Scientology Outside of the Church Podcast
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Scientology Outside of the Church Podcast
SE10EP14 - The Only Thing Stopping You
Discover how aligning your personal and professional life with the principles of Independent Scientology can lead to profound growth and fulfillment. Join us in an enlightening conversation with Quenton Stroud as we explore the essence of ethics, tech, and admin within Independent Scientology. Learn how these elements play a vital role in personal and spiritual advancement, and hear personal stories that draw parallels between these foundational concepts and everyday experiences like fitness routines, emphasizing the importance of honesty and self-accountability.
Ever wondered how you can enhance productivity by embracing the ethical and administrative frameworks of Scientology? Quentin and I share personal anecdotes and insights on how recognizing one's physical and mental state before embarking on a fitness journey or professional endeavor can lead to success. From understanding the role of communication and gradual progression to implementing structured policies for effective client interactions, we highlight the power of these principles in creating a supportive environment for growth.
The journey doesn't end there. We delve into the transformative effects of accountability and mentorship, stressing the importance of having a "twin" or accountability partner in maintaining self-discipline. Through compelling stories of client challenges and triumphs, discover how taking responsibility and applying the admin scale can lead to lasting success. Engage with us as we foster a community dedicated to mutual growth and support, offering insights into expanding personal development and achieving your dreams within the framework of Scientology.
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Hi everyone, welcome to another Scientology Outside of the Church podcast. I'm here with Quentin Stroud. Arthur has the day off, it is Wednesday, january 22nd 2025. And we're going to do a podcast on ethics, tech and admin. You're going to gonna go? Okay, yes, what about that? What is that? Well, to give you a brief overview of ethics, tech and admin as a fundamental pillar as an independent scientologist or a scientologist because I know there are some of you out there listening to this podcast that are still in the church, you sneaky devils. What it is per LRH L Ron Hubbard is if the ethics is in, the tech will go in. You can get gains from the tech. And if you can get gains from the tech and your ethics are in, then you can put the administration technology in as well. But if you can't do one of those, you can't do the rest. And this is super, super key, and I'd also like to take a moment and feel free to jump in any time you want.
Speaker 1:Q. I'd like to take a moment and indicate some bypass charge to people. We've done several podcasts on ethics and we've done lots of podcasts on overts and withholds and motivators the overt motivator sequence and all that stuff, and it is important and it is key. But I would like to indicate to all of our listeners that when you hear the word ethics and the hair on your theta neck stands up on end and you go oh ethics, oh, oh, I don't want to listen to this podcast. Okay, the only reason you feel funky about ethics is because there's some sort of non-indicated bypass charge and, like LRH says in the class eight course, the sum of the case your case, my case, quentin's case the sum of the case is its bypassed charge. It's a charge that's been touched on but not handled and restimulated, and this is a big deal when it comes to ethics, and ethics is key.
Speaker 1:Ethics is a personal thing, as we've mentioned on numerous podcasts, all of our guests and cohorts throughout the podcast series. It is a personal thing, but the thing is is, if you can't be honest with yourself, you're not gonna get anywhere. And you have to be honest with yourself and look at okay, here I am, what's going on and, as we talked about in the last podcast, there's a. Well, I think it was two podcasts ago. Ethics is key.
Speaker 1:You have to be able to handle it and if you've been pushed around by the church or you've been told by somebody else that you're out ethics and it's a wrong indication. Or you did something wrong, or you were in the church and they told you you did this and you did that and you have to do this many sec checks and all these confessionals and dah, dah, dah, dah dah. Then you're getting wrong indications. If it isn't true for you, it isn't true for you. But that doesn't mean that it gives you license to just go off and do anything that you want, because ethics has to be in in order for the tech to go in. And if you haven't progressed and you're not getting up the bridge, then your ethics are out. That's all there is to it.
Speaker 1:It's a personal thing, I mean, I'm sure you have a lot to say on this, Quentin, from that aspect.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, I mean it applies across the board and I know, obviously, coming from a scientological perspective, it sounds almost like it sounds very technical, which it is technical. If a person isn't, or if something isn't operating at its highest or optimum, you're not going to get out the optimum gain, you're not going to get out the optimum result. This is true if you go to the gym. If you go to the gym and this literally happened to me if you go to the gym and you do your workout the wrong way and you lift in but you're not lifting with the right arch in your back or you're doing something, you're not doing it with the right height on your arms, or whatever it gets to be, it feels different and it gets a different result.
Speaker 2:And so I then had a personal trainer, my physical auditor, the person who was helping me through this process, and my personal trainer said no, no, no, okay, arch your back a little bit more when you're on the bench, press, so like the arch of your back is up, higher, and then lift from this level Don't go too far down, don't go too far back. And when he was walking me through it, and when he did it the right way. When I did it right, I could feel it differently and I got better results. So this is not woo-woo Scientology, speak blah, blah, blah. This is life when your ethics are in, when you're doing the greatest good across the greatest number of your dynamics for the greatest period of time, when you're doing the greatest good across your dynamics and you start to put this tech in in order to get better results, the, the tech works right and you get better gains.
Speaker 1:And then you look swole right, right, well, and and and. Just as a discussion for our listeners, between you and I, because we're we're the the sounding board on this, let's ask, ask the question where is the ethics in going to the gym? Using that as an analog to this, where does ethics come in in going to the gym?
Speaker 2:Jeez Louise.
Speaker 1:Well, definitely along the first dynamic, probably even the second dynamic probably even the second dynamic Going to the gym definitely increases a thetan and you are controlling a body. Let's say that is akin to, because all you do in the physical universe and we mentioned this the other day all you do in the physical universe is you're moving mest and realigning it, repurposing it, reattaching things to others. If you're a chemist, you're adding one part of the physical universe to another part of the physical universe in a certain way, and you have a recipe to do this, whatever. But that's what you're doing with the body is you're moving, messed around, and it is the puppet that you use to work in the physical universe. Now, if your puppet is in shitty shape, universe.
Speaker 1:Now if your puppet is in shitty shape? You get my point. If your puppet is in shitty shape, how can you get anything done? If you're walking up the steps, your puppet isn't in very good shape. Now if you look at that over decades and you get arterial sclerosis, your puppet isn't going to be around as long as it could be and you're not going to be able to one, get up the bridge. Two, get the things done that you need to get done. You're going to be tired and this is really important.
Speaker 1:In this sense, the body weighs you down tremendously. The body is a sliver in the Thetan. It isn't a Thetan, is a sliver in the body, okay, but it is a tremendous, tremendous dragger downer for the Thetan and and that is what reduces your tone level as a composite being. So when you go to the gym and you get your endorphins going and all that stuff, and you walk out of the gym and you know you've given your best, which is part of ethics and the tech and the administration of those activities that you're doing whether you're doing presses or curls, you're doing pulls or you're doing pushes of some sort with your muscles you're keying the body out, you're keying yourself out Now, the body is far less of a distraction. So that is a prime example of ethics, tech and admin.
Speaker 1:So that brings us to conditions. Mm-hmm. So that brings us to conditions. The ethics conditions, whether you're aware of them or not, are manifest If you don't apply them, and we've done several podcasts on this as far as the condition you fail to assign is the condition you take on, or if you apply a wrong condition, you're going to be two conditions lower. So you have to, you have to put your ethics in and the tech in. Even though it's a policy and it is part of administration, you have to put your own ethics in. What condition am I in physically before you start going to the gym? And I'm not talking condition of the body before you start going to the gym, and I'm not talking condition of the body. What condition am I subject to going to the gym? When was the last time?
Speaker 2:When's the last time you went to the gym, Quinn?
Speaker 1:Like walked inside a gym or walked past it and there is my point.
Speaker 2:When is the last time you went to the gym?
Speaker 1:yeah, when's the last time you went to the gym three or more times a week and you, you were on a program and you were able to stick with it and you were seeing results. You felt great. Your weight okay, was that? You see what I'm saying? So what is your condition?
Speaker 2:that?
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was last year last summer that was last summer I had a trainer yeah. Right. So what condition? What condition of the ethics conditions in independent Scientology, would you say? You're in on going to the gym, just take a guess.
Speaker 2:Now it's probably either non-E or danger.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I would say. I mean not that I'm trying to evaluate for you, but ethics is a personal thing. But it would appear that you're in non-existence.
Speaker 2:Well, I know it exists.
Speaker 1:I mean, gyms happen, right. But if we were to say number of days gone to the gym on your statistic chart?
Speaker 2:Oh, it'd be zero. It would be zero, zero, zero zero, zero, zero, zero, zero.
Speaker 1:But you have gone to the gym before Now. Where does non-existence? Where does non-existence do you know and this is part of what we're talking about about? Do you know, at this very moment, without looking at finn on the college or on the aogp website? Where does non-existence fall in the conditions of exist, of, of, of ethics, where is it in that scale? What's what's above?
Speaker 2:where does not exist in the condition oh, above non-e is danger, below it is failure right right, no liability.
Speaker 1:Excuse me. Yeah, liability Sorry sorry, Liability, yeah, liability. So liability non-E danger, emergency, normal affluence, Mm-hmm Power, Power, power change Right. So since you've gone to the gym, where do you think you are? Non-existence or danger?
Speaker 2:Oh, I'll be a non-existence. Yeah, because it's been a year. Yeah, it's been, yeah, many, many months.
Speaker 1:So ethics, tech and admin what should you do in this situation? I went to the gym four times last week. I'm shooting for five. That's amazing. Wow, I'm going this morning after the podcast. Yes, not that I'm you know, not that I'm all you know. All that I'm just saying I had to do this very same thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I get it. I would say, definitely getting a communication with that. Yes, so opening that comm line discovering what's needed and wanted, yeah, just going through the non-E on the gym, I never thought about that.
Speaker 1:Right, right you. What are you doing non-e with? With the gym. Okay, take a look at it again. I'm. What are you doing?
Speaker 2:I'm using my body right, right.
Speaker 1:So you're applying non-existence because you can't go to the gym and just go right back to the weight levels that that you were at, because the best muscles of atrophy and you're going to either pull something or you're going to feel terrible, or you're going to go in and get a failed purpose. All that because it takes that's what happens.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what happens in the gym for me. Like, oh, wow, it's so interesting. You just said that. Uh, that's what happens in the gym for me. I go in and it's short of having a trainer that kind of takes me at a gradient, or whatever. I it's short of having a trainer that kind of takes me at a gradient, or whatever. I go in, I'm like, okay, I can do my thing. I'm, you know, I'm pretty able-bodied, you know, and I'll go in. And then it's like crap, I'm like in pain, I'm sore and I'm pulling something, whatever, whatever. And it's like I'm not going back to the gym right.
Speaker 1:So again, ethics, tech and admin. So that's the tech part. You got to the gym, you put your ethics in, you told the body okay, we're going to do this, buddy. You get to the gym and then the tech is out because you're skipping a gradient in giving yourself a lose. So you can't keep the admin in of going every other day or every day eventually, or whatever. And so that's how ethics, tech and admin works. You have to know the tech of something gradients.
Speaker 1:The body isn't going to be able to do whatever weight levels you were at or anything like that. You have to. You have to coddle it a little while and start putting a create on it. But when you put a create on the body, it starts building that muscle. I mean, that's the whole idea behind it. Your heart is a muscle. Getting some cardio and going for a walk, riding a bike, getting on a treadmill, stair stepper machine, whatever. So you have to do that at a gradient.
Speaker 1:And then you can put the admin in of I'm going to go Monday, wednesday, friday, or I'm going to go Tuesday, thursday, saturday and Sunday, but you still have to keep your ethics in with yourself on not getting reasonable and dropping these things out. And then, once you do that for a couple of weeks, you start seeing and feeling better, to a point to where you know it's. They say three weeks is a is a habit. You get into a habit. Now, what happens after that? If you miss a day, how do you feel? How do you feel after you've gone and done something? You've gotten something in, whether it's the gym, or you've gotten yourself in a habit of doing however many sessions a day with clients and you miss, I was gonna say it works better for me working with clients.
Speaker 2:Uh, if, if I, if I'm, if I'm in a a pattern of hitting a certain number on my stats when it comes to clients and I miss a day or a day that the stats go down, I do, yeah, I feel I feel like crap, like today wasn't a productive day, yeah, Right, so that ends up being in the admin department of ethics, tech and admin.
Speaker 1:That production per LRH and it's true is the basis of morale. That's admin. That's the admin end of it. You've gotten to a point to where you feel like you're doing what you need to be doing and your stats are up. If you miss a day or you drop a little bit, you feel a little deflated because you haven't produced this much and LRA says if a stat isn't going up, it's going down. Right, so that's admin.
Speaker 1:Now, if you want to move forward on this and we look at auditing, training, your core Scientology technologies, okay, and what the importance of standard tech is, whether you're going to the gym or you're working with clients, you're going in session as an auditor, that type of a thing you have to do it standardly. You know how to do what it is you do. Can you give us an example? Like you said, you went on from what six to one. You said, yes, okay, how do you do what you do? What is it that you know? There's a set routine and I'll do mine after you do what you do. What is it? What is it to you that you know?
Speaker 2:there's a set routine and I'll do mine after you do yours okay, how do I do what I do as far as my working with clients, or how do I do I do as far as my day?
Speaker 1:well, I mean, how do you, how do you do both of those? What's the standard tech that you do that allows you to make a living, put food on the table, money in the bank, save money, take trips do all these things you do. What's the thing you're going to be doing in a couple of weeks in Thailand?
Speaker 2:Retreat, the retreat, yeah, doing a retreat and everything like that.
Speaker 1:That is a promotional action, but how do you? What is it that you do? Okay, this is a successful action. This is what I need to keep in. What's your train of thought on that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I would say my standard tech for that would be keeping communication lines open. Um, it would be making sure that, uh, I have enough juice in the tank as far as uh sleep, and food and you know that kind of stuff so that I can be available to to clients. Um, I would make sure that, um, all of my materials and stuff that I use is available and in good repair and neatly, you know, positioned, because it's like all over here in my space, yeah, like stuff like that.
Speaker 1:What about scheduling?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, and scheduling, yeah, and I think about that one. Yeah, but scheduling as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so the communication has to be in. You got this person at this time, this person at this time. You've communicated with them, and the time that you do it is because most of your clients are on the US side, right Right In California or the West Coast, right Right. So you have to do it at a certain time and everything, but you have the admin in time and everything, but you have the admin in. So tell me, what ethics and what tech did you have to get in and keep in in order to get your admin in and be successful with what it is that you do? What are some of those components?
Speaker 2:briefly, I would definitely say having certain policies for myself, for my schedule, for my life, having certain things in place that. Are we talking about? Going down the admin scale? Well, or using the admin scale? Excuse me, Admin.
Speaker 1:scale is part of the admin, but as far as ethics and tech, you're telling me you've got policies in. So policies is admin, but what?
Speaker 2:ethics. Did you have to apply?
Speaker 1:Right. What did you have to apply? Ethically and then technically, in order to get these policies to be applied.
Speaker 2:Right. So on the ethics side, I would have to make sure that I stiffened discipline. I would have to make sure that, let's see, I had some firm policies in place. So I would say, working probably normal and going up into affluence.
Speaker 1:Okay, so you had to apply condition to what it is that you do as far as delivering services. So that was ethics. Now, what tech are you getting in to do what you do? Okay, what have you found? What are the successful technical standard tech things that you do in your sessions with people as the Oracle?
Speaker 2:Maybe it's the way it's being asked, that I'm trying to connect it with what I do, because I kind of just do what I do.
Speaker 1:Okay, give me an example. You have a client. Okay, let me give you an example, you have a client.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, help me out.
Speaker 1:I think my baby daddy is cheating. What do you do?
Speaker 2:I would use two-way communication. I would do some investigations, some of those lies, asking some key questions. I would get some, just get those comm lines open and then provide, using Theta Perceptix, some awareness about what's going on. Also, okay, this is good. Also, using the chart of human evaluation that tech is really really valuable. Chart of human evaluation, where you know, where you can see how a person will most likely respond on certain things based on where they are on the tone scale, and so, yeah, using those things like that, the know-how of things like that, really really helps me serve my clients well.
Speaker 1:And you're, you're, you're one of the best people I know. I mean, you know that. I know that isn't me, because I've gone over the axioms so many times with so many PCs. You're shooting out axioms right and left, so you're obviously you have a conceptual understanding of those particular aspects and you can look at the situation and present that to your client. Now let's take it a little bit further. What about the readings and stuff like that? What technical things do you put in that wise? What other tech are you putting in beyond the Scientology stuff that you do?
Speaker 2:Oh, I see what you're saying. So I work with astrology, I work with numerology, I work with different things that help me understand in general. Again, this is all just to come off the Scientology side for a second, but in general it helps you understand where a person lies in their whole spiritual scope and then bring that back home to where we are. And then bring that back home to where we are, and so, if it is through all the stuff I mentioned earlier, if it's determined that, yeah, there might be something going on with baby daddy, then we'll two-way calm about what some solutions are, what some ways of handling this are. We'll two-way calm about that. And so, yeah, I would say using other quote-unquote standard tech, if you will, other technologies that allow me to help clients in that way too, yeah, but again, and what you said earlier, is that by having ethics in for myself, having ethics in for my client, like by us having that in, we can use the tech and then it makes sense. There has been times where the client's ethics were out.
Speaker 1:Give us a couple of stories on that with clients, because you've told me some hella stories that I'm like what, what?
Speaker 2:Right, there's stories with the, with the client's ethics were out, and when your ethics are out, you can't. Then you don't come back and be like, well, this stuff ain't working or this stuff don't, you know, ain't helping me, or I I need to. You know whatever. It's like no, if, if. If we're going down a standard tech, you know uh, uh check sheet, as, as it were, I'm using you know references. But if we're going down a standard tech check sheet and I'm saying, okay, you did this right, you did this right, this is what you said. Right, this is how you spoke to him. Right, this is how you guys engage each other, right, da-da-da-da.
Speaker 2:If we're doing these things and then they be like like, oh no, I'm not doing it, oh no, I'm not, I'm not going to such as that. I'm not going to. I'm talking to him like that, I'm not going to say those kind words. You know, whatever, if, if, if you don't do the things as standard here, you can't, you can't expect the result right, you can't get the gains, you can't get the happily ever after if you don't, if you didn't do what you needed to do right you know what?
Speaker 2:what about?
Speaker 1:that story that you told me about the lady where you told her how it was from an ethics officer standpoint and she was like I'm done and you're like okay what happened?
Speaker 2:Yes, right, so. So it was a class I'm thinking about the same one, because I have a lot of these, I know you do but it was a client who she, we were trying to solve or figure out what was going on in her relationship, and every single time we would quote, unquote fix something, something else would come back up, something else would come back up, and I had to, and I was like well, either A, this is just not a good fit for you, which I don't think. Anything is just anything. I think everything takes work. I think everything is a process. Either A is that or something else isn't right here.
Speaker 2:So I would then ask her well, why don't you, why don't you try this? Why don't you have you considered, you know, doing things to get your body in shape? Have you considered doing things to get your life together? Have you considered doing things to get your finance together? And so, when we would go down to things for her, there was no accountability, no responsibility on what she needed to accomplish for her. It was always what he needs to do to better the relationship.
Speaker 2:And so I was like but no, it's a two-way street here. There's a betterment that has to happen on both sides. So since I have you on the phone, let's deal with you first. And she was like I'm not listen, that's not why, that's not what I'm here for. And I've literally had people check out. They literally would zone out and check okay, oh, yeah, wow, you really just zone out because it brought it back to your own getting your ethics in. In order to get a good, workable, in this case, relationship, it could be anything but getting a good, workable thing. You've got to have your ethics in right.
Speaker 1:So what? What happened between that and and? And you told her this and she said no, I'm not down with this, I can't do this. So she stopped working with you for a period of time, right?
Speaker 2:oh yeah, and curse me out, right.
Speaker 1:OK, and then, and then, and then what happened from. There.
Speaker 2:Oh, and then, after everything crumbled and fell apart, which we we knew it would happen Some time later she came back, she apologized. She do exactly what she need to get. Right Now she's actually doing extremely well, not in a 2D situation, just in her own, uh, in her own life but she's doing extremely well because she decided, like I really need to get my shit together, like I need to keep our life together, and that was a part of it. So, uh, yeah. So she had to come back full circle and really realize that it really was me not having the things that I needed to have in to make it go right.
Speaker 1:So there was truth in what you were telling her. She didn't want to confront it. She decided that she would just go off on her own. Things went to hell in a handbasket. She realized what you were saying was the soothed and then came back to you, apologized, got her ethics in, got her tech in with you and flourished and prospered and was able to develop.
Speaker 2:And I'll take it off, yeah.
Speaker 1:Admin. Now, let's touch on this for a minute. As far as this admin aspect, we've had several conversations where you got to get the admin in and I'm trying to remember how it was that we were talking about it. Let me think here and and and and how to put it to our listeners where, okay, you have this client that we've talked about before that you're trying harder for their business than they are. Let's talk about that for a minute. Boy, oh boy, oh boy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, boy, oh boy, oh boy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a thing where I think that there are those that want success and want things to kind of happen in a certain way. But I said to my client I said, listen, I can't want more for you and your business than you want for yourself. I can't. I can't hold the vision for you, the valuable final product and the ideal scene. I can't hold that for yourself if you won't keep all these other things in. So, from an admin perspective, when you're working with a consultant like myself and we're working on developing your business, we're working these things to get you to us, to an ideal scene that you have stated and agreed and want for your business, hitting targets. If you're not, you know whatever, whatever. If you're not doing the things that an admin scale requires or stipulates that you do in order to get to that you know that ideal scene, if you're not doing those things, then you're not going to achieve the ideal scene. It's just not going to happen, right. And so, yeah, it's extremely important that that that follow the process.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you, you, you. You know I do business consulting and that's how we got onto the subject in the first place was you can only help those who want to help themselves. Lrh says and that's with an admin scale, getting an admin scale. Well, I got all these things I got to do. I got to handle this, got to handle that, I got to handle this, and I got too many things to do. I can't sit down and do an admin. Well, I got all these things I got to do. I got to handle this, got to handle that, I got to handle this. I got too many things to do. I can't sit down and do an admin scale. What are you running into there?
Speaker 2:Lack of confront.
Speaker 1:Yeah, lack of confront and you can't constantly cope. You have to organize. It's called cope and organize is the policy letter. You've got to stop coping and you have to get some sort of admin in by getting hatted, which is part of an admin scale. Right, that's part of getting admin in.
Speaker 1:So you have to get your ethics in and go all right, I'm going to have to set aside these things. I know they're all important, but the thing is is if you're constantly coping, how do you get things to be better, whether it's in a business or whether it's personally? You have to take time to do that. So that's a tiny little start, change, stop of ethics as far as the admin side goes. So when you're getting into the organizational structure of your personal life the first dynamic, the second dynamic, the third dynamic, that type of thing you've got to get some structure in, otherwise your ethics won't stay in for very long, because you're going to throw the baby out with the bathwater if you don't have set goals, policies, purposes, plans, programs, valuable final products, all of this stuff.
Speaker 1:So that's the role that admin plays in creating a functional eight dynamics or a functional business and a functional society. But you got to get ethics in to get there, otherwise you won't get there. You've got to balance these things out. So you have to take the time to do it. And if you don't know LRH's policies on this, I mean, this stuff is gold written on a paper or in a PDF, and if you haven't looked at it and it comes down to what he says, you can't be the adverse effect of something you understand. Okay, so in that example, you're going to be the adverse effect of something you don't even know. You don't know why are you listening to this podcast? Podcast, you want to learn something, or you want to hear us talk about this, and it ignite or spark you, spur you on to implement this stuff in your life. But does it go any further than that? That's that I'm going to go to the gym tomorrow. Oh, this comes up. I'll go to the gym tomorrow. Oh, this comes up. I'm tired, go ahead.
Speaker 2:I never considered doing an admin scale for my workout. I guess we do it when you have a like okay, today is leg day, today is back day or whatever. I guess you're kind of doing it in your head, but I never considered that being an admin scale. That's really interesting that you you kind of brought like I guess you can apply admin scale to anything anything, anything that you got to get done.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, your first dynamic, your second dynamic, your third dynamic as a, as a, as a, a group member or a business type of a thing, because the thing is and we've said this in other podcasts and it is so true you have to get it out of your head, quote unquote, out of the theta universe and put it into the physical universe. To be able to quote, unquote and I hate to use this word, but I'm gonna use it manifest, because you have to, as is it. That's how, when you write up overts and withholds or you go in session with an auditor and you handle whatever it is, you need to handle, whether it's overts and withholds or whatever you're getting as-is-ness, because it's a two-terminal universe. In this case, it's you and you're getting it out of the physical universe, you're putting it on paper and an admin scale gets all these points in agreement so that you can move forward.
Speaker 1:If you're not moving forward, you have points on this admin scale, whether you've written it down or not, that are in disagreement. That's why you don't move forward. It's that simple. There's some sort of a disagreement there. Disagreements are what reads are on the e-meter, so there's something there that isn't being looked at and you can suss this out really simply by just doing an admin scale. And then you look at it the next Monday and you go okay, I've done this, then this, okay, now we can improve upon this. And that brings your statistics up, because statistics are part of the admin scale. What are my statistics for going to the gym? How many sets did I do on this machine? How many sets did I do on this machine? So on and so forth.
Speaker 1:It's so funny, go ahead sorry, how much time did I spend at the gym? I went from half an hour to an hour and a half because I'd plateau.
Speaker 1:I wasn't getting anywhere with half an hour. So I was like, okay, I, I complexity and confronting again, I had to look at what was what was so complex working out, doing, doing more than half an hour. But when I, when I got to a point of an hour and a half it and it was the best workout I'd ever done in my entire life I went, yeah, yeah, I can do this. And I came home and I looked in the mirror, you know, at the end of that week, and I was like, hmm, Do you like what you see?
Speaker 1:That's a drastic improvement. I'm looking pretty good Okay so.
Speaker 1:I've got a statistic. So you know, I mean obviously you, the funny thing about statistics is and this is something I I saw when I was on staff is let's, or even when I was on on course at flag you get to a point to where your, your statistic goes up into affluence and you get into power and you're in a new range, right. So you've got sort of an S shape that goes and then up, and now you're in this new level and then the daunting reality is at the end of the week when you look at your statistics, you're like, okay, now what am I going to do? How do I get this statistic up more? Well, that's when you have to look at your admin scale in a new unit of time and go, okay, how does this feed into other things? Because I mean, if, if there's, how, however many hours, what's 24 times seven in a week? Okay, you got 24 hours times seven. You've only got so many hours in a week that you can do something. But the thing is this segues into if you're feeling that much better, going to the gym all the time and you're keyed out and you're happy with yourself, that goes over into your second dynamic and that goes into your third dynamic. And now your viewpoint changes on the things that you can do in your business, because you're so keyed out that you're like, that's nothing and I can do this, whereas a couple of weeks ago, before you went to the gym, you were like how am I going to be a millionaire? That's how this works, wow. And it's the same thing for auditing where you're at now as opposed to where you're going to be. But you have to get up into power on something that keys you out and makes you feel that you've gotten work done, which is is your morale, and you raise your morale and it's like a series of steps in in one admin scale to the next. So if your first dynamic admin scale is in, you're going to the gym, you're eating right, you're getting enough sleep and you're in power. Okay, now you need to start looking at the second dynamic and that admin scale and the third dynamic and you get in there. And that's how you get in power statistically across your own personal set of statistics, both first dynamically, second dynamically, third dynamically, ethics, tech, admin. So where do you go? After you get your admin in? You go into power.
Speaker 1:This is what LRH did. He wrote everything down as he researched it and said, okay, this is what we got. Right now, this works. Okay, that's a dead end. Now let's go this way, let's go that way. Okay, that's a dead end. Now let's go this way, let's go that way. Okay, now that's a dead end.
Speaker 1:And so he led into this and he wrote it and he got it out of his head, put it in writing and he was applying power. Because what do you do when you apply power change? You're writing it up and getting it into the hands of the guy that's going to be taking over that post. That's going to be taking over that post. That's what all these policy volumes, all these technical volumes, all that 4,600 and something lectures. That's what he did. And he got into power and he created a modern quote, unquote religious philosophy, one step at a time, by moving up these dynamics and these admin skills. Had his ethics in, figured out the tech, reworked it, had discoveries, went into blind alleys and said, okay, it's not that way, it's this way. Then got the admin in the late 60s where he started writing all of the green on white policy letters and everything. That's how these things work Ethics, tech and admin.
Speaker 2:So there you have it. Yeah, this is. This is really like hanging me out, because it's, um, I I never thought about it in in these con, in this context or the context of things that you're mentioning, because I, whenever I hear admin and whenever, whenever I hear ethics, I hear thou shalt not right, that's why I mentioned thou shalt not right.
Speaker 1:See, the thing is is most people don't get any further than thou shalt not, and then they run into this bypass charge of what mommy and daddy, brother and sister, aunt and uncle. Like we said in the other podcast, you got all these considerations on the line, all these wrong indications, and you're like fuck them all. I don't want to be told what to do. I don't want to be controlled.
Speaker 2:Blah blah, blah blah blah, that's what it is.
Speaker 1:And they never, ever get past ethics in order to get the tech in. And that's why so many people have left the church is because they were told to do something that was an incorrect indication. Same thing happens to yourself. Is that you have to front up and go. Okay, be honest with yourself. What condition am I in on the first dynamic, have I been getting in session? Have I been getting any audit? Well, it's been 20 years, okay, why has it been 20 years been getting any audit? Well, it's been 20 years. Okay, why has it been 20 years? You're gonna have to look at that and get your own ethics in and go. Well, you know it's bad auditing and there was this and there was that and everything, but you're still interested in scientology.
Speaker 1:You wouldn't be listening to this podcast yeah, yeah, you know what you know the tech works right, you know the tech works, but you've got to get past ethics to get the tech back in, to get the admin in, yes, and that's all there is to it. But it's a con and I don't want to say this to give anybody a justification. It's a constant thing that you have to keep looking at and keep looking at. But I promise you, I promise you, it gets easier and easier and easier.
Speaker 1:Because, as you get, auditing, as you get training. It's like going to the gym and you go in and you feel bad because you didn't go into the gym, or maybe you didn't spend as much time, or something like that. Okay, you've moved up the scale on ethics, you're using the tech, you got the admin in and now you just need to modify that, make sure you get in that, that extra time or whatever. But then you find other flows, start opening phone starts ringing.
Speaker 1:You got more business, you got more money. Now you can get up the bridge. And now, and you? And so you just cycle through that ethics, tech and admin admin scale ethics, tech and admin admin scale. And that's that tech and admin admin scale. And that's all there is to it. It's that simple, it's not complex. You can use this podcast as an inspiration to do this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I feel inspired, yeah, and that's all there is to it is if you do these things, you will win in the physical universe. You are a thetan, you are not part of this physical universe, but these are the laws of as-is-ness, alter-is-ness, not-is-ness. You got to get this stuff in and get it out of your head. Get it on paper, write it down, get your ethics in, get that tech in by writing it down, get your admin in and it's so simple to do. It really is.
Speaker 2:And so okay, so this is okay. This, that what you just said sounds wonderful, right, and, and I agree, and that I feel inspired just in this moment to do these things, particularly in some things that I'm working on, and a part of that is going to the gym. But when you start connecting the, the significance of, or the importance of, going to the gym and how that opens up other flows because it expands you and it increases your first dynamic and all that and it just goes out from there. When you connected those dots, for me it now makes more sense on why I see so many successful people, you know, running and jogging and doing it like I like, I'm like, why you want to go outside and run in the sun.
Speaker 1:It's hot, you know well, yeah, but when's the last time you saw an unhappy?
Speaker 2:jogger. Well, that's true, yeah, yeah, that that the endorphins and everything kicking in. But so so now that I'm I'm seeing this, the other thing comes up, and I don't know if this is a part of admin and ethics and stuff like that. But why do we then need? I call it accountability partner. I think in Scientology we call it twins. Tell me what, how do we incorporate that into this? Because I think that, for me, having an auditor, having a twin, having an accountability partner whatever word you want to put on it but having that person there to kind of bounce that two terminal universe kind of thing, doesn't that, is that a good thing, like? Doesn't that help?
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, I mean, you know it. It it is a two terminal universe for you. You're clear, right, Okay, but that that doesn't absolve you from you. You have to start somewhere and you have to have somebody that helps you get to a point to where, okay, have you been on course, have you gone to the gym? Have you done? Have you done this type of a thing and not resent them for it?
Speaker 1:And we, we did a podcast on on self-discipline, which which is one of our lowest listened to podcasts ever, ever, because nobody wants to confront self-discipline. And I'm going to say this right here now. Yeah, it sounds like a dirty word, but it is a dirty word because you don't want to confront the fact that all self-discipline is, all it is, is what LRH defines as what the purpose of ethics is. Ethics is there to knock off other fish to fry. That means counterintention, counter survival, things that you're doing that are preventing you from getting the tech in, from getting the admin in.
Speaker 1:You have to have, in the beginning, most people have to have a terminal that says, okay, what did you get reasonable on today? What did you not do? You know this is. This is why you have you have people who have secretaries in Marge. I need you to tell me to make sure I get this done that LRH had tons of communicators because there was so much traffic on his lines to handle and there are lots of cycles of action. But as you put this order in and you start to go up into power, now you don't need to have somebody that is an accountability partner, because you've gotten into the habit of doing this and you feel so successful that now your personal ethics are your own. Who did? Who did lrh? Who did lrh have as his buddy in the beginning?
Speaker 1:he had mary, sue and things happened and all this stuff and he had to continue on and he had his communicators and everything and and that's that's a whole other podcast and and I wish, I wish I had been, I had been around to be able to say, uh, ron, check this shit out. You know there's there's some things here that need need to be handled. But you know you can get myopic and you can get into this altitude-itis where you have these class 12 auditors. These class eight auditors are like I don't need anybody to see as my case, I know what I'm doing, and a lot of these guys in the independent field that took that angle and I'm sorry I don't mean to take a dark turn here, they're dead. We've lost eight high class class 12, class eight auditors in the last couple of years Because at some point you still have to have that accountability partner, your auditor, your case supervisor, who says, okay, what's going on here?
Speaker 1:And if you don't have that, you're in trouble. Because you have to have somebody that has an exterior viewpoint. Because you get myopic. It's like a horse with blinders on. You can only see so much. You've got to have somebody on the outside looking in who has an exterior viewpoint that can help you. So I'm not saying that you should at some point give up and just do everything yourself. That's not how this universe works. Auditing works to a point where you think you're part of the physical universe until you go clear and then you can solo audit. But you don't see us your own case as a solo auditor. There's a reason for that, and the same rules apply to you and your business, you and your first dynamic, which is what we're talking about. Because if you let that fall and you get all squirrely on tech and you start CSing your own case and all this stuff, you're going to end up dead. You've got to have somebody out there. Now. This circles back into the third dynamic, circles back into the third dynamic.
Speaker 1:What's a guy like me going to do without having some other terminal that can say, okay, you know, here's an area where you're having trouble and everything, and CS says, okay, here's your program, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah. Well, what have you got to do? You've got to create other auditors and you've got to train them as good or better than you and demand standards and make sure that they don't get reasonable. I've got two auditors here in training right now as we speak, while I do this podcast Every morning, they get up at 8.15, nine o'clock they go in session and they do a book. One session, an hour and a half each, before they go on course. Then they're on course from 12 to eight. Okay, that's what I have to do in order to ensure that there is a.
Speaker 1:There is a going to be a bridge, there's going to be case supervisors out there. You have, you got to have chicken or the egg. Same goes for your business and everything. So you've got to put that third dynamic out there so that you have somebody to work with. You're the chicken. You created some more eggs. Okay, now you got to raise them, make them healthy, get them trained, get their, they got their ethics in. They're getting up, they're getting in session, they're learning how to audit, they're learning how to well, they're learning how to audit by auditing, and then they're getting training, and then it starts all over. And then, a year later, okay, now you've got two class fours and you train them as case supervisors and now they're case supervising each other and you keep doing that until the point that they're class eights. Now you've got class eights, so on and so forth. But if you don't put that out there, you've got a dead end for yourself and for everybody else.
Speaker 1:And this was what LRH was trying to do is he said the work is free, keep it so, but you've got to make auditors to help you and others get out. So you can see. That's how you go. First, dynamic admin scale. Second, dynamic admin scale. Third, dynamic admin scale. Fourth, dynamic admin scale. And to the degree that you put all of this order in is to the degree that it expands exponentially and there'll be more order in when you have more auditors trained, when you have more case supervisors trained. The flows, the things in the universe we're all in the same room. We're not one in the same. We're not one entity. People know and they're going to start coming in. That's what's so important is that they know this. They read the website and they go wow, these guys, look at this, look at all this stuff. The online course room. Oh my God, they got AI. Oh my God, they got a Dianetics app.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's auditing and AI. Oh my God, this and oh my God, you know, and it's like, okay, we wouldn't have been able to do that. I wouldn't have been able to do this if it weren't for you Arthur, lisa gosh who else was there? A bunch of other people we've done podcasts with and stuff like that Mark Schreffler, all of this stuff. We're all on the same page, but the thing is is I couldn't have done that if I didn't have my ethics in. I didn't have the tech in to get the admin in, to work it out, to get everybody to do podcasts, work it out, to do an online course room.
Speaker 1:You know what you're doing. You're doing these retreats and stuff like that doing. You're doing these retreats and stuff like that. This stuff doesn't happen by accident, right, and that's the end result of ethics, tech and admin. But you got to put a future out there. That's the second dynamic in the form of a third dynamic and a fourth dynamic, and we wouldn't be there. You know what I mean. Who was your mentor? What was their purpose in mentoring you? You've mentioned that you've had mentors in the past.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, I mean, my mentor is definitely and you wouldn't know them but Israel and Carlton Pearson and Michael Beckwith like people who I really, really admired and looked up to and had actually worked with me, helped me, trained me, spoke to me.
Speaker 2:So these are, and I think the reason why I even brought up the whole idea of twinning and the two terminal universes like that was to let people know that there is resources available to them, like we're a resource and I want, like we're a resource and I want to be used as a resource, like I want to be used as somebody who says, hey, listen, I really want to get this stuff in, I really want to understand this, I really want to make it work for my life, and yet sometimes I get in my head, sometimes I get in my own way, sometimes I do this whole self-sabotage thing, whatever. Whatever. Let's twin up, let's link up so that we can get through this shit of life, so that you don't have to keep getting bogged down and go up the bridge and get free. That's really what this is all about, 100%.
Speaker 1:Right, and that's why people listen to this podcast. This podcast is a terminal.
Speaker 2:Of course, but if they stop there, but if they stop there, right.
Speaker 1:But I mean you know it's, it's the first start, change, stop in a cycle of you know. I mean you know we have people all the time.
Speaker 1:So yeah really made me think. And and you know, know, this is a invaluable resource and all this stuff and and and I've had I don't know who it was I talked to the other day it might have been you you know that that what we're doing in the eyes of the church is blasphemy. Blasphemy because, yeah, it's verbal tech. What, what are you? Are you kidding me? You're not supposed to talk about this technology. You're just supposed to pay us for it and then keep it to yourself. How does that work? I mean, you know we talk about references and everything. This is the stuff that you need to do. You have to do this. You have to inspire.
Speaker 1:What was LRH doing? He was inspiring. How did he get this data? He looked at all these references, distilled it down, codified it and said, okay, all of these good bits, okay, we're putting them in a proper sequence, we're putting them in a scale. This is how you do things and that's how that works. Lrh is a terminal for us, we're a terminal for LRH, and so on. That's how that works, and part of our admin scale is to educate and make aware. Exactly, absolutely. You have to have other terminals, you have to have twins and stuff like that. But we're a terminal on a third dynamic. We're a terminal on a first dynamic, after they contact us and say I've been listening to your podcast and I need to keep getting up the bridge.
Speaker 2:How do people get a hold of you if they want to use your services? The best way is to contact on Instagram, like on Instagram or Facebook with Quinton Strout, with the O, quinton Strout, and they can contact me on Instagram or Facebook and I even say even per this podcast, contact me on the college. I have many people that I talk to on the college, many people who have asked me advice, asked me about my experience after going clear, things of that nature. These are things that I enjoy talking about and I enjoy helping out with. So, yeah, once they initiate that communication, if something in this conversation is indicating and you want to reach out, you want to talk to somebody, feel free, feel free to reach out on the college. If you're not on the college, feel free to reach out on social media and get the conversation started and from there, if it's something that indicates to you and you want to be better, do better, have more, so on, let's go ahead and start that process. I'm willing to be a connector for you in that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 100%. And that is a mentor, a terminal, that type of a thing, somebody that's going to help you make, make you be responsible, get you to be responsible. That is your, your accountability partner on this, because we all need it at some point in time, but you, you don't. You don't have to rely on it so much. Once you find out what the successful actions are, you're applying statistics, you got your ethics in, you're using the tech of it, you're learning the tech of it and you get your admin in, you're like, okay, I'm getting up the bridge. We've got more people on course, more people reporting their student points, more people on Solo One, more on the OT levels than we've ever had before because of these podcasts. So that's, that's what has to happen is create a group, get that support that you need, get hooked up on it and get that third dynamic power going so that you can get up the bridge and you can share your wins. And if you don't like helping people, you will, because that's the end result of the bridge is we're not getting anywhere unless we're helping one another, shoulder to shoulder effort. So we just want you to understand these concepts so that you can apply them to your life and there's a lot of data and I'm always surprised about how little people know, though they're Scientologists, because they haven't applied the ethics to get themselves, to learn the data, to apply the data. And I'm struggling and I'm having a hard time and I'm doing this and it's not working. Okay, there's something you don't know Because if you understand it, you won't be the adverse effect of it. So that's why it's important Ethics, tech and admin.
Speaker 1:So across the one hour mark here, we hope you folks have enjoyed this podcast. I personally don't think it's a dry subject at all, but if you've got any back off on ethics, get in touch with us. We can help you. We've got an ethics repair list. We can get that stuff handled. It is a miraculous repair list. Handle that bypass charge and wrong indications on ethics. Everything under the sun can be handled on the ethics repair list. It is all the tech, because auditing is the greater form of ethics. It's just getting you to the point to where you can get in session and put that order into the disorder on your dynamics. That's what we're here for. We love you all. We want to help you, help yourself. So for Quentin and myself, we hope you've enjoyed this podcast and we'll see you on Friday for another podcast, namaste, and we love you. Bye-bye.
Speaker 2:I'm off to the gym. Thank you, thank you.