manipulating the physical universe around with. It's the hand in the plastic bubble, and the inside of the bubble is the physical universe, and you're just putting your satanic hand into your suit and moving this stuff around.
Speaker 1:And so an incomplete cycle is a create that has not been stopped or completed, or or or completed, yeah, stopped, I mean you start change. Stop is is create, survive, persist, destroy. So when you get a cup of coffee, you decide you're going to have a cup of coffee, like I do here on the left. There are lots of cycles of action there, but the destroy is I drink the coffee, now I need to go make another one, or I don't make another one, and now I'm on a different cycle of action, but to the degree that you leave these cycles of action open in the physical universe is to the degree that you're leaving debris. Action open in the physical universe is to the degree that you're leaving debris and you're like, okay, where did I put my keys? And where did I put my keys is, who am I this lifetime? And did I complete all of those goals?
Speaker 1:And that's where LRH came up with all of this goals handling in the early to mid 60s on the Sandhill Special Briefing Course is that you have these goals that are left open with this intent, and this pulls you away as a being, because you're basically, you're a battery distributing your energy, scattering it throughout the physical universe, which is a bunch of sets of keys that you've left lying around, and you never finish those cycles of action, which dilutes your ability to do other things, because you're so like to use his expression, not mine you're buttered all over the universe, the physical universe. Now, multiply this out over Trillinia.
Speaker 2:You've got a lot of set of keys laying around. Well, not only trillenia, but maybe just this lifetime.
Speaker 1:Well right, that's what I'm saying. It stacks up pretty quick.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, which is a lot of mass, which is a lot to carry around on top of this mate body that's right which actually feels heavier than the physical body feels on its own.
Speaker 1:Interestingly, yeah, and that is the issue with incomplete cycles of action. Whether you're talking about auditing incomplete cycles of action or you're talking about incomplete cycles of action of what are all of these things that I've started and I've changed and I put into the physical universe, and now I'm completely dispersed because I have my attention all over the place, and that's why it's important you know just as a personal maintenance sort of a thing is to get your incomplete cycles completed. Make a list of those incomplete cycles. Do I still want to pursue these postulates that I put out there, or do I want to say, okay, I'm not doing that anymore? I was interested in learning how to do X and then I got into it and I was like, wow, this is really complicated, this might take me a long time, this is too much for me.
Speaker 1:But you didn't sit down and say I'm not going to do this, you just left it. How many of these things have you left? Make a list, handle them, decide I'm going to withdraw that postulate and I'm going to create it on top of it and just cancel it out and say, okay, that's that. And once you get these incomplete cycles, you'll find that your flows open up. Same thing occurs with auditing as you handle these stuck considerations that you've made, or they're considerations that you've made that are altered from what the real reality is. That's an incomplete cycle as well so correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 2:But then a completed cycle then leads to non-existence. Is that correct?
Speaker 1:well, it's an as-is. This give you as is, that you've set out what you you need to do. And then you know, and and this carries over into, uh, the scientology, ethics, conditions and power change. You know, the rule of power changes is you write up every hat on a poster position that you have and how to do it and get it in the hands of the guy who's going to be taking over the post yes, because I mean like, let's say you've got, um, an incomplete cycle from 30 years ago, for example.
Speaker 2:You know, uh, I don't know, a relationship had failed and you knew you did something wrong to create that. Yeah, and it's always haunting you in the back of your mind like it's just there, yeah, it's an incomplete cycle. You know, to complete that cycle might be to make amends with this person, for example yeah, confront it, finish it. But it could also be as simple as making a decision. There is nothing I can do about that, it's done. Yeah, so that can be that just, just that kind of decision, like you were saying before you know this is too hard, um, and not making a decision about it versus wow, wow, I'm really out of my league, this will be impossible for me to do. Like, similar kind of approaches to ending that cycle, however one's definite, a definite decision has been made and the other one is still question mark.
Speaker 2:I'm still not sure how to proceed.
Speaker 1:I mean, you know, when you get in a situation, some things never come clear, like we were talking about earlier this morning. You know you want a written document of okay, this is how everything went down, why it went down, how it went down, and it is the absolute truth, not from anybody's viewpoint, it is just an as-is-ness. Yes, that's something in the physical universe. When it becomes an as-is-ness, Right, Right and the only way if it's left uninspected through two-way communication, or if you're a solo auditor and you're solo auditing it, you can still get an as-is-ness on it as well. Until then, it's going to mess with you, just like where you left your keys.
Speaker 2:Can we expand a little bit on as-is-ing something, because when I was first introduced to that um, I actually found it really difficult to get my head around. Um, how do you as is something?
Speaker 1:most people do you know how do you as is something?
Speaker 2:how do you as is something? Um, how do you get to a point where you've as is something? It doesn't affect you anymore? You see it for what it is well, you, you.
Speaker 1:I mean there's a little bit that goes, that goes into that. I mean you know where you want to say a little bit or a lot is, yeah what is irresponsibility is it an isness, an alter isness? Not isness. It's definitely not an as isness, so it's not isness.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it's an alter. Alter is um. Yeah, because there's an element of avoidance there. There's an element of um. There's no confronting that. There's no completed cycle.
Speaker 1:Right, because non-confront is an incomplete cycle and that's why auditing works, is the auditor directs the PC's attention, the preclear's attention, to look at things that they are unwilling to inspect themselves. You know it's sort of a okay, go ahead, take a look, but I don't want to. It's all right, go ahead and take a look, it's not gonna bite you, take a look. Take a look. Well, there was yeah and da-da-da-da-da, yeah, da-da, yeah, okay, and you know if you're dealing with. I mean, you know, responsibility is difficult for any being because they have to own up to it and that takes a tremendous amount of confront.
Speaker 1:You know whether you're talking about Genghis Khan eliminating 10% of the population today. You know, like you were mentioning earlier this morning. You know, like you remember you were mentioning earlier this morning, uh, you know the being that was gingus khan and getting gingus khan to look at that and go. So what did you there? All gingo, um, wow, I don't. I don't see anything wrong with it, that's just what I did, did, okay. Would you want that done to you? Well, no, okay. So what, what? What happened there? You know, and it's not.
Speaker 2:This is why I'm doing it to someone else, because I don't want it, because I don't want it done to me right, exactly right.
Speaker 1:You know it's better to be it's better to be proactive than it is reactive.
Speaker 2:And he was extremely proactive.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he was extremely proactive, as you kill them before they kill you. End of story that's it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1:And this is the common thread on this planet is the only way to survive is extinguish your enemy and extinguish any of the things I mean. There's that old expression dead men don't tell tales. So what is it that a person is doing if you look at it through the lens of an incomplete cycle, where they're extinguishing a person or getting them out of their space, or out of their country, or out of their planet or out of their universe? Why is it that they're doing that? Well, they're committing an overt on top of another overt in order to withhold the fact that they did something else. So where is the ultimate incomplete cycle in that? Well, the incomplete cycle is go ahead.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no go go.
Speaker 1:The incomplete cycle is that they created this idea that I need to take out 10% of the world's population today yeah, yeah, because, um, and it could be like the simplest of reasons according to him.
Speaker 2:Well, it could be from the outside. It could be the simplest of reasons as to why he chose to do that well, yeah I mean, it would have been as it's a postulate. Yeah, yeah, as a kid, you know, the neighboring village stole a loaf of bread from his family because I was starving. Yeah, so he could have created that postulate. When he's man enough and old enough, he's not going to be short of bread again. And it could be like that.
Speaker 1:That's simple yeah, you look at the parables. And in modern culture, the same thing happened to Anakin Skywalker in Star Wars. How did Darth Vader become Darth Vader? The Sand People killed his mom. I actually can't remember. The Sand People killed his mom. That's right. Yes, okay, that's right. And he thought that that was unjust and he already had, you know, abilities with a lightsaber and all this stuff. So he just went out and killed every sand person he could find in the camp women and children and men and everything. And then, once you do that, it's much easier because you desensitized yourself. That it's that you can then continue on killing and killing in larger groups. And then you, let's, let's fast forward it to you know, grand Moff Tarkin on the Death Star, and and Darth Vader standing there next to Princess Leia, there next to, uh, princess leah, and we will make a demonstration and we will destroy the planet of alderaan with our big old death star is a contrast.
Speaker 2:Yeah, um, a failed artist named adolf hitler versus um, a lawyer named Gandhi, right, well, so both of them did big things and they both had their their reasons for doing so.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But in very different, contrasting ways.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, I mean the same, but they both had their motivators to do what they did yeah, well, and you know there's that one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist type of a thing and all of these things. You have different viewpoints and stuff like that. I mean you, you could find good with with the worst person and you could find horrible with the best person. You know, absolutes are unattainable. Gandhi Gandhi was a little loose in the sex department, you know, he, he, he had, he had lots of affairs and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:Martin Luther King had affairs, you know, and and uh, hitler, uh, you know, brought brought together a nation that had been completely beat down after World War I and he was fed up with Germany being everybody's bitch. Basically is what it came down to. You know, from Hitler's viewpoint, he was trying to restore a country that had been completely broken in the department of World War I. They were, they were behind the eight ball and you know a lot of germans were like, well, you know, look, you know we're, we're, we're rising to power and everything. And then things got out of control and then you know they started going after the jews and all this stuff. So you know there's good and bad, because even before that.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, that's right. But like even before that, like you know, one man saw, saw evil in the world. Well, actually, to some degree, they both saw evil in the world, um, you know, through, you know gandhi, through the money aspect, and then you know the politics and that kind of thing, um, hitler, through control, um, they both saw some kind of poison in the world and they both took completely polar opposite approaches on how to handle it right, and so we're pretty interesting where, where does, where does incomplete cycles, and as is this.
Speaker 1:What does this have to do with gandhi and adolf hitler? I'm sure are listening to? Well, I suppose there's like you know where are we headed with this what are you talking about?
Speaker 2:yeah, um, I guess. I guess they both attempted to complete their cycles, but in very different ways, and one was well, actually, maybe they're both overtly. They were both overtly done in a sense as well. Um, and the only real difference really is one was for the greater good of man. Well, even then, if I say that they both had the opinion of being the greater good of some.
Speaker 1:You know what's good is a matter a matter of viewpoint, and you know, uh yeah, like hubbard says, you know what's true for you is true for you. Well, you know, the extinguishing of the jewish religion and the, the, the jewish bloodline, was the greatest good for the greatest number, for germany through hitler's eyes.
Speaker 2:But you know, you have gandhi through gandhi fighting complete peace right is his version of of that right and look at.
Speaker 1:Look at india today is it any better, is it any worse? Look at germany is it any better, is it any worse? Look at Germany Is it any better, is it any worse? But you know, and you know who are we to judge on what's good, bad or indifferent. But an incomplete cycle or a completed cycle of action is only as good as it is helpful to the dynamics, all of the dynamics, yeah self, family, community, spiritually planets animals, you know, the physical universe at large, all that stuff, and so that's that's why it's important to try and look at the most pro-survival things.
Speaker 1:How many dynamics does it help? And it's easy for a being to justify well, it helps all of my dynamics to do X. But does it really? Because the thing is, the thing is is that a lot of the things that a person creates aren't the greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics, because a lot of it is impulsive, driven by a reactive mind that is full of incomplete cycles. So it's almost preordainedly if you'll excuse the new word, it's preordained to fail, because you're creating on top of a create on top of a create on top of a create on top of a create, and that is why the physical universe is persistent. It is one big pancake on pancake on pancake of incomplete cycles by things who agree yeah, this needs to persist. So we're all contributing to the persistence of the physical universe through our postulation, alteration and incomplete ideation and doingness in the physical universe. So if you've got a lot of earlier stuff going on, you are contributing to a furthering of the alter isness, not the as isness, and what you're doing when you're auditing a lot of people is. You're unwinding this big, huge Gordian knot of alter is to getting an as-is-ness Yep, and you do this on a wider and wider aperture of scale as you go up the bridge. The amount of charge that you are handling when you get on the bridge, the amount of charge that you are handling when you get on the upper end of the ot levels is tremendous, because you're undoing so many knots within knots, not only for yourself, knots, not nots, as in ned for ots, it is that but you're undoing these persistent knots throughout the time track in a chain that are connected to you and other beings, and these other beings aren't even aware of what it is that you're doing, but it's because of your interactions with those beings. You got this butterfly effect.
Speaker 1:You do something with Joe, joe does something with Bob. Bob does something with Sally. Sally does something with Mary. Mary does something with joe. Joe does something with bob. Bob does something with sally. Sally does something with mary. Mary does something with steve, and and, and so there's this, this almost cacophony or echo of I do something to you, you do something to me, they do something to this, and, and then next we're all extinguishing dues, and those are incomplete cycles, yes, and I think also, like, let's say, there's an incomplete cycle between two people and two people only.
Speaker 2:I believe, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe, let's say, I make a decision on that incomplete cycle that will also affect the other person, even if I made that decision solely for myself. Because the moment I change my being and remove that physical mass from my body, then I'm breaking that cycle. I'm no longer keeping it alive for the other person either that's right so.
Speaker 2:So, for example, let's say you and I had a disagreement around something. You storm off, I storm off, and then I think about it and I make a proper like I end that cycle properly within myself. I don't talk to you about it. What are the chances that's going to affect your psyche and your mass around it as well?
Speaker 1:it does, it does, this is, this is, this is how the suppressed person run down in scientology, which is the ultimate auditing action to handle the suppression from a suppressive person without actually dealing with a suppressive person.
Speaker 2:It's working on a psychic level.
Speaker 1:Because we're all in the same room.
Speaker 1:We're all in the same room and you're handling it through the theta universe, not the physical universe, and you do that all the time on the OT levels, and so you're completing cycles of action for them without having to use the physical universe as a via. And we've talked about this before on telepathy and how you can be telepathic is the last thing you want to do is use the physical universe as a via, because it's sort of like you have a perfect telecommunication device, which is you, and then you go well, I'm going to run it through the physical universe and of course they're going to get my communication. Nope, you just skip the physical universe altogether and you just address the being and their creations. That are incomplete cycles and you handle them with truth, and truth is the ultimate responsibility. That is how as-is-ness occurs.
Speaker 2:Lies are the opposite, which is also the most confronting aspect.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right, and if you can't confront what it is that you've created in the beginning, you're going to end up in a world of hurt. What were your motives? What were your decisions? Why are you doing this? Why are you doing this? Why are you getting involved in this particular action? Is it a truth or is it a lie?
Speaker 2:So what kind of physical things can a person feel? Let's say, somebody's listening to this for the first time and it's a brand new concept to them. Um, like, how would you know if you've got incomplete cycles? Like, what kind of physical things would occur to a person? Um, you know they've got an enormous amount of incomplete cycles stacked up in their being and they're not even aware of it what's the primary, what's the primary problem on your mind?
Speaker 1:that's an incomplete cycle. Yep, if you, if you just ask the person as an auditor and I'm not auditing anybody by doing this, okay, so we're not, we're not taking you in session if you were just to ask a person what has been left uncommunicated that's an auditing process you could spend hours on that what has been left uncommunicated and you'd find that people would try to go to the theta universe immediately and then be slapped back and they'd be dropped down the tone scale into the physical universe immediately and then be slapped back and they'd be dropped down the tone scale into the physical universe. And well, I never did find that set of keys, or I this or I that. But it all comes down to is it's an incomplete communication with someone or something or self, and you just get those off.
Speaker 1:What was left uncommunicated, whether it's I didn't communicate with the car and I didn't wash it yes, that's an incomplete communication. But also at the bottom of that is the incomplete communication of what was it you were postulating in the beginning and should you have postulated it? That's the one that that can bake your noodle a little bit yeah, yeah yeah, I decided I was going to rob a bank.
Speaker 1:the only the only way to get rich is to play the lottery. Those are postulates, okay, yes, and and those are incomplete cycles of their own, because there's no responsibility there. You're placing responsibility on the lottery numbers being correct, you see? Yep, so you have to look at, well, what is it that I'm postulating? Well, if you're postulating killing off 10% of the population today, you know, after you have your coffee and your Genghis Khan, what's underlying that, that's making you create these postulates that are going to become even further incomplete cycles. You've got to look at the basics, and those basics are what gets you to make, and decide to make these postulates that are not the greatest good for the greatest number or yourself, because it's it's a, it's a solution to a problem that becomes a further problem yep and a problem is something that persists it's just a bunch of pancakes that just keep stacking on top of each other.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you have to go okay. Well, what wasn't completely communicated there? Well, mommy and daddy didn't love me. Well, how is that not communicated? Well, they didn't communicate it to me, they didn't know how to communicate it to me. And then you have to unwind that. And Genghis Khan, you know, dad didn't give it to me, they didn't know how to communicate it to me. And then you have to unwind that. And Genghis Khan, you know, dad didn't give him enough attention. I'm not saying it's always a mommy-daddy thing, I'm just using that as an example. You know I'm not trying to get Freudian.
Speaker 2:But it's pretty common.
Speaker 1:But it's pretty common, you know, or I didn't get the attention that I needed to get. Okay, you didn't get the attention that you needed to get. Okay, why did you need that attention? You know, because attention is the second greatest particle in this universe, second only to admiration. If you can't get admiration, what are you trying to get? You're trying to get attention for admiration, and therein lies the rub yep, yep, yeah, it's an interesting.
Speaker 2:It's a very interesting concept. This one um very powerful though when utilized. Yeah, um, like you can, you can resolve so much stuff over a cup of coffee, pen and paper and just make some decisions on some shit that has been in the back of your mind for years, yeah, decades yeah, you write down a list of incomplete cycles and then you go okay, so let me unwind this.
Speaker 1:how, how did how did this lead to this, lead to this, lead to this, lead to this, lead to this, and you to this, lead to this, lead to this, lead to this, and you can pull that thing all the way down If you did that with just one thing, just with a pen and paper, your flows would absolutely turn around and your self-worth would skyrocket Instantly.
Speaker 2:And that's the incredible thing about it as well is the moment you make a decision and look, let's be fair, like some of them will require some kind of physical doing um, you know, might be making a phone call, you know finally sending, yeah, that, um payment that you owe, um, exactly you know, apologizing to someone or telling someone to get effed, whatever it is for you. Once it's done, it's done and the cool thing is, it doesn't even enter your mind ever again.
Speaker 2:Right, you just have to look at it, which is yeah, and the weight that falls off you is just incredible. You can breathe, your chest opens up when you breathe, you're not so constricted, or you know, looking at the ground all the time, you'll actually look up and just be like, oh, I've missed all this all this time.
Speaker 1:Right, right, and all of that goes around, an incomplete cycle of action. You know, yeah, you're this wizard with this wand, and this wand is postulates. You put things into effect because you considered something to be a certain way. Well, why did you consider it to be a certain way? Because you used your wand earlier and you put another postulate there and another postulate with the wand, and you have this consideration and you unwind that and you and you go oh, I did this because I wasn't, I wasn't loved enough. Okay, so why? Why did you consider you weren't loved enough? Because I didn't get enough attention, I didn't get enough admiration. But did you give enough attention? Did you give enough admiration? It's a two-way street, it's a two-terminal universe. You can't just say I didn't get, I didn't get, I didn't get. What did you, what did you give? And you know, I'm I'm not trying to be corny here, but you know, at the, at the, very at the very end of Abbey Road, the Beatles' final album.
Speaker 1:What is the last concept of that album?
Speaker 2:Oh God, I can't remember what the last song is the Love you Take is equal to the he Comes Asun, is it?
Speaker 1:No, that's the first song on the second side. The Love you Take is equal to the love you make.
Speaker 2:Hmm, hmm. You know what I find even more mind-blowing about a lot of these processes? They are so stupidly simple in nature yeah yet so hard to a confront.
Speaker 1:B do c complete yeah, they're, they're, they're really simple. Uh, alex, a Collier who is one of these. He's been around for 30 years and he still does lectures. He said that to get a little UFO-y. He says that the Andromedans say that the pain you carry is the love you fail to express. Pretty much which is a withhold, yeah right.
Speaker 2:Just being afraid to say something could be an incomplete cycle.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and that's the same as what the Beatles were saying. You know, the love you take is equal to the love you make. And who's responsible for that? You know, resentment is a powerful thing, but it's also a postulate. Yes, it is. Resentment comes from an incomplete cycle of action.
Speaker 1:That's really good. What did you fail to communicate? Whether it's to a person, to the physical universe, to yourself, maybe you couldn to communicate, yeah. Whether it's to a person, to the physical universe, to yourself, maybe you couldn't communicate it. Maybe you were. You were helen keller.
Speaker 2:You were blind and deaf which is interesting, because even just acknowledging that could also complete your cycle, just acknowledging that there was literally nothing that can be done about it and owning it that way, you know what? And it's funny? Because when you write stuff down, you get to look at it from an objective perspective, as opposed to trying to let it roll around in your mind, space which is completely infinite. The moment you put something on pen and paper, you look at it and you think, my god, why was I even worrying about that? Right, what a stupid, bloody thought. And then you cross it out, yeah, yeah, and then it just disappears. I, I like it's insane.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I would have to say that the biggest if you were to look at it on a higher arc the biggest incomplete cycle a being can have, is the failure to inspect properly.
Speaker 2:Good one. Good one, great one.
Speaker 1:That is alter isness, failure to inspect. Interesting, because if you don't want to look at it, if you don't want to look at it, it isn't going anywhere yeah, which means you got to carry that shit to the end and you could carry it an awful long time, because a being mocks up that mass, and what is that mocking up of mass?
Speaker 1:and that failure to inspect is your creatingness, your postulates, and that's all you do. Yes, I can create, create, yeah, I conceive it to be this way. Therefore, it is boom, yeah, yeah, and then you go I'm, I'm not going to inspect that and you, and that's the cycle, that is the cycle of action, that is. That is as basic as it gets. You can't get any more basic with a being that does nothing but create, either it controllably or, in this case, uncontrollably, and then fails to inspect their uncontrollability of their own creation.
Speaker 2:Mic drop and then you create Frankenstein. That's right, a monster you can't control.
Speaker 1:That's right. You unleash the horde into the world and you take out 10% of the population, but you won't inspect the fact of the damage that it causes and how. I mean you know, if, if you were to just look at the, you were just look to look at the butterfly effect of how one thing affects another in the physical universe. Yes, how, as far as connections go, and I and I'd like to mention this, so people look this up on YouTube. There's two series from Great Britain, from the BBC, by a fellow by the name of James Burke. It's called Connections and it takes you from chicken poop to the atomic bomb in one episode. How did this affect this? Affect this? Affect this as far as inventions, how all of these ideas came up and it's all the, the derivations of concepts from one thing to another. Same thing. Same thing applies. It's on youtube, it's free, they're excellent. Same thing applies to gingus k Khan.
Speaker 1:What effects did his cause cost the human race this time around on this planet? How many great people were taken out that would have caused these effects? That might have changed the entire path of history? That's right. That's right Because he failed to inspect the fact that he shouldn't be doing something like what he was doing, and I guarantee you the guy that's, that's Genghis Khan.
Speaker 1:If, if he's a poodle pissing on somebody's leg, sitting there, shivering and whining, that would be a better state than what he's probably in as a being. This is what happens to beings, because they paint themselves into a corner, into a smaller space, into a smaller space, into a smaller space, into a smaller space, and then all of a sudden, they can't even inhabit a body anymore and they have to be somebody else as a being and can't even control a body, because they've reduced themselves down to a speck A speck. And LRH even says the greatest fear of a thetan is that they will and I didn't say this, he did, but I agree with it the greatest fear of a thetan is that they will become a molecule, they will become completely solid. Now my next question is and I think this is a good place that we can leave this for people to ponder how many grains of sand are on one beach alone, let alone in the physical universe.
Speaker 2:A lot. So, much so I can't even compute it.
Speaker 1:Right. So this tells you a couple of things. Incomplete cycles are a bitch. It's time to take a look at them and inspect, because if you don't, you don't, don't, even, don't even look at time, just look at where you could end up. You have to inspect, and inspection requires responsibility. If you can't inspect, you're done for. That's it, yeah. Yeah, it's really good. There's a leaky pipe and you're in a box. If you don't fix that leaky pipe, you're going to drown. Yep, because there's no way out no windows, no door, no leaks. You're done for. If you, if you handle the leaky pipe, okay, now you've got a shot and then you can go from there. Just just just a little analogy failure, the failure to inspect.
Speaker 2:And when you, when you um mentioned the sand, I thought to myself okay, you start out as a solid rock, but all those waves that keep hitting you will eventually turn you into a in the sand. You know, you, you can't even perceive what your being should have been originally, because you know, slowly, slowly, you know, the rock just turned into sand right, so an incomplete cycle.
Speaker 1:An incomplete cycle is where you get from I am to I am. I am a limitless, boundless being that can do anything and everything and is basically God-like to a grain of sand on a beach or a molecule in that grain of sand, all because of your inability to inspect. That's it. Yeah, it's all an incomplete cycle.
Speaker 2:Failure to inspect your own creates yep, yeah, it's really good, well done so I hope everybody enjoyed this little conversation.
Speaker 1:And this isn't me singing Kansas' Dust in the Wind. All we are is dust in the wind. That's not the point. It's the opposite. It's that simple. Take a look, take a look. So, for Artie and myself, we hope you've enjoyed this podcast and it's given you some food for thought. Get up the bridge. It's the best thing you can do, namaste, and we love you. Bye-bye.
Speaker 2:Bye-bye, thank you. Thank you. Thanks for watching.