Scientology Outside of the Church Podcast
Did you know Scientology the Subject and The Church of Scientology are two completely different things? Find out why and what the difference is and how it can help you. Topics range from Independent Scientology, solving life's problems, past lives, secret government, metaphysical, Para-Scientology, UFOS/UAPS, ghost hunting, spirituality, and a lot more! Come check us out!
Scientology Outside of the Church Podcast
SE10EP13 - False Data - You've Been Dis-Informed
Ever feel trapped in a web of misinformation? Join us in our latest episode of Scientology Outside of the Church, as we unpack the complex world of misinformation and false data. With my co-hosts, Arthur and Quenton, we ponder thought-provoking questions about the pervasive impact of misleading information across media and society. Through the lens of L. Ron Hubbard's ideas on false data stripping, we share personal anecdotes about how authority figures can, knowingly or unknowingly, spread false information and discuss the importance of questioning everything as a path to truth.
Our discussion takes a broader perspective as we liken the societal impacts of misinformation to living on a "prison planet," where cultural conditioning and fear-based controls dominate. We draw parallels between this situation and popular culture, like the Matrix movie, to illustrate how breaking free from these constraints requires self-awareness and a deep understanding of one's existence. As we explore these themes, we encourage listeners to challenge societal norms and embark on a journey of self-discovery and personal growth, emphasizing that authentic self-improvement begins within.
Want to strip away false narratives and achieve clarity? We provide practical steps to help listeners identify credible sources and overcome obstacles to personal growth. From exploring the "Be, Do, Have" framework to the journey toward becoming an Operating Thetan, we offer insights into recognizing and clearing false data. We wrap up with a heartfelt message of unity and purpose, inviting listeners to learn more about progressing toward OT2 and offering a pathway to spiritual awareness and transformative experiences. Join us as we challenge the status quo and inspire a new perspective on truth and understanding.
Website: ao-gp.org
Be social and join US!: collegeofindependentscientology.com
Take our personality test and get a free evaluation: https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/RHJQ6DY
Hi everybody and welcome to another Scientology Outside of the Church brought to you by the Advanced Order of the Great Plains. This is Season 10, episode 13. I'm here with Arthur and Quentin, my trusty sidekicks, and today's podcast is going to be about misinformation and false data through the lens of independent Scientology. Now, there's an awful lot of misinformation and false data out there we could start off with. Just because it's on the internet doesn't make it true as a start, and more and more people lean towards the information on the internet as the gospel, uh media, if you want to call it is on the internet tv, news, radio, you name it full of misinformation and false data. So we're going to look at it through this particular viewpoint of independent scientology and some of the misinformation and false data that's out there. This is going to be sort of a broad brush podcast as opposed to a specific topic, but I think it'll be fun, educational and entertaining all at the same time, especially with the group of guys we have here.
Speaker 2:Absolutely.
Speaker 1:So what happens when a person has false data? If we looked at the LRH reference false data stripping what happens is when you have false data, you can't think with something. It doesn't make sense to you. In a lot of cases, false data is out there more and stronger than is correct information. You just don't know that. You don't know, and I think that that's a good jumping off point, because then we get into the direction of indoctrination, wouldn't you guys say?
Speaker 3:Oh, absolutely, wouldn't you go say oh, absolutely, because, obviously, if, yeah, because if, if a person doesn't know what to think with or how to apply the information effectively, then you can easily kind of indoctrinate them into kind of whatever you want. You know, it's interesting, you know, growing up in the church um, in the christian church, should I say grew up in the church, in the Christian church, should I say grew up in the Christian church, you could see, I've literally seen a pastor take a Bible scripture and shift it into a cake recipe. And the scripture wasn't nothing about cake, wasn't nothing about food, wasn't even about that. But somehow he got to preach it and turned it into the whole thing, into a cake recipe. And the whole church was running around and got the Holy Ghost off of a cake recipe.
Speaker 1:Now, that's an interesting left turn.
Speaker 1:But you know that's how it is left turn. Uh, but you know that's, that's, that's how it is is the sources that you have, that you're using um can come up as false data because you don't know what the truth is. Now let's let's go back to when you were a kid and you were in school and I know Arthur's going to say something about this real quick you were told by a perceived wait for it authority that something was a certain way. And you were young and you said well, just like we say, if it's on the internet, it must be true. Well, if my teacher told me this, or my mother or my father or my brother or my sister or my aunt or my uncle told me this, it must be true. Right, we've all done it. Right, we've all done it. We've all done it.
Speaker 1:And so you're operating off of these bits of information that you've been indoctrinated in as well, because what you're doing and this goes back to the podcast on Friday that Arthur and I did about incomplete cycles so what is a false datum? A false datum is itself an incomplete cycle, because if you complete a cycle of action, you must have what you must have ARC, affinity, reality, communication and understanding. And then you have knowledge, responsibility and control, which equals power, because you can't control something if you don't have KRC for it and ARC for it. So you're operating off of something that somebody has found. That might be a computation, a computation that I must lie to people in order to get my way. That would probably be the most prevalent one if you were to just say okay, this is the basis of all control, because LRH says the only way you can control a person is to lie to them. Think about that for a minute. Yeah, how, how early, how early were we all educated on that?
Speaker 2:santa claus, easter, uh, the story of bethlehem, what else? Fairies, dragons, god, the list goes on and on and on. Right Quentin.
Speaker 3:I was raised a little different. Let me see Are areas where see my teachers didn't like me, because I would always ask them how do you know that?
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, that's the point is, you have to question authority, you have to question everything, but in your case you were asking your, so you sort of like, do you got? You were asking your teachers, do you got a reference?
Speaker 3:Right and did and did I remember Ms Price, ms Price, boy oh boy. I'm sorry, ms Price, but I used to put her through it because she would be, she would be teaching and I would like wait I don't understand where you got that from. And she'd be like just trust me, that's how it is, I'm like that ain't how it works. She would literally say it. She would say just trust me. And I was like no, sweetie.
Speaker 2:I can't do that, even from my end. When I tell people that I study Scientology, the looks I get even just from that, and that's a big misinformation as well, because, let's be honest, when you start studying this stuff, it teaches you about what we're talking about, how to look for misinformation, how to look for a truth to the best of your ability with the information you have available.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it's funny how the misconceptions of what's out there at the moment versus when you actually do it. I'm not saying that shitty things don't happen. Shitty things happen in all organizations happen in all organizations, but just the looks and sometimes the perceptions people will all of a sudden have of me that they didn't before I find really interesting yeah.
Speaker 1:So it's one of those situations with when you look at Scientology and the definition of the word is knowing how to know. You just might be a threat to the establishment.
Speaker 3:Right, because we actually would actually go looking for things. You know my family growing up we had a I'm going to use the word a distrust, borderline fear, even of the medicos like doctors and stuff like that. Uh, it stemmed from my great grandmother. She had this uh, she was 98 years old and she had a inflammation of her knee and the doctor immediately whipped her into surgery and ended up killing her, you know, and we were like wait, why would you even cut into a 98-year-old body? You know there was other things that we could have done. It's run its course.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, there were other things that we could have done first that could have treated the knee besides taking her into surgery around it. But I say that to say because there's some misinformation that abounds, I believe, at least in the medical field, like from vaccines to, you know, certain treatments and stuff like that. There's a lot of unknowns and a lot of misinformation, a lot of false data that exists out there that people don't know how to think with it, don't know how to apply it, don't know what causes this and what causes that, you know, and all these other things, and so all of these things create a confusion and you just kind of function as best you can with the information that you have. You know, my doctor told me to take these pills and I'm taking nine different medications right now, not knowing what it's doing to your kidney, liver and other functions of the body.
Speaker 1:You know functions of the body. You know, yeah, yeah, and, and you know it's, it's, if you look at the uh, the, the hcob about uh, verbal tech, the verbal tech checklist, did the information come from a source who knew, and I'm paraphrasing did the information come from a source that you know is accurate? Is the key datum? Is the key datum? You don't know for sure what you're getting from a school teacher, what you're getting from your parents and the governments doctors, governments, doctors, what, whatever?
Speaker 1:even even the physical universe, you don't. You don't get a manual at three or two years old that says well, I did. It was a book called who Am I. That was written by somebody else other than LRH and I used to have a copy of it digitally and it explains who you are in a kid's terminology who you are and what the universe is around you, so you can understand. It's sort of like an instant hat of what the situation is. You're in a body, you're a child. That's cool, yeah, so it's really a good way to introduce somebody to something. Now, you know how many people have a copy of that, how many people read that type of a thing, but otherwise you're getting this information. I mean, I guess I could say and I hate to use this term because the church uses it, but it was before the church used it is the blind leading the blind, yeah.
Speaker 2:And this is information. Go ahead and misinformation is ruling the world at the moment, like in every way possible, which is really interesting. You know, like you were saying, quentin, the medical. You know, like even you, john, just around, you know who am, who am I, I. Everything is based on misinformation, everything to what we should look like, to what our relationship should be like, to what we're eating, to what medications we should be taking, you know to what traumas we should be suffering. You know, to our freedoms, to our boundaries, to our all these concepts that have just come out can be so misleading in so many ways and it's really dangerous, and a lot of it has to do with money, like making money.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, information is power. The old adage of knowledge is power also. And to that degree and I hate to say this, but if you look at the larger arc of the whole thing, it is a situation of you're only being told the minimum, because that way, and to Arthur's point, when we talk about which is another arbitrary and a lie the financial system is you're only being told the bare minimum that allows you go to school. You're being taught to be anything but an obedient worker and to follow the rules. You're kidding yourself. You're being indoctrinated to be a person who needs credit, who has to pay interest, who has to pay for insurance, who has has to pay their taxes, who has to live, live the American dream.
Speaker 1:And he even says and he was spot on he says it's an American dream, but it's not the type of dream you think it is. And that's false information, that's false data, because you're on a series of now I'm supposed to's, I'm supposed to do this, I'm supposed to do that, and you're supposed to just do this for 75 to 100 years. And you were an economic slave, because if you knew the score, you wouldn't play that game. And that's partially why we're Scientologists, is because we got enough information and said this is how Arthur would say hang on, that's full on.
Speaker 2:Okay, here's one for you. So I just Googled misinformation and I didn't realize there was a difference here. But misinformation is false information that is spread due to ignorance or by error or mistake without the intent to deceive. Disinformation is knowingly false information designed to deliberately mislead and influence public opinion or obscure the truth for malicious or deceptive purposes, Manipulate. I didn't recognize there was a difference between misinformation and disinformation.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the prefix mis and dis Look at the word discussion, dis-cussion and this is Quentin. Does this all the time, like when you talk about culture. Cult is the root word for culture and and we could, we could spend the rest of the podcast on that, but this is this is right there this, yeah, this is, this is the culture. You, you are in a petri dish with a certain environment and you are, you are being grown in a culture much like you would yogurt.
Speaker 3:In a social lab.
Speaker 1:In a social lab on a planet that is a prison planet, that never heard of Scientology, who have been told this exact same thing, who have either quote unquote been visited by off-worlders or those from other modalities or universes, whatever you wanna call it. They've told them the same thing and this goes as far as and we're gonna go to the far end of the spectrum. Go into the light end of the spectrum. Go into the light when you die.
Speaker 1:Instead of turn around and avoid that attraction to go into the light in order to be put back in the Petri dish again, just turn around as a being and look behind you, and not look at the light behind. Just look. I mean a Thetan sees in 360 degrees, but your attention is being drawn to the light to go to this implant station that takes your memories and implants you with this Okay, you're going to go back. You're not going to remember any of this and everything, because if they didn't do that, you'd naturally per LRH, you'd naturally turn back to your own OT roots within about three or four lifetimes.
Speaker 1:And they certainly can't have that, and that is how they control you is by lying to you. This is what you are living in as a being, in a body. This is the larger up at the top. All of this other stuff that we just talked about is right below that, because this is the only way they can control a being who doesn't die is they get you to think that you have to walk around in a meat suit and you have to do all of this stuff because they don't want you to know that you live forever. They're pretty scared of you. They're pretty scared of us, because they wouldn't do that unless that was the case.
Speaker 3:Wouldn't you guys agree?
Speaker 3:I totally agree.
Speaker 3:And if you remember the movie the Matrix, and particularly I think it was the second one the architect said that for some reason, this anomaly kept showing up after about he said six after about six revisions or incursions of the matrix, and this anomaly called the Neo, or they call it Neo, the one would show up and he was the one that was able to see through the Matrix, to break out the Matrix.
Speaker 3:Right, you talked about returning to One's OT abilities after about three lifetimes, three or four lifetimes. And so the Architect says, for some reason, after about six lifetimes or six cycles, the One would show up and we had to put in provisions to keep the one from manifesting or or kill him before he manifested. And so this, this is some real stuff, like um, and I think what's interesting about it is and I'm entertained by kind of stuff like that, but I think what's interesting about it is is that lrh talks about how there's no aspect of our society that's not rampant with false data. There's nothing downright to your friends and family members, Like your parents trying to parent you. They're parenting you with false data.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that was my point earlier is they're parenting you with false data that has been handed down and handed down, handed down and handed down, not only just in spoken word, but, more importantly, in action. Yeah, modeling, because what is it? What is an engram? What is secondary? What is a lock? These are visual representations that the thetan has recorded and said this is a symbol for this, and the reason why it is a symbol for this is it becomes a. Thou shalt not forget that the stove is hot. I shouldn't touch it. So that is a symbol that persists, that the thetan is being told they need to create and mock up in order to survive. This is the reactive mind and LRH, if you want to use the term, just since we were talking about it. Lrh was Neo. He said you know, you don't have to do this right, check this shit out.
Speaker 3:Look what I can do.
Speaker 1:Look what I can do and you know what. And people could say well, you know, he figured it all and you see these people online and stuff like that. Who pays for religion? Religion should be free.
Speaker 2:Well, hang on a minute what's the tithing, all these things?
Speaker 1:right, what religion? And this goes. This goes right back to indoctrination. If you look up the derivation of indoctrination, it has religious beginnings yeah, doctrine yeah right.
Speaker 1:So right there, if it isn't your parents, it's your parents. Your parents were indoctrinated that we go to church on sundays and wednesdays, sometimes saturday afternoon, if they're. If they're, you would know more about this than I would go in an arthur, because you know I've been a scient. But I mean, they've been indoctrinated, so they indoctrinate you. And I'm going to be fair.
Speaker 1:The only reason I'm an independent Scientologist is because my dad got into Scientology when I was two.
Speaker 1:Now, granted, I was a past life Scientologist, and for me to explain that one, all I can say is it must have been a postulate on my part that I had something to do with that, but I was indoctrinated by my dad, just to be fair, in that Scientology was far better than the things that he had seen and he realized, look, this makes a lot more sense than this indoctrination over here, the Catholic Church or whatever.
Speaker 1:So it doesn't. And of course I'm biased and I want to make that point as well, that I see that that to me, this is the way you should go. But the thing is and this is something that LRH did that is very, very, very important, and you should put this in front of everything that you are hearing reading everything. What's true for you is true for you, but it can only be true for you if you have inspected it. If you can't inspect something correctly, scientology data series would apply. If you can't inspect something properly because of the reactive mind, because you've already indoctrinated yourself and said I can't touch stoves, I can't be in the kitchen because it's dangerous, I burned myself, you're already operating on mis-disinformation and indoctrination.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Because you can't see it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, you can't see it, you can't touch it, you can't, because if you step outside of your living world and if you try and use the internet, if you try and use books, you don't know if there's misinformation there either. You know? I mean, people are arguing about the map of the world, right? How big, how big is green? How big greenland is?
Speaker 1:disproportionately to all the other continents, when it's not really how far is the sun they're arguing about, if the world is flat around.
Speaker 3:That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what I'm saying, right? Which is so, which one's the truth? And you're either one side or on on the other side of the fence. Um, I remember, um, when Elvis um, it was very famous, as we all know, but he had a lot of haters as well, and I remember the same company that did the merchandise for Elvis fans also did the merchandise for Elvis haters wow so figure that one out you got.
Speaker 3:You got weapons for both sides well, and that's just it.
Speaker 2:So, when it comes to finding information, it's not an easy thing, you know I know the source, you know, I could say, yeah, well, that's just it. But how do you know if the source as well is not misinformation or disinformation?
Speaker 1:Right, and he mentions that in the data series, and it's the most I mean. People say you know these out points, these plus points, you know, and out points and plus points aren't the data series. It's just you're looking for these strings to pull and you're going okay, this is right, this is true, this is false. But the thing is is your data is only as good as your reliable source period. The emanation point of these things and if you and to go back to the reactive mind, the reactive mind is not a reliable source but this is where all of our reliable sources as a child and as an adult come from is we're taking information from somebody else that has a reactive mind, or somebody else's, or there's a cabal or a conspiracy, and conspiracies abound when it comes to financial gain.
Speaker 1:Look at the tobacco companies. Look at the food companies they're one in the same. Look at the food companies they're one in the same. So this is something that you have to take into consideration is the information that I am receiving, is it true for me or is it not true for me? That's all good and fine, but the thing is, is the source is more important for you to be able to make your mind up as to whether it's true for you or not true for you, and that's the hardest thing to spot. Hillary says the hardest thing to spot is a missingness. If you don't know the source, what have you got? You have to stop it's disinformation.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:In the false data stripping HCLB 7 August 1979, he talks about how you can determine whether or not a person needs some false data stripping.
Speaker 3:And he talks about if a person can't be really hatted on a subject. If a person is not duplicating the material he studied and is incorrectly applying it or only applying part of it, despite clearing words, if a person rejects the material he is reading or the definition of the word that he's clearing. So like you're sitting here how many times has this happened in an argument or in a conversation or something like that? We're sitting here and we're looking at the same material. Like we're looking at the same piece of information and yet rejecting it out of hand, just like totally rejected. Like wait, did you understand that word? Like what's the definition of that word? And like you go back and you try to help a person clear the words or whatever, and they still are not getting it. Like there's some false data somewhere. You're thinking with something else, something else is being factored in.
Speaker 1:Right and you take this further, because this is what LRH developed to handle somebody who could not and wait for it, somebody who could not get a product on post in a job, in life, life. So if you wanted to, you wanted to zoom out. You could say auditing is the greater form of false data stripping, where false data stripping is homing in on a particular thing. If a person can't get something done, they can't get up the bridge. You could do false data stripping on them. If they they couldn't do a particular job, you can do false data stripping on them. But the thing is, what underlies that is always the concepts and words that people don't understand at the bottom of it.
Speaker 3:But you've got to find out what it is that they can't follow through with to then pull the string on what the misunderstood are can you, can you false data, strip me on millionaire, like being a millionaire, like, like, like to hit me, like, if the product is millionaire status, right, like hitting millionaire and for some reason you can't break through that barrier. Like you're making money, you're doing your thing, you're, you're operating, and yet, oh, I just can't break through.
Speaker 1:Whatever these barriers are Right, sure, can you flat out ask you yeah, I could just flat out ask you what is it that you can't think with in becoming a millionaire? A?
Speaker 3:valuable final product. Yeah, yeah, of course, of course we just we just plan at it, but a valuable final product that I can sell, that I that I can exchange over and over again for money to the sum of millionaire, a million okay. Okay, starting to value and find a product.
Speaker 1:So in front of that you'd have to say, okay, so what about that are you in disagreement with? What can you not think with on that?
Speaker 3:What am I disagreement? I'm not thinking with what product could I make, produce, manufacture, create that one would buy enough to be, for me to be a millionaire? I can't think with that product. What is that product? What is that?
Speaker 1:Okay, so how would you do that?
Speaker 3:How would I make the product or how would I start to think along those lines?
Speaker 1:How would you start to think along those lines?
Speaker 3:I need to get some source information on number one products that I want to represent and or create and then how to make it well enough, effective enough, best best that it would be exchangeable for money. To that to that.
Speaker 1:So okay, how? How can you not do that right now? What about that? Can't you do? How can you not do that right now?
Speaker 3:What about that can't you do? I can't duplicate. Oh, okay, this is interesting. I can't duplicate how to make my passion a product. Okay, I've not been able to make my passion into a product. Okay, what information do you not have that disallows you from doing that? Um, I would say none right now. I mean, I I have the information that would allow me to make my passion into a product, I being just haven't done it.
Speaker 1:so um somewhere somewhere I gotta okay, so what, what? What can you not think with about not doing it? What is stopping you from doing it?
Speaker 3:Oh, this is interesting. Okay, what is stopping me from doing it? Thinking that. So it's not a not thinking, but it's a thinking that having this preconceived notion or this thought that people only want my services a certain way, as opposed to thinking that there's more than one way that people can procure my wares, my services, my products, the things that I do, there's more than one way for people to procure it. Okay, and I've only been thinking that there's one way.
Speaker 1:Okay, so who told you that and what did they tell?
Speaker 3:you. Okay, so this is going to sound really crazy, but Montel Williams, so if you remember, back in the day, Montel Williams would come on. And I guess I got the notion that in order for one to be effective at what I do, you got to be like that, like, like, like. Yeah, you have to be a certain way and I and I'm, I'm, I have, I have a person in mind that I'm thinking on right now what is?
Speaker 1:what is that way?
Speaker 3:Like Sylvia Brown, like the way it's done with her. That way is the best way. That's the only way you're going to hit millionaire status. That's the only way to do it, and that became my thought back in the 90s.
Speaker 1:Okay, what is that way? Describe it to me.
Speaker 3:Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, like me, and I'm keeping it general on purpose, uh, just for the sake of the podcast. But yeah, me doing my operating in my post the way she operated in her post. Therefore that must be the right way. So I kind of looked at her as an authority and montiel williams was the one that kind of got me in connection with her. But I kind of looked at Sylvia Brown as an authority and so doing it her way is the way to become very successful at this and therefore I thought that that was the way to do it.
Speaker 1:Okay, so if that's the datum that you're operating off of, then that's the false data, because you're not a millionaire.
Speaker 3:Right, because if that was the only way, or that was the right way, then I would be producing that product. I would have that product on this post Exactly.
Speaker 1:So now what we need to do is find the correct data and fill that void with the correct data, particularly something from LRH or something that comes up in auditing might be another thing, but guaranteed guaranteed it is a particular successful valence that is being foisted off that this is how things should be in order to because again we get back to be do have In order to have millions. One has to do this and be this. That's how they present it have, do be Right when it's be do have. But the thing is is it's a false datum, that this is how you go about this and you can't think with it because you know, it's not your valence, yeah.
Speaker 3:So okay, so is false data stripping, false valence stripping.
Speaker 1:Boom, boom, boom, mic drop boom, boom, boom, mic drop.
Speaker 3:So auditing, scientology, auditing is it really is getting you back into your own valence where you can produce as you, you can be you and do the things of you to have the things that you want to have right?
Speaker 1:well, in this case, yes, yes.
Speaker 3:But I'm making it, yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, it's where we're.
Speaker 1:We're kind of doing the reductio ad absurdum type of a thing, right? That's? That's what it is is you're? You're dealing with something that has been presented to you and they've only given you part of the information. They've just said well, you just need, you just need to act like Sylvia Brown, right? Okay?
Speaker 3:You know what, until this conversation I had not spotted that. When you asked me who told you that the first thing I saw was freaking by Taylor Williams Wow, that's crazy, Now that that that brings us full circle.
Speaker 1:Just because Montel Williams said it on TV at 11 am doesn't make it true, Right? Because what is that? Is that a reliable source? You've been indoctrinated by major media outlets.
Speaker 3:Jeez, go ahead. Source you've been indoctrinated by major media outlets, jeez, so you should go ahead. That that applies. That. I was gonna say that applies across the board, I mean for everything from sesame street sure, sure, I mean, you know, you could.
Speaker 1:We could even go as far and be blasphemous and go, mr Rogers. Mr Rogers, yes, how dare you. But I mean, you know, I mean.
Speaker 3:I'm joking.
Speaker 1:I really have a problem with that one, but I think it's funny because maybe I mean, maybe not he was a really kind man and he really stood behind what his messages were. But you have to ask yourself. You have to ask yourself, when you're dealing with such a machine as this planet has in place, why in the world would they allow anything other than the narrative they wanted? I'm sorry, I don't mean to be a cynic.
Speaker 2:To be fair, if I was ruler of the earth, people would be living off my narrative.
Speaker 1:Right right. Because it doesn't matter whether you believe things are true or not. The fact of the matter is that they have the power, the positioning the money to do whatever it is they believe is correct. You don't. You don't Right, because if you don't have TV, you don't have radio, you don't have internet, your powers of observation, perceptibly, are cut off because you don't have any other input than the powers of your own observation and that would be being out in nature viewing things on your own.
Speaker 3:So you have to come to your own conclusions right.
Speaker 1:right, you could come to your own conclusions, but the fact of the matter is is, you know, you're sitting in front of a teacher, the teacher rolls in on an av card, a, a tv or an lcd screen or whatever now, or computers, and so now you're being indoctrinated in full, full spectrum At least. I mean, I'm 56. And I remember we were watching Electric Company with Rita Moreno and Morgan Freeman, you know, and all this stuff back when they were, you know, different, they had different significances, and they were on a public broadcasting service. And that public broadcasting service, the only way it could stay afloat was those goddamn annual fund drives. For a week, yes, because the government didn't want to fund that, because it was counterintuitive to their narrative.
Speaker 1:A for my viewers like you, that's right. Make your donation today $5, $10, $20, $100. We're watching this excellent programming Sesame Street, mr Rogers, on and on and on. But the thing so we're paying into the system of indoctrination and the powers that be, and we can get into this just for just a moment. They have to tell you what it is they're doing. Arthur, and I've talked about this a lot- you have to tell you what it is they're doing.
Speaker 1:Look at the one dollar bill. Look, I think it's a five dollar bill. You fold it a certain way. There's the Twin Towers in flames. There's the Pentagon in flames. These guys are putting this stuff out there and they're feeding it to you. And that's the unreliable, disreliable, misreliable sources that we're believing, that our parents, our teachers, our family, our significant others. It's agreement. You have to go into agreement in order to be, subjected to it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because, per the axioms, knowledge can only affect you at your level of awareness of it.
Speaker 1:That's right.
Speaker 3:You have to know that knowledge in order for it to affect you. Yeah, and this is happening in the music industry.
Speaker 2:Yes, well, it's just interesting just listening to you guys, and especially after doing that little process as well. There was no outside concepts other than the direct you involved. So, john, you're asking quinton direct questions. Quinton had to think about those questions for himself, based on his own perceptions on how to become a millionaire through a product. But what's interesting about that was there was nothing about this world added to that, which I find really interesting. All those social constructs that are out there that keep us distracted, take us off our course, take us off path, get us more interested in something else outside of us, whether it's politics, whether it's finances, whether it's whatever concept you could possibly think of, but it's all inside of us. This world is actually inside of us. It's not actually outside of us. Right, and just hearing that process as a demonstration, quinton has all the tools he needs to achieve his goal. He doesn't need anything other than himself, right you?
Speaker 2:know what I mean that's right you don't need anything other than you.
Speaker 3:That's right I am a millionaire, right, exactly, you know you don't need to know if the world's flat or round.
Speaker 2:You don't need to know who built the pyramids. You don't need to know if there's ufos. You don't need to know how deep traumas go. Who cares if there's narcissists in the world? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah and more blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, well, it's just so much noise.
Speaker 3:Well, I think that's also why it's called misinformation too, because it's like it's like this stuff is just spewing about. It's just spewing about and you, you collect what you can, you get what you can, and you work with the best you can, and this like I even go back to parents and and I don't know who this is for, but I'm feeling compelled to talk about it that, uh, who, whatever your parents was thinking with when they were raising you, that's what they had to think with.
Speaker 1:That's right. They're only as good as the data that they had, reliable or not? Yeah?
Speaker 3:And I don't know what you do with that. I don't know if you forgive them, I don't know if you understand them, I don't know if you create your own new sense of ARC with them, but it's like stop being so at effect to the misinformation and false data and all that stuff that people are working with, because it's made to put you at effect and you don't have to be.
Speaker 1:Right, well, and that that comes down to complexity and confronting that policy. Because if, if something is so complex, you ask the person okay, so what about this is so complex? Well, it's this. Okay, what about that thing, this, what about that, are you not confronting? Right, because if you're unwilling to change the false data, you're unwilling to look at something because it is so fantastic and so outside your reality. I've got to go to the gym five days a week in order to look like Daniel Craig in 007 movies. I've got to do that and I have to do it twice a day. I can't confront that.
Speaker 3:That's false data.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's the ultimate false data is what are you willing to do about the false day and this is across the boards, everybody listening to this podcast across the boards what are you willing to do about that and change that false data and re-educate yourself?
Speaker 3:And I say the same thing about love, about relationships, like 2d relationships, like there's so much false data in 2d relationships, you know what I mean. Like there's so like, like people are just just going by the wayside and just trying to figure, figure this whole thing out when it comes to 2d relationships and and this whole idea of you know, uh, what they callantic romance. And there's another word, chivalry. I think it's chivalry, chivalry, romance, and me traveling the world, and I see, I see what I would like to say. You can see the Western mix in some of our younger generations that their parents over here in Southeast Asia, at least they don't operate the same way.
Speaker 3:It's not, it's not the same. It's not a universal truth that all girls like flowers. It's just not a universal truth. Right, and there might be some indoctrination that girls like flowers, and girls are indoctrinated too, but it's just not a universal truth. And I'm just using this example, but I'm saying that to say is that we have this idea, this misinformation, this false data of what relationships should look like and what romance should be or what intimacy should be about, and all this stuff, and it's not real, it's not.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and then that just furthers industries.
Speaker 3:So and I want to say this, and I've said this in earlier podcasts Ka-ching, ka-ching.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the people that are really, really doing, being doing and having the things in life rarely make YouTube videos to tell you how to do it Almost never.
Speaker 2:Do you get what I'm saying? Error of numbers. Oh, I know exactly what you're saying.
Speaker 1:Right, because the thing is one one, they don't have time to do that. Two, they don't need to do that because they got it figured out and unless they're benevolent to a fault lrh being an example in, in my estimation you make up your own mind. Listeners, unless you're somebody like that, you're not going to see what it is that needs to be done in order to achieve a particular hat role, post purpose beingness, because those people are out there doing it already and they're not going to make a how-to video. They might write a book, but see, the thing is is why do you write a book? Why did LRH write Dianetics? Well, at the time that he wrote Dianetics, it was like this is a good idea, that I found that this thing worked. I've figured this out. I could make millions. That was his viewpoint. He said it himself. And then he realized and he said if you want to make money, start a religion. He said that, but in the context of look at the Catholic Church. It's one of the wealthiest institutions on the planet.
Speaker 3:Right, it was just observational. Like just observing it, you could say that was the answer. Yeah, so the thing is Just like my, sylvia.
Speaker 1:Brown, right, right. So you have to do your due diligence and you have to be able to confront the fact that if I knew how to do something, I would be doing it. That's where your false data lies. Period Period Because you'd already be doing it if you knew how to do it, unless you were aberrated in some area that was holding you back through false data, dis or misinformation, wouldn't you? Because if you're, not, you're that much more. I'm sorry, I'm just going to say it. You're that much more insane.
Speaker 3:Yeah, right. Why would you know the answer and not answer the question?
Speaker 1:Right, right. If I knew that I needed to take vitamin C when I was crossing the Atlantic because I might get scurvy and die and I didn't, you would say that that person was somewhat insane.
Speaker 3:Right, you're crazy yeah.
Speaker 2:Kidding.
Speaker 1:Why does a person keep shooting up with some horrible drug and everything like that when they know it's bad for them? Some insanity.
Speaker 1:Some insanity, some false data there. There's a held down five on that keypad and every time you do that calculation it's screwed up because you've got that held down five key in there. So that's mis-dis-no information that you can't think with because it's barring your ability in order to do that particular thing be do and have that particular thing. That's how foundational it is that false data and misinformation is period. So we've just crossed an hour on this podcast.
Speaker 1:I hope it has been illuminating for our listeners and that they start looking at these areas, because the only thing that's holding them back is false data. That's all there is to it. Find your false data, get it cleared up, and we're here to help you out with that. We're here to point you in the right direction, but it is not our cross to bear. It is not our cross to bear. You have to carry that cross in order to get there. You can't expect somebody to do it for you, and that's where complexity and confronting comes in. If you can't confront what it is, that is so complex, it's over before it ever started, and you have to confront your own false datums. Otherwise, you won't make it to the end line.
Speaker 3:So so. So let me ask you a question before we close out. So what would be the best course of action to take? Course or course of action to take, because you just helped me pinpoint something I was working with as a false datum. What would be a course or course of action to take now, as far as, like I know, there's a course on data evaluators course. Would you recommend something like that, or would you recommend going into some actual life repair, false data stripping, like what do?
Speaker 1:you. Well, I would recommend both, because it's the training side and the processing side at the same time, because the process and that's a great question, and I want to explain this for a minute Processing side is going to allow you to be able to see things for what they truly are. That is, awareness. The scale of awareness goes up the middle of the grade chart as you progress up the bridge and you get to the OT3 band. Right in there it says source. I used to think and I've said this in another podcast, I'm going to say it again it doesn't mean LRH is the source and you're like um, um to LRH. You know on your knees and hands, you know praying to the east, no offense, but what it means is source. You can spot the source of aberration. You can spot the source of emanation of ability and power, because you are no longer overwhelmed by the system that puts you here, the reactive mind and the machine that puts you here. If that was the case already, you wouldn't be here, you wouldn't listen to this podcast. You're listening to this podcast for a reason, one reason alone. You figure out what that reason is. It's the same reason for everybody and I'm not going to say what it is for everybody, and I'm not going to say what it is, but source is it? If you can spot source, okay, now you've gotten your head above the tree line, you're in the Amazon and you've climbed to the top of the tree and now you can see what's around you and now you know where you need to go. The data evaluators course, with that ability of source, of awareness, now gives you the ability to find the areas that have the problems, the outpoints, the areas that are doing okay, and you go. Okay. This is how far we've departed from the ideal scene. And if you can picture the ideal scene and then you see the departures, then you know what you need to get in to get that ideal scene, which is write up a program. He's got a whole policy series on targets and programs so that you can write a program in order to return to the ideal scene. That's what the data series is about. But it has to do with logic and he wrote the data series as a workaround to get people to figure things out who were still aberrated at the time. And it is no coincidence that at the same time he was doing this, he was working on the Ls. He was working on the L's because he could see that the runway takes a while to get somebody up the bridge and you're trying to get people into an organization and put some sanity into an area so that they can get something done and they can get other people up the bridge. Meanwhile, you have these Sea Org members as early as 1971.
Speaker 1:Ray Robles told me this in an interview that I did with him in 2010, and I've mentioned it in another podcast, but it bears mentioning again. He had a Sea Org member tell him. Ray Robles said well, we're getting all of our staff in auditing. And the Sea Org member said wait, wait, wait. What did you just say? I said we're getting all of our staff in auditing. He's like don't do that. Don't do that Because if you enable them, they'll leave the org and go do their own thing. I kid you not. This is the aberration. This is false data. You can't free other people with people who are, they themselves, aberrated. This is what happened to Scientology. This is why the snake ate its own tail.
Speaker 3:Wow. And this is why it's imperative that you know what you're talking about and know what you're looking at as you're evaluating this data, as you're getting to know even yourself, like you've got to know, what you're dealing with here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and, like he says, there's only two ways you can be wrong over or under estimation of effort, over or under estimation of effort. Either one of you either one of those things can slip you up. And so you have to look at this and go okay, I've got false data. Why am I not where I want to be? And that doesn't mean financially, doesn't mean messed universe-wise. Why am I not where? Hang on where I want to be, not be in a physical universe location. Why am I not where I want to be location? Why am I not where I want to be, who I need to be?
Speaker 3:That's what that's about.
Speaker 1:If you're being, the money will follow. If you're being, the doingness will follow. Amen. End of sermon. Hallelujah, hallelujah. And that's all it comes down to.
Speaker 1:Is you got false data, or you could be who it is. You need to be in order to do what you need to do, in order to have what you need to have. This planet has got it turned around. Be, do have is the name of the policy letter. Have, do be.
Speaker 1:I need to have a fat bank account in order to do the things I want to do, in order to be the things I want to be, be the kind of person I want to be. Yeah, that's right, because it all starts with you and you have to look at yourself and you have to do the work. You have to look at yourself. Where am I fucking up? What have I bought into that I keep doing over and over and over and over and over and I still get the same goddamn result. And it isn't the result that I want False data. You're operating off of false data because we have this wealth of information that LRH gave us. It's a treasure trove, exponentially. But the thing is is do you know how hard it is to get me to get somebody to finish a course. Do you know how many people I've actually had since I've had the online course room that actually got trained as auditors?
Speaker 2:None.
Speaker 1:None, none, none, because they can't confront doing the work they want to be done. To give me the auditing, give me the auditing, give me the auditing, do me, do me, do me, do me. Where is that on? Be, do have, do have.
Speaker 3:Oh have.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a half. You have to have auditing, uh-uh, uh-uh. You're only going to be able to pay for the auditing if you're being something in order to pay for the auditing yeah, oh, okay, okay.
Speaker 3:So, so, by, by becoming the person that I need to become, I'll do the work that I need to do to have my whole bridge and have myself fully, fully, me fully, that's right. Fully operating, that's right operating thetan that's.
Speaker 1:That's in the name. It's in the name operating. What is it? What is if you're not doing anything? Are you operating hell, no, hell, no, you're an operating thetan so, oh, so, okay.
Speaker 3:so I you could just, you could just be a thetan, because you're a thetan anyway. You just be the thetan, right.
Speaker 1:It's intrinsic, that's all you can do.
Speaker 3:But Scientology and the bridge helps you be an operating thetan. And why don't? I knew this, so let me be very clear. Anybody listen to this podcast. I knew this, and yet how Jonathan just presented it made sense. Okay, thank you, jonathan.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're welcome Because see what happened there. What we've just done in this podcast is we've handled false data Right, and that is how you have a cognition, that is how you change something. You get the person to inspect the false data, I need to have money in order to go up the bridge. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You've got to be in order to do, in order to have the money in order to pay for the auditing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, which goes back to my point before. It's got to do with the individual, not outside of the individual, that's absolutely right, absolutely right. An artist that has artistic skill can create art out of anything.
Speaker 1:Right, they had to be the artist. They had to be the artist. They either had to have the voice, they either had to have this. And you know, and you look at, well, wait a minute, they had to have this. No, no, no, no, no. They had to be first before they had the voice. That's all there is to it.
Speaker 3:And we're talking about being talented, being creative, being one who can hear and produce melody and produce resonance with your voice. You have to be capable of that. Those are all beingnesses, and then you can do the thing, and then now you have a final like an album or a piece of art or whatever it may be Right.
Speaker 2:Go ahead, arthur, many years ago I was looking at learning how to sing and I'm still not a great singer but I'm happy with where I'm at. And I remember I was watching a lesson and the instructor said he said, you know there's many styles of singing. You know you can do country, you can do rock and roll, you can do metal, opera, like. There's so many variances in using your voice and so many different ways of using your voice. And he said just because you like a certain kind of music, it doesn't mean you'll be able to sing it. And what he said was you have to find your flavor so you sing it. And what he said was you have to find your flavor, so you have to find what you're good at singing like. I love heavy metal, but my voice might be, suited to country and I can't stand country.
Speaker 2:However, it doesn't mean I couldn't be a good country singer, right, you know what I mean. So his point is is finding what you're good at and then excelling that, even if you think you'd be great at something else when you're actually not, then you're always at, and then excelling that even if you think you'd be great at something else when you're actually not, then you're always going to struggle trying to achieve that. Some people might achieve that, but most of us won't achieve it because we're just not naturally in that b state where we can actually be the heavy metal singer, the rock and roll singer. For me, I'm stuck with country, but it doesn't mean I can't be good at it or great at it.
Speaker 1:And maybe that's not what you want to be, and you go, okay, yeah, I don't have the skills to do that, but I do have other skills that I can really excel at in this.
Speaker 2:Maybe singing isn't your thing and you're better at bass or drums or guitar or keyboards, or whatever the funny thing is, most of us will will push towards goals that are so unrealistic for our beings, and we'll we'll end up failing and then live miserably because we failed at something we believed we wanted versus something we were just naturally good at doing.
Speaker 1:Right, that could be carpentry?
Speaker 2:Sure, that could be building letterboxes. You know what I mean. Yeah, it could be the simplest of tasks, but the way we've been, I don't know, hollywoodized into having to be greater than when your greatness greatness is, you know you, whatever your greatness is, exactly whoever you are.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we all, lrh says we all have our own innate abilities that we excel at that others do not. Now, that doesn't mean, out of well, eight billion something people, that there aren't a lot of people that can do the same thing. Well, you know. But it's it's always going to be artistically different than than the next person because they're going to put their own infinite creation.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're going to put their own spin on it, so to speak, and everything. But the thing is is in in order in order to be and I'm sorry and I'm sorry, I'm a drummer. I'm going to use this analogy In order to be Stuart Copeland from the police, who was one of the most identifiable drummers of the last 50 years. Neil went through his phase where he tried to play. He was so influenced by stewart copeland in the 80s the early 80s, it was obvious and they became fast friends and and see, that's the thing.
Speaker 1:But in order to be a Stuart Copeland, in order to be a Phil Collins, in order to be a Buddy Rich, you had to be what first? You had to be you. You had to be a student. A student, that's the only. You have to be a student first and figure out what it is about this thing, how to do it, wear that hat, understand that you need to do certain things in order to study anything. Now, I'm not saying you have to do the student hat. It's a great, freaking course. It's hard, but it's worth it.
Speaker 1:But the thing is is you have to be able to study properly in order to study anything else, and that takes the ability of looking at how to defeat verbal checklist, which I mentioned earlier, which is you have to have the correct materials. You have to have the knowingness that the materials that you have are believable, they are accurate, they come from a source Scientologists. They come from LRH. Does everything LRH say? Is it 100%, completely true? Is it true for you? Have you used it? Have you gone out and tried it and then found by God? He knows what the fuck he's talking about? Most of the time, it's true.
Speaker 1:There's a few things I don't necessarily agree with LRH on, but I get why he said them and I can occupy that viewpoint and go okay, just because this is my opinion. Even though it's my opinion, I can still see the value in that and not discard it. There's very, very, very little there, but I've also seen other things that he didn't have the time to describe or explain for one reason or another, and I think we all have that, and that's why Scientology is this distillation of all these varying, different things from this cloud and all of a sudden, this, this, this, this, this put these together. Okay, let's look at it through the lens of Scientology in action. And then now we've got the subject of Scientology.
Speaker 1:Now you can go out if Scientology doesn't have the answer, you've got the tools to find out what that answer is. But you've got to be a student first and then you have to go out and become an operating thetan recognize source, be theta the solver, not theta the problem, and push through all of this bullshit that we're going through, because the only reason we're going through it is because we agreed to false data period.
Speaker 3:Wow, I want to be an operating thetan, and that's that's why when?
Speaker 1:get through your solo course, for god's sake, please. But there's these beautiful flowers over here, you know of course you're going to have distractions, that this planet is full of distractions for a reason yeah, that's true, talking to you, it's just there's there's all kinds of distractions and you have to focus.
Speaker 1:That comes back to complexity and confronting what's so hard about doing this. What am I not confronting about it? Okay, there you go. Boom, it's right, I don't like doing it because I don't like looking at a screen, reading the book. Okay, fine, but you only have to do it once. Once you've gotten through there and you get to the end and you're an operating Thayton, you don't have to do it nearly as much. Now you have all the tools and you've gotten through all this stuff and things.
Speaker 3:It's like a hot knife through butter, unless you create your own aberrated games, which you can do, which definitely happens. Yeah, that's right. Well, I was saying I want to be an operating thing, like the PBS thing, where the little rainbow comes up and it says pay for my viewers. Like you, I want to be an operating thing and the rainbow shines. Yeah, and that's it.
Speaker 1:And the thing is is that when there are more of us like this, things get a lot easier.
Speaker 1:But we have to do it to where there's enough of us quote unquote in the same room at the same time and we shuffle off our mortal coil and have to end up going to between lives area or some of us don't and then we have to rehabilitate people. Myself I didn't know where the hell I was coming from, or anything like that, until I was like 19. And all of a sudden I got brick wall collapsing. It was like, okay, now I get it. Now I know what I need to do. I know where I was, I know who I was. Okay, you don't want to have to do that.
Speaker 1:If you don't have to Strike while the iron is hot, get through the bridge, get through the non-interference zone from clear to OT3. And then you're going to be able to see things that you didn't even know were there, but were right in front of you the whole time holding you back. It doesn't take long. You can get up the bridge in less than two years. You can get to clear in less than six months. I can make you, I can get you on the OT2. Yes, I can get a person from the bottom of the bridge to OT2 in less than a year if they apply themselves, and I don't mean 10 hours a day, if they just apply themselves for three hours a day, five days a week, I can get you on ot2 in one year or less it's not that long and it's not that expensive and god damn it, I am so tired of being the only one.
Speaker 1:I need ots, shoulder to shoulder, working with lrh, even though he's not necessarily in the physical universe. He's still here, I'm still here, and I need OTs in order to save this planet. I got it. So this will be the end of our podcast for today. If you want more information, go to ao-gporg or thecollegeofindependentscientologycom for more information and get a free session and find out what it's all about for you, namaste, and we love you.
Speaker 2:Peace, bye-bye, thank you, thank you.