Scientology Outside of the Church Podcast
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Scientology Outside of the Church Podcast
E10EP22 - Why Aren't They Doing Something?
Arthur Moudakis, Quenton Stroud and myself uncover the enigma of the independent Scientology community's quiet presence. With a flurry of podcasts emerging, why does the community's digital footprint remain so faint? Join us as we challenge perceptions, exploring whether fear or past influences of the orthodox church still linger, stifling the vibrancy of independent practitioners. We navigate the complexities of maintaining the authenticity of original teachings without the corporate church's rigid structure, while pondering the potential for broader engagement through modern digital platforms.
Listeners will gain insights into the untapped world of independent Scientology, where opportunities and challenges go hand in hand. Many remain unaware of alternatives to the mainstream Church of Scientology, and this episode shines a light on the distinct practices that set independent groups apart. We discuss the potential of leveraging podcasts and even TikTok to educate a global audience, overcoming logistical hurdles to modernize the practice for the digital age. Discover how courage and initiative are essential to forge ahead in this unconventional movement.
Imagine a summit where independent Scientology practitioners unite to share success stories and reinforce community bonds. The conversation highlights the necessity of confronting fear and taking initiative to market the movement effectively. We explore how technology, including AI, offers promising avenues to enhance auditing processes and grow a more interconnected community. This episode is a call to action, encouraging active participation to expand the reach of independent Scientology worldwide, fostering a sense of community and shared purpose among its practitioners.
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All right and welcome to another AOGP Scientology Outside of the Church podcast brought to you by the Advanced Org of the Great Plains, ao-gporg and the College of Independent Scientologycom. We're here with Arthur Moudakis and Quentin Stroud, and the title of this is why Aren't they Doing Anything? It's an interesting title. What in the world are we talking about here? Well, what we're talking about here is we have the independent Scientology community. We're at what are we at? We're at how many podcasts is it now? It's got to be.
Speaker 2:I think it's 136 it's well over 100 now. 139.
Speaker 1:I think it's more 140, maybe one. This is 140. So the question is why is it so quiet out there? Why isn't anybody rearing their head? And you know, I'm sure. Well, I don't know, I don't know how many people that could be doing something or listening to our podcast. We don't have any way to statusize that, but it's an interesting concept as to why independent Scientology is so quiet. You don't see anybody being overt about things. The Facebook groups are pretty much ghost towns. The websites don't get updated. There's defunct websites that are, in some cases, six, eight years unupdated. We've lost eight senior tech terminals in the last three years, which is an issue too, obviously, but where is everybody? What's your speculation on this? What can we do about this? How can we spur people on what? Why aren't they saying anything? Why doesn't anybody else have a podcast? Why? Why aren't they? They getting out there and marketing and things like that, you know are they afraid of something?
Speaker 2:right what do you guys think? That anything that is outside of the orthodoxy which is so funny that we even say that because Scientology in and of itself is not orthodox but outside of the orthodoxy of the corporate church. I think that the idea is that there still isn't this freedom to be independent, perhaps right, a freedom to be independent, perhaps right A freedom to be independent. And I think that you know as for myself, you know I've been 22 years, 20, actually no, going on 25 years now as a practicing Scientologist. You know there's a level of freedom that you attain in becoming who you choose to be. And with or without all that, you know, if there's still some agreement that you know to be unorthodox, to be outside of the corporate structure, to be outside of this you know groupthink is not okay then that's going to bleed into everything one might do, and so I just feel that there's still some agreement along that line that you still have to be a part of the corporate church in order to function fully.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean, and that's unfortunate because it's not true. It's just not true. I think that LRH made the tech available to all mankind and it was then wrapped up and tangled up in whatever bureaucracy or whatever legalities that needed to be wrapped up into. But it's not true. I think it's available to mankind because it is the knowledge of man, it's the knowledge of mind, it's the science of mind, it's the science of who we are as beings, and I think that that should remain independent. I don't care how you slice it.
Speaker 1:I said, Mr DeMarinated.
Speaker 3:So yeah, artie, I think if we were to say compare the corporate church with independent, I think the only advantage the corporate church probably has is the way it pushes people towards a community, but it's not a healthy kind of community, but it is a push nonetheless. They're relentless to get you in, to get you as in a group, to get you going to services, things like that. And then I think on the independent side, like quentin said, you have a lot more freedom, and I think that freedom is harder to create a community with. Um, and there's, you know, there's pockets of independent all over the place, like even for us just to meet up now. We all have to get our time sorted. We're all different times your morning, your afternoon, I'm evening.
Speaker 3:It can be a bit tricky in that sense without like a physical log. But then, as far as the tech side of it goes, I think the thing that makes Scientology hard is the level of confront that's required to head towards it. And in the independent side, I think the individual requires quite an enormous amount of confront to study as well without having somebody calling them 24, 7, without having people hassling them coming in and doing those kinds of things. And I think that's where it makes it a bit trickier on the independent side. But I do think it's sad that there is a lack of community around the independent approach to scientology. The independent approach to Scientology what are your thoughts, john.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean the speculation. I mean that's, all you can do is speculate. How often do I have somebody else from the independent community contact me? Almost never, very rare, Almost never, almost never, very rare, almost never. And then, and if that's the case, it's usually somebody that's working with somebody else in the independent community wanting a lecture or a reference or a this.
Speaker 1:You know they're, they're, they've been told by whoever they're working with to have that person contact me instead of the person that is delivering the service contact me, which I find really odd in two different ways. Why isn't the person doing the services, you know? Why isn't there any esprit de corps? Why isn't there any unity between people delivering things? Usually, you've got a and I don't mean this in a negative sense but you've got a rogue auditor, a one-man show, a lone wolf type of a thing. We've got three auditors here and they don't reach out. There's this individuation that's going on and there's no third dynamic, because I would suspect that it's probably. Well, I don't want you taking my clients, but I mean then they're referring their clients to us anyway for references that they can't come up with. So it would lead me to believe, and you guys can correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 1:I'm not trying to pat ourselves on the back, but you look at the lectures that we have out there, the online course room, the qualifications library that we have out there. We have AI on two of our websites that can answer pretty much any question you have about Scientology and both of you have used them and you use them regularly and they're at org expense. You're looking at $150 to $180 a month just for the AI, because we have so many people ask questions to the AI and so people are coming to us, as I mean almost by default as a central organization in the independent field, because we're the only ones doing it. Why doesn't anybody else want to put their neck out there?
Speaker 2:Well, I think we see it from two different angles, right? So, for example, you being an executive director of an organization that has helped many, many people across the globe, many, many people across the globe, and us being clients or PCs and working from a practitioner angle. You know, I think it's a little bit different. You know, I look at it and kind of similar to what Art was saying about like the group, like looking at it from a group mentality. You mentioned about not having necessarily a third dynamic when it comes, try to come together. You know, as a person of color, as a Black man, like I even see it within the Black community people who are so oppressed that even when they come together, it is very, very difficult to have a real third dynamic that's functional and working properly. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:I'm here in the Philippines and oftentimes in the Philippines you'll hear them talk about crab mentality. Crab mentality how people who have been literally conquered and occupied three times by the Spanish, by the Japanese and by the Americans Three times, and they still, to this day, talk about crab mentality, even within the Filipino community. So I think it's just interesting to see how, when people have been oppressed or people have been affected so tremendously by a central organization or a central power to try to get them to band together. And, to be honest with you, independent Scientology is still rather new. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:It's still a young way of being to think that, wait, I can do this on my own, I can do this independently. We can do this together and do our own things Like is that okay? And then to try to bring it together. I think this is where we are. We're still growing that and I do believe that AOGP is at the forefront and at the center if you can do the same both on forefront and center but it's at the forefront and the center of what this is going to be. Fast forward 50 years from now. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:Actually, I think it's interesting something you said there as well, because when I started looking into Scientology I didn't even know that there was a free zone or independent Scientology. I actually found out by mistake, because every time if you're interested in Scientology and you're trying to use the internet to find information on it, it's very rare to come up with something that's independent. And I'm pretty sure I was watching some kind of documentary that was bashing Scientology and somebody had made a comment to look into independent Scientology. And somebody had made a comment to look into independent Scientology. And that's when my world opened up.
Speaker 3:Just from a comment in a random video, I had no idea that independent Scientology was even a thing, because people know what Scientology is but they don't know that there's an independent Scientology. And even if I explain to people, you know I'm studying Scientology but I'm doing it independently, they look at me funny and it's like isn't Scientology Scientology? So maybe it's just maybe, like you said, maybe it is something new in such a way it's going to take some time for it to open up where people can say there's an independent groups out there and to really be seen and to be known.
Speaker 2:You know, I think I think the uh, the uh conditions, for me those are very apple pro here, like just what you just said art, we got to get out of non-E, right, we got to get out of non-E and let people know that there's a way to go up the bridge, there's a way to study Scientology, there's a way to use a tech and to do it as a community, without necessarily being attached to corporate structure attached to corporate structure?
Speaker 3:Yeah, but do you think also the difference in tech between organizations makes a difference as well? Like, is there much difference in the tech and the way it's structured?
Speaker 1:Yeah, Well, I think that that's the biggest problem is you have a lot of people outside of the church. I was told once by one of the oldest living, still living Scientologists 95 years old that a lot of the people that are in the field have been maligned by the church and they tend to go and change the technology and everything when they start to decide to put out a shingle and start delivering services and stuff like that. We've seen that many, many, many times where we had to repair somebody case-wise, where somebody went off the reservation and did their own thing. Case-wise, where somebody went off the reservation and did their own thing and there's no willingness for people to be corrected because they've already been maligned by the church and they don't want to be corrected and they want to do their own thing instead of just doing what the old man says. And so that creates an opposing current with people because they don't know what they're getting as a PC. They just know they're getting something and that's a scary part of it is.
Speaker 1:Well, are they doing the right thing? You would never know because you're not a trained auditor, and I think that that's one of the things that you see is one of the reasons why you don't see there isn't anybody anybody out of eight plus billion people out there doing what we're doing in the way that we're doing it from a digital standpoint, from a communication standpoint, I mean, my personal opinion is that we're definitely out of non-existence. I mean, you can Google any number of things in Scientology and you come up with our podcasts. They're all over the place.
Speaker 2:That's true.
Speaker 1:That's something that we get more people from the podcast than we do anything else, and I'm I'm looking at starting a, a tiktok channel educating people on independent scientology and what the difference is and and how it can, you know, help their lives, and that that sort of a thing uh to to get get out of non-existence. My biggest concern is is that if I do some of the things that I want to do on there, we might have more people than we know how to handle rapidly with just three auditors, which would be build it and they will come.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, a great problem, it's a great problem to have. Yeah that's.
Speaker 1:That's the best problem you can have ever is. You know what do we do with all these people and everything? And you have to have the. You know you're supposed to have two administrative terminals to every tech terminal and we have three auditors and me doing all the administration. But you know, the administration is more easily handled because all of it is digitized and it's on. You know, it's on a web server and there's code to do courses and all that stuff pay for courses. We have the college where people can. You know it's sort of like a lobby for independent Scientology and you can. You can have an app on your phone and you can get direct messages from people and they might be on the other side of the planet.
Speaker 1:But I guess the main thing that I want to know is why isn't anybody trying as hard as we are? What's holding them back? I mean, I guess the question is why doesn't anybody else want to spend any money? And that's what it comes down to. Anybody else want to spend any money? And then that's what it comes down to. Why doesn't anybody else want to spend any money to put something there, to put Scientology into the future? What's going on? Why isn't this happening?
Speaker 1:I think that's a really interesting question, because we're spending $600, $700 a month to have a digital org that's all over the planet. Wherever there's a cell signal or a Wi-Fi signal, you can be doing independent Scientology and you can be communicating with other people at a fraction of the cost, but nobody else is really doing this. Instead, it's the old-fashioned way they're writing on paper their sessions, or we do our sessions on an iPad and you can send these in really quickly as a PDF and you can get get your session CS, you can listen to lectures, you can do the courses, you can communicate with people, you can. You know all of this stuff. We've provided this infrastructure, but nobody else has has done this is. Is there? Is it? Is it a generational thing? I mean my generation, I, I don't know.
Speaker 2:that's what I was thinking, you know is it? Is it the only thing? More from, yeah, I was thinking more from this perspective of, if you really think about it, people who areined have gone up the lines, say within the corporate church. Then they come around and say you know what, I think I want to do this, you know, independently, I want to do this outside of the church. Well, where are they as it relates to technology? Where are they as it relates to AI and understanding how to organize and build something the way you've done it?
Speaker 2:I think that is a generational thing. I think that if you came up with LRH and if you came up, let's say, I found this in 2002. That's already been almost 23 years ago. You know what? Let's say I found this in 2002. That's already been almost 20, that's 23 years ago. You know what I'm saying? Somebody who was in it well before me, another, let's say, 10, 20 years before me. It would have been a whole different ballgame. You know what I'm saying. So I just think that I think that it's about know-how. I think it's also some fear involved. I think there is a bit of you know, first dynamic focus, like I got to live. I got to eat, you know. I got to pay these bills, I got to keep a roof over my head. I think there's some of that as well, because it's a lot of work and it does take a risk to build a business, to build an organization, the way um, the way we are doing it, and so, yeah, I think there's a little bit of all that well, it's a matter you know.
Speaker 1:It's also a matter of confront, too. What are you, what are you willing to confront? How hard is it? I mean, you know you can have ai build you a website in a matter of moments and you've got a website out there, you know at least you know the skeleton of it. And then you need to populate it with your text and stuff like that, and you can even do that in the blink of an eye. So that's something that you know. Maybe they're just not aware of it, but it's, you know. The other side of this is that the generation when the last the I don't want to. There was a big boom in the late 80s, when I was at Flag doing my auditor training, but there was also a big boom in the 70s. That's when Scientology was really really expanding rapidly, and those people who were in their 20s and the 70s are now in their 70s in the 2020s, some of them older than that my dad, for example you know, 77, 76, something like that.
Speaker 1:And you know, I mean obviously you don't get as much done the older you are and your priorities change and things like that. But you know my generation, I was 19 when I got trained as an auditor. Where are all the guys? Where are all the guys that I got trained with and, and you know, did they stay in the church? Did they give it up? Whatever?
Speaker 1:I just I just it blows my mind with the technology we have, that makes it so easy to do this stuff and and and populate and propagate this to other people where other people would be. You know, trying to do an online course room, trying to do all these different things. I mean, you know, are we that unique? I mean, it took us years to get the online course room up and going, but it was pretty much just two people and then one person two people, one person type of a thing. And we have this now. And I'm not saying you have to reinvent the wheel either, but there needs to be some sort of a third dynamic push and it's so much easier to have a third dynamic where, you know, people can, can meet and and and have affiliations with people and everything, but instead they, they, just, they don't communicate. It's just crickets. I just find that really hard.
Speaker 3:Could it be like there's a bit of an explosion of a lot of self-help modalities, courses, things like that as well, because I suppose if somebody's going to move into Scientology they're looking at bettering themselves and there's an abundance of things out there where people do weekend courses, where people do there's just too many and too numerous to count. And look for me as well through my journey I did a lot of these different kinds of things up until I discovered Scientology and actually put an attempt towards it, that I realized I kind of wasted my time with a lot of those quickie courses, but most people would be interested in doing something in a weekend, feeling great for a few days, maybe a week, and then you know they get off doing, you know they do a weekend course and then next thing you know they're holding the course because they got a certificate after a two-day course or a three-day course. Could it just be sheer laziness? Nothing more, nothing less.
Speaker 1:I tend to want to default into that direction. It's complexity and confronting what's so complex about it. What about it are you not confronting? I mean, you just don't hear about that many auditors out there. It's all sub rosa, it's quiet, it's secret. It's like what are you afraid of? What are you afraid of? I mean the's secret. It's like what are you afraid of? What are you afraid of? I mean, the church is maybe they're afraid of the church. Well, that's what's going to say is, the church has got enough problems. They're leaving us alone entirely now, especially after they lost a lawsuit.
Speaker 1:Um, you know, most of the people that that come to us now are people that are that love the technology but just can't deal with. Just in the last 10 days, three different people, four different people, have been in the church and they're tired of being pushed around and chased out to their car. You know being pushed to do something and all of this stuff, and so it's. You know it's a freedom from and a freedom to sort of a thing, and so it's. You know it's a freedom from and a freedom to sort of a thing. And if you're not out there and you're not saying something about it, or you know, I mean, look at the body of work that we have in these 140 podcasts where people can listen to this and the things that people say they're like.
Speaker 1:You know, you guys really get where I'm coming from. I mean, we see that all the time on the YouTube comments and stuff like that but there's nobody else out there trying to push this into the future beyond one or two pieces type of a thing, and that's it. They're not saying, hey, I'm here, I get that, there's word of mouth and that's, that's your best form of advertisement, but, um, I just, I just really don't get why there can't be more of a uh, unification. I've, for years, I've thought about let's, let's have an acquaintance, and I've talked about it a lot. Let's, let's have a, um, I'm ready. You know, uh, you call it Quentin, a island.
Speaker 3:Well, yeah, On the retreat.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Like a retreat.
Speaker 1:You have all these people and stuff and you're pressing the flesh and you're sitting down and you're having dinner with them and spending time and making these connections, you know, getting the ARC and the KRC higher and all that stuff. But the thing is, you know, you're looking at the expense of doing a summit that was the word that I was looking for is where we have a summit of all of these people and say you know, let's, I mean, you know, if governments can do it, why can't we do it? Why can't we get everybody together and say here's this, you know, one time where we can all get to know each other and we can all start working together, because it's a dying subject outside of you know, servers wouldn't stay on but a month or two because there's, there's, there's nothing there. There's, there's no private server where the electricity is being kept on and and all that stuff to to keep this thing pushed forward. Yeah, the lectures would stay on, probably, you know, in perpetuity, but there's in perpetuity, but there's nothing, there's nothing.
Speaker 1:I mean, you know, ronsorg, I mean they have a couple of locations and stuff like that, but they're not overt, they're not actively being out there and saying here, this is who we are, this is what we're about, this is what we think. Having all these conversations and stuff like that, I dare them, I dare them here this is, this is who we are, this is what we're about, this is what we think. Having all these conversations and stuff like that, I dare them. I dare them to start a podcast and start reaching out and and and put independent scientology there. And I'm not saying you know, there's no competition. There's over eight billion people on this planet. There's no shortage of people. There's over 8 billion people on this planet. There's no shortage of pre-clears. Where do people get that idea that there's a scarcity of pre-clears? There isn't.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 1:It's just illogical to think that and that we're competition. But that's the thing. I mean, we're not terribly popular in the independent Scientology community because we advertise, we market, we put stuff on Facebook, we post our success stories. Nobody is posting success stories on Facebook but us, yeah, nobody. I mean that's what you're supposed to do. Is you're supposed to say, hey, I'm here, and if you're afraid of the church, why are you afraid of the church there here? And if you're afraid of the church, why are you afraid of the church? There's no reason to be afraid of the church, right, you know? So I just, I just wanted to to chat about this and get and get people.
Speaker 2:Well, I like, I like how you said that. Well I can. You said that that the church has, you know, bigger fish to fry than people who are actually trying to go in session. Like it's like anybody trying to stop you from going in session. Yeah, like you know, like no it's it.
Speaker 1:There's no, there's no stop here. It's just a matter of you know why? Why aren't people? Why aren't auditors? Why aren't they trying harder? Why did, why did they natter about us and say, well, you know, it was good, glitzy advertising and all this stuff and it's like, well, you can do that too. That's what you're supposed to do is there's a marketing series and policy letters, you know all this stuff and it and it never goes any further than just this one guy. I'm not saying it's easy, but it's something that needs to be done, and the only way it's going to get done is somebody says, okay, well, I'm going to spend some money every month to pay for a server, I'm going to spend some money every month to do this. Why do we have to be the only?
Speaker 3:one. I think it's just fear, I think it just comes back to fear. Nothing more, nothing less, I mean there's a lot of horror stories out there. Yeah, there's a lot of horror stories out there of things that have happened to people stepping out of the church. Maybe a lot of people don't want to become one of them, and maybe it's really that simple Just fear. Nothing more, nothing less. Nothing about the passion of the tech, nothing about being a qualified auditor or anything like that. Maybe it's simply just fear.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I mean, what else can it be? And where is fear on the tone scale? Pretty low, yeah, very low, and it it, it's, it, there's. You know there's nothing to fear you. Just you need to get out there and you need to tell people hey look, this is what this can do, this is how it can be successful. You can have this too, type of a thing. I'm trying really hard to think about different ways to make people aware of independent Scientology.
Speaker 3:To make it easier, maybe it's two things Maybe to really make it happen. Maybe it's two things Maybe. To really make it happen it requires confront and grit and what is grit? Just that extra oomph, just a bit of you know. I'm going to do this no matter what Kind of like you have. I'm going to do this no matter what comes at me.
Speaker 1:Why is that so rare, I wonder?
Speaker 2:You know what you said earlier. Oh wait, I'm sorry, go ahead, art.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you're not good.
Speaker 2:I think what you said earlier about freedom from and freedom to and I started the conversation at the beginning of the podcast talking about you know we're so free, you know, and yet there's still this agreement that exists that you know we're so free, you know, and yet there's still this agreement that exists that you know you're not supposed to do something or you're not supposed to be something or whatever. I think it's freedom from, so we get free from whatever confines that might exist and then, therefore, we're free to right, to be, to become, to express, to form our own groups to, you know, whatever, whatever, like. These things exist, and it's so crazy because it's already woven into the fabrics of the Scientology technology, it's already woven into what LRH created. It was always that way, it's always been, and so I think it is fear, and you asked the question why is that so rare? This grit, this? I'm about to do this because I want to do it.
Speaker 2:It's a thing that people do not possess readily in most of society, most of the world, and so it's time for us to kind of, I think, push the envelope a little bit, even as those within ALGP, even those within our Facebook groups, even those within our social media platforms ourselves, even those within this podcast If you're listening to it right now like it's time to do something about it call.
Speaker 2:This is a call to those who, like, really want to go up the bridge, really want to be free, really want to do something tremendous with their lives. This is the way to do it, and so we're starting that call now. I think that having the summit our first, you know, independent Scientology summit, or this annual summit, or whatever we're going to start I think that's a really, really good way to start it and just put the call out, you know, and give people enough time to get okay with it. It's all right, we're going to come together, we're going to have a little picnic, a little powwow. You know we're going to break bread, it's okay, ain't nobody going to hurt you?
Speaker 1:Yeah, because there aren't that many of us, there aren't that many of us, there aren't that many of us, and it's I mean, you know we're doing everything we can to get more public in and everything. We're working on a Book One app to be audited by AI that'll be out in the next few months. You know, that's tremendous, Tremendous that that sort of thing can happen and it works. And this is going to provide pre-clears for a lot of people and you know, we may even have a pre-clear pool where we have more pre-clears than we have. Auditors People said well, I love that Dianetics stuff, but you know, you got anything stronger. Yeah, we got a hundred proof. Yeah, Metered Dianetics, metered Scientology and all this stuff, you know, and I mean that's the direction this is headed.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I need to. I, you know, I want to. I want to be even more keyed out, I want to be even even more more, more.
Speaker 1:I want to be even more reactive, mind erased and stuff like that. I mean this is the direction that this is heading and you know, I mean it's just there's no central point on everything other than what we have. But, you know, getting people to be engaged in, you know staying communicative, getting excited about things, and not just on the first dynamic while I got up the bridge. Well, you won't stay up the bridge very long if you don't have a third dynamic and a fourth dynamic that's doing this. So you know, I just wanted to ask this question. I thought it would be a good food for thought thing for people to ask themselves you know, hey, what could I be doing? How could I increase the infrastructure of independent Scientology?
Speaker 1:and everything like that so.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, this is a very, very good conversation and I think it's something that needs to be had right now because, you know, we're in 2025. We're at the advent of AI revolution. Like there's no reason why people should still be, you know, in the dark ages. There's no reason why people should still be in the paper age. We're called the paper age. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's that's kind of what it is. I mean, you know, the, the, the digital age is, is where we're at and this opens the, the, the boundaries tremendously for people to to get. I mean, you know, you can deliver a communications course to 100 people, you can do lectures to 100 people, 200 people, really simple, about the tone scale and things like that. That's how my dad got in Scientology at a community college was about the tone scale, giving out free tickets and stuff like that, and you know, you can FS them to us. You can, you know, have auditors. I mean, there's just so many things. It's just a matter of do you want to? Do you want to put it there for other people? Because if it isn't there for other people, it won't be there for you. If that's the case, so it's not a make-wrong, it's just. You know, we could really use more independent Scientologists working together shoulder to shoulder and not just being individuals. You know, the individuation is the primary thing and having the willingness to put something there. So food for thought for everybody.
Speaker 2:That's fantastic yeah.
Speaker 1:So are we hiring.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're always hiring. We can have auditors across the planet. Right now we've got the three auditors that we have here, we've got Arthur working on his Pro TRS course, we've got one in India. So we're trying to have different time zones for different auditors so that we have auditors in every time zone on the planet with any population you know, not counting for oceans and stuff. But yeah, I mean that's what needs to happen, is there needs to be a proliferation, a union of people who are willing to change life for the better all across the planet and be in communication with each other and make it as fun as possible, because it's a really fun game.
Speaker 2:It's a really fun game. Yeah, is there a possibility of having a podcast on FSMing? Maybe there needs to be an FSM podcast to show people. How do you introduce this technology to people in a way that helps them and listen? I know my friends and I know people who need some help. I know people who are a little touched, you know, touched by an angel. You know what I'm saying and might need a little support. You know what I'm saying. On the mental health side or whatever, might need a life repair, might need, you know, just do some book one die next to relieve some trauma and some PTSD and some stuff they got going on. There's a lot of people that we just know in general. You know what I'm saying. You could walk around the street and you could see somebody who is, you know, stuck in an incident or who is so low tone they can barely lift their head up. You know these things are real.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, no-transcript here. They are something like that. I mean it could happen with the advent of ai, with with you know getting out there on tiktok and you know presenting it properly, and people needing, needing solutions beyond everybody's a narcissist. You know these, these, these concepts that are, you know it's where it's you're pointing the finger at.
Speaker 2:You know there's there's like Tik TOK. Yeah, I mean it's and, and, and, that's, that's. You go on TikTok. Everybody is a narcissist.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean it's and that's. You know it's bad news sells. Well, you know what? Not everybody can be a suppressive. Not everybody can be a suppressive and there isn't as much suppression out there as people think. It's just you know, you need some auditing to look at things and go okay, here it is, this is what's really happening and there, you know, there is a solution to it, there is an answer to it. You can be happy and you can flourish and prosper and there's a big market out there of people that need help. So I hope everybody enjoyed this podcast. I thank Arthur and Quentin for being here. Quentin's a man about town right now. I made time to do this.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 1:I thank both of you for being here. There's Quentin walking around town. Where are you at Quentin?
Speaker 2:I am in Metro Manila, philippines. Okay With the skyscrapers, and infrastructure is very nice.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and the sun's getting ready to set this evening. So thanks for being here, you guys, and give this some thought to our listeners and how you could not only benefit from it from a financial standpoint, but from a helping other people, which will help you financially as well, when you open that flow of getting things going in your area and not being afraid. There's nothing to be afraid of Nothing. So take care, everybody, and we'll see you on Monday for another podcast, namaste, and we love you, thank you. Thanks for watching.