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SE10EP24 - The End of the World
We dive head-first into the intriguing topic of ‘the end of the world’ and examine it through the lens of independent Scientology. Our discussion navigates the complexities of how crises shape our understanding of existence and communication. We unpack the nuanced relationship between knowledge, authority, and perception—particularly as societal structures and technologies evolve rapidly.
Throughout the episode, our hosts facilitate a rich dialogue that emphasizes the importance of conscious awareness and critical thinking in navigating turbulent times. By exploring concepts of impending change and the inherent challenges of living in an information-saturated era, we offer a fresh perspective on potentially alarming predictions. Rather than succumbing to despair, we present the opportunity for realization, adaptation, and spiritual growth.
Listeners are encouraged to consider: How can we transform our environments when faced with profound change? What actions can we take within our communities to ensure open discussions about knowledge and its implications? Our engaging conversation serves not only as a means to enlighten but also as a call to action—urging individuals to reclaim their agency and step confidently into future possibilities. As we journey towards understanding, we invite you to subscribe for more enlightening discussions and consider joining our community in South Africa for both in-person and online learning experiences. Together, we can chart a thoughtful course toward resilience and constructive evolution in our ever-changing world.
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Hi everyone, welcome to another AOGP Scientology Outside of the Church podcast brought to you by the Advanced Org of the Great Plains and the College of Independent Scientologycom. Aogp is AO-GPorg for those who don't know, and this is a podcast about independent Scientology and independent Scientologists' viewpoints on the world current events, the topic of independent Scientology and Dianetics. This is Season 10, episode 24. I'm here with Quentin Stroud and Arthur Mudakis on the continent of Australia and the continent of Asia, with Quentin and me, and the continent of Africa. I wanted to.
Speaker 2:I love it.
Speaker 1:I wanted to turn it over to Quentin, who came up with a podcast idea, and we generally tend to jam if you will, if you use a musical analog on things pretty well when one of us has an idea and we just kind of jam with it and roll with it and it goes in some pretty cool directions. So Quentin had the idea of take it away.
Speaker 2:Quentin, if the world was ending or the end of the world, and what is the independent Scientologist's viewpoint on the end of the world?
Speaker 1:That's a good question. Yeah. Arthur you want to play a baseline?
Speaker 3:Well, I'm going to say that the intention would be to maximize the most of your existence here while you're here in this vessel that would be what I would say Scientology would aim towards but then also to secure a healthier future ongoing as far as you know, becoming operating Phaeton, where you can choose what happens after you drop this body and move into the next phase of existence, whatever that might be. You know that would include whatever technologies are around at the time. If we don't destroy our technologies to get to the end of the world, so to speak.
Speaker 1:And I know we've mentioned this in earlier podcasts, but this might be an underpinning and I find it very relative to Quentin's idea, for the idea of the podcast. This is from the Philadelphia Doctorate Course Lectures, arc Cycles and Automaticity. This is a couple paragraphs, so bear with me, guys. He says we wouldn't have a ghost of a chance right now unless Homo sapiens actually had slugged up from the mud to a point where he had a little leisure time. We happen to be going through a period when man has made himself relatively free by the use of the machine, just after a period when he was terribly enslaved by the machine the early days of industrialism, and just before the machine is employed for his utter enslavement. The reason you've got scientology is, to a large degree, right here. There's a little breathing period on earth. This is 1952. This is uh what 72 years ago. You've seen those curtains. He says sorry, I lost my place.
Speaker 1:I don't know how many years it is from here to the other, but you've already seen the slavery state start with Hiroshima. It became dangerous for knowledge to be disseminated. It became terribly important to them to shut all the boundaries on knowledge. You've seen those curtains shutting down. Those are the shades of night falling. The whole nonsense of thought police is moving right straight in the shades of night. We've got a very short time. It isn't the destruction of civilization by the atomic bomb, it's quote let's shut down the communication lines of knowledge here for a brief moment. We have them free and open. There's a tremendous urgency. Against that. It is real. It is going to happen here on Earth 72 years ago.
Speaker 2:Wow, that's exactly what's kind of going on, isn't it?
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's pretty full on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if you look at what's going on in the United States with these presidential executive orders and yeah, it's getting pretty scary there was one signed the other day that basically said laid it out that, and again, I'm not a political person Either way. I'm not a Republican or Democrat or independent or anything like that I stay out of politics. But this executive order said that what the president says and the Department of Justice says is the way that it goes and their interpretation is the rule of law. Especially with the Republican Congress. There's nothing stopping this. So we're running back into almost a feudalistic, oligarchical society in the United States and yeah, that's not good, especially when you have to have democracy.
Speaker 1:So that's something to take into consideration as well. Just briefly, but more so importantly, the shades of night With the advent of AI, with the advent of robotics, with the advent of a kill switch on the internet, with the advent of false information on the internet. On and on and on. This isn't a doom and gloom podcast, but this is some of the underpinnings that we're dealing with here. So, quentin, what does that quote lend to you for your podcast topic?
Speaker 2:Well, it's interesting because I mean, when I think about it from a scienceological perspective, you know, when LA talks about the shutdown of communication, of knowledge, you know, and how, that the end of the world is not like atomic bombs and explosions and you know volcanoes erupting all across the, you know, whatever Like it's actually more like the way this all kind of unfolds is that we stop communicating from an intelligent, in an intelligent way, and we stop operating from that kind of perspective, and so that really is interesting to me, that the decrease of intelligence is the beginning of the end.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm, yep, and there's a lot of information out there. David Icke has some TikTok videos. He's got a channel and several people have his stuff on TikTok and they're pretty long snippets where he talks about this.
Speaker 1:If you're the people in charge, not just governmentally, not just banking-wise, but you're the people in charge running this prison planet, you don't want critical thinkers, you don't want educated people. So what you do is you don't educate them, you just make them able to perform a function, paying interest, working a nine-to-five job. You don't give them out because you don't want to create any competition or enemies, and that's something that needs to be taken into consideration. When you look at what's happened to Scientology, as far as the subject itself being attacked and being looked at from a reactive mind viewpoint of A equals A equals A that the subject is the corporate church and the church has been fully, fully taken over and the information has been altered. So all you have left is the subject and anybody willing to disseminate that subject the way LRH originally intended it. So that's something to take into consideration as well.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I think it's also as well the way a lot of these things are written, because it's not just Scientology that predicts this. There are so many other philosophies that also predict the end of the world, and I'm curious in the sense, because the world versus the earth are two different things. So is it the world as we understand it now and, uh, have reached this point where we're so comfortable, um, in the way we are? Does that mean the end of human existence? Or does it mean, um, the I don't know the society we have now? Is it going to shift so dramatically it will become the end of the world as we know it or as we currently understand it, because the Earth itself is different to the world as such. We create the world on top of the Earth.
Speaker 1:Well, that's true. I mean you have the planet itself with an atmosphere and the, the biome that exists on it. But, um, you know the the outlook right now from a lot, a lot of uh, digital pundits, uh, is that we are going to see, in the next six years, an increase of magnitude 25 or better years in six years at a minimum, technologically and when you look at the shades of night and the technology of this, just because it's on the internet doesn't make it true. Well, take that and multiply it way out there, and what information can be manipulated and what you're being told, what you're seeing, you know. I mean, you look at these deep fakes that AI can do in video and everything like that. You wouldn't know the difference with some of the capabilities with AI, and you have to be aware of these things and know what you're seeing is true. I mean, it comes down to the verbal tech checklist Did the person that write it have the authority to write it?
Speaker 1:Basically, did they have the authority to create the video? Is it real, is it a real source, that type of thing? And that's that's. The real question is, is what is what I'm seeing, what I'm reading, what I'm hearing? Is it the real thing? Because you can recreate lrh's voice and you can start putting lectures out there and make him say things he didn't say, as an example, or trump, or, uh, anybody else of any authority, putin. So that's, that's something that we need to be wary of. But the thing I think that the positive thing is is that we do have the tools and that they can be used, and it is something that you should run up the bridge, not not walk, not tarry. You should get there as soon as possible, because it's there for a fraction of the price, and the price is the time that you have left, whether it's the end of your world in the body you're in, or whether it's the end of the world as we know it the end of the world as we know it.
Speaker 2:The end of the world as we know it, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because we're looking at six years from now. You could have robot cars, robots in your house. You could be dealing with any number of things. I mean, you saw how different has the world changed with the advent of just something so small as a smartphone, as an example.
Speaker 3:That's an example the world has changed fundamentally because of it.
Speaker 2:And Art brings up a good point that just because the world is ending or the way things were is ending, doesn't necessarily mean that the earth is ending right. And so you know, are we running in terror of that? And I think LRH hit this spot on too. It is not about, you know, nuclear bombs dropping on your head. It's more about, like, what's going on in your head. It's like what inches into your head that really kind of makes all the difference. What inches into your head, that really kind of makes all the difference.
Speaker 1:Right. The sources that allow you to think a certain way or force you to think a certain way, is the knowledge. What knowledge are you getting and is it the correct information? That's the biggest thing to me. Does the knowledge still exist? Are you being given that knowledge? Are you being given something that's completely different to get you to respond a certain way? And typically it's problem reaction solution, the powers that be cause a problem, to get you to react a certain way in order for them to pose the solution that they want you to go into. It's not much different from being a sheep and being herded by a sheepdog.
Speaker 3:And I think as well, like even participating in those games, even emotionally or mentally, will create the agenda behind it as well. And I don't like to use the word agenda, but, um, you know, the more we buy into these, these things fake and like even just just taking the energy to see if something is fake or if it's verified, that's an enormous amount of energy that you're putting towards something that's potentially fake. And if we look at what's real in this earth, what is real? Like are all these concepts even real? You know, they're just. They're just games.
Speaker 3:So, you know, if enough of us step out of the game, is that enough to continue our existence? And by not playing the game means not putting your attention towards it, because the more attention you put towards it, the more you're creating of it. You know we're talking about this as a concept now and while we're talking about it, we're actually talking about these things making them real just by discussing them whereas if we didn't discuss, them and and literally focused on what we should be doing and could be doing for our lives and a greater humanity, then wouldn't that combat, in a sense, these kinds of dynamics?
Speaker 1:sure. Now, on the opposite side of that, uh, and and you know it's, it's, it's not an argument, it is, uh, just a point that arc and krc are connected triangles and knowledge, responsibility and control. You would be remiss if you didn't point certain things out to people, but you have to point them out in such aiss if you didn't point certain things out to people, but you have to point them out in such a way that you don't cause more re-stimulation than they can handle. As a general rule that's how auditing works is you re-stimulate one little thing and you handle it, and another little thing and you handle it and another little thing, and that adds up to a series of key-outs, like the Scientology grades, and then you get a release. Or in Dianetics, you find physical somatics and you handle all the different somatics through the guise of different ways that an engram can be made You've got heat, you've got electrical, you've got pain, all this stuff, and you re-stimulate those and you erase them. But in order to get somebody to run a process, you have to at least re-stimulate them enough to go oh yeah, this could happen.
Speaker 1:So it's a fine line of keying people in or making them aware and doing it. The best way that you can is it's not really terribly healthy to doom and gloom people into doing something, which is basically what I think you're saying. But at the same time, people are at different levels on the tone scale and when they're at different levels on the tone scale, they're going to take that information and one person's going to see it through red lenses, another green, another blue, and then you have people high tone people who go yeah, I get it. I see the point. I see that you know I need to do something, I need to be on course every day and I have this opportunity. There's nothing worse than having an opportunity and missing it because it wasn't on the calendar that the internet shut down, or, uh, you got hit by a bus on a tuesday afternoon or you know whatever.
Speaker 1:So why put, why put off? You know until tomorrow what you can do today, and being aware of the information puts you in krc with your own environment, to where you can be more at cause. That's why lrh put this stuff out. There is he realized this. He wrote the hat up, passed it off. Information puts you in KRC with your own environment, to where you can be more at cause. That's why LRH put this stuff out there. He realized this. He wrote the hat up, passed it off to us. And we're supposed to take that hat, assimilate it and pass it off to somebody else, because you can't be OT for long without taking responsibility for the hat and getting into the hands of the next guy.
Speaker 1:I mean you know, I didn't want next guy. I mean you know, I, I didn't want to, I didn't know, I didn't want to edit, when I was getting trained at flag that somebody said well, you're going to be running an independent scientology organization and you're going to have, uh, 200 podcasts and you're going to live in south africa and you're going to meet this these guys, arthur and quentin, and they're going to live in different places. And we're going to meet these guys, arthur and Quentin, and they're going to live in different places, and we're going to do this over video chat.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. So you know, if you looked at that now and you say, where are we going to be at in five or six years? I mean the sky's the limit, given how quickly things are changing, both geopolitically, technologically. Things are changing at a more rapid rate than they ever have in the three of our and our listeners' existence ever. It's just you're not seeing what's changing and what's going on.
Speaker 1:Going on now you can, you can jujitsu that shit and you can take that and you can use it to your advantage in order to stay standing, but 75% of all fights end up on the ground. Well, I mean, you know, that's, know, that's. The viewpoint is, you've got these averages and these laws and even though you might be a black belt in jiu-jitsu, 75% of the time it's going to end up on the ground and there's going to be a tussle. And to the degree that you know how to get out of that tussle is to the degree that you're surviving. Because what does he say in Dianetics? What is the urge, the prime urge of a being to survive. So if we're talking about the end of the world, we're talking about the end of the world. What state? What's the optimum state you should, should you be in.
Speaker 1:He mentions this in Keeping Scientology Working. I just did a star rate with a student here at the org yesterday on Keeping Scientology Working and every time I read it I get something else out of it and it rekindles even more than before having read it and that, look, you've got an opportunity. You need to avail yourself of it, because it might not come this way again or for a very, very long time. This is your chance Now. You can either get on the train. You can either get on the train or you can miss the train and walk and maybe, maybe you'll get there or dot, dot, dot.
Speaker 2:Well, and it's interesting because when I think about how the world ends and how we kind of, I don't look at it as an explosion right, I look at it as more as an explosion right, I look at it as a more of an implosion.
Speaker 2:Yeah, um, and in fact in the uh lecture, uh, the universe of a thetan, lrh talks about how, um, a thetan like kind of creates this, like this world is created by a series of overts that kind of collapses in on themselves, right.
Speaker 2:So it's like you're a big, big, big being, right, with limitless capabilities, limitless power, limitless all this stuff or whatever, and you drop down from the eighth dynamic, which is infinity, to the seventh, which is, uh, individuated spirit, you know spiritual beings and all that stuff like this, and then you drop down from there to the sixth and to the fifth, and then he says he is liable on the upper dynamics One way or the other.
Speaker 2:He is liable to such a degree that after a while he begins to believe it is not possible to have one or the other of the dynamics and, believing that it is not possible, he drops them out of his curriculum, he drops them out of his activities entirely and he gets more and more separated, more and more individuated. He gets less and less part of the dynamics and more and more part of some dislocated, aberrated condition that is him. This blew my mind right that you start off as this super big, powerful, infinite capability being and you drop, drop, drop, drop to this rugged individualism and dog eat dog and I got to fight for what's mine and this whole thing. And he says this world is created by connection of a series of overts. Such is life, yeah such is life.
Speaker 1:It's a solution to a problem.
Speaker 2:Right, supposedly right, and it's an aberrated solution to a problem that we keep committing these overrides against each other and one another and society and logic and thinkingness, and whatever we commit all these overrides, these are solutions. It's, you know what is the GPM? Gold, pop and Fast, and it's like these things just keep on collapsing in on us till we have this implosion of self, and this is why you got the anxiety. That's what anxiety is Like I don't know what to do with me. You know this is why you have this. You know this. All this stuff is like I don't know how to function in this. This stuff is like I don't know how to function in this, because this is, this is what life supposedly is supposed to be about, but it's really a whole bunch of overts, you know right, and you, as a being, don't want to.
Speaker 1:Don't want to play that game yeah, because once you have overts, you're cut off from the powers of observation, because now you're withholding, yeah, and once you're withholding and and this, this goes directly into, uh, what l11 does for a person. I mean, how did, how was your universe before you did l11 to how was your universe after you did l? As an example? Oh, man?
Speaker 2:yeah, absolutely, it's you. You get these, you get these overs off. Well, you get these overs off as stuff it all expands so massively because you're not lessening yourself. That's what the L's is all about. You're not lessening yourself. I don't know if the L's don't stand for lessening, but you're not doing that.
Speaker 1:It, could, it, could, it, could, it could. Yeah, you know the L stands for listing and nulling, but the thing is is you know that's just the procedure, the one really the most powerful procedure that we have in auditing is listing and nulling. Yeah, once you have a particular valence that you can, you say, okay, this and you're taking on your. Well, let's just look at it from PTS tech and this is probably something I haven't said on a podcast before, this is my own realization you can DPTS a person, all you want, all you want. But if you haven't emancipated them from this beautiful big blue marble called Earth to that degree, they are still somewhat a potential trouble source.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and how you become a potential trouble source is you take on valences, and how a suppressive becomes a suppressive is it's the GPM. If you can't beat them, what survival or the appearance of survival is? You have to join them and be like them. Once you've done that, now you have the overts and withholds stacking up of being them, because that's the way you survive. So of course, you're going to have overts and withholds because you're being a valence or taking on the valence of a suppressor, because you had to join them, because you couldn't beat them. And then you start withholding yourself in another valence, not even your own, and there's a stack, a stack of valences that a being has, and this applies on the third dynamic as well.
Speaker 1:When you look at what's going on here on earth, or you look at what's going on in this sector or sectors, or this galaxy, you still see these dramatizations that are going on. So the best thing to do is get off the overrides and withholds or the valences that you've been in or you still have, that you operate off of, so that you're no longer withholding. That allows you to now do as you. You don't have a valence, you are you. There's no such thing as my valence, there is only you. But to be you, you have to clear out other valences in order to be able to function properly and reach, reach for things in order to be able to do them, and if you can't reach them, there's no way you're going to get them done.
Speaker 2:So I like it. I like it when you preach like that I mean, you know, that's that, that's.
Speaker 1:That's. The thing is, you're dealing with these shoelaces back and forth. Who or what would oppose a lion tamer, okay, well, well, the lion ate me. So I need to have the valence of a lion, because what I was doing didn't, didn't help me survive. And now I'm dead and I'm in the line of the, my body is in the lion's stomach, okay. So now I'm going to be a lion, okay, and then the lion gets beat up and you being a lion, now you're like okay, who or what would oppose a lion back to this other valence, whatever that is.
Speaker 1:So you take on these valences and you have these valences as part of the reactive mind or the composite case, reactive mind and there are lots of reactive minds there and you handle these things to where you can now reach in areas that you haven't been able to reach in for Trillinia. Now you can play a real game and it puts your doingness back in your control. In other words, you're playing a game you want to play as far as doingness goes. You're not being played by the universe of overt withhold motivator, that type of thing, and that's what slows us down, and LRH realized this, and this was the mechanism of it and part of it is the goals. Problems, mass.
Speaker 3:Yeah, wow.
Speaker 2:Go ahead. No, that's right Go ahead.
Speaker 1:No, that's right, go ahead.
Speaker 2:No, I was just going to say.
Speaker 2:And when we come to these realizations and return to our own valence which is not a misnomer return to ourselves and become more of ourselves and recognize who we really are, that then you're no longer able to be duped, you're no longer able to be controlled or less likely to be duped or less likely to be controlled, because, again, I already said it before that the fall of this world, the end of this world, really is about the cutting off of the communication of knowledge. And so when you have an entire sector, entire group that is really, really dedicated to getting you this kind of knowledge, when you have an organization like AOGP that is really interested in getting the knowledge to people, getting you trained, getting you really had it to life, had it to self, and then helping you through all of these goals, problems, masses, helping you through all of this stuff, helping you with the L's so that you're no longer lessening yourself, that's what I'm going to call them. I'm going to call it the lessening 11. And I'm going to love it.
Speaker 1:Well, that's really what it is. Because you're holding yourself back because of overts and withholds, through valences, you're spotting the lessenings that you, you've done. You've cut your reach.
Speaker 3:That's, that's what it's all yeah, and when you?
Speaker 1:have a third and fourth dynamic that is, cutting their reach. Because what is what is knowledge? What's the, the, the term right above it's awareness? And your awareness is cut by overts and withholds, and you can't see things for the way that they are because of the withholdiness of an overt that disallows you to be able to see things for what they are, to be able to see things for what they are. And then, at the bottom of this, you've got misunderstood concept, word or symbol, which is your first and second phenomenon of misunderstood word, is where an overt comes from. Is there something there you didn't understand? And so that is that. Well, if I can't beat them, join them. Well, you could have beat them if you understood the mechanisms of what's going on. You can't be a potential trouble source to a suppressive personality. If you haven't wait for it, if you haven't committed an overt against the suppressive, there you go. You see how that loops back.
Speaker 2:That's good. Hold on a second. Say it again you cannot be suppressed by a suppressive personality if you have not committed an overt against the suppressive.
Speaker 1:That's right, because you are at cause until you do something to a suppressive that you wouldn't want done to you. That takes you from cause to effect Effect.
Speaker 2:And now you become the effect of.
Speaker 1:And now you become the effect of, and when you're around suppressive personalities, they will set you up to put you in this catch-22 where I'm damned if I do or damned if I don't, and you feel like you have no choice but to do something against them as an overt to survive. Then they've got you, then they've got you, and then that's how you start going down the path of becoming or snapping in and becoming the suppressive because you can't reach. Now You've done something to them and they keep beating you up and keep beating you up and you can't reach. More and more can't reach. And then you're like, well, can't beat them, I'll join them. And so you snap in and become that valence because it's the only way to survive.
Speaker 1:Look at Nazi Germany. You know a lot of the Germans. They didn't have any choice. They were just like, well, this is looking really bad. And they start committing overts against them. And then they start to go into agreement. And then I mean, you know, this is also how you get Stockholm syndrome as well. Yeah, yeah, you know, because it's justified, that they are your captors. And then a little later on, all of a sudden you become like Hitler and you become a brown shirt and then you're going out and doing all kinds of nasty things. This is just only one example. But that's the thing. Don't commit the overts. Keep your ethics in. Know, when you see a suppressive, get away from it. I mean, you know, get away from it. Uh, I mean, you know I'm gonna go political here, but you see people leaving the united states because they can no longer abide by what they see going on politically and I respect. I respect that because what they're doing is they're trying to keep their ethics in and say I'm disconnecting because I can't handle.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and it's not a game that I want to play, right, like the truth of the matter is and when I look at you know whether it be companies or corporations that are out there, you know the you start to see who kind of goes rank and file with what's happening, what's going on, and you can kind of take a look and be like what are your overs here? Like what's going on really, because you, you seem to got right in step with what's going on. You seem to get right in step with it. What are you really hiding? What did you really do? You know what I mean? What do they have on? You Could be used to get you in line.
Speaker 1:Right and you look at the Scientology and Dynetics axioms, in order to play a game, you have to agree to become aberrated. You have to agree to become aberrated. You have to agree to become aberrated. So, when you disconnect from something that appears to you because I mean, you know, this goes back to all of the podcasts that we've talked about the Code of Honor and integrity and all of this stuff where, if you look at the code of honor and you look at people leaving a country because of changes politically, they're keeping their code of honor in for them and that's something that is to be respected, whether you agree with what's going on or not.
Speaker 1:When people say I'm moving to Greece or I'm going to wherever outside of the United States, and they have the ability to do that, of course that's expensive and all of that it takes money, but the thing is is you have to look at it and go.
Speaker 1:What am I agreeing with? What am I agreeing with that allows me to keep my integrity in as best I can? And when you agree and agree to become aberrated which is the left side of the spectrum, so to speak then you are now culpable for being there and communicating, which is one of the two things you can be guilty of. And then there is over and under estimation of effort so you look at 8 billion people doing this. If you have the awareness and you have the knowledge, then you can do something about it for your first dynamic, and then your second, and then your third, and then your fourth, like you were mentioning earlier, how you drop down to where you get myopic and you get all caught up in one dynamic and then your other dynamics flounder because you're just trying to survive. Why is it you're trying to just survive? What is it that's making you just survive and not flourish and prosper?
Speaker 2:Prosper yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and it's interesting something you said earlier as well reaching a point where you're ready to play a real game. That really struck me, as opposed to running around, you know, trying to pay your rent and make a few dollars, um, just to survive, right like you said playing a real game, taking something by the horns and creating your own universe yeah, whatever that looks like.
Speaker 1:I'm going to cross a boundary here, begging both of you to come here to the org and do services in person. We've got three places, three rooms, we've got a course room, we've got three auditing rooms and when you get everybody in, every everybody in the same room, there is this palpable groupiness, this third dynamic thing. And now you've got OTs working in numbers and you get this critical mass and you create this theta bubble and it goes and it gets bigger, bigger and all of a sudden other. All your other dynamics start getting in alignment because you're playing the game you want to play, as opposed to the game of just trying to survive. Everything else works out. Everything else works out when you, when you do that and you have a positive agreement of a game and you go well, what about this and what about that? My bills and I got to find somebody to work for me and I. You know that's because that's the game you're caught up in. But when you get your dynamics in alignment and you decide I'm going OT and I'm going to help somebody else go OT and I'm going to be there and I'm going to be this radical theta viewpoint of having somebody else in the same room, and there's this interchange because it's a two-terminal universe, now it's a four-terminal universe.
Speaker 1:We've got two auditors in training here.
Speaker 1:You've got me, now you've got two guys, and then, the next thing, you know, two other guys contact us out of the blue. Now, when I say guys, men, women, whatever, and because there's this group and Thetans know where Theta is. That's why we do this podcast. But the thing is is when you get them in the same room and they're on course and they're having wins, and they're going in session and they're getting somebody else in session, and all of this, all of a sudden, it just it expands like mushrooms and then, all of a sudden, the next thing, you know, now we have a brick and mortar org and more flows are coming in and people are talking.
Speaker 1:Quentin's getting more phone calls for his business, artie's getting more phone calls for his business and he's not even there. You know, it's inexplicable how this happens, but this is how flows work, is they come in from other places. When you start playing the game, you know you should be playing instead of the physical universe saying, yeah, but there's this distraction and that distraction, but I have all these things that I have to handle. It doesn't work that way, and that's basically what you're saying, arthur is that's the game you know you should be playing.
Speaker 3:And it's interesting because just hearing you talk, I'm trying to think within my own mind space what my capability is and the greatest thing I can conceive is actually really small, right. And I struggle going beyond that smallness and I kind of consider, like some of the great men in the world you know, like Hitler, one man. You know I don't condone what he did, but it was pretty incredible. You know what? I don't condone what he did, but it was pretty incredible.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean Christ Gandhi, you know these are single beings that impacted the world to such a degree that, in some way, we're still affected by that. Yeah, yeah, you know single individuals. You know mother Teresa, um, you know these, these people, even Julius Caesar, for example. I mean, yes, they're very conquering ways of doing things, but they're not small things at all.
Speaker 1:No, and you know the people around them. I mean that's you look at those guys, every single one of those guys, and we're not talking about good or bad, but it takes making a third dynamic. And when you start getting a third dynamic done, you look at what LRH did and all of the things that he pulled off and you know, I should know running an org, you know, I mean it is incredible, incredible the amount of flows that come in and people are asking for help and they don't have any money and it's like, well, you know, what can I do for this person? I had it happen today, this morning, but right as I got up, well, I'm not going to not help them, I'm going to have to do that. But the thing is is you get to a point to where you're pulling in these flows and people are asking for help, which they deserve, and you have to figure out how to either take care of it yourself or give it to somebody else to handle or this type of a thing, because everybody needs help in some way on some dynamic. But when you start having a lot of people in the same room, not just virtually, but a lot of people in the same room working in that direction of helping one another and helping other people. All of a sudden, now you have 20 people where you had four and then you have 80 people where you had 20 people, because there is this terminal that pulls in these flows and outflows to other people and the exchange increases back and forth. This is how you prevent the end of the world. Prevent the end of the world, but it has to start somewhere. I don't want to work 12 hours a day or 15 hours a day or whatever, but I also enjoy what it is that I do and if I'm helping people, okay, I have to work 12 or 15 hours a day and that's what you have to do until you have a larger group where you can now work eight hours a day and you can take off three days a week and work four days a week because you're getting so much done, because now you have a group and you're pulling in money from places you never thought possible, because you're taking care of yourself.
Speaker 1:Just like Quentin said earlier in his quote from the lecture, is that you have to start outflowing towards those other dynamics in your game. In your game, if you're not successful and you're getting a strong headwind, then you're not playing the game you should be playing in order to pull in the flows that you need to be pulling in. And I guarantee you I said this to Quentin this morning I promise, I promise, I promise this is what will happen and it always does when you get on your real purpose. That doesn't mean the other things that you're doing are off purpose, but you're seeing your purpose. You're seeing your purpose is not being met because if it was, you wouldn't be struggling. You're not playing the game you should be playing and that's no make wrong to anybody listening to this podcast. It's just saying you haven't found your real muse. You think you have, but you haven't.
Speaker 1:Whatever that is, but I guarantee you that when you start going up the bridge and you start handling this charge, which is a third and fourth dynamic charge, when you, especially when you get on the OT levels LRH even talks about how this directly affects the third dynamic and all of a sudden the phone starts ringing and you're getting in flows in your other areas that are your other second and third tier games and now you're making a lot of money and if you're a dentist, you've got more people that want their teeth cleaned and crowns and all that stuff.
Speaker 1:And you're like well, why wasn't that happening before? It's because your first dynamic, your first dynamic, needs to be the game you need to be playing, and that is dynamics in Scientology, and it opens the flows like nothing else and they'll come from the weirdest places. That's how you prevent the end of the world, because, I assure you, it doesn't take a lot of people to turn things around on this planet, because you're dealing with the fourth dynamic on the OT levels. But you've got to get there and you've got to start doing that, from the solo course to OT1, to OT2, ot3, new OT5. And that's how you handle this stuff.
Speaker 2:So, per LRH, when you talked about how this world is created, with these series of overs collapsing you down to your first dynamic and this whole, I must survive, kind of mindset, I have to survive, kind of mindset, right? So what I'm hearing you say is is that the way to reverse that curse? The way to reverse that is to position yourself, to explode, expand, to get out of this first dynamic and start getting out into a larger purpose, a larger sphere of influence of the, the higher dynamics except he calls them the upper dynamics Getting back into those upper dynamics, and so you're actually expanding yourself. So the way to reverse it is to expand, not contract.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I got that. That's right. You're gonna have to do more and expand out, because if it isn't doing what it needs to be doing, the answer is always get up the bridge. It isn't anything else, it isn't. I've seen this time and time and time and time and time again. You have to expand out across those dynamics through auditing, solo auditing, and then you'll find that things start really opening up.
Speaker 1:Every one of my PCs has said things just changed overnight. The phone started ringing when I started going in session or I went on course and I got this information and I know, if you know you're doing everything you can, all of a sudden the flow is reversed. Even if you haven't gotten to the destination of the solo course, you haven't gotten to the destination of the expanded grades, when you know you're putting in the work, you're putting in the effort, it's changing now and you're going to see that response and kind from the physical universe in the form of flows that you can confirmation bias go. Oh, the phone started ringing. Oh, this changed. Oh, I got this loan for this building, for my new apartment building project, or whatever. It just starts happening. It just starts happening. That's why the OT levels, lower level, bridge, grade, auditing and everything like that.
Speaker 1:Do what they do Because you have to get it. You have to run up the bridge. When you go slow, life goes slow. Your flows go slow. When you know that you're knocking it out of the park every day and you feel good about it. That's when things change overnight. Putting in the work that stops the end of the, putting in the work that stops the end of the world, and it can and it will. It doesn't take a lot of people. Amen.
Speaker 2:I love your praise, lord. Yeah, this is how we're doing it. This is exactly how we're doing it. You know what I love about for people who are, you know, listening to this podcast wherever you are on planet Earth fact that the ALGP is positioned to serve humanity, no matter where they are on planet Earth, as long as they have, you know, ability to communicate. That's fantastic. It's absolutely fantastic.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and just this last week we've opened our doors here at the org and we've got room for many people to come and do services and be on course and get in session with one of our auditors For lack of a better expression. We do have a brick-and-mortar org now and I want people to come and I want them to come and spend a month, two months, three months and get their services in person as well as virtually. It's a lot better and a lot quicker to get it done in person, where you can go in session two, three times a day and you can be on course and you can get this stuff knocked out and get it finished quickly. South Africa is beautiful right now and it's nice and warm. Down here the winters are very mild 70 degree days in basically the North American version of January, which would be June, july and August. It's still 70 degrees, 65 degrees, sunny. It's a beautiful place. It's just like LA, just a little windier sometimes. But we want you to come down, we want you to do the services. We're trying to get Arthur here, we're trying to get Quentin here. We have students on course right now.
Speaker 1:There's all kinds of things to see. We have Addo Elephant Park, where you can go out and you can see all of the African wildlife within 15 minutes of the org. There's another one five minutes away from the org where you can see everything except the most dangerous the beasts. There's so many things to do. We're five minutes away from a crystal blue beach with white sand, no trash, dolphins and whales offshore that you can see. This is what we got for you. We want you to come here. We want you to do services. If you can't do the virtual services, until you can Come, do services. Come see us and be part of a third and fourth dynamic. We're here and we want you to do this. We're going to be advertising this in every podcast forward, so any closing statements here.
Speaker 1:Guys, I got to get in session with a PC here in five minutes. Any closing statements?
Speaker 2:I just know that we're just going to do it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you just got to do it Once you decide, that's all it is. It's a decision, it's a posture, but quentin 100.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I just know that. You know, as, as the world turns and as things shift and change in our society, and I like how arthur um made the distinction between the end of the planet and the end of this current way of expressing and the current way of operating, like I think what we're talking about here really is how are you going to what? How am I and I'll speak for myself how am I going to position myself as things change in my environment? Am I going to be able to adapt and to be able to create my own universe, my own world within the world as we know it? And I think that that's what I've been really keen on for many years now.
Speaker 2:Some years ago, I was into a whole prepping. Um, for many years now, some years ago, I was into a whole prepping. You know the prepping lifestyle where, you know, I had stuff prepared just in case, you know, something happens or whatever. But now I'm more of let me prepare me. You know, let me prepare me. Uh, the, the, the cupboards are nice, and you know, the bank accounts are nice and all that stuff is wonderful, you know, but let me prepare me in case something happens, and if I'm, if I'm me and I'm prepared to do me, I can do me effectively, no matter what.
Speaker 1:So that's right, let's do it, and that's that's where. Where it starts is it's got to start there, ground zero. Well, for Quentin and Artie. We hope you guys enjoyed this podcast and, uh, we will have another one we're going to do tomorrow to try and at least get two out tomorrow. We hope you enjoyed it and we'll see you then, namaste, and we love you. Bye-bye.
Speaker 3:Bye-bye Peace, thank you, thank you.