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Scientology Outside of the Church Podcast
SE10EP17 - Get Out of Jail Free: Escaping the Religious Monopoly on Spirituality and Truth
Can a board game reveal the secrets of life's greatest institutions? Join us as Quenton takes us on a thrilling journey, with an intense game of Monopoly serving as a metaphor for the monopolistic control often exercised by organized religion. We explore the competitive strategies required to win in Monopoly and draw parallels to how religious organizations capture and maintain spiritual influence. Delving into capitalism's role in spiritual practices, we challenge the status quo and discuss the importance of fostering spiritual growth beyond traditional boundaries.
Life isn’t just a serious game; it’s one where the rules are yours to rewrite. Reflecting on experiences with various spiritual communities, we call for unity and cooperation in the independent Scientology field. Drawing inspiration from the epic saga of Star Wars, we emphasize the importance of following your true calling and trusting in the natural order of things. Personal triumphs and struggles illustrate how aligning with your passion can lead to success, offering a powerful reminder of the importance of investing in what truly matters.
Discover the transformative power of personal growth and spirituality as we prioritize investments in the self over material possessions. The metaphor of Monopoly illustrates the value of taking control of your life and embracing new concepts. Inspired by the teachings of LRH, we encourage listeners, including Quenton and Arthur, to embark on their journey up the bridge, offering support and shared wisdom. Join us for a fulfilling exploration of how to master your own game of life, and begin embracing the abundance of spiritual gifts waiting for you.
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Hey everybody, welcome to another Scientology Outside of the Church podcast. I'm trying to vary the opening greetings just to make it interesting, so it doesn't sound like I'm just cutting and pasting or anything like that. Season 10, episode 17. This will be our 133rd scientology outside of the church podcast. 133rd, nice, nice, we. We haven't. We haven't run out of subjects yet, and so this is going to be an off the cuff. We'll figure out the name of it. Sometimes it's better to hit record instead of talk about it, because some of the best stuff happens before and after. If we had all the stuff from after and before for our podcasts as as editing for outtakes, you guys would be blown away. Some things that come up and we're like God, why didn't we say that? So, yeah, yeah, quentin. Quentin had the idea, starting with the, the, the germ of monopoly. So where are we headed with this, quentin?
Speaker 3:well, you know, it's interesting because I'm a huge fan of monopoly and I'm talking about the game and we have been talking about games theory and, and you know, in the most recent post podcast, and I'm a huge fan of Monopoly and I'm a fan so much that when I play I play hard, like I really play Monopoly hard.
Speaker 2:You play for blood.
Speaker 3:I play for blood and I do my best. This is how you win the game. If you ever want to know, I do my best to exhaust all of my resources on acquiring more right, more. I literally keep my account, my funds, down to like five bucks just to buy property or just to buy houses or just to buy whatever Right. And still, as the game progresses, people start coming to me for everything. I want you to hear where we're going with this. I believe that there is a monopoly on religion. I believe that there's a monopoly on spirituality. I believe that people or organizations, if you will, try to create this monopoly so that, in order for you to, so that in order for you to live and exist and move around the board of life, you got to come through me, you got to come through us, that kind of thing, right, and I think that as independent Scientologists, we kind of have a anti-monopoly kind of viewpoint, right, yeah, and I think that's really interesting, i't know that's where I came from.
Speaker 2:For it. Well, what I, what?
Speaker 2:I'm sorry no, go ahead, arthur, that's fine because I don't know about you guys, but most memories I have of playing the game monopoly is everybody goes in to win, and I don't know about you guys, but towards the end there's a lot of arguing that starts. There's a lot of arguing that starts occurring. There's a lot of emotions that start coming up just from this one bloody game. And I don't recall that many games that didn't end up with some kind of disgruntledness from someone or somebody trying to cheat. And it's funny that you've chosen Monopoly, because it's very much like us, isn't it? Very much so? Where all these natural emotions start to really emerge, people's survival instincts start to kick in. They'll cheat, they'll get angry, they'll toss the board, they'll do all those kinds of things. So go ahead, john.
Speaker 1:Well, I look at this from the viewpoint of flows and the first thing that pops into my head, when Quentin was talking and it's been I'm trying to listen and think at the same time. And um, ellen rate says what price freedom? What price freedom? And you, you have to ask yourself that and and I, I think I it was quite a while back, it might have been when I was doing podcasts with Jason you have to look at capitalism and the way capitalism works and you're charging somebody. You get an object, you get an item, you have a product and you either make it or you buy it and you put an additional amount on top of it and say, okay, this is how I make money, by buying something cheaper and selling it higher.
Speaker 1:The entire planet revolves around this aberration. Higher planet revolves around this aberration. And, it's been said, other civilizations that come here, the higher toned ones, because please disabuse yourself of the idea that just because they have faster than light travel, they're all good guys, it doesn't mean a goddamn thing, and so we're on our own here. So, to get back to this, how is it that you have any kind of a religion? And, of course, you're already put into the situation. How does the church, how does the church survive? We have people that say, well, shouldn't Scientology be free? You know what? Why do I have to pay for auditing, you know? And and I just, I don't even fall out of my chair anymore because there's, there has to be some sort of exchange. That goes on. That goes on there, and and and, of course you need to keep the lights on and everything, because we're all endemic to this thing, because you have to survive or you need money to keep the lights on.
Speaker 1:But the thing is is last night I had a student and I'm sure they're going to hear this podcast, I'm not going to use any names. I had a student that was asking me about their OT levels, how much it was going to cost, and they're on the solo course and everything. And when I told him the price of it, he said have I told you how much I love you? And that's the point. I said I'm not getting rich on doing this or anything like that. But the thing is is I need more OTs. So I need more OTs to put this organization here that are gonna and I understand that there is an inherent risk in that that just because I get somebody up on the OT levels doesn't mean that they're gonna stick with the organization and help the organization grow. That's just the chance I take. But the idea is that as you get a person up the OT levels, they're going to see and they're going to be more interested and they can't do this alone. And the same person said that they wanted to get trained as an auditor afterwards because they realized from what they'd been studying on the solo course that they needed this information and how much it's changed their life.
Speaker 1:So when you're talking about monopoly and you're looking at what independent Dianetics and Scientology offer you and you don't have some ferryman that's saying, well, I need you to pay for all of these other extraneous things, the IAS $10,000 for meters, all of this stuff that you have to have again. You have to have in order to do Scientology, in order to be an OT. That's really upside down and backwards. And in religion there's this monopoly that's created on this planet through capitalism that they want to get something out of you. They want to. I'm sorry, I'm just going to say it. This is my viewpoint. They want to own you and say you can't do this unless you pass, go the church with the meters, for example. The meters, the new Mark 8s, they check back through their router on there and if you're not in good standing they shut your meter off. So you just bought $10,000 worth of a doorstop if you don't do what they say. Now, if that's not monopoly, I don't know what is.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Quentin.
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, you know it's interesting because I consider myself a capitalist. I call myself a compassionate capitalist, right, I consider myself a compassionate capitalist and I look at everything from energetic flows as well. And how does a church survive? How does an organization survive? I actually don't look at it from the perspective of just keeping the lights on. I look at it as an endowment of theta. Lights on, I look at it as an endowment of theta. And what I do in my own work is I endow theta, I grant beingness, I put a person in a position where they themselves are capable of becoming all that they're capable of becoming.
Speaker 3:And the exchange, the, the energetic exchange which in layman terms, we call money, the energetic exchange, really is for that endowment of energy. It's not even for my time. It's not for my time, it's not for my lights, because I live in southeast asia, my lights are cheap. You know what I mean. So it's not about any of that. It's actually the endowment of Theta that I then say now, in order for me to be more, more capable I don't know if that's the right word More willing. I use the word more willing to endow you and others with more theta. This is the exchange that I set.
Speaker 3:So, you know, when you just started talking about organization and flows and stuff like that, I was like, okay, that makes sense, I get that. So there's this monopoly of religion and whether it be Catholicism or you know, or mainstream fundamentalists or non-denominational Christianity, whatever, whatever, there's this monopoly of religion and all of them, all of them seem to require there be an energetic exchange. We call money exchange, we call money. And I then look at this thing and I say, okay, thomas Jefferson said it this way. He said empty your wallet to fill your mind and your mind will fill your wallet. And I look at for me, this is just for me. Now I look at Scientology like that Empty your wallet to fill your mind and your mind will fill your wallet.
Speaker 3:And it has been absolutely true for me right where, when, when, when I didn't even have what I needed to, you know, do the thing with you, jonathan, and and and go up the bridge and pay and my entire bridge. I didn't really have it. But by deciding and going with that for me, that axiom, in my opinion, empty your wallet to fill your mind and your mind will fill your wallet. It works. If you work, it Okay.
Speaker 3:And so when I think about this from a monopoly perspective and you just self-art just said it is how we play the game and I, I zero out my little, my little paper money, and monopoly, I zero it out. I'm down to five dollars and if I hit, if I hit on somebody else's property, I'm like dang you know what, let me go ahead and mortgage this one, let me go ahead and mortgage that. When I flip it over and I pay their people off and I keep on going and get some more money, get some more, get some more property. And that's how I've, that's how I always win. I empty my wallet to fill my mind and my mind fills my wallet.
Speaker 1:Arthur, you want to go or you want me to. You look like something's forming.
Speaker 2:You want to go or you want me to you look like something's forming, because I think Monopoly is a really good analogy on these games that we do live. So I think that's a great topic to choose, because it is a game and it's a game of wit as well, and what's interesting is with that particular game is how relevant it actually is. So I'm going to pose a little different question in the sense of okay, so we have this game that teaches us how to play games in this life, and if we apply that to religion, then sure you know which. Which monopoly, which version of monopoly, are you going to buy? Are you going to buy the star wars one? Are you going to buy the christian one? Are you going to buy the muslimopoly are you going to buy?
Speaker 2:Are you going to buy the Star Wars one? Are you going to buy the Christian one? Are you going to buy the Muslim one? Are you going to buy the Scientology one? Which Monopoly board are you going to purchase to start with? And so you've got a choice there to make. But what?
Speaker 2:I find interesting about the whole thing. And what I find interesting about the whole thing is, like it or not, it's a game you kind of have to play and, like we're already, as kids, we're already being taught this is how to play the game, which means it makes it very difficult to choose a different game. So you walk up to the toy store and you've got a wall of different versions of Monopoly sets, but there's no other games in the store, it's just Monopoly. And so which one are you going to purchase? And you might buy the Star Wars one and think you know what I don't like the Star Wars one. I'm going to buy the Star Trek one, but you've already invested in the Star Wars one. To buy the Star Trek one, but you've already invested in the Star Wars one. Now you're going to jump shit to the Star Trek one. You have to start the game again.
Speaker 3:It's pretty interesting.
Speaker 2:There's so many ways you can look at this. Yeah, there's so many ways you can look at this, but the trick is you still have to learn how to play the game. And, what's interesting, depending on which board you choose, the rules are still exactly the same yeah, all you have is is different experiences you're right, this is really good. You have different experiences different colors go around different. Different colors different little.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's right, but, and maybe even different denominations or different costs for boardwalk or or, or, or coruscant, or whatever the name of the the planet is that you land on, or whatever. Yeah, but it's different. Different, uh, denominations, but it's the same flow, it's the same. You go around this way, you keep going, you know you can look hard and say, go back to go, oh, I gotta go, gotta go back to go. Why can't, why can't I beat this one?
Speaker 2:you know that's right and it's funny, because it's just a shifting of letters, colors and ideas, but the game is exactly the same. It's exactly the same, doesn't matter what color it is, it doesn't matter what go is, whether they call it go shoot, fly um endeavor, it doesn't matter. You still start from the same square and you end up back at the same square. But that journey from go back to go is different every single time, because every time you roll those dice you're going to land somewhere new, somewhere else. Yeah, be a trap, it could be a benefit. You know how you're going to handle it. I love it it.
Speaker 3:You know, I think about my past, other boards that I've played on the Jehovah's Witness board or the metaphysics board or the magic board or whatever. I think about all the boards that I've played on and I can honestly remember, based on what you're saying now. I can honestly remember going all out when I was a Jehovah's Witness. I could knock a door down, I could, saturday morning, you go meet me, I was in it, boy, and so it was just. That's just how I play the game, man. It's how I play the game and I really, really love that seeing life as a game and even seeing our spiritual journey as a game and something that we can enjoy, even though sometimes it can be hard, even though sometimes I don't know if I got enough money to hit. If I hit, oh. If I land on something else, it's going to be another. I don't know if I got enough money to hit. If I hit, oh, if I land on something else, it's going to be another, oh gosh.
Speaker 3:You know, and you're going through all that mental anguish, but it's really teaching you something about how you view money, about how you view you know, how you view the rules of engagement, how you view other players If you don't get along with other people along the way. You know, one thing about being an independent Scientologist that I've noticed is that I would like for there to be more community within the independent Scientology field. I would like for us all to play the game in community and not feel like, oh, if you step on my property then we have a problem here, that kind of thing. I would like there to be more, and I think ALGP is poised to be that unifier is poised to be the thing that says, hey, listen, no, no, no, we all can participate, we all can show up, we all can be a part of this, and that's what?
Speaker 2:uh, that's why I think we have the anti-trust, the anti-monopoly viewpoint in playing this game yeah, but imagine, right, imagine if you could start learning the ability to start controlling what numbers the dices will roll. What does the game, what does the game look like then? These are not the toys you're looking for exactly, exactly everybody listeners.
Speaker 1:The listeners have been like jonathan's, been unusually quiet all right, all right, john, hit us with it well, preach john lrh says the work was free.
Speaker 1:Keep it so. Okay, he spent his own money to do all the research based off of books that he sold and everything like that. And, uh, at the end of it all, supposedly I can't confirm or deny this, but he had like 400 million when he dropped the body and that was stolen from him and his family, his wife, his children and everything by David Miscavige and company and the Sherman Lenskys and all that stuff. So you know, it's true you can't take it with you, but the point of the reason why I'm bringing this up is you can make investments in the physical universe and everybody needs to survive because we're all in this game, whether we want to be or not. You can't just go take food, you can barter. I mean, especially in Southeast Asia. I got a chicken, can I have some? Well, I know what's coconuts, let's just say, cause coconuts are prevalent, you know where you're at and you, you can barter with farmers and things like that and you don't don't need money, but that doesn't keep the electricity on, unless the electricity company wants chickens or coconuts. But the point is, if you're doing something in the direction of theta, okay, money will follow, it will follow you. Okay, Money is a side effect Amen, brother, a side effect of what you are, who you are and what you're doing. And if you feel and this, just God, this is gonna just sound so hokey to people but if you're really doing what your calling is, if you're really doing what you should be doing, the money definitely follows. Like we've been bringing up Star Wars a lot, in episode one, qui-gon Jinn says to a young Obi-Wan Kenobi a solution will present itself. I just got goosebumps just saying that, yes, because it isn't something that I just got from a movie and I threw it out on a podcast. It is something I see every goddamn day, every goddamn day. And we've talked about confirmation, bias and postulates and how do you know that this is going to do that and da-da-da-da-da. And trust the process. Yeah, you have to. You have to trust the process and the only way you're going to know about that is if you invest in a certain quote-unquote property, but that property is theta. If you flow power to things that flow you power. Okay, in this case, it could be yourself, it could be AOGP, it could be independent Scientology and doing something for somebody else and introducing them to it and making their life better. Money will follow Survival. Let's just say, let's just take money out of the equation. Survival will follow to the degree that you are promoting survival across the dynamics. It's that simple.
Speaker 1:I struggled for two and a half decades doing another business because I didn't have any other solution. It was the original solution when I was 18 years old and then I joined staff and then I got back into it in 1993 and I did it for two and a half decades and I struggled and I struggled and I struggled. I wasted my youth on a constant danger condition, from one day to the next one year to the next one month, whatever. And then I started my OT levels after my mom died and I thought I got to do this now because my mom was pretty young when she died and I looked at it and thought I'm not interested in doing any kind of life continuum thing here or anything like that, because I'd just seen her do that with her father, who had passed away six months earlier. She checked out. So I invested. I didn't invest in myself, I invested in data, because what you're doing when you go up the bridge and you're playing this game Monopoly when you go up the bridge.
Speaker 1:I didn't my OT7 success story. I said I didn't really care for people that much before I finished OT7. I didn't like it. That's why I did what I did for two and a half years and I paid a really high price in the longevity of the body and wasting all this time.
Speaker 1:Whatever you wanna say, but I mean, the thing that I learned from it is that wasn't the way for me and it wasn't where my heart was, where my interests were. My interest was in helping people, but I had to help myself and then I realized I have to be helping other people. This is my calling, and that has to do with investing in a property that is not tangible. It's investing in theta. And when you do that for yourself and for other people, you're playing an entirely different game of monopoly than buying a piece of real estate, flipping it and so on. That's great. You can have all the money in the world. But are you really happy? Happiness is if your ethics are in.
Speaker 1:So what kind of game, what kind of monopoly game do religions play? You see these people who and I'm not downing any religion and they say that they're happy and they believe in this God or that God or whatever, and they go to church on Sunday and all of that stuff. But if you look at what we get from what we do, it's a completely different thing. Now, maybe I'm biased, but what I have and what I see and how I can help people, and everything, nothing compares in this game of monopoly. Nothing compares. It's exciting to me when somebody finishes an auditing level. It's exciting to me when somebody gets to be clear. It's exciting to me and it's not a question of pride, it's a. I just changed this being's life forever Forever. And that's to me that's more than all of the gold in Fort Knox or anything else like that, because as I do that, I see that a difference has been made, not that I did the difference. A difference has been made for that person and now they can carry the torch and they can do the same thing. To me, that's the game of monopoly.
Speaker 1:That's important is realizing that there's an awful lot here that you don't know about. That's right in front of you and all you have to do is reach, do and complete and put one foot fate and foot in front of the other and get there and you're going to see things are entirely different than what you thought they were. You don't know what's there. So that's what I have to say about that. I can't convey it in words because it isn't something that you can put in the physical universe and go that, because it's not matter energy, space and time. It is something completely different, and to explain it to people there's just no way to do it. You have to get there first, and that's it's so profound I.
Speaker 3:I just I don't know how to say it well, you know, I what I like about, um, this viewpoint right, is that in the game of Monopoly, you do start off with an endowment of like 1500 Monopoly books, or whatever they call them. Now, you do start off with an endowment and I think that if we look at this similarly, each of us we have an endowment. We have our own endowment of energy, we have our endowment of theta. Wherever you are, wherever you're working with, you have your endowment as you make your moves, as you make your choices, listen to the words, as you make your decisions on what to do and where to put your endowment, put your energy, put your funds, put your attention, so forth and so on. I'm preaching to myself because Jonathan asked me at the beginning of the podcast, before we came on. He was like are you going to be able to work on your course while you're traveling, on my solo course while you're traveling? And I was like, yeah, and it's like, as we make our moves around the board of life, where are we putting our attention? What choices are we making? What are we prioritizing? You could prioritize Netflix. You could prioritize the barbecue that you're going to have on Saturday. You could prioritize whatever, you, whatever, and this whole idea that those things that we make so important to us, right?
Speaker 3:You know, we used to have Christmas. When my son was young, we used to have Christmas and then, when he turned 13, I said no more Christmas gifts. Instead of Christmas gifts, you get Christmas trips. I said so every winter break. Instead of you giving me a list of stuff you want, give me a list of countries, and we're going to see what we can do to make it work. And I did that because I wanted him to get out of this. You know, you know he's a teenager and teenagers like stuff, you know, like new games and new shoes and new whatever. But I wanted him to get out of that whole modality of just getting more stuff and I wanted him to gain experiences. I wanted him to gain culture. You know what I mean. I wanted him to gain something different.
Speaker 3:And so we started in our household, we started prioritizing travel versus prioritizing materialism, and I only make that point to say that you have an endowment of attention. You have an endowment of energy. You have an endowment of time. You have an endowment whatever you're working with of energy. You have endowment of time. You have an endowment whatever you're working with and you get to choose how you use it. And with this conversation that we're having right now with you, do you want to use this endowment of energy towards something that's going to change everything, that you really can win this game and I win when I bleed all the time. Okay, who played me? I beat you Period.
Speaker 2:And because I'm willing, right and it's because I'm willing to go for broke.
Speaker 3:I'm willing to go for it. I'm willing to put my all into it in order to come out with the most at the end of the game.
Speaker 1:That's just me. Yeah, yeah, and, and, and. If I may, maybe so to enter in a private viewpoint, one of the one of the things I've seen seen with with Quentin since he finished his L11 and he attested to clear and I've run into this problem with other people is they feel so rejuvenated and L11 has to do with doing this that they want to go out and they want to play that game. They want to go out and play the game because they, they, they have this newfound, they, they got some sort of a, a booster engine and strapped it to their ass and they can go out and they can do all of these things and go out and play the game of life. Yeah, yeah, and, and, and, to infinity and beyond. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and, and that, and that's the liability of a technology just doing that one thing. That one thing is I'm playing all these games and I can go out and do this and I can do that and everything, and it almost becomes a distraction. It almost becomes a distraction because it's like you got Harry Potter's wand and say something in Latin and you point your wand and there it is and that's you know. That's great, that it provides that, but again, like Quentin was saying, you have to. You have to prioritize what it is that you're doing and not get too sidetracked by all of the amazing things that you can do in life, because that's I mean, you've barely gotten started, even though that's one, probably one of the biggest things that a person has experienced. So you have to decide where you're going to go on the monopoly board next and how much you're going to invest in something. That's what prioritization is about is what's the most important thing. And yes, it's difficult when you have these abilities, but you have to put that energy and that create those postulates into an area that gets you even further, because you ain't seen nothing yet, you really haven't, and it's hard to describe in words.
Speaker 1:Quentin, can you describe what it is that you've gotten? And this isn't an advertisement for AOGP services. I don't give a shit where you do your services. I do in the fact that if you do your services, you need to do your due diligence and you need to find out what it is that this person is doing, whether they're qualified to do it, have they gotten products, do they have a track record and all of this stuff? We get tons of people that want us to fix them, from other people that they've received auditing, and we hear really gross stuff and I don't mean gross as in visceral type thing, but really out tech things. I don't care where you do it, as long as you get it done right. And it's hard to know what you're getting when you're the pc and you don't know how to audit. That's why we do these podcasts and we're trying to educate people and everything. So I just want to give that as a preamble.
Speaker 1:But back to quentin. This isn't an ad. Yeah, what, what, what have you experienced? What? What you know with, with l11?
Speaker 3:it's interesting because I think Art really hit on it when he said and y'all didn't catch it, so I'm going to say it again Art said what happens when you can control the dice. Right, I hear this. I found in my, the gains and the wins that I've experienced after L11, after going clear and so forth and so on, what I've, and even even just in my solo course and even in the stuff that that Jonathan has shared with me just in tech, because sometimes Jonathan I just like Jonathan has conversations with me and he'll just share some tech and I'm like why haven't I seen this before? Why haven't I read this before? Oh, my goodness, right. So let me just say it this way Art hit it on when he said when you can control the dice of the game, where it feels like it's just randomity. It feels like there's a randomness to life and sometimes you win, sometimes you lose and and it's all. Look of the draw and the cards you were dealt. And art said it when he said what happens when you can control the dice? And what I'm finding is my ability to play the game more fully, full out, but my ability also to control how it lands, what I land on. If I want to land on boardwalk, I'm going to land on boardwalk. If I want to land on the railroad, I'm going to hit the railroad. And it feels so good this is why I always win, by the way. It feels so good. It feels so good to be able to put the stack, the deck, in your favor, if you will. It feels so good to be able to get certain things going. I'll give you this one quick anecdote. Now, move on, um, and we can go something else.
Speaker 3:But in playing the game, one of the cards I hate to get is that card that says uh, there's repairs are necessary for all your properties, so you got to pay 45 per house and 100 per hotel or whatever that little thing is. You know that ugly car, the ugly car, yeah, and I always get this. I always postulate that I'm gonna get that card before I get any properties. This is true, and so as I'm rolling it, I hit it and I said there it is. And then I start acquiring some shit. I get it up. I start once I get that card out of the way. I get it up Because I don't want to hit that card when it's time. So I'm just saying to say, when you can stack the deck in your favor, when you can control the dice, you don't hit that randomness in your life. Stuff don't just happen to you. Now, don't get me wrong. Stuff does come up, but it's not out of pocket.
Speaker 3:I'll give you a quick example. I got hit with a tax bill that I wasn't expecting and it was for a moment. It was what the for a moment. And then I was like, oh well, I guess that makes sense. And then what's that? What's that? Really calculated everything in my head real quick. I did the figures. Oh, okay, well, yeah, I got to pay that and that was the whole upset. It was the whole thing and it was a. It was a sizable tax bill, but it was the whole thing. And it was a sizable tax bill. But the whole upset lasted that long.
Speaker 1:Which would have been different before.
Speaker 3:Oh, absolutely, what would I do? How would I live? How could I possibly do this? Oh my God, what are they going to do? Are they going to come after me? Are they going to audit me? Are they going to suspend my passport? Am I going to be dead? I would have went into a tailspin, into an absolute tailspin. And how many people do? How many people do that? Right, they go into an absolute tailspin when hit with unforeseen circumstances and stuff like that. How many people go into an absolute tailspin? But when you have the tech and when you know that you kind of you actually do control the dice, okay, all right. Well, that makes sense, let's do it yeah, and you know what it's interesting out of everything.
Speaker 2:Sorry, john no out of everything you just said, there was one word that kept popping up. What was that word? Quinton you? What when? Control, okay, yes, control. Isn't that what we're learning? How to control us, how to control ourselves, how to control our beings, how to control our life, how to control our decisions, how to control our choices, how to control our opportunities
Speaker 1:yeah, and that comes down to what they and gets what they postulate. So you go from you, you got what you got. You get on, you get going up the bridge and everything. And you start seeing that and when I say got, I'm not, I'm not just talking about physical universe. You know this. You know I want to go up the bridge so I can make a lot of money.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's the wrong angle, the wrong attitude. And when I say attitude, I'm talking about more from a sense of flight, from getting from point A to point B. That's not it. That's not it. You have to do it from the viewpoint of doing and this is going to sound so new agey, I'm sorry, but you have to do the work, the personal work of it. You have to go. I want to improve and fix the things that need to be fixed in me so that everything else falls in line, everything falls in line. If you do that, if you do that, I have PCs who want to control every aspect of everything. That it is that I do for them, okay, which is wild, wild to me, okay. And and they, they, they, they don't want to confront what they don't want to confront, and they'll drop out for a couple of months and then they'll come back and they'll drop out for a couple of months and and and it has to be on their terms Are they getting anywhere? No, no, because auditing and LRH says at some point you have to audit out the auditing that you've received because it's other determined. But it has to be, because if you knew what was wrong with you, it wouldn't be wrong with you. And this is where trust, the process, comes in.
Speaker 1:As far as monopoly is, what are you prioritizing? What are you investing in? You're not investing money. You're investing energy that you've created. That looks like it's money, but it's more your time, it's more your priority of this is what I have to do, and I mean I invest an awful lot of energy in holding AOGP where it's at. There isn't anybody else out in the field, I mean in the ways that we're doing it. There isn't anybody else on this planet that is doing what we're doing in the projects that we have in the works and all of that. And I could take that money and I could, you know, do anything I wanted with it other than what it is that I'm doing. But and you know it's not horribly expensive but I mean it costs to have servers and it costs to buy software to put on the servers and it costs to build an infrastructure that teaches people how to do things properly in Scientology, without all this heavy handed ethics, suppression, new world order bullshit that the corporate churches has become part of that game of monopoly. That's a different game of monopoly. Like you were saying, star Trek, star Wars, you know this is a different game.
Speaker 1:And if you look at what you're prioritizing, it's a priority for me to keep the college going. It's a priority for me to keep the website up. It's a priority for me to take my money and put it into these things, because if it isn't there, it isn't there. I mean, I hope our listeners get that If you don't put it there, it's not there. I don't know how else I can say this.
Speaker 1:What kind of monopoly are you playing? If you're getting the new car and the new house or whatever and you're investing in all this physical universe stuff, you're not going to take it with you. But if you invest your attention more than anything, that which you put your attention on is what you get. Put your attention on playing a game of monopoly, of helping other people and helping yourself and understanding this information. It is so life-changing as a being, not just in the physical universe. If you approach it from the being standpoint, it will change things fundamentally. I myself have gotten back into session every day, every day, after 11 years of not going in solo session regularly. In less than a week, in less than a week, in less than a week, things have have changed fundamentally and spiritually for me just by doing these things. I'm not I mean, I'm not even I'm just doing the cleanup. I'm just doing cleanup on things that had never been addressed before. So you have to be able to invest in the spirituality of trusting the process. And what are you waiting for?
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, you know, you know it's. It's so interesting how you just frame it and I and I really believe you have a, a preaching anointing. I don't know how you just frame it and I really believe you have a preaching anointing. I don't know how else to say it, because you say stuff that really hits the spirit of the matter Spirituality in and of itself.
Speaker 3:Spirituality requires an element of surrender. Spirituality requires an element of surrender and I think you said it earlier about how there's many PCs that might want to control everything you do with them and they want to nitpick this apart and whatever, whatever. And every time you come at me and talk to me about getting on course and stuff like that, I just say, yes, sir, OK, you're right, I got to do it and I do have to, and because I have so many, I'm playing such a big game. It say it in the spiritual communities sit under a leader or sit under someone whom you trust to help you and guide you and walk with you to the top of the mountain, right Across the bridge, whatever, up the bridge, somebody who's going to sit with you and walk with you and help you and guide you, and whatever. There's an element of surrender to it.
Speaker 3:And so I say all this to say is that when you're talking about spirituality, the first thing you're talking about is surrender. The first thing you're talking about is saying I couldn't fix this myself, so I'm going to allow the technology and someone who is skilled at the technology that's all it is. There's no guru that's going to do that, it's just a technology and somebody who knows how to use the technology. There's no different than you not knowing how to do a Photoshop thing and you go to somebody and do the Photoshop. I don't know how to do it, so let me go to somebody who knows how to do it. Oh, this is a nice picture. I like that. That's the result. So being able to surrender and say I don't know what the next step is, I don't know what to do now. Can you help me? And then we would say we'll start with the personality test. Let's look at your OCA, let's look at where you are and let's see what's recommended. Let's see if.
Speaker 3:I'm getting you into a life.
Speaker 1:If we can and I want to make that point if we can. Sometimes you use a personality test. You do a personality test and the only thing you get out of the personality test is it's telling you there's something going on here and the personality test isn't accurate. And then we've got work to do before we can even do the personality test. I've run into that lately.
Speaker 3:Yeah, wherever the start is.
Speaker 1:Right and you have to trust the process. But the thing is, you have to surrender to the fact that, look, we're trying to do this right, we're trying to do this correctly and we can't bend the rules for any particular person just because they want to have information that's incorrect. That tells me that there's something there going on, and we talked about ethics, tech and admin in an earlier podcast last week is ethics is a personal thing, but you have to look at, okay, why am I demanding this? Why am I needing this? Why am I telling this to my auditor? That sort of a thing you have to surrender at some point and trust the process there, and that's part of playing Monopoly as well.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I did a teaching some years ago, and it was called the Art of being a Master Student. The Art of being a Master Student, the Art of being a Master Student, and in order for you to become a master teacher, in order for you to become a spiritual master, whatever that mastery looks like for you, here we call it operating Thetan. But in order for you to hit certain heights, you must first be a master student before you can become a master, and so this is something I'm working on preaching to myself. Let me get on course, charles.
Speaker 1:I wasn't going to say anything, but yeah, you get it.
Speaker 3:You ain't going to tell me. You ain't going to tell me, but yeah, so being a master student is really key and what I'm loving about this opportunity and I've done many others but what I love about this opportunity is I can do it from the comfort of my home office. I can go in, I can log into the college, I can tap into what I need to tap into, I can get the gains that I get. I get it right less than 10 feet away from me and I can go in get it and get what I need and continue my progress in that moment. And it serves me well to be able to do it that way.
Speaker 3:When before it would require me going to Bali or it would require me doing some other stuff, or whatever my journey was at the time, it would require me every Saturday going out and knocking on doors. It will require me doing so much. And now I get to do this thing with a level of ease that I appreciate. I really do appreciate it as it relates to ALGPNU, jonathan. I do appreciate that level of ease that it affords me. So you know, this has been my experience and I just think that level of ease that it affords me. So this has been my experience and I just think that we have come to a place where spirituality, or should I say religion, has taken this monopoly. Monopolistic is monopolistic a word, a monopoly kind of viewpoint where it's like we got all the answers, we're all or nothing whatever, and all I say is come see what this is about and come see if this helps you become more able and helps you become more you, and that's the clarion call for me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and in that again LRH says that somebody lower on the bridge has no idea the gains that are possible on the upper end of the bridge. Because it's almost unconscionable, because it isn't something that's readily conceived and it's an entirely different type of monopoly. Wouldn't you like to have a monopoly on your ability to postulate, be aware, manifest, whatever it is? And I lean towards in that direction. So Quentin has to take off. So we're going to close this one out. He says goodbye, he's got another session he has to do.
Speaker 3:I'm here for it, okay.
Speaker 1:We're going to wrap this up and just say why not have a monopoly on you instead of a monopoly having you?
Speaker 3:That's so good Instead of a monopoly having you. That's so good Instead of a monopoly having you.
Speaker 2:Buy a board that you like. That's right.
Speaker 1:Buy a board that you want to play, make your own board and then have a monopoly on you, because anything and everything that happens to you, you cause Good, bad or indifferent and you can really do this and it doesn't take very long at all. You just have to put your head down and you need to start running up the bridge and get going. Every little step matters and it makes a difference. More case gain, and more case gain and it exponentially increases and you're there and now you can create your own monopoly board. You can create your own rules, because you understand how the physical universe works with the theta universe. And that's the most important thing and again, I need more OTs standing next to me and the things that we're going to be able to achieve just in this year Upcoming, and the things that we're going to be able to achieve just in this year Upcoming. And I appreciate that and and and and, and Arthur is too.
Speaker 1:But it doesn't take a long time. Disagree that it has to take a long time. It doesn't. You can be OT in less than two years. You can be clear in less than six months. Yes, that's the truth. You know. Start, start playing the game of Monopoly that you want to play and don't let the game play you Awesome. So for Quentin and Arthur, we hope you got something out of this podcast, and it is a bit abstract, but it's only abstract because it's something you haven't approached yet and you haven't seen. But, trust me, lrh gave us some absolutely unbelievably incredible gifts and they're there and we're trying to just get those out to people the way he intended, and we're here to help you and we'd really appreciate your help if you got yourself up the bridge. We love you, namaste. Bye-bye.
Speaker 2:Peace, bye-bye Peace, thank you, thank you.