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Scientology Outside of the Church Podcast
SE10EP19 - Force and Velocity - Current Events on Planet Earth
What if the media is controlling how you think about the world? Join us for a fascinating conversation with Arthur Moudakis and Quenton Stroud as we journey through the complex maze of current events, conspiracy theories, and political upheaval from an independent Scientologist's point of view. We dig deep into the transformations in the United States' financial systems under the new administration, particularly those involving the U.S. Treasury and international real estate in Gaza. With charismatic figures like Bob Hawke and Donald Trump on the radar, we unpack how their media portrayal influences public perception and even divides communities, including those in the independent Scientology movement.
As we forge ahead, we touch on the intersection of history and speculation, drawing connections between the Trump family and Nikola Tesla's hidden technologies. Are platforms like TikTok manipulating what we see and think? This episode doesn't shy away from exploring the risks faced by inventors of groundbreaking innovations and the unique position of Elon Musk in the digital landscape. By looking at the rapid pace of technological and societal changes, we emphasize the need for vigilance and readiness as the world shifts beneath our feet.
Finally, we tackle the thorny topics of government surveillance, cryptocurrency, and societal control. What does a cashless society mean for our personal freedom and privacy? Through an insightful dialogue on Civilization-like strategies and real-world consequences, we address the socio-economic dangers and shifts, from the COVID-19 work-life balance disruption to potential changes in social security. By reflecting on the teachings of historical figures, we consider the power of awareness and the ability to see through deception in our interconnected lives.
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Hi and welcome to another Scientology Outside of the Church podcast. I'm here with Arthur Mudakis. Quentin is traveling and has the day off this podcast again, just like the last one. We started talking about things and I said, okay, let's hit record and let's see where this goes. So working title on this one we don't know what it's going to be. This is going to be walking down the yellow brick road and seeing what happens when we make that journey, whether there's an emerald city or something else at the end of the yellow brick road. So we were talking about current events in the United States from an independent Scientologist's point of view. We don't do this very often and it will be dated, obviously, as time goes on and we do more podcasts.
Speaker 1:This is February the 5th, 2025, 10.20 am, south Africa time. And what is it? 4.20 there, 7.20 pm, 7.20, excuse me, this side of the world, that's right. That's right. 7.20 pm on the east coast of Australia-ish. So a lot has happened. We're going to get into the LRH perspective on economics, production, et cetera. I think that's where this is gonna head, but we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1:So we're currently looking at a slow dismantling of the current US financial infrastructure with this new administration and I'd like to make a point in this podcast that neither of us are what you would call political by any stretch of the imagination. So if you're pro-Trump, if you're not pro-Trump, this is the podcast for you, because this is just looking at it from a big picture, it's not from a political slant or anything like that. Just looking at it from a big picture. It's not from a political slant or anything like that. So here we are looking at almost a month since things have changed in the United States. We have a South African expatriate taking apart the US Treasury Department through computers and computing, shutting down aid.
Speaker 1:We have the current president saying that they're going to raise Gaza, move everybody out of their homes after expelling them, basically, and turning Gaza into another prime real estate territory where they're going to turn it into a developer's dream. Did I actually say that? I'm just so? So you and and this was this was done with the Palestinian prime minister on stage with him at the same time. So you have to ask yourself was this sure? Has a? It sure smacks of? It was all planned, that's. That's hard to confront, and where are these people going to go?
Speaker 2:and and it's kind of tricky as well, because you don't know how long these things have actually been planned for um, because I came across a documentary, a document that a friend of mine had sent me, and I looked at it the other day. It was 2017. And it was talking about what's coming up as far as like the new world order agenda that was created Don't quote me on this, but I'm pretty sure it was around the 40s, so this thing has been in burning in the background ever since then, and it was interesting because america and australia were big players in, according to this document, and that included a one world income. That included a no banking system. That also included the separation of families, so bringing tactics in to break up families. There was another part of it around localizing farming. There was a. There was another part of it around localizing farming, so, so farming was just would be done in one part of the world as opposed to multiple parts of the world, so all the farming would come from one place.
Speaker 2:Um, a whole heap of stuff, and for us here in australia, a lot of things were organized back in bob Hawke's time that nobody really recognises, and I don't know if you guys are familiar with Bob Hawke, but Bob Hawke was like one of Australia's most famous prime ministers, you know, he really enjoyed a beer, he enjoyed a good joke, he was a very public figure and people loved him. But he also signed off on a lot of these things towards a one-world organization and a lot of people don't know that, which I find really interesting. But they love him for who he was. And so how many of these things, how many things like that do we see you know what I mean where one of these characters presents themselves in such a fashion that they're a lovable character, but then there are things they're doing.
Speaker 2:And then you got someone like trump, who's you know very unlovable and unloved by so many. Because here in the media in australia, every time you know trump's mentioned on on the radio, they just potty mouth him. But like there's already a, you know and this is on community radio, you know what I mean they're already expressing their ideas around this man and making it public. So so of course, so many people will hear that and automatically hate the man. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah well it's a cult of personality type of a thing, even with Bob and with Trump. One of the interesting things. I wanted to make a note of this and I've never said anything about this. I don't think I've ever said anything about this in the podcast. Make a note of this and I've never said anything about this. I don't think I've ever said anything about this in the podcast.
Speaker 1:Trump is a very divisive by definition. Divisive divide is the root word for divisive. He's a very divisive personality and back in 2015, for example, the Facebook groups where most of the independent Scientology community was was a lot more vibrant from 2010 to about 2013 and a half 2014,. Until the Marty Rathbun thing took place, and it's been one of those things where there's always these new personalities or at least there was. There hasn't been anything in quite some time, but there's a reason for that and I want to take a side rail here real quick.
Speaker 1:When Trump started running for office for his first term, it such a divisive thing that you had Scientologists independent Scientologists who you either. They either loved him or they hated him, and there were more that loved him and I. There were even people that were saying and I couldn't believe it when I saw this, because all they had to do is check birthdates and stuff like that. But you know, and then you can get off into. You know how it could have happened anyway. But you know is Trump LRH. Lrh died in 86. Trump was already around, oh, and Quinton might be able to make it in 30 minutes.
Speaker 1:So we can have him jump on here. So what happened to these independent Scientology groups on Facebook? Originally, there were earlier iterations before Facebook, but what happened is when Marty Rathbun came around and he used to be he was was the inspector general for ethics and I've talked about him before in other podcasts. He came out and he started offering services and trying to shoot down Miscavige and all this stuff, and then lawsuits happened. He started coming up with his own auditing processes. I went down to see him. I found out what he was really like. He was on the phone with Mike Rinder. Mike Rinder was saying yes, sir, no sir, right away sir. This was in the winter of 2010. And he showed his true colors to me and I got the hell out of there and was even filmed for the Today Show part two with a two-part interview with Mike Rinder's wife, and they never aired the second part and Marty held me responsible for that because they interviewed me on camera.
Speaker 1:But Marty was one of the guys that started to divide the field. That was the first division. Then you had Trump, who was the bigger division, and so you individualize and you fractionalize and you marginalize people and you have all this vitriol going on and there's no ARC, and so it subdivides and it subdivides. And then, and then LRH 2.0 came on the scene and that subdivided it again. And now the group, almost all of the groups, they're just dead. They're just dead.
Speaker 1:And it's clear it was an operation Maybe not the Trump thing, but it's clear that it was an operation that there's just nothing but flakes in all of these groups for the most part, and you have a lot of lurkers who don't say anything because they don't want to get embroiled in any arguments and stuff like that. So, uh, that same tactic is what you see happening globally. You have that. You see that same thing with the lgbt community. The race community got all these subdivisions that have been created, and now it's here we are, he's in office again and we're seeing even more subdivisions happen and it's bigger and darker than ever. So that's what I see happening.
Speaker 2:What do you that's? It's a hard one because, like we were saying just before, we hit record. Well, as I was saying, it's like there's there's a massive amount of trust moving forward, because it'll either be a really good thing or it'll be a really bad thing, and it doesn't matter which side of the fence you're on. We don't know until we'll have no idea. Um no, and like, even just looking at um sorry, john, and even just looking at um, some of the executive orders that trump has already signed over the last what? Not even two weeks, yet three weeks, three weeks, national border emergencies, the whole only two gender thing.
Speaker 2:So abolishing the whole agenda thing, end to automatic citizenship, withdrawing from the Paris Climate Agreement, the restoration of free speech, no more work from home, renaming the Gulf of Mexico and keeping TikTok online, and they're very interesting things. So this is where it becomes tricky because, depending on your own personal perspective towards what you believe is acceptable and unacceptable, that's where you're going to start getting grievances around some of these changes Like so the LGBT, you know, aren't going to like the whole only two gender aspect at all, and that's a big population of people. And for so long that's been quite a yeah, and that's been quite a topic for I don't know what the last 15, 20 years. It's taken that long to build up to, to what it is now. And then, all of a sudden, this man comes along. He's like no, you know, there's no longer an alphabet, it's just two genders, right what did you see?
Speaker 1:was it yesterday or the day before he's he's? He signed an executive order that all churches are now businesses and they no longer have tax-exempt status, which affects the church of scientology as well that's really interesting I can see a lot of businesses moving to other countries, taking their business from america and then setting up shock elsewhere, right right, these mega churches having big, huge zoom meetings or something like that, you know, and then their server is based in iceland.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, to fair, a lot of businesses are already like that to some degree, whether it's through Asian countries, whether it's through India or I don't know how it is over where you are. But here you call up a local service and you're talking to someone from India Yep, yeah, just the way it's set up. Someone from India, yep, yeah.
Speaker 1:Any of the services we use for the org. All of their customer support is out of India or Pakistan.
Speaker 2:Yep, yep, which is interesting as well. So then, if you kind of look at, like I don't know what is Trump devising, like what is the future plan? Is it the new world order? Is it a one world economy? Is it going to be a tyranny, or is it going to be something that actually is favorable for the human species?
Speaker 1:Well, I'm going to pose a controversial statement in saying okay, so when a president goes into office, the first thing they do, the first thing they do is they dismantle all of the things that the outgoing president did that they don't agree with. Yeah, so, unless they get a second term and they can keep it going and get something done rapidly, I mean, and he only has one term, this is his last term. Now, that is a thing that is being put out there, that he may, and again, this is not. He is not. He might stay in. He might devise a way to stay in because, this is less than a century that.
Speaker 1:This rule is that you can only have two terms. So with the Republicans controlling the House and controlling the Senate now, they don't have a huge lead, but money talks. Money talks to these guys that are Democrats. New people get employed all the time Right, sex scandals, you know, whatever People have, car accidents. You know Right, you know, you know.
Speaker 2:Engine failure in an airplane.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, your plane goes down in the Potomac, yeah.
Speaker 2:An infected scratch.
Speaker 1:Right, right, I mean, you know, as the mafia guys say, you know it's a dangerous world here. Something could happen to you. That's a distinct possibility.
Speaker 2:That's a distinct possibility. Yes, one thing that's always intrigued me about Donald Trump is have you heard the story? And I don't know. This is the thing, right? We don't actually know what's real and what's not real. And this is what makes it hard, right, because I heard a story a while ago where Nikola Tesla died a while ago, where, um, when nikola tesla died, um, it was donald trump's either uncle or grandfather. That was one of the people that collected, that emptied out um, nikola tesla's yes, um, hotel room. Yes, I've seen that there was like ufo documents and all these. You know, I mean, tesla was quite incredible with his imagination.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's very diverse, yeah, so it kind of makes me wonder. You know, you had Hitler, who was fascinated with the occult and looking for the Ark and looking for all these objects and things like that, and then you've got a family member of Trump's that's got this technology, plans for technology that was never published or patented. There's this weird little mystical aspect to it as well. He's not an Obama, you know what I mean. He's not any of the previous prime ministers. He's completely unique in a very interesting period of this era. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So you have to look at it and go okay if this is, and to our listeners at it and go okay if this is, and and to our listeners if what we're seeing in the media, which is completely and and anybody who who thinks that this isn't the case, is completely, completely controlled. The media, they, they has been bought, sold and paid for and is completely controlled. And this is this even includes tick to. We can get into that for just a second too. When TikTok got shut down right as he was coming into office and again, I'm not saying anything for or against Trump, I am saying that as soon as he was going into office at the same time, that as soon as he was going into office at the same time, tiktok was shut down. And now, if you go into the terms of service and you look at TikTok's terms of service, facebook owns it.
Speaker 2:I'm going to look at that right now, actually, because I haven't. I don't even know if we're allowed TikTok here, because I'm going to ban it in Australia.
Speaker 1:And now TikTok has turned into Milktoast and Facebook and Instagram are on there and if you block them it changes your algorithm on what you see. So this is a very interesting turn of events. You've got to lock down the contra narrative that you don't want to be said. Now, of course, there's still stuff happening on TikTok that's still getting out, but it's getting harder and harder to find what's really going on, which is what you can see.
Speaker 1:Tiktok was sort of like the independent news service, because anybody could have a phone and they could be somewhere and say service, because anybody could have a phone and they could be somewhere and say I saw a thing last night where there were literal firefights with ammunition and guns going on around the city of Memphis, tennessee, and you could hear it and it sounded like you were over in Eastern Europe or something. It was intense. What's going on that we don't know about? What's really happening and that's the thing that scares me is I'm not even going to point my finger, just like with Ms Cabbage. I'm not pointing my finger at Ms Cabbage, he's just a puppet. I think Trump is a puppet as well, and money talks, but for who? Trump is a puppet as well and money talks, but for who? Well, the guys that have the money to control the narrative. And you know, just like with these senators, they already tried to take his life when he was out, you know, speaking in public. Yeah, they tried to kill him. So you know the the, that threat is real, that threat is real and it gets people to do things that they wouldn't do otherwise. You know, I mean, we've seen it throughout, throughout history how, how, how, kings and Queens have erased families from the planet, literally erased families from the planet, literally erased families from the planet if they didn't do what they wanted to do. And this was long before the automatic rifle, long before. Yeah, yeah, yeah, um, you know the guy that? Yeah, and that's it. Yeah, the guy that invented the car that runs on water was poisoned. As an example, anybody that comes up with free energy devices and rears their head long enough is taken out.
Speaker 1:Now, I'm not trying to make this all doom and gloom or anything like that, but it's an interesting perspective, from an independent Scientologist viewpoint, to look at this situation and what's going on. And luck favors the prepared, luck favors the prepared, and this is something that that's how this whole conversation got started right before we started doing the podcast is things are moving at a faster clip than I have ever seen them move before in my entire 56-year life and I find it very concerning. And I've tooted Elon Musk's horn a lot for all of the things that he can get done and everything. But it's also a good point to say who allowed him to do these things. Who allowed him, who financed him? And, of course, he's the guy that developed PayPal and he made a ton of money off of selling PayPal to the PayPal mafia.
Speaker 1:But who's allowing him to do all of this stuff? And how is it that you have Elon in there basically tearing out all of these programs and has his guy's hands on the computers that are stopping this aid, that have access to everyone's social security number, everybody's credit history, you name it. He's in there and he is not even an elected official. He is not part of the United States government. That is something that is concerning, very, very concerning, because he can't be fired. He can be prosecuted, but here's the deal wait for it. Trump has the ability to pardon anyone that's right.
Speaker 2:That's right, including himself. Yes, that's.
Speaker 1:That's questionable, but the thing is is, if he has enough generals, that's enough. He has enough generals in his pocket. It's easy. It's easy to see. This is whether he's controlling it or somebody else is controlling it. It is a slow, moving coup that we're not seeing, but any coup seems slow when you don't have all of the information, and this is something that we, as independent Scientologists, need to be aware of, because history shows. You have all these people that were in these different countries, who saw these coups happen and and they're saying this is exactly what happened in germany. There's not many of them left and from germany at that time, but there are some and they've said this is what's happening. What happening, what happened then is happening now.
Speaker 2:It's the same thing before you know it go ahead it's a hard one, hey, because, um, you know, there is that saying history repeats itself. Um, you know, many, many kingdoms have risen and crashed. Um, which way is it going to go now? It's like the stock market it'll close high today and open low tomorrow. Um, yeah, like, yeah, yeah. I think, um many people's anxiety will be extremely peaked through this period because, yeah, which way is it going to go?
Speaker 1:Yeah, and if you look at Trump's view on crypto and he started his own coin and I believe it's in the $30 range I mean, isn't that a conflict of interest? Isn't that a conflict of interest? A sitting president has created his own cryptocurrency and I think the direction is and this has been going in that direction for a long time is they're going to get rid of a cash society and they're going to turn it into crypto. Because if you can do that, then you control everybody, then you can put them on a basic income where cash isn't accepted anymore. Yes, there's no such thing, it's just crypto. And then you have the social credit score which the Chinese have already put in place. It's literally Black Mirror, that episode in Black Mirror where if you jaywalk, you get a demerit, if you're late on this, you get a demerit, and all I have to do is push a button, just push a button and say you don't have any money.
Speaker 2:But to some degree a lot of the world is already like that. It may not be as precise or, as I don't know, you can't be held as easily accountable, like we're still in a position where we could still get around certain aspects of the law without being punished, of course, if you don't get caught. You know moving money, you know speeding without getting caught driving your car, all these kinds of things. As a public, we still have the ability to do some cheeky things to better our own survival. But realistically, if you weren't one of those people that was a bit cheeky, then you're already in that system. You're already complying to the rules and the terms and the conditions.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because it's been a slow roll.
Speaker 2:There's a handful of people, yeah, but a handful of people will step outside of that, Like in my circle, like there's a handful of people that I know that will step outside of the box. But then there's a lot of people that you know are happy being in that box. They're happy sticking to the rules. You know they're happy to wait for the light to turn green before they cross the road. You know what I mean. But then there's population that is like you know it's safe for me to walk, I'll just walk, I don't even push the button. As an example. You know it's safe for me to walk, I'll just walk, I don't even push the button. As an example, you know. So you've got these two different, very, very two different mindsets and then you get something like this coming along. Some people will easily slip into it, but some people are going to be very resistant to the change and if it does become that way, I'd probably be one of those people that'd be very resistant to it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, way, I'd probably be one of those people that'd be very resistant to it. Yeah, well, and that's that's. You know the. The issue is is, you know, we, we saw the narrative for the longest time that they were going to put chips in everybody. Yes, yeah, so you had to show you still, it's, it's still a possibility. Same thing it's.
Speaker 2:It's called a smartphone if it's, it's either a possibility or a definite one of the two yeah, I mean they know where you're at at any given time.
Speaker 1:It can can triangulate your position in a matter of seconds. Seconds, yeah, where you're at with your phone, they can tell you. Google knows, unless you shut it off. Google knows where you've been, where you are, since you had that phone and since you had the phone before that. If you didn't shut it off, there's a map that shows you that. They know where you're at at any given time and you'd be a fool to think the government doesn't have access to that. Yeah, whatever government it is, unless you're talking like a serious third world country. I mean, you can't even get a cell phone in South Africa without showing your ID. You can't buy a SIM card unless it's black market, and I wouldn't even begin to know how to get something like that that isn't associated with you. So you can't even buy a burner phone in south africa. Yeah, you used to be able to in the us. I don't, I don't. I don't know if you have to show your id to buy a, a walmart burner phone, but that's the thing is is whether you have a chip in you or not.
Speaker 1:Every single one of our listeners, with the exception of maybe the older generation, my dad's generation, for example, in their 70s or 80s, and even he has a smartphone. He has an Apple Watch and all this stuff. There it is. There's your information and knowledge is power. So they know what you're saying, they know what you're, basically what you're thinking. I mean, whatever you look at on. I mean, if you say it on your phone, it shows up on Facebook in 10 minutes or less. I'm thinking about buying this. There it is. And then you get on Google and there it is, and they're sharing this information. I mean it's quite literally what was in Minority Report with Tom Cruise almost 20 years ago.
Speaker 1:He walks by an advertising sign and all of a sudden it knows his name. It scanned his eyes and it's advertising to him about what it was that he was reading about or looking at buying on his device earlier that day, and this is before we had smartphones.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and so it becomes a question of will it make us freer beings, or are we just going to be human farms?
Speaker 2:well, I guess that's for the listener to you know to decide and the creativeness that we'll lose as human beings. You know, even cheeky creativeness, you know will will definitely be numbed down in a scenario like that. You know, you just wake up, your word kind of. Not much different to the way we are now, but in a more dystopian, definitely controlled manner, whereas right now we still have the belief that we're somewhat free to some degree. But the truth is, as you just expressed, with the phones, that's our own misunderstood.
Speaker 1:That's our own misunderstood. Yeah, and the point of the podcast is just to be aware of what's going on and, like LRH says, getting involved in earth politics is the last thing you want to do as a Scientologist. He actually says that Don't get involved Because the commonality of the whole thing is the reactive mind. Yep, yep.
Speaker 2:And that's insidious. What is the point of this podcast?
Speaker 1:Well, I think the point is that you need to do your due diligence and don't pick a side. Don't pick a side, don't pick a side. Yeah, you know, you have to look at it from an exterior viewpoint, so just continue focusing on the self.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean you can get caught up in this. I mean I was watching a guy on TikTok this morning over coffee in bed this morning over coffee in bed and I really, I, I really see the things that that he's talking about. You know, movies, for example, the the quality of movies has gone downhill. I don't even bother to go see a movie at a movie theater anymore because it is so false, plasticized. I mean a movie like the matrix, for example, 19 fall of 1998. Uh, that was, that was a an eye opener.
Speaker 1:I was really surprised that hollywood let that one out, because ho is sold lock, stock and barrel and anybody that knows anything about what's really going on in Hollywood. You know, when you get into the pizza gate thing and all of this stuff and the things that these, these people are forced to believe, to the point to where, once they, they join the, the cabal, now they have you and they've got blackmail on you and you're going to do what we tell you to do. These are your marching orders and your script is going to say this and it's going to have a narrative of this Almost every movie that is put out, every song that is put out, and we talked about this not too long ago, how they changed the frequency at which music the standard of music is in order to alter the way people think, and this was done two generations ago.
Speaker 1:You know you're dealing with. You know people say well, you know, on the backtrack there were these implants that you know? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You're seeing the same thing now. You're seeing the same thing now. You are indoctrinated. It isn't, you're going to be indoctrinated. You are indoctrinated and you need to take a look at that and back up from it and go okay, I need to un-indoctrinate myself.
Speaker 1:And for whatever reason, hubbard was at one point, was part of it and then backed away from it and then became outside of it and tried to do the best he could for everyone. And you see that on the OT levels, that this guy was trying to emancipate beings from this wash, rinse, repeat system of the best way to control somebody is to lie to them. And this is the common theme on this whole thing is you can't believe a darn thing you're told in the media and you shouldn't. You should get information from other sources. And if you can't get information from other sources and it bothers you that much, you might want to just disconnect and get away from social media, because that's how you're being controlled. And when I say social media, I mean Facebook, instagram, tiktok, all this stuff. And I'm just as guilty of it. I don't spend much time on Facebook at all. I use Facebook primarily to get ahold of you and Quentin just through Messenger, but I know that anything I say is going into the system. It's hard not to that's right, unless it's encrypted. So one of the things that we're doing is we're trying to develop apps where AI can audit you Yep, okay, you and secondarily, if worse things come to worse, you can do this locally. You don't have to have connection to the internet. You could do it on your computer, you could do it on your phone in some cases.
Speaker 1:Now we're not there yet, but we're, we're almost there with with our first stage of this, of this plan, because the more you're, the higher your awareness is, the less liable you are to fall for the bullshit that's being put out there, whether it's politically, socially, whatever, whatever. And this brings us back to that shades of night statement that he made, that LRH made in the fifties during the Philadelphia doctor course I think it's lecture 22 where he says you have a, you have a brief window of opportunity. And that brief window of opportunity is closing as the shades of night come down and you need to look at what's going on here and you need to get yourself up the bridge. And you need to look at what's going on here and you need to get yourself up the bridge and you need to educate yourself now. Now More than ever, more than ever. And I'm not doom and glooming it, I'm just saying the writing is on the wall. Okay, the writing is on the wall, I think more than ever, wouldn't you agree?
Speaker 2:look, I do agree and um, and I totally agree with the aspect of not buying into the politics and not taking, because that stuff, that's that's where you start dismissing who you are. Um, that's when you start dismissing who you were born to be. That's when your creativity starts lessening, because all your focus is going on to, to these things, which takes you away from being a human being, as an individual, because then you're becoming a human being as a robot, buying into so many things. That's where you'll lose your spiritual freedom, that's where you'll lose your human independence, that's where you'll lose those aspects. And I do strongly believe that those things can still be upheld, even in a tyrannical situation, even in such a situation where you feel that you can't be.
Speaker 2:And I think there's a power in that that we easily dismiss and I think could probably disbelieve as well. Think could probably disbelieve as well. Um, you know it's like, it's like submitting to the end while you're still alive. You know, you just submit, that's it. I give up, um, as opposed to, as opposed to, internally and spiritually, continuing as a spiritual being, regardless of you know your surrounds, because that is probably more powerful than being told. You know what to do and how to do it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the distraction is a PTP, it's a present time problem. Yes, you know how does anybody feel creative when they have a big present time problem?
Speaker 2:No, Well, no, because that becomes your focus yeah.
Speaker 1:Whether I'm going to survive.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly Exactly. You know, um, and and I don't know, there's, there's a life force in our beings that I think, throughout our lives, many of us may tap into occasionally, but then sometimes I think there'll be a lot of people that are just completely unaware of that aspects of our beings as well, um, and which is kind of scary in its own way as well, Um, without going too dark or too deep, um, there's definitely a fight of good versus evil, no doubt about that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean that's in a in a very basic sense. Yeah, it mean that's in a very basic sense. Yeah, it's, it's obvious and the the best thing you can do is don't believe a goddamn thing you see in the media. Don't believe it. You're being told what those sources want you to hear. Period and and LH said about that the emergence of chaos, and that is very much the case. I can't say that I know what's going on, even as an OT. I mean I have a sense and I left the US because I could see this isn't looking good. It was very perceptible. It isn't good at all what's happening here. This is not the country I used to know by. By any stretch of the imagination, I'd say so the same for me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, like in just in my time. Um, you know, the things I've seen change just in my time has been mind-boggling, um, it's becoming like australia used to be fairly loose, um, in many ways, you know, you'd see kids playing out on the street all the time. You'd see, um, you know, families doing family things all the time and then slowly, slowly, slowly, you still see those things occasionally and they still do occur, but not to the frequency it used to occur, as I recall at all. You know at all.
Speaker 1:At all. A funny example Before I left the US the Halloween. Before I left the US, I was out driving around on the night of Halloween and I thought this is really creepy. There aren't any kids going out door-to-door trick-or-treating anymore. Yep, I drove through neighborhoods that I knew had kids in it. You know suburban neighborhoods and everything. Kids aren't trick-or-treating anymore and I thought I never. And you could say well, you know that's, you know, but it was post-COVID. Yep, see, there are these subtle changes, these social changes that you know. Stores closing early I mean, even in South Africa things aren't the same. Restaurants close earlier. Stores on Sunday the stores close at 2 o'clock. The mall closes on Sunday at 2 o'clock. Why even bother opening?
Speaker 2:What will you guys do? You know, I actually wish that was like that here, because people would have to actually stop and spend time with their families and spend time doing things and spend time if they set their phones down.
Speaker 1:um, well, sure, um, because once upon a time here, sundays was always it was that way in the us too yeah, in the us when I was a kid, and that's when yep, yep, families would get together barbecue, have a few drinks a day of rest, help each other in the garden or fix cars or whatever.
Speaker 2:It was very community orientated, whereas now it's more individual orientated. You don't need somebody else in your life anymore. You don't want to cook, you don't have a partner, you just get it delivered, no problem.
Speaker 1:No problem.
Speaker 1:COVID did a lot of that. The working from home, getting stuff delivered all that stuff stayed in place after COVID. Now, of course, trump has said all government workers have to come back into the office. You can't work from home anymore, that type of thing, you know. I mean there are good sides and bad sides. A lot of people at Apple were told they couldn't work from home either and they needed to come back into the office for Apple and a lot. There were a lot of people that quit because they liked working from home.
Speaker 2:Okay, so let's take that as an example now, right? Okay, so Trump wants to abolish those things. Now, is he doing that to create something new, or is he doing that to rectify something that we don't know, rectify something that we don't know? So was COVID a testing ground for a certain path? And then Trump's come in and he's like no, we're not taking that path, we're going to go back, we're going to straighten back up. Yeah, here's Quentin. Is it the other way?
Speaker 1:Yeah, is it the other way? Should, is it the other way?
Speaker 2:Well, should we end this one and then start a new one with Quinton?
Speaker 1:Well, we'll pull him in and see what his viewpoint is from Malaysia. All right, see if he hops on here. Hey, pete, hey.
Speaker 3:What's happening?
Speaker 1:We need to bring you up to speed. We've been talking about all of the changes happening both in the US and globally over the last three weeks since the administration change and we were talking about just now. We were talking about the work from home changes and what Trump has said that all government workers need to return back to the office and they can't work from home. He's just trying to dismantle the Department of Education, the Gaza Strip is going to be turned into a real estate venture and all the people are going to be displaced things like that. So what are you seeing from your side in Malaysia? What do you think of all of this, gwyn?
Speaker 3:Oh, I think it's funny. I think it's funny, I think it's laughable, I think it's hilarious, I think it's wonderful, wonderful. I think that whatever he want to do, let him do it.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. And why do you say that?
Speaker 3:Because, listen, I was clear a long time ago that the direction that America is going is not the direction that I want to be a part of.
Speaker 2:Did you say Ameri-ka-ka.
Speaker 3:Ameri-ka-ka-ka KKK.
Speaker 3:I was told a long time ago that the direction it was going. I don't want to be a part of it, and so I got out of. I got out of, got out of dodge and I encouraged everybody who was in a similar of a similar mindset. You might want to go too. I said it before it happened. Lo and behold, here we are. And so anything, if he want to be the next kim jong un, you let him have it. He literally said it, y said it. Y'all heard his hot mic, the hot mic thing. Y'all heard that right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I remember.
Speaker 3:Just recently he got called on the hot mic and the guy asked him. He said is Kim Jung-un going to be coming to the White House? He said I don't know if we're going to be able to get him. He was like, but you know, he was a tight ship over there and he said he's basically saying when he says something, when Kim Jong-un says something, all his people stand up and listen. They stand up and they listen. He said that's what I want all my people to do too. He wants to be the next Kim Jong-un.
Speaker 1:I think it's hilarious, yeah that's probably the most oppressive regime on the planet yeah, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 3:Listen, I ain't got no dog in that fight, it's just interesting. I was a sociology major in school, so I look at. One of my favorite games I play on a computer is Civilization. I don't know if you remember that game called Civilization, oh yeah, where you build empires and stuff like that. So when he talks about tariffs and he talks about trade wars and stuff, I get all that part because I used to play the game right. So I understand it from a games theory kind of perspective. It from a games theory kind of perspective, like it's just, it's just political theater, it's just a game. You know, whatever, whatever the.
Speaker 3:The issue with it and what we don't necessarily experience in the game is that there's people's lives being impacted and so on.
Speaker 3:On the game civilization, we'll get a little little flash up on the screen that your citizens are unhappy with because they they can't feed their children, or something like that. You know, yeah, yeah, and you'd be like oh, let me see if I can move some more resources or do a trade with another nation to get some more food in my country, or something like that. On the game, that's how you get it, like a little flash your citizens are unhappy, but in the real world, these citizens, whatever, can't feed their. These citizens are having a hard time. I was just talking to a lady today, 66 years old, about to be 67., and she is having a lot of difficulties and she's really afraid because of, you know, social security and the whole thing. So she has like a little side hustle thing that she's doing. She was like but I don't know how I will be able to afford anything that I do, you know, if her Social Security gets impacted, you know, on any level, yep.
Speaker 1:And she's extremely concerned that you wouldn't otherwise think about. But you have people that are on dialysis, for example, who their dialysis is paid for by government funding in certain programs and if those funds aren't there, those people die and not get dialysis. Yep, okay, and so if you put people in such a pinch that the only choice they have is to follow what it is the path that you're creating and say this is the only path? We were talking about earlier basic income. This puts people into a position where they're forced to take a basic income because they have no other choice, and that was something I saw when I was in the States over the course of two and a half decades, that people had less and less money to where they had to live off of credit cards, and this was 2018.
Speaker 3:They had to live off of credit cards. I have a client right now who pays her rent on a credit card.
Speaker 1:That's just mind-blowing to me. I mean, if that isn't an indicator of the situation, I don't know what is that? You have to pay interest to pay your rent. Yep On top of. Exactly the cost of living. How much things. I mean they're having issues with getting eggs because of bird flu in the United States in some areas.
Speaker 2:I mean, you just look at this and you go.
Speaker 1:how many different vectors do you have to have to say you know, you have these food processing plants that and this was last year and the year before mysteriously are burning down, mysteriously burning down. And then you have your refineries that are shut down on purpose in order to make it more scarce, to raise the price of fuel.
Speaker 2:We have things like that happen here as well, all the time.
Speaker 1:How many indicators do you have to have that, say thou art being painted into a corner financially? This is why LRH was so vehement about this is the direction this stuff is heading in, and he was saying this 70, 60 years ago. And the reason why we do these podcasts is not to put fear into people, but we're trying to say wake up, take a look at what's going on here. You have an opportunity. You can do something about it. Do something for yourself. Set that phone down, stop looking at all of this, this N theta, just for a short period, and and get some education on on how to survive better and how to be able to see and be aware of what's going on. Do not believe the media, do not believe movies, do not believe anything without doing your own due diligence and go. Okay, where am I at now versus where was I at 10 years ago? How much has changed? Is it easier or harder to survive?
Speaker 1:I think, pretty much everybody would say it's harder.
Speaker 3:It's a matter of statistics. Yeah, it's a matter of statistics. You look at your trends, look at your stats, look at your situation and see where you are then versus where you are now, and if it's an up stat for you, fantastic. But then you apply that across all your dynamics, like is it the same situation with your family, you know, with your loved ones? Is it the same situation with your peers and your groups? Is it the same situation across? You know your country and your neighborhood or whatever, like. You apply that across the thing and you'll see that there is a danger condition at play here. There's a danger condition at play and let me be clear, and it could be, it could be that President Trump is a result of the danger that we've been in right. It could be that this is the bypassing of normal habits and routines. It could be that this is applying danger across. You know all the dynamics, across everybody. You would declare a danger condition, you declare a danger condition. This is in danger, that's in danger, and it could be that that's exactly what's being applied here.
Speaker 3:I don't know. All I'll say is this is that when something is in danger of dying, it could be a person, it could be an organization, it could be a country. When something's in danger of dying, it is going to go through some sort of manifestations. We know what happens when these kinds of conditions are at play, right, and we know how to handle them, if you do right. And so if a country is dying and I'm not postulating anything, I'm just saying what the condition is If a country is on its way towards non-E, non-existence, then there are certain manifestations that you will see, certain down stats, certain things that you will continue to see over and over and over again that will tell you this is headed toward non-existence.
Speaker 3:We got to do something if we got to do something if this is to survive, if we're going to get back up to emergency, back up to normal. And so now he's applied the emergency powers or something like that. You know exactly where I was going with you.
Speaker 2:You're a liar.
Speaker 3:Yep, yep, yep, yep You're a liar the emergency powers establishing a new galactic empire. But there's all these emergency things that's being put in place and these emergency powers is being there. Nobody likes it, but why is this happening? I think it's probably the way I want to look at it. Why is this happening? Is this a danger condition? Is this? You know what I'm saying? I think we weigh out of emergency. I think we're in danger. I really do.
Speaker 1:Well, and it's important to note that if you know your scale of ethics conditions okay, what's right below danger, non-existence, yeah, okay. Now it's a lot harder to move up from non-existence as a condition into danger because you don't know what you need to do. But if you've gone through danger, gone through emergency, gone to normal, gone into affluence, you now know what to do, because you're like, well, that's what I did before, I'll just do the same thing. Okay, that's how you would do this.
Speaker 1:But in this situation, when you're dealing with the third and fourth dynamic, is it really danger? What do people do when you have a government, that is, whether it's Democrat or Republican or independent or whatever, you say, okay, we need to bypass habits and normal routines. Did we have it better when Trump was in office? That's what's happened. That's what's happened is they're saying, well, biden just fucked it all up and we're going to go back to Trump. But the thing is, is this has been going on for generations where you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater and the statistics keep going down. The cost of living keeps going up, the taxes you're taxed every way, from Sunday, in practically every country on the planet, for everything that you do, when you buy something, when you buy gas, property tax, income tax and you have a small.
Speaker 3:When you die.
Speaker 1:When you die If you don't plan your estate properly. You know these types of things, and this is the thing. As a fourth dynamic, are we really in danger or are we applying the wrong condition? And what happens when you apply the wrong condition? We've mentioned this in other podcasts before, and it's an LRH policy. You end up two conditions lower, and that would be what Liability.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think what happened with America too is that we got to this point of affluence and we didn't apply affluence correctly. We just kept spending those debts and everybody who we owe keeping the deficit. You know, I think the last time we had a balanced budget was Clinton, I think.
Speaker 2:During the.
Speaker 3:Clinton era we had a balanced budget and we weren't in a deficit. I think after that it was just been deficit after deficit, after deficit. And so when you don't apply the affluence formula right, you take a huge crash because you're up on this high pedestal.
Speaker 2:And you take a huge crash.
Speaker 1:Yeah, mm-hmm, yeah, and so here it is the rooster came to roost. Yeah, and so here it is.
Speaker 3:The rooster came to roost Exactly, so I'm not surprised by any of this. I you like I said before, it's those who are being adversely affected by it, by this change. But it has to happen, though. We have to get out of danger if we're to survive?
Speaker 1:Right, you have to bypass habits and normal routines. I mean, you know, with the housing crisis quote unquote that was completely manufactured out of greed. And then these banks were too big to fail and the American government or the taxpayers had to bail these banks out and everything. And there weren't any heads rolling in the street or anything like that, because people are in apathy. Well, what can you do? What can you do? Well, there's a lot you can do, and that isn't I'm not condoning violence or anything by saying that, I'm just using it as a metaphor heads rolling in the street.
Speaker 1:But the thing is, is you have to be in better shape? Thetans work better in numbers. Thetans work better in numbers, ots work better in numbers, and the more ability you have, the more awareness you have, the more KRC that you have. It could be said "'Okay, people like you and me, quentin? "'we're cowards because we didn't stick around "'and we didn't do anything about it, and I understand why somebody would say that. But the other viewpoint is you have to look at from the viewpoint of self-preservation. Can you do better from the outside for people than you can in? Has it gotten so systemic that the only way you can do something is to go somewhere else and apply a condition to what's going on in your country of birth or something else. Right, you have to take a look at that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, everybody who I've talked to. There's really no consideration of cowardice. The consideration is more smart. They'd be like oh wow, you were very good thing for me because I was living in California but I had a lot of clients in Southeast Asia. Well, in Japan, I had clients in Japan. I had clients in Philippines. I had clients in Africa. I had clients in that side of the world. Philippines, I had clients in Africa.
Speaker 3:I had clients in that side of the world and I was like I'm paying California prices but working with many clients over in this part of the world, why don't I just switch it? So I started living over in this part of the world and working with my clients in California and other places in America and it actually worked out a lot better for them and for me. This is why I believe that LRH and I was actually just looking this up last night when LRH went and lived on the Apollo. The cruise ship was on the cruise ship for some time. Listen, I need to disconnect from this crazy way of being and living, to do something different, and that's what I was. That's the viewpoint I was coming from.
Speaker 1:Yeah, handle or disconnect yeah.
Speaker 3:And so I was literally looking at cruise ships Like is there a way to live on a cruise ship?
Speaker 1:There is, it's to live on a cruise ship there is. It's about 200 grand a year and as long as they have decent internet you can get away with it and doing what you do and doing what we do. I mean you can do that, but you got to have the money to do it and you basically have an apartment on a cruise ship. I mean they exist.
Speaker 3:Yeah, 100%. I found a lady who's doing it for $2,000 a month. I was excited about that. I'm going to look at her playing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, someplace where, instead of treading water, you can build some reserves and you can weather the storm and try and have passive incomes coming in. Lrh says having three sources of income, any one of them being able to support you, is the minimum, the minimum you need to do. You can't just have one source of income. You have to have at least three, any of them supporting you on their own merits. And that's the thing is. The tools are there and I'm sorry to say this. For now the tools are there, but we keep seeing these reports that some of these internet trunks off of the west coast of Africa have been cut.
Speaker 3:Okay, oh, cut Okay, oh, wow Okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it doesn't take much. You know there are workarounds and everything like that, but you know, if you wanted to stop everything, all you have to do is flick a switch and no more internet, for example. That's something that you have to take into consideration, so you can't have something that is reliant upon one source of communication only. Now, that's tricky, that's very, very tricky, and I don't have that. You don't have that, but it's something you have to look at. Okay, I got plan B and I got plan C, type of a thing. Or you have to have reserves. I think the viewpoint is you have to have reserves that you have access to and you're not cut off from if the internet goes down or you know whatever. But the thing is is that you got to be prepared, and the only way to be prepared is to know what's going on. The only way you can be controlled is if you're lied to. So and I think that that's what I'm that's that's the title of this podcast is going to be something along those lines, because we don't know what we don't know.
Speaker 1:In Scientology, the word is knowing how to know, and that means the data evaluators course. That means student hat, that means getting some auditing flowing power to those who can help you survive. What's going on right now? There's a lot more going on that we're not aware of, and I'm aware of the fact that there's a lot more going on, but I don't want to be all doom and gloom or anything like that. But I mean, it's just a matter of perception. I know you see it, quentin. I know Arthur sees it. We're just trying to make the case of don't sit on your laurels, do something about it and get your necessity level up while you can and get yourself in a position to where you won't be the adverse effect of it any more than you have to be 100% that.
Speaker 3:When it comes to making money on the internet and being being able to stay in communication, obviously that's very important to many, many people. Even when the whole Tik TOK ban happened in the U S that a lot of people were affected by that too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we were talking about that earlier and how it changed and if you look at the terms of service on Tikiktok, meta now owns tiktok oh, it's a meta took over.
Speaker 1:Okay, got it yeah, that's, that's what happened is now, and so one of the lines of communication and I'm sorry to reiterate because quentin wasn't here to our listeners but one of the better lines of communication for what was really going on, because it's that man, tiktok is that man on the street thing where anybody can grab their phone and throw something up on TikTok in a matter of seconds. Now they're controlling that because it was the threat, right yeah, it's all.
Speaker 1:It's all being re, re repositioned for other purposes and other reasons yeah, that's right, and so you, you need to be aware of these things. And lrh talks about this and and and I've I've said this in several other podcasts, but now the the lrh says that I mean you know, and when any, and Quentin, you know about this too, having done over 400 hours of Dianetics that it isn't what's said in an N-gram that makes the whole thing aberrative, it's the force, the force in the N-gram that makes it aberrative. And he talks about this on OT8 as well, and what little materials we have of what he said about OT8. I'm not gonna get into that. But the point is that if you're forced hard enough, you're gonna try and hold your position and that's what makes it aberrative.
Speaker 1:So the force, the velocity of things that are occurring, things are happening so fast. We're looking at changes that would normally take a couple of years, if not a decade, changes that are occurring literally overnight, overnight that are happening. The velocity of this cannot be underestimated. Like he says, there's only two ways you can be wrong over or underestimation of effort and being there and communicating, okay, so take those datums and look at the velocity of how quickly things are moving.
Speaker 1:And you have to. It's just like chess. You don't just sit there and make a move and say, okay, I'm done, no, no, no, you need to look into the future and look four, five, six, seven, eight into the future moves. You're going to make what their move is going to be and you need to plan this out. Auditing training allow you to do this to where you can just perceive you don't have any bias anymore because of overtsides and withholds, service facsimiles and things like that. You can just look at it and you can just put your little satanic feeler out there and go, oh, because that's what you and I did.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah. What I think is also very powerful about Scientology is that it helps you also be able to change right. And this understanding that if something is too rigid, if someone is too rigid, something's going to break, something's going to snap, right. And so for those of you who have been thinking about changing your condition, changing your that's the way you live, changing your experience If you've been thinking about changing it, but something is keeping you from making the change right, and that's just with anything in life.
Speaker 3:Auditing helps you be able to change postulates, like you could change these old ways of thinking, these old ways of doing things, where you don't have to do things the same way anymore. And what I realized after many, many hours of auditing and so forth is that I don't have to do things this way anymore. I can do things a different way, and that feels good. When stuff in your environment starts to change and you want to hold on to it, you want to make it work, you want to fight the good fight. You know, but you don't have to. You know you don't have to. You can. You can be pan to pan, deterministic about the whole thing and just be like, oh okay, I see, I see that. I see, I see what's happening over there. I'm gonna go over here.
Speaker 1:Right, right, you can either step out of the way of the bus or you can get hit by it.
Speaker 2:That's all there is to it Right, right.
Speaker 1:Or, and I'll give you an example a really good example of this is you don't even have to be on that street in that part of town to get hit by that bus.
Speaker 1:It's not just you didn't step out into the street. That's literally what happens when you get enough auditing is it's almost like sort of like an inverted butterfly effect. You don't know what didn't happen to you, because you were somewhere else, because you made changes in your life that didn't even put you in that town, in that state, in that country. You're somewhere else, you're doing something else, so there was never any threat of danger and never any threat of a lack of survival because you've changed your path that you are on so much, so much, that everything is different. And you did that instead of doing the same thing and expecting different results.
Speaker 1:That's what training and auditing provide. But you're not going to be aware of that until you get to a certain degree of self-help through independent Scientology and Dianetics. And that's the whole point of this podcast is you can't be controlled if you know that somebody is lying to you and telling you one thing and doing another, and the indicators have been there for a really long time. It doesn't start with the current administration or anything like that. It started back when you were in kindergarten.
Speaker 3:Right, it's. It's interesting because everybody acts like all of this stuff just started happening over the last six, eight years or whatever it was. This stuff didn't just start happening when a certain personality got into power or got into a position of power. This stuff didn't just start happening, it just became more overt. And I think that's really. I think that's really. I think that to me that's one of the most interesting pieces, because at least now you know Like, at least now you see blaringly if there's something that you disagree with, you can see blaringly that I disagree with this and let me respond accordingly, whatever that means for you. You can see now blaringly. I grew up in Alabama and in Alabama they used to always say at least they'll tell you to your face how they feel about you. You know what I mean. At least they'll tell you to your face and they would.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's the thing, and I've said this time and time and time and time again in these podcasts the hardest thing to spot is a missingness, and we're going to bring this back to John Lennon, martin Luther King, malcolm X, gandhi, lrh territory. Lrh territory If somebody is there and they're helping you, what do you know? If somebody is there and they're helping you, what do you know? They care about you and your life and your dynamics, and you've said this to me in private many, many, many many times that you love people to the degree that they love you.
Speaker 3:No, no, no. That's not what I said. Okay, I said I love people. This is what I say I love you, and there ain't nothing you can do about that, cause that's my choice, not yours, right, that's? Right, but I like who like me Right.
Speaker 1:I like who? Like me, if you, if you've got a government okay, regardless of who it is that's running it, or anything like that a government that that allows people who and granted, you know, I know there are a lot of people like marie antoinette let them eat cake. She said that and she got her head cut off for it. Now you're dealing you're dealing in france at the time. You're dealing with a government that that the, the elite, controlled everything and and the people were poor and miserable and they didn't even have the basics to survive. We're here again, folks. We're here again.
Speaker 1:History has repeated itself and you have a government, regardless of who's running it, and you have all the representatives. You have all the representatives that supposedly represent you that aren't doing something about it. That should tell you something, because there are things that could be done but they're not being done. The hardest thing to spot is a missingness. Do they have your back? Are they there helping you? Are you there helping other people or are you looking out for just yourself?
Speaker 1:I'm telling you you can't do this now. You've got to start helping one another. Do a co-audit, just do something to help other people and let's turn this thing around before it's too late. You've got to care for the person in front of you because somebody's got to have your back and, like Ellarate said, I mean he had to leave Rhodesia in a hurry. He went down there to change things and he couldn't do it on his own because OTs work better in numbers. You've got to take a look at this and make a move. Get on your bridge now, now, before it's too late. Get up the bridge, look at what things are going on, and if you can't see them happening, then you definitely need to get up the bridge now, because it is painfully obvious to the three of us that are on here that things are moving much quicker than they ever have before and you've got to do something about it and raise your confront. And even LRA says he has a hard time confronting evil, and that's the problem.
Speaker 1:That's the big problem right here, because tyranny is when good men do nothing. Ben Franklin said that we have to do something about it and we have a group of people here that can help you, that you can help and you can get this stuff done and you can be a lot more a cause over it and you can be a freed being. I'm not joking. This stuff really works and we're doing everything we can to support everybody that wants to take an interest in their dynamics, not just themselves in their dynamics. Read the writing on the wall. We are getting very, very close to a Fahrenheit 451 situation the Ray Bradbury book, book burnings, people being cut from communication. I mean, there's a lot going on right now and you need to do your due diligence. Read some LRH, compare it to what you're seeing in the media, disagree with this and get your ass up the bridge. That's my opinion.
Speaker 1:And as inexpensively as you can, because we're running out of time here. That's the way that I see it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, survival is dependent upon how you are able to control your environment, how you're able to I'll say, create your environment it's probably a better highway of saying it but, like, you survive to the degree that you don't become the effect of your environment but you cause the environment. Right, that's right. And so how, how, how able are you to call something in your environment? How able are you? Is the question, the only question that you really need to answer, because if you ask, well, why aren't they doing this and why aren't they doing that? And somebody needs to speak up against this kind of somebody needs to I think somebody said the other day, denounce, you need to denounce this kind of behavior and this is it's rep, it's it's uh, it's reprehensible.
Speaker 3:This kind of behavior is reprehensible and da, da, da da. Also, let me tell you something you create your environment and if you to the degree that you don't, somebody else is going to create it for you, and when that happens, it becomes, you become other, determined, you become this person that now somebody else gets to tell me how well I can live, how high I can live, maybe even sometimes where I can live, depending on if you get put in a camp or something, but where you can be and where you can live, and that's not how any of us deserve to be. So I think that what you're saying is absolutely right, jonathan. By getting yourself in session, by getting yourself trained, by knowing the tech and by being able to use it effectively, you become that much more at cause over your environment, and nothing can make you the adverse effect of it, unless you allow it to.
Speaker 1:That's right. Ot seven cause over matter, energy, space and time. That's the, that's that's the EP, that's the end phenomenon. Yes, I mean, and that's that's how you, that's how you get this done and I assure you, I assure you you can't keep a good OT down. And why aren't you one of those people? Get there, change your mode of operation. Make it a priority to get on course as much as possible. Figure out how to get in a Dianetics co-audit, figure out how to get on your grades auditing. All of the solutions are here. Don't put it off another minute. You absolutely have to do something right now.
Speaker 1:We are looking at a freight train coming our way and the only thing that's going to change it is a lot of OTs working in numbers and you think, well, you know it's long pass out, there's nothing we can do about it. That's bullshit. Don't go into agreement with that. The power of one OT it is amazing what you can do, and what we're doing with this podcast is a prime example. We're taking time out of our day trying to to get all this stuff. Quentin's traveling, arthur's got a job. I've got three businesses Doing all this stuff and we're still making this time to try and get the word out to try and get these services delivered to people. These guys aren't getting paid to do this podcast with me. These guys are doing this because they want to do it, because they care about anybody and everybody that'll listen, and that's the viewpoint that you have to take.
Speaker 1:Do everything you can Get on, source All the materials there. We're showing it to you. You've got access to it. It's all over the place on the internet. All you got to do is take the time, shut the phone off, shut the TV off, shut the radio off, sit down confront, read word clear, apply, wash, rinse, repeat, and you'll get somewhere really fast and you'll start seeing that you're treading water better than you ever have before. That's what's needed and wanted from you, from us. We want you here and I know we did a podcast like this not that long ago, but we're looking at the timeline has been escalated rapidly, rapidly, over the last few weeks in the United States and it's happening all over the planet. I see it here in South Africa as well. Artie sees it in Australia, quentin sees it in Malaysia. Okay, it's not just in the United States. We've got to do something about this and the best thing you can do is help yourself and try and help somebody else, and off we go. So, artie, did you have anything else?
Speaker 2:you wanted to add.
Speaker 1:I know you had to step away for a minute.
Speaker 2:No, I think we're all pretty much saying the same thing in different ways, ultimately, and, um, and it was good just sitting back and listening to you guys, um, discuss this as well, so I think the message is out and we beat it to death get out there and just become a superhuman that we were designed to be yeah, yeah you don't have to struggle, that you don't have to struggle to be a thetan in a body in the physical universe and you don't have to struggle beyond that.
Speaker 1:There's a lot more that you, that that is there for you beyond the physical universe. You just have to get there and I implore you to do so while you can and get it. Get it done. You will. You will thank us later and you'll go. Man, I'm so glad I listened to those podcasts and I started doing something. So, for arthur and quentin and myself, we'll see you in the next podcast on friday, namaste, and we love you. Bye-bye, peace, bye-bye.
Speaker 2:Thank you, thank you. Thanks for watching.