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SE10EP15 - Psychiatry and Natural Health
Could psychiatry be perpetuating outdated practices, cloaked in modern medicine's guise? We're uncovering the controversial realm of psychiatry and how it stacks up against alternatives like Independent Scientology and Dianetics. Journey with us to the Glore Psychiatric Museum in Missouri, a testament to the bygone era of lobotomies and shock therapy, and hear insights from the Citizens Commission on Human Rights, which critique these approaches for their lack of curative power. Our deep dive into the comparison between traditional psychiatric treatments and Dianetics reveals a striking contrast, highlighting the transformative power of sessions that avoid evaluation and invalidation, unlike the temporary relief often found in typical therapy.
Ever wondered how alternative healing modalities like Independent Scientology, chiropractic care, and holistic health are challenging the status quo? We connect the dots between these practices and their focus on energy flows, chiropractic alignment, and even unconventional remedies such as vitamin C and baking soda. These approaches, often dismissed by mainstream medicine, argue for a more integrated understanding of physical and mental health. We'll dissect the influence of industry interests in mainstream treatments, especially in cancer therapies, and weigh in on Louise Hay's pioneering thoughts on mind-body health connections.
What if illness isn't as inevitable as we've been led to believe? In our critical examination of health norms, we question the perceived normalcy of sickness and evaluate the implications of MNRA vaccines and AI's role in healthcare. The conversation touches on controversial topics, from Wi-Fi's effects on graphene particles to the surprising suggestion that nicotine might offer some counteraction. Emphasizing the crucial link between physical health and mental clarity, we'll discuss the significance of self-care practices like exercise, proper nutrition, and alternative remedies. We're advocating for a shift in how we think about wellness, urging listeners to take control of their health and well-being.
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Hi everyone and welcome, welcome, welcome. Welcome to another Scientology Outside of the Church podcast. This is season 10, episode 15. Arthur has the day off. It's Q and I here today and we're going to get into one? We're going to get into one. Hey everybody, one, we're gonna get into one. Hey everybody, we're gonna get into one. Uh, about psychiatry and alternative medicine, and this will be a uh, an interesting one. We haven't really talked much about psychiatry, so, um, where do you want to start off on this Q?
Speaker 2:Well, you know, I just think that psychiatry and I want to make a clear distinction between psychiatry and psychology, psychiatry, just for the sake of this conversation is anything dealing with drugging, invasive practices like shock therapy or lobotomies and things of that nature. Those are psychiatric. Well, yeah, those are all psychiatric practices. Dare I say, borderline, torturous, but yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:That barbarisms, yeah, yeah, and that's the. I mean, you know, these things still go on, these things still go on, but you don't hear about them unless it's the patient itself. Well, I'm going in on Tuesday to get a lobotomy to handle my whatever. And there's a psychiatric museum in St Joseph, missouri, I've never seen. In all my travels, all my travels, I've never seen a psychiatric museum anywhere else in the United States and it's called Glore Psychiatric Museum. Look it up on the internet and they have all kinds. I mean, you'd think that you had gone to england and gone to one of these, uh, castle slash museum places where they have all these torture uh devices.
Speaker 1:I mean it's very yeah it's very, very similar and all the things that you know this pain drug, hypnosis, or what LRH calls PDHing, and there's an interesting video that and I'm going to make the distinction here the Citizens Commission on Human Rights, cchr, which was developed, was started by a friend of mine who, interestingly enough, no longer is in the church and no longer is in Scientology, and I tried to tell him about what was going on in 2004. And he wouldn't leave the church and then I found out in 2019, he was out-out when I talked to him on Facebook. His name's Kutch is his nickname. Anyway, kutch was the guy that started CCHR for the church, along with Dennis I can't remember his last name, dennis, something or other and yeah, so CCHR had this video that they did and they went and interviewed a man on the street type of a thing, a bunch of psychiatrists, and it's a great video because they asked these psychiatrists just, you know, dropped a question on as they were on the street, look like new york city and said you know, have you ever cured a patient?
Speaker 1:And I think they asked. In the video that I saw, they asked like eight or ten of them. One of them said that they cured a patient out of that eight or ten, and the rest of them laughed and said, no, you can't cure a patient.
Speaker 2:You can't cure them yeah.
Speaker 1:You can't cure them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's always treatment, never cure, never remedy, never healing. You know, when it comes to psychiatry, the idea is that something is wrong with the brain and you guys feel free to comment down in the comments below, but the idea is that something is wrong with the brain. And because something is wrong with the brain, then let's do something to the brain, whether it be drugging it, whether it be chemical lobotomies, whether it be actual physical lobotomies, which I don't know if they do those too much anymore, but maybe they do.
Speaker 2:And then yeah yeah, I think they do. Actually still, practice is supposed to be more humane way than yesteryear. And then also, too, whether it be using long-term antidepressants, antipsychotics, anti-anxiety medications, stuff like that. Which all those things do is just change your neuroreceptors, change your dopamine levels, change your serotonin levels artificially, right, and you therefore, quote unquote, feel differently because of the way it affects the brain chemistry.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's the thing is psychiatrists, psychologists, they don't understand about the communication cycle. They don't understand about wrong items and outlists and giving outlists and asking who, what or why questions. When you ask a who, what or why question if you don't get the right item, you horribly re-stimulate the pre-clear, the patient, and this stirs up a hornet's nest in their case and this just makes things worse. And that's the thing is that these guys, they don't have a clue. Now I'm not saying 100% of psychiatrists, 100% of psychologists are all bad and throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Speaker 1:There are some decent people, but when you get into libido theory and you get into mama and papa and all that stuff, now you know there is some validity to your parents having something to do with the way you behave and all that stuff. But it's not the way Freud describes it and it's not that sex has everything to do with it in the brain. They've never made a distinction between the body and the thetan and the mind. It was that man like we were talking about right before the podcast. Man is an animal and must be treated as an animal. That's how they look at it and that's pretty barbaric, especially in the 21st century and you know there's a lot of.
Speaker 2:Well, and it's just categorically not true. It's categorically not true and it's been proven that there's. I mean, if you want to even go back evolutionary and da-da-da, it's proven that we're on a whole different track of evolution than even some of our cousins or counterparts. We're on a whole different track. And so the truth is, you're not an animal, you are a spiritual being having a human experience. You're not your brain, you exist with or without that right, that piece of tissue, that piece of gray matter.
Speaker 2:And to deal with that, exclusively or primarily, I think LRH says it's like, you know, trying to change the tire or trying to ask the car next to the car with the good tire to change the car with the bad tire, it's like no, the car is not. That's not. The mechanical aspect of it is not the problem. Is it problematic? Yes, does it have a functional issue? Sure, but that's not the cause. And so when we look at as Scientologists, when we look at causes, we look at causes as a thing to look into and to correct and to remedy and to heal and to cure. I'm okay with using that word, and I can tell you some of my own stories. When we look at those things. We look at those things from a causative perspective, not from a functional perspective, and I think that's the difference between psychiatry and what we do as Scientologists.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and they put a tremendous accent on symptoms instead. So they're looking at the symptomatic side. They don't have any understanding of the causative side of it, what the source of these things are. And we're looking at almost 100 and what, 130 years on and it hasn't developed to where they can cure somebody of something, developed to where they can cure somebody of something. Now, you know, there are times where somebody goes into quote-unquote therapy with a psychiatrist and the psychiatrist has a good communication cycle and can grant them beingness. And you know, if I were to say, if I were to say where psychiatry goes wrong the most beyond the symptomatic side, it would be violation of the auditor's code, evaluation and invalidation.
Speaker 2:I totally agree. I totally agree Go ahead.
Speaker 1:Well, what you should think, what you shouldn't be doing all this stuff. Instead of letting the person look at it from what's true for them, they're telling them what to think based off of symptomatic data. You were going to say, yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, no, I was just going to tell my story as it relates to my own personal experience. Well, no, I was just going to tell my story as it relates to my own personal experience, never having gone to a psychiatrist although I do have some psychiatrist clients, which that's a whole different story psychologist in Minnesota and was able to two-way calm me through a lot and after each session I felt better, I felt brighter, I felt seen, I felt heard All of these wonderful things. This is psychology right, two-way calming therapy, that kind of thing right Now. Of course there was a lot of evaluation and this is what I think kind of thing that she would say, but it was good to, kind of. I felt good in having those conversations.
Speaker 2:And so a year later, I go to her for about a year, have wonderful sessions with her, and a year later I'm in a 2D relationship, 2d flow, and we're just watching television and somehow we just started doing a little tickle fight. You know, a little tickle fight, and my 2D was like stop, you play too much. Like that, you play too much and that one phrase you play too much. My body locked up, my fist balled up into a ball and I started. I covered my face with my fists, like my hand was covering my face, and I stayed like that for I would say maybe a minute or so, like what's going on, because I wasn't moving. And I finally snap out of it and I realized I had kind of like, went somewhere else, right, I went into a very scared, dark place, a place that my therapist, my psychotherapist, had talked me through and worked me through the issue, and we went through it and you know, but never cleared it Right. So it still, it still popped up in me with that one phrase you play too much, right?
Speaker 2:So fast forward, uh, 2006, that was like in 2002, between 2003, 2004, 2002, between 2003, 2004. 2006, I'm sitting in a Dianetics session with my co-auditor and we're doing the Dianetics co-audit and this same thing comes up and totally cleared it, totally came up tone, totally laughing about it and everything, and it was gone. It was absolutely gone and has never affected me since. It's been over a decade, nearly a decade, oh don't, I'm sorry, two decades, jesus. It's yeah, 2020, 2006 to 2025. Yeah, it's been 20, 20 years and it's never affected me again. I say all that for a reason In one Dianetics session I was able to you will get gains. When it's not, will there be some positive aspects of it? Sure, but it will not stick, not in my lived experience. It has not stuck.
Speaker 1:Just applying the auditor's code to any conversation. And again, when I say the auditor's code I'm pigeonholing it a little bit but no evaluation, no invalidation, and those things make all the difference. Just those two points, and I mean that speaks volumes. A year to one session, yeah, you just, and that's it's so.
Speaker 1:Dianetics, both original book one the original book and New Era Dianetics both original book one the original book and new era Dianetics are so deceptively simple in their methodology. I mean it's very, very simple. You find an incident to run in book one and you run it and you find all of the earlier engrams and you run it to the basic and you get the postulate off. Boom. Same thing with new area dianetics. But you're looking at the meter as far as what the tone arm is doing and if it's up there's an earlier beginning or there's an earlier incident. And then you run them through it and you get the postulate off and you get an FN and it. You know it's that simple. It's that simple and soon you're going to be able to do it with AI, with us. But we'll talk about that in another podcast.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know. You know, even looking at psychiatry from the medication perspective, you know these medications cause fluctuations in your neurotransmitters, the way you're going back to the brain, since that's very important in psychiatry the way your brain moves stimuli and impulses through itself, right, it actually affects the way the brain moves information or these electrochemicals it tells through the introduction of body-produced chemicals.
Speaker 1:I mean and this is where the Pavlov thing comes in the Pavlovian theory is the body produces chemicals to reward or save the body, fight or flight, flight, that type of a thing. And when you start messing around with with, I mean it would be, it would be like putting on an added circuit board with a computer on it. That is changing things up. When you put drugs into a to a body that altered the brain chemicals in a body and many, many, many, many, many people say I got off that shit because it was really messing with me.
Speaker 2:I don't know how many people.
Speaker 1:I've talked to that, have said that.
Speaker 2:Well, I used to work at a psychology clinic in Minnesota and in fact it was the same clinic where I had my therapist, and when working there we would see people who were on what they call black label medications, black label drugs. A black box, I'm sorry, black box, or black label. Label drugs. A black box, I'm sorry, black box, or black label. And these drugs, it literally says on there, can have life threatening adverse effects. Right Can cause a person to want to unalive themselves.
Speaker 1:Can cause a person to hurt others?
Speaker 2:Exactly, yeah, and you could see the difference when a person wasn't taking their meds, and of course, that would give them validation to put them on more meds, right, or get them. You know, let's get you back on your meds.
Speaker 1:We need to up your dosage, yeah.
Speaker 2:We need to up your dosage, right. But what was happening was like there'll be times that we'll be literally having a conversation with the patient and they'll just stop and we'll be like Mr Johnson, you OK, mr Johnson, and then out of nowhere, it's almost like they went catatonic or something and then out of nowhere they'll come back and they'll just continue the conversation as if it was normal. And again this was their reasoning for wanting them to get on more meds. Right, like, let's medicate them more heavily.
Speaker 2:But you could tell it was the drugs that was messing with them, because before Mr Johnson would just be talking, talking, talking, talking, talking, talking, talking, talking, talking, talking, talking, talking, talking, talking, talking, talking, talking, talking, talking, talking Johnson would be very different, right. And so they would have to find and this is another interesting viewpoint they would have to find the right chemicals. We got to find the right chemicals, or the right combination of chemicals, or the right whatever to handle how much your brain ain't producing whatever. You know what I mean. And so it's all kind of like luck of the draw, figure, figure, let's, we're gonna find the right balance, we're gonna find it. You just gotta give us time.
Speaker 1:meanwhile, this person, you know, can't stay off a ledge right, yeah, and and I really, I really don't think they have an idea of what they're really doing to a person.
Speaker 1:Uh, one for one, these school shootings that you see, oh yeah, these, these kids are on psych drugs and if you look at the profit that these drug producers, the big pharma, at least in the United States, they're making a fortune off of these people and the misery that happens and there's no responsibility taken or anything like that. You know they've signed patients have signed waivers and all that, and it's you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater because there's, it doesn't help, but it's big, big money. And the difference between a psychiatrist and a psychologist is a psychiatrist can write a script for whatever it is that they want to prescribe you. So psychiatry, no bueno, no bueno. And you look at how many people are on Adderall and they can't get off. It is an epidemic, an epidemic. They can't get off of Adderall. There are millions upon millions of people on Adderall right now, hundreds of millions Every single day, and they need it.
Speaker 1:Every single day and they need it, and so you know that's big money too day and they need it, and so you know that's big money too. So you have to, you really have to wonder what's really going on here. So you know, to kind of bookend this whole thing. Stay away from that sort of a thing. Just do some Dianetics.
Speaker 2:Well, and I'll say this I'll say this because we're not. I can speak for myself. I'm not a psychiatrist, I've never gone to school for psychiatry, gone through psychiatric treatment, and clients of mine who are currently in psychiatric treatment, as in taking medications, stuff and so on. So these are people who I am experiencing these conversations with, right, and so this is not stuff I just read out of a book, right?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was going to say, and every psychiatrist and yes, we have every psychiatrist that we have had on our lines that has been interested in doing Dianetics and Scientology was in rough shape, really rough shape. As a being themselves, I find that very, very interesting.
Speaker 2:They're looking for help themselves. I find that very very interesting.
Speaker 1:They're looking for help for themselves.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, even outside of what they're currently doing, their current medications or whatever, whatever, which is the reason why Elder H came up with the purification program, like the purists, because it was necessary to get these drugs, whatever drugs they are. It might not be, it could be street drugs, could be whatever, but it's necessary to get it out of you and to expel these drugs in order for you to have stable gains as a being right.
Speaker 2:Because your your, your, your body, all that stuff is being impacted by these kinds of things Now, and maybe we can kind of segue into the alternative medicine side of things, because obviously there's a space for some kind of help, some kind of support. When we're talking about psychiatry, we're talking about the big pharma chemical soups that are either put into you, injected into you or whatever it could be, and it does stuff to the brain, it does stuff to the nervous system, it does stuff to the digestive system, the sexual, that one's sexual ability to perform sexually. All that stuff is a part of that whole. I just call it chemical soup. Off of that, there are alternative medicines, right, and it's interesting, they call it alternative when it's really just natural medicine. But there's natural medicine and natural processes and things that one can do to help them out. Um, what's your take on that? What is? What is Scientology? You know, as independent Scientologists, how do we approach that?
Speaker 1:Well, um, let's, let's take, for example, chiropractic. Let's take, for example, chiropractic. Chiropractic has always been the redheaded stepchild of the quote-unquote medical industry. I mean, you can be a doctor of chiropractic and it just blows my mind how poorly they're looked at by medical doctors chiropractors are. When a chiropractor can adjust a body and make changes that if the person hadn't gone to a chiropractor they would have had something cut out, cut off, or something put in place of what was cut out or cut off when it didn't need to be. And chiropractic has been around for a very, very long time and it makes so much sense because it has to do with energy flows in the body. Your body produces energy, it communicates with energy. And then you know it's a shame Arthur isn't here today, but you know you've got the Kirlian technology where you can take a picture of the aura of the body and all this stuff.
Speaker 1:Lrh talks about this too. You know, you're an energy production unit and flows get blocked, that sort of thing, and they have to be reopened. And that's why we have the nerve assist, that's why we have the touch assist. Yes, there you go the effect of mental masses that are produced by the Phaeton on the body that then impinge upon the body and block flows, and this is a key datum that needs to be understood and chiropractic helps with that.
Speaker 1:It doesn't necessarily alleviate permanently, but it's something that if you start getting it open, you might go get an adjustment and you feel a little bit better in it, but it's not perfected. You keep going twice a week, every couple you know for a few weeks and then that flow is opened. Practically every person, every person that is born into this world, is immediately their neck is put out of position by the doctor who's pulling the baby out of the birth canal. And you'll go around for 20, 30, 40, 50 years before you know that your body is in disalignment because your head was twisted as you were coming out of the birth canal.
Speaker 2:Oh wow, I didn't even think about that as a thing.
Speaker 1:And a good chiropractor. Well, that's one of the first things they'll check once they get your paperwork. Have you ever been to a chiropractor before? It's one of the first things they'll check, because it affects the blood flow to the brain and you're like, oh, wait a minute, he's talking about the brain. Hang on, if you're not getting proper blood flow to the switchboard known as the brain, you're going to have a problem. It's going to make you feel funky, it's going to alter your mood, it's going to cause the chemicals that the brain makes that cause your body to operate normally. This is just how this thing works. I'm not getting into. You know I am, but I'm not. Your brain's not going to function properly if you can't get enough blood flow to the brain. Because the brain needs oxygen, it's dead within five minutes if it doesn't get the proper amount of oxygen to these areas handling these areas of the composite case that are affecting and creating masses on the body. Okay, so it's no wonder that you would have body problems from the composite case that chiropractic could fix. Maybe you need to do it and you just have to get a tune-up every couple of weeks.
Speaker 1:I know I do, and bodies don't stay the same. They change their makeup, changes as you get older and you're not getting the right amount of minerals and nutrients in the body because you have plaque, for example, arteriosclerosis and everything. And that brings us to are you getting enough exercise? Because if you look at Scientology axioms, if you don't use it, you lose it. If you don't put a create on the body, the body goes into apathy and LRH even says the primary cause for cancer, the primary cause for cancer is the body giving up and going into apathy. On the second dynamic, my mom died from breast cancer shortly after my dad said no, I don't want to get back together with you and it was really important to her and she gave up.
Speaker 1:Body gave up. There was no game anymore.
Speaker 1:And you could look at this as and I'm not saying that the Scientology doesn't you can't because of the way the medical establishment has things set up on this planet, more than anything, almost exclusively. You can't say that we cure physical ailments because they corner the market on that, because it's big, big, big, big money. When my mom was in the hospital for chemotherapy, $16,000 a bag for the chemotherapy, chemical Chemotherapy geez, $16,000. So it's no wonder that they want to protect that industry and they don't want a resolution to it, because it is the cash cow of cash cows.
Speaker 2:Wait. So she did chemotherapy.
Speaker 1:The doctor suggested she did chemotherapy and it made her feel so bad and so ill. She said, john, I can't do this anymore.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:We tried vitamin C therapy but it was too late and there are lots of other therapies outside of the United States to handle cancer that do work, and cancer is primarily a fungus. It's primarily a fungus and it can be treated with one of the cheapest substances known to man. And a company you remember, baking soda Arm Hammer. Yeah, yeah. Baking soda therapy and this is something that people have to go over to Europe to get, because you can't get it in the United States because it's illegal.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that kind of treatment.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a who benefits kind of thing.
Speaker 2:Totally, totally. You know it's interesting because, even as we can't say, you know this stuff cures, right, because again, that's illegal per the FDA.
Speaker 2:There's a writer. Her name is Louise Hay. Louise Hay says anything they say is incurable simply means curable from within, and she talks about how you can heal your life. That's the name of the book. You Can Heal your Life. Anything that they say is incurable simply means curable from within, and so there's a different way of going about it. They can't cure it right, and so when I let me go back, because if any FDA folk listen to this conversation, I'm not saying that Scientology cured me. What I'm saying is, is I cured myself using me? What I'm saying is, is I cured myself using, and I used diet, exercise, psychology, uh, as a part of my own process of finding my ability to cure myself, and you can't stop me from curing me.
Speaker 1:Okay, that's right, that's right. And I'm going to go as far as to say this If you do auditing and you get through and you get to clear and you get up on the upper end of the bridge, which would be from OT3 on, which would be from OT3 on, you will become uniquely aware of what it is that is causing the body problems. And this has to do with the composite case. And the body itself is an amazing, amazing machine, though it is an impediment to the thetin, it is an amazing machine that self-regulates and self-cures and a lot of the stuff, a lot of the problems. Well, I mean, let's just come down to it, what Al Wright says All sickness is potential trouble source based okay, and that comes from suppression.
Speaker 1:But you, you can handle 97, 98% of the body's problems with getting up the bridge If you do it soon enough and and and you handle any suppression on your lines that that type of a thing, and you handle any suppression on your lines that type of a thing. But it's the thetan that causes the problem to the body more often than not, almost one for one that there's something going on in the mind that is disposing people to these issues. Now, of course, if somebody's born with a withered arm or something like that, well you know that could be it too. I mean, we're not octopi and we're not going to get you to grow your arm back or something like that. I mean, the body can only do so much. But a lot of this stuff that you see can be handled with processing and education on how the mind works, if you want to. But when you have a society that is built upon the symptomatic side, well, what's going on with you? Well, it's this or it's this or it's that. It's still PTS-ness at the end of the day, and so if you get the suppression off of your lines, you're going to be in a lot better shape. But you've got to get people to be aware of this in order to do something about it, and that's part of the reason why Scientology was attacked because it goes right after the pocketbooks of this inbuilt system of healthcare. So that's something to take into consideration. You know, should you take minerals and vitamins? Yes, you should. Should you do way more than necessary? No, but you know, eat good food. Don't live in a dirty city. Don't get near radiation. If you can avoid it, which is pretty hard because the whole planet has radiation on it now since we've entered the nuclear age.
Speaker 1:You know, there are lots of alternative practices that a person can do. You know, for example and I'm not talking about mental yoga, but yoga is tremendous, tremendous for a person to do. If you want to get in good shape and you don't want to go lift weights, that type of thing, get on a good yoga program, go take a class and after two or three weeks of doing that, you're going to find, you're going to find that you go exterior. This stuff works. This stuff works and and and I'm not, I'm not saying I'm not saying do yoga to go exterior, I'm just saying that's a side effect of it, because it's been around for so long and it's been codified so well that it can exercise the body in ways that nothing else can and your body is in as good a shape as it's gonna get if you do a really good yoga program and not get into the spiritual side of it and stuff like that. I don't recommend that. Your body is in as good a shape as it's going to get if you do a really good yoga program, you know, and not get into the spiritual side of it and stuff like that. I don't recommend that. But it's amazing what things are out there. You know, these natural remedies, these herbal remedies, that type of a thing.
Speaker 1:When I had staph infection, I was taking echinacea, I was taking colloidal silver. What was the other one? Oh, olive leaf extract. Olive leaf extract is great. If you feel like you're getting sick, take a handful of like five or six capsules of olive leaf extract three times a day and take 5,000 units of vitamin C and you'll kick whatever it is that you've got right in the ass with this stuff. It doesn't take much. The body doesn't need much to kick these things out. So you know, that's what I've observed, though I've never been in the hospital once my entire life, never had my tonsils taken out, never had gallbladder issues, nothing like that. But then again, I've been in Scientology my whole life, so maybe that has something to do with it?
Speaker 1:I think that it does. But anyway, what else do we want to cover on this?
Speaker 2:Well, I was going to say that there's so many things that one can do to start to help their body. I'm a huge fan of oregano oil. I'm also a huge fan of black seed. Um um, the prophet, the honorable Elijah Muhammad, said that black seed can heal everything, every disease except death. Okay, he said every, every disease except death. And so you know, like, working with black seed, um, you know, there's just so many wonderful, wonderful things. Even, I think, scripture, the Bible, even says that and the leaves of the trees were for the curing of the nations. Now, that's Bible. I don't know if the FDA got any regulation on that, but he says and the leaves of the trees are for the curing of the nations. And so you know, these things are meant to help you.
Speaker 2:Now there are some things and I want to be very clear in what I'm saying here there are some things that actually do have adverse effects on you as well, like marijuana and THC. Right, thc can have very adverse effects, even though it's a natural plant and everybody says but that's natural, you said natural, right? However, thc is a toxin. So let's be clear on what it is. Cbd is something different. Cbd has a lot of for people with epilepsy, for people with different diagnosis, cbd can have a lot of benefits. Again, I'm not a medical, I'm not a doctor, so do your own research. But suffice it to say there's so many ways that you can get your body in good shape, both internally and externally, if you so choose. And then in talking to somebody like an auditor, and getting in session and going up the bridge and handling those things that need to be handled, those things definitely have a good service facsimiles. Oh my God, I want to talk about that Service facsimiles and what they do to a person.
Speaker 2:What they do to a person. Now, for those of you who don't know, a service facsimile is basically something that a person uses to try to make themselves right, based off an engram Right. So it's a mechanism based off an engram that they try to use to make themselves right. Lrh talks about in one of his lectures about a gentleman who had ulcers and it was shown to be a service facsimile. It was a service facsimile that was kicked in and he was going around with ulcers and everything and he said he took amino acids and kept taking amino acids and, by God, one morning he woke up and he didn't have ulcers and he said but that he didn't have his ulcers anymore. Listen to this that he didn't have his ulcers anymore. It worried him sick Very shortly. He has night sweats.
Speaker 2:So what happens is is that when you have these service facsimiles that are keyed in, that are working constantly on you, it's going to show up in your body, it's going to show up in your skin. It's going to show up in your body. It's going to show up in your skin. It's going to show up in other ways, right, even if you do something to try to fix that symptom hear the words, because psychiatry deals with a lot of symptoms Even if you fix something that deals with the symptom, the service facsimile, that thing that tries to keep you right, to keep you, quote unquote in the I need to survive, by God that service facsimile can kick in something else and therefore you know. And then they say oh no, but those are just the side effects. Now you constipated, that's the side effect. Now you can't get an erection, that's a side effect. Okay, well, you know, know, service facts be service.
Speaker 1:Back in yeah, and it's it's, it's what, what the person uses to aid their survival and hinder that of others. And you know why it's the why can't you do something? Well, it's because of my pain in my zorge I can't do this, and I mean you know? How many people are on disability in the United States, in the world, are in government assistance because they have disability, a disability.
Speaker 2:Well now, you hold up on people disability check.
Speaker 1:Now, that's people disability check, yeah, and you know how many people would get mad and say you know you're cutting off my income, that that is a service facsimile, that's it, that's, that's, that's it. And when they get upset about it, you're missing their withhold. That they're creating this thing that they're using to make themselves right and others wrong, and that's their physical disability. Yeah, I mean, you just look at that and you go that's insane, but it is. And LRH says that the service facsimile is a cousin to an evil purpose. You're using the reactive mind as a justification, something that you're putting there and you're mocking up to have a physical disability, that then you're taking drugs for it that have side effects. That makes you more sick and costs you more money, and then raises the bottom line and the profit margins of these big pharma companies, and so they push it more on other people. So all you get is you're just beefing up and feeding into the system of making people sick.
Speaker 2:That's crazy.
Speaker 1:That's just crazy when it can be handled with simple auditing it just blows my mind how it's a snake eating its tail. So service facsimiles Continuously. Yeah, service facsimiles abound. Every person you see riding around in walmart. I'm one of those damn electrical carts blocking the aisle sideways and and you can't. You see I'm sick.
Speaker 2:That's service facts, oh gosh yeah, and let me say this and you can tell the difference between a person who is using this to be right versus somebody who wants to. You know, like, let's say, a person who was born with a certain condition, or a person who's at their leg or something like that, or whatever it can be, and they might be in a wheelchair, but they're like you know what. I want to do this myself. I want to be more able, I want to be independent, I want to have my own. You know my own way about me. Right, you could tell that person is as a different working, with a different energy, than the person of can't. You see, I'm sick. You should cater to me and make me feel good. You know that kind of thing. That's a very different energy. Then you know what I want to do this. Let me try it, and if I need some help I'll ask you. Right, that's all tone scale. Yeah, it's a very, very different way of approaching things. So, again, none of this is to make anyone wrong.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:None of this is to make anyone wrong. What it's basically saying is is that when we look at psychiatry as a practice, when we look at this as a practice, we see the barbarism, we see the wrong or incorrect estimation that you are an animal and you're just a lump of meat in between your ears, or you're primarily composed of that. We know that you're more than that and as Thetans, as a spiritual being having a human experience, you get to understand that there's a causality to all of this. There's a causation and if you understand how to approach the causation which in Dianetics he goes over that extensively If you understand the causation, you'll understand why this stuff works. You'll really get it. So read Dianetics, modern Science of Mental Health, get into a course, get yourself really hatted on how to help you and others to remedy the things that might be ailing you, and just take it from there and continue going up the bridge and see how your life changes for the better.
Speaker 1:Yeah, being sick physically or being sick quote unquote mentally is not normal. It isn't the way things should be or have to be. It's abnormal and you don't have to agree with it. But on this planet it's just expecting we don't have, uh, national health care. Everybody deserves a right to to have health care and everything. Yes, they do. But the thing is is you don't have to be sick. It's not normal to be sick that's a book.
Speaker 2:The book is called you don't have to be sick, it's a wonderful book, but uh, jack, jack, don't drop. Yeah, you don't have to be sick, it's a wonderful book, but Jack.
Speaker 1:Don Throck yeah, you don't have to be sick, and but that's that. Well, everybody gets sick, you know. And you know the whole COVID thing and all that stuff, I mean this, it's. I mean, just the other day, just the other day, before Biden left office, he pardoned Anthony Fauci, the poster child for COVID. He pardoned Anthony Fauci, the poster child for COVID, he pardoned him. What does that tell you? Except, it was criminal, that's right. That's right. And there was a withhold there and that whole thing was an installation of a kill switch. This is how they're controlling people by the billions with these MNRA, quote-unquote vaccines. And then I just watched Larry Ellison the other day and you know I'm not a political person, I didn't vote. I haven't voted since 1992, I think since 1992, I think in an election. He had Larry Ellison, the CEO of Oracle, up on stage talking about this $500 billion program, stargate for AI. And what are they up there talking about? Larry's talking about creating these MNRA vaccines for cancer.
Speaker 2:What does that have to do with anything?
Speaker 1:Exactly exactly. So the narrative is still being pushed on this MNRA vaccine and AI will help us develop these magical drugs that will get rid of cancer. And then Elon Musk pipes up, who's practically Trump's running mate on this whole thing, and he says they don't have the money. I know from firsthand sources they don't have this $500 billion to do this. This is pretty scary, because these pharmaceutical companies are throwing incredible amounts of money, incredible amounts of money, towards AI to develop drugs that will enslave us all. This is the first time that's happened either.
Speaker 1:It is here, but not throughout history, because if you can control the body and control the brain, you control the fate, and we need to be very, very vigilant about this, because all they have to do is the same old thing they always do, which is problem reaction solution. They create a problem, covid, they get you to react and to put on a mask and all that. And what do you do? Well, then they get the solution they want.
Speaker 1:You need to get a vaccine, and then you need to get five boosters, you know, and then I don't know if you've seen this, I don't know if I sent this to you or not, but they can control these graphene particles. They can control them through Wi-Fi to move things in the physical universe. It's the creepiest thing I've ever seen and this is the stuff that's in the COVID vaccine they can take. They can put this graphene on a tabletop surface and they can control it through radio to get it to move objects across the tabletop. They can get this graphene to have two different levels, like stairs. Okay, so you've got a lower level and an upper level. They can get the graphene to throw part of its constituents up into the air up onto the other step and, like you've seen ants how they try and climb something yeah right.
Speaker 1:They can get the graphene to do the same thing. Wow, they can get the graphene to exit the body with a radio signal that causes you to bleed out of every orifice on your body, if they want to. I'm not. I'm dead serious about this. This is the stuff they're putting in people's bodies with this, with this COVID stuff, this graphene. This was all staged and you, you can. Nicotine helps you get rid of it. If you can believe that, is that true? Yes, yes, google it. You might not be able to find it on Google, but you can find it. I'm not going to say where, but you can find it. I haven't looked for it on Google, but nicotine stops it. Wow, yeah, so this is the planet that we live on on and you don't have to be sick. And when they're installing something in your body that makes you feel sick because you had to take a vaccine, or your employer made you take a vaccine, or whatever, you need to question that, your body and I'm sorry to sound hokey.
Speaker 1:Your body is the most sacred of temples you can have and without it you can't get in session, you can't get anything done, and you need to protect that by treating it right, getting it exercised, getting the right nutrients. And there's another thing If you cook your food over a certain amount of temperature, you're killing all the good guys in it.
Speaker 1:And then you have to take grapeseed extract to put it in. If you take a cucumber and you peel the outside of the cucumber off, you know, like with a potato peeler, all that's left in the cucumber, all of that nutrients cannot be metabolized by the body because the enzymes are on the outside, in the skin of the cucumber. Same goes for a potato.
Speaker 2:Oh, really, yeah, I love potato skin.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's great on fries. But there's all these tiny little things that they do in our society that eliminate the things that allow you to metabolize foods properly, and one of them is heating food over a certain temperature. Depending on what the food is, it varies and you're killing the nutrients in the food because you're heating it up, so you're losing the nutrients, and then that forces you to go out and buy something else or you get sick. All of this stuff has been instituted throughout time because they knew it was going on.
Speaker 2:Wait. So what does grapeseed extract do?
Speaker 1:Grapeseed extract allows you to get the nutrients out of it, even though it's been cooked over a certain temperature.
Speaker 2:Really. Yeah, there was another one. You said something about leaf, something leaf, olive, leaf Same thing Comes from the same.
Speaker 1:Yeah, olive leaf extract. It's a sort of looks it almost looks like. Well, hey, you know what olive oil is? Okay, it's, it's almost exactly the same compound, but it's it's great instead it's from the leaf of the.
Speaker 1:I mean, I'm looking at them outside my window here, right outside of the office. I've got grapes growing out here on the vine on the trellis here, and so you take that and you turn it into a liquid and it's a natural antibiotic and it kicks staff's ass. I mean, it gets rid of viral infections naturally, naturally, wow.
Speaker 2:I'm going to do my research on this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, look it up and there's tons and tons. There's a lady on Facebook. They took her licenses away and imprisoned her and all this stuff because she's got all of these natural remedies. It's amazing the data that she has and there's lots of people out there that have this, but it flies right in the teeth of the big farmer and the doctors and everything because and that's why they went after LRH. He tried to give them Dianetics and they were like we're not, no, we're not going to do this because there's no money in the cure, there's money in the cup.
Speaker 2:Right, and if you really think about it, it makes sense. Like when you really read Dianetics and definitely when you use it right, when you actually get in session, you see the wins, you see the advantage, you see yourself. You can literally become yourself. Out of the muck and the mire of your own aberration and stuff like that. You become yourself own. You know aberration and stuff like that. You become yourself. Why wouldn't anybody put their hands on this, especially if they were really interested in you know helping others and curing people and stuff like that? Why would you just dismiss this out of hand, right, like there's something behind it? When they say, oh no, we read the book but no, we ain't going to use that one, why, oh no, no, it didn't, it didn't need our peer-reviewed. You know other psychiatrists that sit on a you know ivory tower, like the. You know the, the four horsemen of the apocalypse or whatever, that they didn't say that it was okay. And what do you do?
Speaker 1:well, these guys know yeah, these guys know, and and and everybody listening to this podcast when your body doesn't feel good, what are you going to get done? You're not going to get done a whole hell of a lot because the body weighs you down and you, you have to take care of it. You have to put a create on it and and the create that you put on the body is to the degree that you're going to feel good. And LRH says the definition of a silly optimist is a the, the degree that you're going to feel good. And LRH says the definition of a silly optimist is a thetan who thinks they're going to feel good in the body every day because it's a hindrance. That's the difference of a silly optimist A silly optimist, but it's a hindrance to the degree that you exercise. It is to the degree that the body is keyed out. You go to the gym, you do some yoga, whatever you go for a run, ride your bike.
Speaker 1:You do this, you're keying the body out, and you can key the body out only so much. But when you key the body out now, you can key the body out only so much. But when you key the body out now, you have one less thing holding you back and that's why you can't go in session when you're hungry. You can't go in session when you're tired. You can't go in session when you drank. You can't go in session when you've had drugs, because drugs key in masses. Alcohol keys in masses. Lack of food keys in masses. Not enough water keys in masses to this body.
Speaker 1:You have to have these fundamental things in Exercise with the body is key, because if you do that, you're going to feel like you can do more. You're going to feel extroverted and keyed out to the degree that you'll do things you wouldn't normally do. Those things that you normally do, okay, are the most important things, but you've got to get the body out of the way first. So you have to take care of the body on the first dynamic. If you're not happy we didn't get to mention this the other day If you're not happy, your ethics are out and you've got to look at the body as the first line of defense on that is you've got to take care of the body. Keep it healthy, keep it exercised, move around.
Speaker 1:Lrh has got references on exercise, move it, put some create on it, get it uptoned, because the body wants to be around. It won't do it itself. You have to do it because you're incorporated into it. It's you know. Will your dog go for a walk by itself? No, you have to take a dog out for the walk. That's how they get exercise.
Speaker 2:Well, they'll go, but you know, they might not come back.
Speaker 1:Right, right, but they might not come back. But that's the thing is, is if just as much as you have to walk the dog, it's the same thing. You have to walk the body. Your body is the dog. You need to walk Boy oh boy, all right, well, I'm, it just makes sense because to the degree that you can key the body out is to the degree that you're going to be able to rise up above it and get more done, because this is the thing that's holding you back. I'm not saying that the body is everything, but it is an impediment, it's something that stops you, and when you're putting psychiatric drugs in it, especially, or you're not getting to the chiropractor to keep the flows going on the body, I recommend to everybody. I see, and so many people, oh no, I don't want to go to the chiropractor, I don't like somebody else touching me.
Speaker 1:So what you're telling me is you don't like feeling good, you need to get over that yeah, you know, and there's something to be said, and and you will agree with me on this, there's something to be said and and going and getting a massage oh, when you listen, I live in southeast asia, thailand.
Speaker 2:Listen, it's the best thing I'm telling you now. Don't tie massages. You got to open up those flows.
Speaker 1:That's right, because you're getting a reach and withdraw on all of these signals that are going through the body. You're getting in calm, You're getting into that deep tissue. You got to do this sort of thing every now and then you got to treat yourself, you know. I mean going and getting a facial okay, I get it, that's fine. Getting your nails done, that type of thing, that's different. Okay, that's aesthetic. We're talking about making the body feel good, so that that the being feels like moving the body around, because if you don't give your car a tune-up, it doesn't run for very long.
Speaker 2:So, as I'm hearing you say this and we can get rid of the end off, as I'm hearing you saying this, I'm even thinking about, like it's not the same a massage, like a Thai massage or whatever. It's not the same as a body, commissus, but you literally come out.
Speaker 2:I was going to say but you literally come out. Yeah, I was going to say you come out. I had this one Thai lady in Chiang Mai, thailand, and this woman would work me and she would be lifting my leg and she would be massaging me and I'd be like, oh, and she would just crack up laughing Because she was speaking English, but she knew that she was dealing with some demons in her body.
Speaker 1:Yeah well, and that's the thing is that when you get the body in communication with itself because it gets so out of calm and it gets stagnant, you have to handle that stagnancy by getting some communication in there. And when you've got another person's hands, be it a chiropractor or being a masseuse, I mean there's nothing, nothing to replace that, to make you feel keyed out of the body. That's the point is, it's not just we wanna make the body feel good, we gotta make the thetan feel good and the body is not a distraction.
Speaker 2:And then you can get on Right. That's what it is.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a distraction and that's the thing is, the body becomes the focus of attention. My sickness, my sickness, service facsimile that type of a thing.
Speaker 1:And so if you feed it right, you sleep it right, you get it enough nutrients, and I can't stress how important it is. Get a good mattress, get good pillows, talk to your chiropractor, get enough sleep. If the body doesn't get enough sleep, there is nothing more, nothing more that will pull in mass on the body than a lack of sleep. Forget about all the other stuff we've talked about. If you're not getting enough sleep, you're not going to be able to do anything else because you're not going to be able to see the trees for the forest, and everybody is different. I love these foam mattresses, the really good ones to help you get a good night's sleep. Some people need those chiropractic pillows, some people need foam pillows that are just like the beds and stuff like that. But you've got to look into this stuff. These are simple remedies that allow you to function and get up the bridge quicker, because it could be something as simple as any of the things that we've talked about that are preventing you from rising up and being able to confront your case. That's what this comes down to. That's what it is all about when you confront your case. So food for thought, folks.
Speaker 1:We hope you've enjoyed this podcast and do your due diligence. Don't take our word for it. We're not making any medical claims here or anything like that. These are things you need to look into and if you do, you will love your life better and you'll be able to key out enough to actually get something done and rise above planet Earth suppression. That's what this comes down to. I love it. So we'll see you next week, folks, for another podcast. Thank you, quentin, for being here, namaste, and we love you. Bye, bye, peace, thank you. Thank you, thanks for watching.