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SE10EP23 - Where's the Joy?
Have you ever considered how the seemingly simple act of rejoicing can transform your entire life? Join us for an enlightening conversation with Arthur Moudakis and myself, Jonathan Burke as we unravel the many layers of joy. Drawing from personal experiences, like the rhythmic passion of drumming and the intriguing philosophies of Independent Scientology, we explore how joy acts as a universal force, urging us to be present and intentional. Arthur helps us trace the etymology of joy, revealing its roots and guiding us towards finding new happiness in unexpected corners of our lives.
We dive into the exhilarating essence of joy-fueled creation, reminiscent of the joyful nostalgia of an Atari 800 computer and the transcendent flow achieved through music. This episode likens the shared exuberance of Southern Baptist gatherings to the energy unleashed when individuals are fully engaged in their passions. By weaving in stories of historical figures like Nikola Tesla and musicians like Neil Peart, we underscore how joy, born from discovery and mastery, becomes a driving force that lights our path through life's complexities.
Arthur leads us deeper into the idea of joy as a self-created truth, pushing us to seek personal catalysts that spark happiness. From the profound joy found in the pursuit of knowledge to the spiritual reactions evoked by physical experiences, we examine how joy is deeply intertwined with creativity and discovery. Our conversation concludes with practical advice on embracing joy in everyday life, encouraging listeners to take simple, intentional actions to cultivate happiness. Arthur and I are thrilled to share this joyful journey with you, and we hope it inspires you to recognize and embrace the joy that surrounds you. Namaste and remember, joy is always within your reach.
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that's okay that's all right. Hi and welcome to another scientology outside of the church podcast. This is season 10, episode 23. I'm here with arthur mudakis. Uh quentin is off, uh, traveling the world, experiencing new things in, uh thailand, I think, so he's got the day off. So Arthur wanted to do a podcast on joy and I'm going to let Arthur lead this one and I'll jump in where I can and everything like that and something that he feels is important, and I do too, and we'll see where this heads. So take it away, arthur.
Speaker 1:Okay, so this kind of started. A few days ago I was caught up with a friend and we were having a coffee and he said to me he said to me he needs to experience more joy. And I thought about it. I'm like joy, Okay, what does joy actually mean? Like where does it happen inside of us? And how do you know when you're at joy? Like how do you know? So if I was to ask you, John, like if you were to tell me what joy is according to you, what would it be?
Speaker 2:Um, I'd want to say that that joy has a levity to it. Okay, um, you know where you. You know you could say that that's where you're. You're really keyed out about something that that indicates to you, that makes you feel you're on purpose of what it is that you're doing and and I think that that that's different, obviously, for everyone as to what, what it is that you're on purpose for. Lrh talks about that.
Speaker 2:A person develops their purposes early on in life, around two, three years old, as to what their purposes are. On mine, it was seeing my dad come back with a Mark IV e-meter and probably 20 different four-color pens wrapped in a rubber band and these course packs in plastic blue exterior with all of these green and red-typed bulletins and stuff on them and the R6 God on the front of fundamentals of thought and everything. And this was something that was completely, uh, I'd never seen in the house before and I was like two and a half, three, three and a half years old and I, I, and then, you know, on top of that, listening to the Beatles and the Yardbirds and Seals and Cross and Jim Croce and Inigata DeVita, and got me into drumming and I would ask him to put music on and I thought you know, I want to be a drummer, want to be a drummer and those two things, 54, 53 years later, uh, are the things that bring me the most joy in my life? Not, I mean drumming, probably more consistently, because that's just, that's something you go, you go out and do, whereas what I do with dynamics and scientology is, um, it, it.
Speaker 2:It brings me joy, not consistently, because I'm I'm a randomity person, and I think that that's also one of the things with joy is that, to the degree that there's randomity in it and it brings you into pt and keys you out, and the body is not an impediment to what it is that you're doing, you have joy because when you, you really have joy, there's no effort, because it's just a. It's a, it's a create and you're not thinking about the vias, you just are doing it, you're putting it there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, that's my take on it because okay, because while we're discussing it um, you know, of course we're talking about it I'm like I wonder what this word actually means. So I'll look up the word and it says a feeling of great pleasure and happiness, a thing that causes joy. So so, as you were saying, then the drums cause joy for you yeah yeah example, yeah, because it's a putting it there in in time.
Speaker 2:You know, in real time, you have to manifest it, you have to be and that's the thing is like lrh talks about in the the art series is is you're, you're, you're creating time musically? Well, you can create, you can create time with anything and have joys, because when you're, when you're creating your own time outside of you know, it's like any. Anything that you have joy with, it seems to me, is something that you, you look at your watch one moment and you look at it the next and it's four hours later. Yes, yeah, that's when joy is happening.
Speaker 1:Well, so, as we're looking up the definition um and the word comes from from old french um, and it actually means rejoice. So the derivation is to rejoice, which I found really interesting, because in order to rejoice something, you've got to be very present with it and you've actually got to recognize that you're there in order to experience joy.
Speaker 2:Right, you have to be in present time.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Or there's a sense of a well, yeah, to an individual level. And then it was funny because I'm like, okay, rejoice, what's rejoice? And then it was funny because I'm like, okay, rejoice, what's rejoice. So we look at rejoice and it says feel or show great joy or delight, and then the derivation for joy is experience joy. So, on one hand, to rejoice you've got to be experiencing joy, but then, in order to rejoice, you've got to be aware that you're in joy. Yeah, so, instead of like an afterthought, what if joy became the forethought, like like an actual intention?
Speaker 1:I'm going to do this to enjoy it, because I'm not feeling joy well and rejoicing something that you're actually doing intentionally, as opposed to reflecting and then saying oh, I really enjoyed that.
Speaker 2:And you can experience joy and have never done it before, because it's something that you've newly found, that you never knew that you could do or you could experience. Or you could experience or you could manifest if you'll excuse the term, um, yes, a newfound talent or some area in life that you, you know, you'd never experienced before, like, uh, um, you know, doing clay pots on a pottery wheel or something like that, where it's not something you see every day, you don't get around it Scuba diving and learning how to do that, or martial arts, or picking up a musical instrument you've always admired, and getting to the point to where you can actually play a small piece of music or something like that. And then there you go and it's joy seems to come from validation of ability, skill and certainty.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, and I think what I'm really enjoying about this word at the moment, exploring it, because at the same time my friend said he was in the cold place. So he described his situation as it was a cold place and therefore that's why he needed joy. But because he was in such a cold place emotionally, he was unable to see joy when it appeared or experience joy or intention joy which I found really interesting as well. And then it got me thinking it's like okay, so in, in moments of those kinds of situations where you're feeling joyless, you know you're flat, um, you've got some stuff going on in life you know how do you focus towards bringing some joy in, in those moments of especially like, let's say, you're in despair, for example, you know, bringing some joy in just to even lighten some of that cold feeling or some of that cold place, as my friend described it, which I thought was a really nice way of presenting it too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a rare thing, unless you have to start somewhere and you have to find something that you enjoy doing, whether it's a hobby. Some people get joy out of working hard and busting their ass eight, 12 hours a day, and they get joy from that because, like LRH says, production is the basis of morale, and that is an inherent part of joy is that you feel that you've produced something of merit, by your own estimation and to the degree that you feel good about whatever it is that you do, whether you're trying to get a product or the product itself, and I think it's important to note that the product itself is just sometimes just joy period well, you were saying before we started this that you got some ideas coming up um that as you were speaking about.
Speaker 2:You're actually quite lifted by talking about it yeah, well, I mean, and that's you know, that's a shareable or not.
Speaker 1:Just yet we've talked.
Speaker 2:We've talked about it in other podcasts, but it's it's. You know it has to do with ai and applying the tech and, uh, getting it out there for other people that they can use things with the help of a non-quote-unquote sentient system to get a desired result from either auditing or word clearing. And applying the tech that somebody can use around the clock on their phone or their tablet or their computer and find some joy in the tech by applying the tech and get a better understanding of it and apply that to life and then find more joy, because that's what, you know, the subject of Dianetics and Scientology about is being cause over life and having the ability to do the things that you want to do and not holding yourself back in areas that cause you joy.
Speaker 1:Joy is hard to find in life without something like scientology and I think the thing that struck me the most with this word was the um derivation of rejoicing, because you, that is cause, that's you being in cause. You know you're actually causing this to happen, rather than this thing happening to you now. I'm not saying, like you said before, that you can have an experience and then, upon reflection, think, oh my god, that was great, I've really enjoyed doing that. Um, but being at cause will produce more of these joy moments, I believe. Yeah, because you're.
Speaker 2:You're there, you're being present, you're in that time while it's occurring um, yeah, you are, because you you can't be in present time and create something, something positive, other than doing recall, processes of pleasure, moments and stuff like that. But being in present time and creating your own time, no matter what it is, is what causes joy, because you're being creative in some way. I don't care what it is, if you enjoy it, you're being there and you're being creative in some way. I don't care what it is, if you enjoy it, you're being there and you're being comfortable and you're getting something out of it because it is something that makes you feel absolutely present. When I used to play video games as a kid on my Atari 800 computer video games as a kid on my atari 800 computer I would, I would get so in present time and I would enjoy these games that I would be playing that when I got off of the computer the lights were flickering because I was so much in present time. I could see the cycles of the light going on and off, because it doesn't just stay on, it's going on and off and cycles. That's how in present time I was. And then, when I started, started playing drums and messing more around with time in a different way and creating time. It got to be even more so and, um, jamie font.
Speaker 2:Jamie font was my, my uh music scientology bridge music teacher and he talks about this at length, about the magic carpet ride of being in a band and how it's. It is so joyful that because you're making this magic carpet of this self, created through four or five, six individuals in time, where you're making your own time and you have no attention on making your own time because you don't have to think about it, musicianship wise, you just do it and you're all on the same page riding this magic carpet ride, where you're all pushing this thing out into the future through improvisation or a certain song. And you know, there's to me that particular aspect of joy. The only place that I've ever experienced that amount of joy was in that type of a situation because there was this yeah, arc, I mean, you're a musician, you know what I'm talking about yeah, I totally understand what you're saying.
Speaker 1:And then you're right, it's completely timeless and there's like this unanimous energy that occurs where everybody is there, like they're there yeah, I don't know how else to explain it and and you're so there, there's nothing there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're just like in this it's, it's, it's incredible, it's an incredible feeling yeah, yeah, you're just, you know, you're looking each other in the eye and you got the. You know the guitar player, the bass players looking at the drummer, you know the keyboard players looking, and and you're all, just, you know, just floating, creating this thing just become one.
Speaker 2:yeah, you just just just become one and you know where everybody's going and whatever somebody does isn't something that's unexpected, because you know, that's the serenity of beingness in a form of action and aesthetics, and that is to me, in what I've experienced in life joy in the creation of time. And you can do I'm sure you can do it with other things but it's the most palpable to me. In expressing how to rejoice, there's a feeling you know how you go to. I mean, when I hear the word rejoice, I immediately get where there's and it's too bad, quentin's not here, but where you're in a Southern Baptist church and the minister is up there and he's saying something and I don't care whether it's Scientology or whatever religion it is, but he's saying something that resonates with people and it's an as-is-ness that occurs, because it's the same thing with music. It's an as-is-ness that occurs and people are like amen, amen, you know, you've got the choir back there and they're in enthusiasm and they're singing this beautiful a cappella music and everything, and everybody's clapping and the whole goddamn church might as well be floating off the ground in rejoicing in this, as is this truth. That's right. That's right. That's what joy is.
Speaker 2:Is. It's this personal or shared truth between one or more individuals, and when you get there, you are untouchable, bulletproof, yes, and in this society it is so difficult to find and manifest that on a constant basis, because of all of the things that are distracting and pulling you in one direction or another or anything. And it's something that you have to have in life in order to it's sort of like, and so it's well, what's it all for? What's it worth? Their napathy. And then you get them to a point of joy and you remind them of it and they go oh, that's what this is for.
Speaker 2:You remind them of it and they go oh, that's what this is for. That's what this is for Is that I have to, once I revel in my sweet spot of joy, whatever it is. Now you go okay, this is the point of having a body in the physical universe and going through all the things that you have, and then you go. This is pretty freaking cool. This is really good.
Speaker 1:It's magical. Yeah, it's pure magic.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It really is.
Speaker 2:And it's different for everybody.
Speaker 1:It really is.
Speaker 2:And you have to have that regularly in order to validate all of the other idiosyncrasies and stops and counterintention and and all of that stuff and and to the degree that you do is to the degree that everything else flows a lot, a lot better. You know, just 20 minutes, 30 minutes.
Speaker 1:Do you find um? Yeah, even just a few minutes, if you can fall into that space. Yeah, minutes. Do you find um? Yeah, even just a few minutes, if you can fall into that space. Yeah, do you find um. When you experience joy in that way, with such intensity? Um, that's when you really feel alive, yeah, yeah, and then, and that's it all your pains go away, right, or you forget everything. You're just there, like you're there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're reveling in the moment.
Speaker 1:Completely naked, yeah, yeah, completely naked. Physically, emotionally, spiritually, you're just completely naked and your body is just in a flow, a timeless flow.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think that that's a big component We've mentioned it a couple of times is that there's this timelessness, and that timelessness is your Thetan. You don't have a goddamn thing to do with time, nothing, because in the Thetan universe there is no time, and it reminds you of the fact that you are imbuing yourself into something that forces you to say there is time, there is waiting, there is length, there is arduousness and all of this stuff, and you're going to have to wait on this linear thing where joy is nonlinear. It is just that it is and that it's a subtle reminder to me of self. This is who I am and what I can manifest and I can create.
Speaker 2:That is on my wavelength, that, that that's my thing, whatever that thing is, or things if you're lucky enough to have several things that bring you joy, whether they're in the physical universe or not, you know, it might be just gallivanting around, going exterior and looking at things. Or, uh, you know, it brings me joy to walk amongst, walk amongst the trees in a quiet forest. Yes, I don't know why that is, but it does. Uh, you know, beautiful sunsets can bring you joy. Uh, you know, sitting sitting on a beach watching the waves come in, just these little, these little things. Even though they're in the physical universe, they can bring you joy. Because what is it that manufactures joy? You do, what is it that manufactures it?
Speaker 1:And that's my point.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's my point. We have to create it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a self-created truth, yeah, and that's all that it is. It's just that you need some sort of a catalyst. I mean in a physical universe sense, it's the best way to pop-start the satanic car is you have to find something that brings you joy, and the more that you do that, the more things. It gives you more reason to carry on to bring yourself to that. Or, if you're lucky enough to have something that brings you joy every day, if you don't have something that brings you joy every day, you might want to reconsider doing something that does instead of a nine to five job or whatever that is. But it's, it's a. It's a, it's a form of ARC, it's a universal constant that everything thrives off of. That drives them forward in a universe that is so contrary to that which they are.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's. And it's interesting because when I first saw the derivation and it said rejoice, straight away my mind went to religious philosophies, because you know, you're always hearing, you know that rejoicing god, that rejoicing all these, all these things, um, and interestingly, as we're talking about joy, I'm starting to realize how appropriate that kind of is, because it does become a spiritual experience using physical things yeah, well, it's, it's, it's a, it's a spirit observing physical things.
Speaker 2:It just brings your spirit through yeah and that's or phaeton through yeah, yeah, I mean you, you're, you're, you're manifesting what, what that feeling is. It gives it gives you joy because it's something that indicates to you that is either aesthetic or fun or is something that your nature is about, that you are, and it says, hey, yeah, this is, this is, this is me, this is, this is my thing. Whatever that thing is, if it's in the physical universe, or if it's maybe just just reading, reading something in dianetics or scientology or or the dao or the bible, or you know, I mean you know and I mean you know, and that's that's one of the one of the reasons why I think religion is so popular is it gives people something to, that indicates, that gets them to a point of joy. It's, it's the best way, it's the, the thing that resonates with them, that articulates for them that they duplicate and they go oh, yeah, yeah, this is the way.
Speaker 2:Whatever that thing is and this podcast isn't an advertisement for any one thing but if it is it's that you need to have as much joy in your life. Have as much joy in your life, whether it's something creative or something productive, because different people get joy out of different things. Some people get joy out of rescuing animals and helping them and finding new homes for them, or people like having plants and having a greenhouse and taking care of these plants and watching them come from this tiny little seed to this amazing looking plant or or whatever you know brings me joy to look at new, new ways to get a get across the concepts and dianetics and scientology that makes it easier for people to see that it works and and get something done for them. That if it brings me joy to bring joy to other people, that's, that's that's one of the primary things for me.
Speaker 1:You know, in a on a third dynamic sense do you think, um, maybe, just as we're talking, like I'm just thinking all sorts of different things around the ARC triangle and getting to the point of understanding, do you think maybe those moments of pure joy is the peak of ARC? To complete understanding where it becomes completely timeless. To complete understanding where it becomes completely timeless. Um, and I'm I mean that outside of a mechanical aspect, but on a personal level, that true sense of complete understanding in the moment, which is completely thoughtless and it's completely in that moment with such intensity yeah it, it can't be questioned, it can't be um taken away, it can't be disturbed.
Speaker 2:It's, it's complete understanding, without any logic attached to it at all, because it's literally in the moment well, in other words, it's, it's, it's in intransitory, you know, I mean it just floats like we were talking about. It's that sort of that, that magic carpet ride where you have complete arc for it. But you know, the two triangles do coexist and you've got knowledge, responsibility and control and power. And when you have those two things together, well then you do have that timelessness aspect of it. With professionals, they make something look easy because they're not thinking about it, because they have complete understanding. They have complete knowledge of how they hold the paintbrush or how they hold the drumstick or how they play the. You know the guitar and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:There was a. There was a is a funny story back in the early late seventies or early eighties where the, the rock group Van Halen, was someplace playing a gig and, gosh, what's his name? Ted Nugent came, came behind backstage and stuff like that, and he said to Eddie you know, hey, can I go over and play your rig? And and? And Eddie said, yeah, go ahead. And they fired it up and everything like that, and he thought he was going to go out there and sound like eddie van halen. And he went out there and he sounded, sounded like ted nugent on on eddie van halen's guitar because there's a, there's a, there's a different mode, that the way the person plays a particular instrument, regardless of all of the electronics, regardless of this, it's not going to sound like that person. There's different hands, there's different approaches, there's the different krc. For that, that axe axe, as we say in the, in music, whatever the tools are is because whatever the tool is is, it's not just that it's a tool, it's their tool, it's their mode of communication through it.
Speaker 2:And nobody writes like LRH. If you've ever read Battlefield Earth or you've read the Mission Earth series, I mean there isn't a sci-fi book out there that is written in a better way. And any pro auditor published science fiction author will go yeah, I wish I could write like that, because that's ARC and KRC working together. And that's the beauty of a thetan is we all have abilities that other thetans don't have, because we have our own copyrighted version of arc and krc, with the thing that brings us joy and that joy proves out just because it's effortless, because you don't have to think about it, you know.
Speaker 2:I mean you, you look at these, these pieces of marble that the guys during the renaissance period and, and you look at it and you would swear it is a person with this fabric over them, and how I mean? You look at AI and you go, oh well, that's AI, Because it doesn't look right to the eye. But you look at these pieces of marble and what they had to do to the eye. But you look at these pieces of marble and what they had to do, what they had to do with the chisel to make it that smooth and make it look like it's the actual person, with this flowing fabric in the robes and everything, and you just go how is that possible? How is that? I mean, it's, it's it's.
Speaker 1:You know, what's incredible about that is just the joy the observation of that creation can bring exactly, exactly just by looking at it yeah it flows on.
Speaker 2:It's incredible yeah, they're perfect examples of almost a mirror image of the joy that was put into it, reflecting back on you. And it was, and you get that it was done on purpose because, like lrh says, art is a communication and to the degree that it communicates is to the degree that it causes that joy. We've all heard, we've all heard music, we've all all seen pieces of art or, like we said, the sunset or whatever that cause us to have this sense of joy, because it is just absolutely perfect in every way the gradients of colors, the streaks of light coming through. You know, whatever I mean, it's everywhere. But the thing is, is that it? That didn't I mean?
Speaker 2:Naturally it occurs, but even then, still, you look at the physical universe and as much as a concatenation of things, it's a marvel that you can. You can look at jupiter, you look at saturn or something like that, and you go I mean, look at that, look at Jupiter. You look at Saturn or something like that, and you go, I mean, look at that, look at those swirls, look at how all this stuff functions and the interplay between it, to the point to where, once you understand it, you can recreate that stuff yourself with some other medium. Now we're cooking with gas. Now we're talking about the joy of joys.
Speaker 2:Whatever it is, it doesn't matter, but that's what gets a thetan off. Is that joy? It isn't something that's out there, it is something that is in you and to the degree that you can do that and you revel in it, and you end up communicating it to somebody else almost inadvertently, because it just mirrors. It's a perfect mirror of that and you've got to have that. You've got to find something, and I don't know anybody that hasn't experienced it themselves in creating it themselves. That's what's important letting people, they can do it yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:And not only is it timeless, but it's also wordless.
Speaker 2:That's what's impressive about it it's a, it's a, it's a complete concept. You, you look at these, these, yeah, marble figures and you just go yeah, you know, and you come out with the dumbest things.
Speaker 1:How did they do that? What tools did they use? Yeah, you know what I mean. It's like. It's like the moment you've been floored with this incredible aweness of this experience and just viewing these things. Then the logic brain comes in. You know, how did they do that?
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:How could I?
Speaker 2:do that? How did they do that? Where would I begin?
Speaker 1:Yeah, which is a compliment in itself, because it's so incredible. There's a mystery around it that you're trying to understand and work out how this happened. How did this happen? How did this thing get created the way it did? It's a thing, it's a piece of rock that a man man has put his touch to, but not only has he put his touch to it, he's put his spirit to it too, absolutely, and it just molded this incredible creation, yeah, that anybody could could observe and just be in the same, or that he was in while he created and completed it yeah or she you know it's that, it's that quality where you can't sleep at night.
Speaker 2:You're so excited about this thing that that gives you joy to do. You know, like, oh god, I gotta let the body, I gotta let the body sleep. What a, what a interruption this is. I want to, and you know, sometimes you can stay up all night. Uh, I'll give you an example. I've never done it before since when I read Jurassic Park back in 1991. Michael Crichton, the late Michael Crichton. I couldn't put the book down. I've never even done that with an LRH book. I couldn't put the book down. It gave me so much joy that this universe had been created and was was. So I just where what is going to happen next? Where is this going to go? I stayed up all night to finish the book and I was reading so fast I'm a fast reader anyway I mean, you know, you almost, you almost want to put it down. And you know, because you don't want to ruin it, because you know that it's going to come to an end, type of a thing.
Speaker 2:There's this joy in this story because there's going to be an end to it. It can't go on forever, can it? But a lot of his books were that way about technology and things like that, and that's an interesting component of joy. Is that the body. You sort of just say I don't need to sleep, I'm going to keep doing this and people work on projects for days because they're so compelled by the joy that it gives them and this timelessness that the body just falls to the wayside. I mean, that's really cool when it does happen. It doesn't happen often, but you should really revel in that sort of a thing and know you're definitely in the area when you have something like that that brings you joy. But it's also interesting to note that when you're experiencing joy, it's almost as if you're uncovering a mystery, something you don't know about, and you're trying to take it in and you're trying to get as much information about it as possible.
Speaker 2:You picture Nikolai Tesla working in his lab in the middle of the night doing this thing so there's nobody else around and you can hear the crickets outside and and he and he's he's finding these things out on your you're on this magic carpet ride that he had to because of the discoveries that he's making. Joy and discovery go hand in hand because you're, you're getting this krRC for something. So KRC drives joy. And then you never, ever forget it. If I said, recall a time that brought you ultimate joy this lifetime, there's KRC knowledge, responsibility and control.
Speaker 2:Knowledge, the understanding, the ability to know it inside and out, backwards and forwards, and to discover things that you didn't know before, are what drives joy. You learn a skill, you learn a datum or datums or skills, and then you're like I have a hunch, will this prove out? And when he found out that he could transmit power through the quote unquote ether, yes, can you imagine? Can you imagine the elation and the joy, how that felt for Tesla that he could do these things, you know, even if he was blowing up power stations in colorado by accident, it, it, it proved his point that, by god, these theories work. You know the three, six, nine thing and all this stuff. You can only imagine how much joy that would bring a person, because it's a joy, is a validation. It's a validation. Quentin really should be here.
Speaker 2:He would really, he really should go off with it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we miss you, but that's what it is.
Speaker 2:It's a validation.
Speaker 1:There is another side and you know, as my friend was saying, you know he was in the cold place. Yeah, this is the part of joy that makes it really difficult for us. In this time zone and era, it's really easy to lose joy too.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's really easy to forget that you can experience joy. It's really easy to drift from being joyous.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you have to take. I mean LRH mentions being in a push-button society. If we're not in a push-button society, I don't know what we're in. We quite literally are in a push-button society. If we're not in a push-button society, I don't know what we're in. We quite literally are in a push-button society.
Speaker 2:And if everything is done for you oh, I'm going to order Uber Eats or oh, I'm going to do this, or oh, I'm going to do that it becomes a little two-dimensional and joy is four or two-dimensional, and joy is four or five-dimensional because it deals with the thetan and the thetan's interaction with the theta universe. As to, well, serenity of beingness is, well, it's called the no to mystery scale. So when somebody is in joy, well, guess what they're in serenity of beingness, that're in serenity of beingness. That's what serenity of beingness is is total arc and total krc. And that takes doing, not something, doing it for you, and and you have to find what it is for you, that, that, what, what requirements need to be met, what you need to, and discovery as well, is part of joy.
Speaker 2:What can I do? What? What can I do? How can I do it? What do I need to do? Is there's a particular way. I need to hold the sticks, or do I? Do I need to do cardio in order to pull off what it is that I want to pull off? It occurred to me that why do musical bands, why do they slow down as they get older? Well, their body is an impediment to them, because their circulatory system is getting older Unless you're Mick Jagger.
Speaker 1:Well, he has a machine. Yeah, yeah, he is a machine.
Speaker 2:I mean, you know there are, there are, there are exceptions, but I mean you know the the body is something. Sometimes you have to practice to practice. You know Neil Peart in rush he, he used to go out and uh, ride his, his 10 speed bike across africa, or go out on a boat and and and uh, you know these these thin ore boats to get his cardio up and everything like that, to be able to to play tempos for two or three hours a night, song after song after song. And you have to, you have to push yourself and then you start going, yeah, shit, I can, I can do this. And you're training, you're practicing to practice. And then, as you do that, you get this joy out of practicing to practice. And now you know it so well, it's effortless and you can go out and do that. Anybody can do that sort of a thing. But you have to push yourself and I think it's important to find joy continually in life. You have to do what scares you? Because you get complacent. You get complacent you.
Speaker 1:It's that you can never go home thing and and that's that's where you really create understanding as well. Because, let's be real, you can only fear something you don't understand.
Speaker 2:Right, and that's just exactly our point here. If you're not doing something that scares you, where's the joy in that If you've done it before?
Speaker 1:Yeah, Been there, done that type of thing. You have it's boring.
Speaker 2:It's boring, you have to push the envelope. And what is boring? Well, a game consists of freedoms, boundaries and purposes. If you know all of the boundaries, it's no longer a game. But if you're pushing you're constantly pushing the boundaries now it gets interesting. You know, I used to play racquetball with a friend of mine.
Speaker 2:It was like, oh, I will play racquetball. And then he'd say, do you want to make it interesting? Do you care to make it interesting? Said, okay, let's, let's say it's a hundred bucks. I beat you in this, this game of racquetball.
Speaker 2:All of a sudden, that which was boring, now there's some there, there's some stakes in the game, there's, there's some skin in the game and you're like, oh, this, all of a sudden, you'd say, well, this got serious. No, it didn't. No, it didn't. It became the spirit of play and that you're playing. And the joy is is that you're playing and that there are consequences to this that you're unaware of. And now you've created a new game. I've got a hundred bucks riding on this line. I lost a couple hundred bucks to him, but it was.
Speaker 2:It was the most fun and there was no time, because, I mean, when you play something like racquetball, the speed of particle flow is so freaking high that ball moves at such a fast rate when it bounce off that wall and you've got a track where it's going, where you're at, how you're going to hit it so that that it does what you want it to do.
Speaker 2:How are you going to put them at a disadvantage? Or you know it's something else, but it makes it interesting, and to have joy it has to be interesting, yeah, otherwise it's just boring and you're further down the tone scale, so you don't know what's going to happen. You can, you can picture michelangelo doing, getting ready to hit his chisel. What's the marble gonna do, what's it not. And that's the challenge to make it look perfectly smooth, I mean, and everything is scary, everything is scary, but that's how you find joy. You know, just like Tesla saying I have this theory, I think that's what this is. And then you know gigawatts of power. Yes, yes, you know, I mean to be a fly on the wall in those situations, with those types I know.
Speaker 1:I know it would be incredible and and the, and the funny thing is.
Speaker 2:The funny thing is, I would venture to say, they were absolutely, completely alone when they were doing these things in a, in a poorly lit room, in the room, you know Michelangelo doing this because they didn't have electricity, candlelight and Tesla.
Speaker 1:You know these bright forms of energy and all this stuff in a dark room and everything and the smile that comes across their face and they're like I knew it.
Speaker 2:I knew it, I knew I could do it, I knew I was right, and you're always kind of pushing that darkness off. That's the thing with joy is you're pushing the darkness off to where there's more KRC and now you've found something and you've discovered a new law of the universe or a new understanding of something that you could or couldn't do or you could do better, and you have joy. Yep. So I hope everybody's podcast and if you if you feel any joy in these descriptions.
Speaker 2:Do you know what? What we're talking about? And I'm sure you have, and you've been there and you've experienced that for yourself, and maybe we've broken it down a little bit for you as to how some of these concepts relate to independent Scientology and Dianetics. And go have a perfectly temperatured, steamy cup or cold whatever of joy by putting that joy there and creating it yourself, because nobody's gonna create joy for you, only you can create joy in anything that you do. It's your joy and only your joy. It's a very personal thing, very personal, but it also can communicate joy for other people and spur them on as well, if you so choose to.
Speaker 1:Yes, I think. Just remember that you can.
Speaker 2:Right, it's always there. It's not something that you buy at the store. It's something you can create on your own. At any given moment, you just have to say okay, I'm going to. We're not even going to use the word decide, just say I'm going to, I'm going to Boom.
Speaker 1:And, as crazy as it seems, this world is full of joy if you look for it.
Speaker 2:If you look for it, if you create it and you say I'll buy that for a dollar, I'm going to do that. You create it and you say I'll buy that for a dollar, I'm gonna do that. So, for arthur and myself, we hope you've enjoyed this podcast and maybe it'll make you rejoice a little bit in the concept of joy and that it's always with you. You just have to start namaste, and we love you. Bye-bye, bye-bye.