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SE10EP25 - SURVIVAL and Intention
Are you merely surviving in life, or are you truly living with intention? Join us for a deep dive into the complex interplay between survival and intention in our latest podcast episode, where we unpack just how these concepts shape our lives. From exploring historical perspectives within the framework of Scientology to uncovering the psychological mechanics that underpin our choices, we aim to illuminate the finer nuances that influence our everyday experiences.
Through engaging conversations, our hosts dissect how survival isn’t just about existing; it's about the quality of our intentions that guides us toward a more meaningful journey. We examine the differences between healthy and unhealthy survival instincts and how these choices can either enhance or jeopardize our well-being. The episode provides real-life examples, showcasing how personal intentions can directly reflect in our behavior, whether through emotional eating, relationship dynamics, or career choices.
As we weave through their discussions, key concepts such as attention and impingement are revealed, shedding light on how our cravings for external validation can influence our survival strategies. The dialogue encourages listeners to question their own positions—are the intentions they hold genuinely contributing to their survival, or are they rooted in patterns that no longer serve their purpose?
To enrich the conversation, we delve into how necessity levels inform our intentions, pushing us to reassess what true survival means in today’s world. By offering a fresh perspective on these familiar topics, our discussion invites you to reflect on your path, urging you to mold your intentions into tangible actions.
This episode is not just an exploration but a compelling invitation for self-reflection and growth. We urge you to listen, engage with the ideas presented, and consider how they can reshape your approach to survival in a purpose-driven manner. Join us on this transformative journey, and don't forget to subscribe for more enlightening discussions.
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Hi everybody and welcome to another Scientology Outside of the Church podcast brought to you by the Advanced Org of the Great Plains and collegeofindependentscientologycom. Ao-gporg is our flagship website and the college is a social media platform and online course room. I'm here with Arthur Mudakis and we're going to do Season 10, episode 25, almost at 150 podcasts Kind of hard to believe. Pretty good, that's pretty good, it's a lot. Pretty good, that's pretty good, it's a lot. And we're going to do a podcast on survival and intention.
Speaker 1:Survival and intention what's the difference? Are they the same? What does intention have to do with survival? What does survival have to do with intention? Like LRH says, intention is cause. So let's start there. Obviously, survival is the uh, ultimate dianetic goal as far back as 1948 with the book, the original thesis, which was the basically a bridge concept of Dianetics, the modern science of mental health, and was given to some publishing houses to drum up interest in the book Dianetics. So way back then. Survival that survive and survival is is what a Satan spirit being does, at least in the physical universe, trying to survive. And this is important because one can survive and not have much intention. Or one can survive and have a lot of intention, and intention is cause, as we just mentioned. So this is an interesting conundrum. What's the difference? This was Arthur's idea, his little kernel. So, arthur, what say ye?
Speaker 2:Well, I say intention and survival doesn't discriminate, say intention and survival doesn't discriminate. It doesn't discriminate in the sense that it doesn't matter what your intention is, you'll act it out, whether your intention based on your, your current survival situation, your intention could be a bad idea or it could be a good idea. It could be a healthy idea, an unhealthy idea, it could be based on physical body urges, um, and while I'm sort of thinking about it, I think all our intention is based on our survival and how you know how to survive. Well, and that's the question mark, isn't it Like what's healthy survival and what's unhealthy survival? Because I mean, from what I understand from the body, it'll do everything in its power to keep you alive for as long as possible. And so even if you're making unhealthy choices based on your survival.
Speaker 2:So let's say somebody emotionally eating, for example, in their survival in their body they've got an emotion or something lacking or something missing, missing, and this is just an example, and so they'll try and fill that space with food.
Speaker 2:And other people might try and fill that space with intimate contact with somebody else if they've got a emptiness within inside of themselves, and it's a survival base. And then if they don't know better or have the tools to fill those spaces, they may make very unhealthy intentions based on their survival and their survival need and so, with the overeater, try and fill that void with overeating. But then what's interesting as well, then their survival becomes compromised and then they'll try and set healthier intentions. But if they don't know how to set those healthier intentions, they'll just continue overeating. As an example, or let's say you know on the other side somebody who seeks constant intimate relationships to fill a void of comfort, emotion, that kind of thing then their survival might drive intentions towards unhealthy decisions that really compromise their morals and not even know it. But unless they consider those things and reshape them, learn the life skills, learn the tools to create something healthier, then I think the outcome will determine someone's survival, whether it's a healthy survival or an unaligned healthy survival.
Speaker 1:Right, and valences play a role in that as well, and a valence is a solution to a problem. So if, as LRH says, a being takes on the weaker valence because that is the valence that gets the most attention, then that's what they will do to survive, whatever that valence is, whether it's mama or papa, or brother or sister or what have you, whoever gets the most attention is the basically the wrong calculation that they're using in order to survive, and it requires the least amount of intention. Because you've got these two, two things, this, these two poles attention and intention. So the second greatest particle below admiration in this universe is attention. You see this in the media and social media and all this stuff. You know it's, it's what gets attention these days, that's, that's the likes, that's the subscribes, all that stuff and that's but the opposite side of that, and you could say that attention. Well, let me ask you this what's cause and what's effect? Attention and intention? Which one is cause and which one is effect to you?
Speaker 2:Intention. Well, actually they're both kind of the same because, depending on your intention, will create a cause, which will create an effect, you know, and if your intention is attention, then you'll go into cause to to get a desired result.
Speaker 1:So you'll cause something for attention well, you're not wrong that wasn't where I that wasn't where I was headed, but you're not wrong. But but one has to look at what is the attention that one is getting. Is it theta, which is positive, or is it n theta?
Speaker 2:that is well if we take it back a step further, before you even get to attention or intention. What's going on for the being to want to cause certain results?
Speaker 1:Well, that's true, because as a baby, you have to have attention to survive as a child. You have to have attention to survive as a teenager. Now you're looking for attention from another dynamic roundabout puberty and then you get into your 20s. You're still looking for that attention because the early 20s are the procreate period and you tend to be driven by the hormone slave to the hormone and so you're looking for attention. If you're lucky and you start putting your and this is there's a difference here because you've got attention, as in an inflow, which is others to you, or you have attention which is you to others, which is flow two. So which one is senior, flow one or flow two, getting attention or giving attention. This is all pro-TRs, professional training, routines, training regiments, data, and this also has to do with impingement. People are going to go what's that? Well, impingement is getting something across. It's getting your intention across to get, and you're on ProTR, so this is good. You're getting your intention across, looking to see that somebody has attention on you. This is Axiom 28 in the Scientology Actions communication formula you have to have attention while you're giving intention to receive something back. So if you don't, you know you're a low talker, hey, or you've't. You know you're a low talker, hey, or you got hey, because that's when you're impinging, you're getting across. So survival is directly correlated to intention, but with the observation of attention on the other end. If you're playing catch with somebody and you're throwing a baseball and they're not paying attention, they're going to get beamed in the head with the ball. So you need to make sure they're paying attention.
Speaker 1:So survival, attention and intention and impingement Because if you don't, this is something you learn in regular TRs as well is that you have to impinge in life. To the degree that you impinge, you're getting it in there. It's getting a needle into the skin or getting a drill into the wood. To the degree that you're pushing that drill into the wood, whether it's by hand or electrically or pneumatically you have to do enough to get in there, to create some sort of an effect in order to countersink a screw, for example. If you don't press hard enough or you don't have the right drill bit which is the intention you're not going to get in there. So how can you survive without having enough intention? And this is an analog to everything else in life if you don't impinge, you don't drive it in, it's not going to get across and you're not going to be able to survive, and this is the key concept in life. Can you impinge?
Speaker 2:So impinge, advance over an area belonging to someone or something else ie encroach and its derivative is encroach, so you actually have to occupy a space as well in order to impinge, whether it's mentally or physically right or verbally right per aller h, power is the ability to hold the position in space.
Speaker 1:So if you can't hold your position in space as a terminal, because it's a two-terminal universe, communication doesn't have to be two-way. Per the Scientology Actions, you can have communication with your environment and your environment is communicating with you. You can see that there are trees and the sun and the clouds and all of that. You go, oh, that's a beautiful sunset. Okay, that's communication. It's with yourself, but when it's with somebody else, you've got to impinge by holding a position in space, being a terminal and getting your intention across and your intention to some degree, greater or lesser, depending on the severity of the situation or the necessity of the situation, your impingement is going to be higher or lower. So survival is directly correlated to your ability to impinge upon your environment.
Speaker 2:Interesting, interesting One thing I realized with the communication course um, and just around, communication is, and it's interesting, the impinging aspect as well. So the way, the way communication can work, for so the sun is communicating with the tree using its rays, and then the tree is communicating with the earth, and then the tree can also be communicating with wildlife, with insects, or an even simpler thing, thing, um, if I have a cup of coffee on a table, you know, the coffee is communicating with the cup, which is communicating with the table, which is communicating with the floor it's sitting on, which is communicating with floorboards, which is communicating with, um, with with the ground, which is communicating with the core, and it just goes on and on, and on. And they're all impinging on each other. Right, but are they attention or intention? Because I'm the one driving the intention to put the cup on the table? But they're all at attention because they are where they are and they're all also impinging on each other.
Speaker 1:This just started. This just started getting deep. Hang on, folks, put your seatbelts on. Here we go. Deep dive commences.
Speaker 1:We're going to do a little bean burn in here, and those are great, great concepts, because there are certain things that a thetan does in the physical universe, with a body or in conjunction with a body. What you're doing in the physical universe is you're moving matter, energy, space and time around, per the Scientology axioms which can be found in the Scientology 0-8, the basic book, as well as a couple other places. So what you're doing is you're sort of like the physical universe is one big piece of clay. So we have these inherent things in the universe. We have resources, natural resources. Your body is one, and maybe you've never thought of that, but your body is a natural resource. It's a commodity. It only lasts for a certain period of time. It has a very narrow band within which it can operate as far as temperature, pressure, and this is something you have to take into consideration. And so what a thetan does is they move the physical universe around and they combine these constituents. You know, you've got all these things you add together as far as chemicals. Or you're moving earth around, you're taking trees and you're turning into a log cabin all of that stuff. But the thing is is that there is impingement going on. A seed impinges into the soil and puts in a taproot and then grows up a sprout and reaches up towards the sun and collects light in order to photosynthesize, so on and so forth. So there are other life forms that do the same thing that we do, but we combine these. We combine these things to a greater degree that we impinge upon the physical universe for better or for worse, the physical universe for better or for worse.
Speaker 1:So when you look at survival and intention, as you were talking about earlier, you have to take into consideration what is your intention, and it's not just what is an intention. You could have the intention to take the trees and turn it into a log cabin, but you have to look at, okay, what's the economy of that? How long is it going to take me to cut these trees down? How long is it going to take me to peel the bark off? How long is it going to take me to cut these things and lift them up and move them on to other trees to make a log cabin? You know, and so on and so forth, depending on what age of society you're living in, as far as the tools you have and everything.
Speaker 1:So theta is cause over the universe, the physical universe, to the degree that it has an intention of survival. So that's where necessity level comes in. What is your necessity? Your necessity is right before intention.
Speaker 1:So to the degree that you have a necessity level is to the degree that your intention is pro-survival, what's the necessity of this? I need a roof over my head, I need the rain to not give me a cold or make me sick or something like that where the body dies. So survival and intention go hand in hand, but one is cause and one is effect and you have to flip those back and forth. I need to survive. Here's my intention. I'm surviving better Now.
Speaker 1:I don't have to use as much intention, but necessity level drives you to do other things, to combine these constituents of the physical universe, mold them around. And you know, now we're, we're post-industrialism and everything's made for us. And, like you were saying, you know the cup sits on the counter, this and that and all that stuff. But all of these things are made by a thetan or an agreement, because there's three universes per the Scientology axioms there's yours, mine and the agreed upon universe. So to the degree that we have agreement with necessity level is to the degree that we further along survival as an agreement on the third and the fourth dynamic, and this is our reality. So that only goes so far, because to the degree that you are aware is to the degree that you are surviving and it's.
Speaker 2:It's interesting because all the steps required to create something, to cause an effect, are so infinitely close. You almost can't see the difference between the steps, the way they work all at the same time, but somehow separately. You couldn't tell the difference unless you spent the time breaking it down. And then, when you break it down, the steps actually look really big, but they're actually working all together at the same time. All together at the same time, unconsciously, like you're not even aware that there are multiple things going on when you're creating, even aware that there are multiple things going on when you're creating an intention Right In concert At all. Yeah, yeah, it's really, it's really. It's quite a beautiful orchestra.
Speaker 1:Well then, that's. That's to the degree that once you understand something, you can't be the adverse effect of it. So you have to have intention as cause and you have to understand how something works and this is what man, a thetan and a body throughout history is is well, we've learned how to do a particular activity and we share that information so that others can use it most of the time. Yep.
Speaker 2:Another thing I realize as well like in our current era, our survival isn't necessarily based on the wilderness. I believe our survival is based on other people, and that's absolutely true.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's all other people related somehow. And then, when you break that down, it could be income from another person or persons. So your job, your survival, is determined by another person. Your love, your relationships, is determined by other people. The food we eat is determined by other people, by farmers and by chemical companies. Our survival for health is other people related. What are we putting inside of our bodies when we need medication created by other people? The new wilderness we have to survive is other people related. It's not wild wilderness where we have to worry about being eaten by another animal. We're worrying now about being eaten by other people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, metaphorically, and in some cases, depending on where you're at on the planet, maybe You're near cannibals in Brazil, for example. How many people do you? And I know that their survival is completely based off of their own abilities.
Speaker 2:Not many, if any, to some degree right. Um, I mean, I could safely say what you've created through aogp, you've created your survival through your ability well, that's true, but I still rely on I mean, you know how?
Speaker 1:how literal do you want? Literal do you want to take it? My survival is created through what I know from somebody else that I'm passing the information on. I didn't create the information.
Speaker 2:I'm going to re-answer that and I'm going to say we all do.
Speaker 1:Right, tell me about that.
Speaker 2:Because depending right, tell me about that. Because depending on what you understand versus what you don't understand. Well, how do I explain that? We all do the best of our survival abilities, and I think, in the true sense of the word. I think a lot of our survival is based on ignorance as well, like not knowing that we can do better or be better, so it's quite innocent. So, therefore, we're all acting on our survival to our fullest intentions, according to what we believe is our intention, and if we don't know that, our intention can be expanded, can be molded.
Speaker 2:I remember a few years ago, or quite a few years ago, when I was studying hypnosis, there was a really famous hypnosis book and the title of the book was oh man, I just had it in my head Reality is plastic, and so if you break that down, your reality is like a piece of plasticine. And so, depending on how you mold and shape that plasticine, it will be. So if you had a ball of plasticine round ball and you pushed your finger into it, now you've indented that plasticine just by pushing your finger into it. If you choose to shape it into the form of a human, now you've created a human. If you stamp on it. Now it's squashed and stamped on. So I think the level of your imagination, the level of your capacity to think, will definitely determine your survival and your intention. So, to answer your question, we all work to the fullest of our capacity.
Speaker 1:Right. So, just like the plasticine, what you're doing every day is you're moving the coffee cup from the cupboard underneath the coffee maker, in my case, and then I turn it on and I connect the milk and I let the grinder do its thing and it creates the coffee and everything. Now I have a cup of coffee or an Italian cappuccino. Now, if I didn't know how to do that, I wouldn't be able to make an Italian cappuccino every morning. I rely on this machine to do it for me. But, like LRH says, you can't be the adverse effect of something you understand. Yes, to the degree that you can mold your reality is to the degree that you understand the universe around. You never met one of these people and then we got how to do this, and I don't know how to do that, and I want you to show them how to do everything. And they're uncertain about it and they're nervous, you know, and they're, they're a fearful avoidant, in other words, low confront, and they, they're, they're afraid of everything. So your impingement is directly correlated to your tone level, your amount of ARC, with the universe around you. So you can't intend if you're in fear.
Speaker 1:What are you doing when you're in fear? You're, like, you know, one of our cats. Just on my desk a moment ago, she's in fear, as her chronic tone level because of something that happened to her before I. Uh, I got her and uh, goose, we call her, she's, she's in fear, she runs, she's a scaredy cat, she runs away from everything. She's, she's in fear, whereas one of the other cats, he, has no fear whatsoever, which is that's why they have nine lives. But the thing is is he's, he's uptoned and he, he's adventurous, and you know all this stuff. So, to the degree that you have arc with your environment is to the degree that you can impinge upon your environment and be in control over it, is also an index of survival per lrh it's, yeah, it's, it's a tricky one, isn't it?
Speaker 2:um? Because even when we did the last podcast, I realized, while we're doing that, when you said, um, you know moving through all these things, so then you can start playing real games. And that really struck me, because it got me thinking if I was to play a real game, what would it be? And I still can't even bring my mind to perceive a real game just yet.
Speaker 1:Why do you think that? Is just yet.
Speaker 2:Why do you think that is? Well, because I'm so aberrated and I'm uneducated. But the reality of that is really cool because it's made me realize, in order for me to play a real game, there's a lot I need to do in order to get there. A real game. There's a lot I need to do in order to get there. Or I could sit here and play my multiple little ignorant games that I think are so real when they're actually not, so that I understand the games I'm playing now in life. You know they're not anything special at all, they're not, they're not, yeah go ahead yeah, they're not.
Speaker 2:They're not anything different to what I see other people go through at all. They're not greater.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so tell, tell me what. What is the game you're playing right now?
Speaker 2:The game I'm playing right now is living my life off a clock, chasing money in order to survive, Believing that in order to survive, believing that something's missing in my life and that something is a big question mark. But now that I'm talking about it, that question mark is actually me. Isn't that interesting? It is interesting. So what is my natural born greatness? My natural, and you know what? Even using that word greatness actually lessens me, because I'm not accepting my greatness. So, therefore, I'm looking for my greatness and while I'm looking for my greatness, I'm not realizing I already have greatness.
Speaker 1:Okay, so get the idea of a lesser game than the one you're playing right now and tell me what that is my first, my first thought went to a homeless person.
Speaker 2:Okay, right, good. However, and this is where my thought also went is the homeless person playing a lesser game than me, or are they actually playing a greater game than me?
Speaker 1:Well, that's their consideration, and considerations are senior to the physical universe, and that's their universe, not yours. So is that a lesser game than what you're playing right now?
Speaker 2:Well, and the reason I think that might be a greater game is because at this stage in my life I've accumulated so many things that I thought would be greater for me, right? Sometimes in my heart and I'm going to openly admit this sometimes I wished you know. I come home and my house has been burnt down and all that crap that I've accumulated over the years has all of a sudden been dealt with, because I've built up so many unnecessary things in my home and in my life that I'm always struggling to keep those things active. But at the same time, they are also burdens to me too, preventing me from doing other things, and sometimes I wish for a house fire so everything could just be wiped out. And then, at this stage in my life, I now have a clear mind to progress in a different way. Okay, so it's almost like my life so far has burdened me to such a degree from the choices I've made and purchases, whatever it might be, um, they just seem to get in the way mm-hmm so, but go ahead.
Speaker 2:Yep, but on the right. If I was in such a position, I would not know how to proceed.
Speaker 1:Right. So if you were playing the game of a homeless man, what would your viewpoint be then? As a lesser game than the one you're playing right now, where you wished, you could just absolve yourself of all of the all of the trappings and responsibilities care, maintenance, oversight whatever you want to call it stuff. What would that? What would that viewpoint be there If you were on the street, had no home, pushing a cart around with a plastic bag over you to protect you from rain?
Speaker 2:I would probably recreate what I lost.
Speaker 2:However, I'd recreate it not only with more intention and more thought, but if I've got a fresh piece of plasticine that hasn't been blended with other colors of plasticine, with what I've learned thus far, the new one would be sculpted a lot cleaner, okay now whereas the plasticine I've been playing with you know it's got it's it's a different color altogether than what it started, as you know, because I've tried adding a bit of red to the yellow, I've tried adding some white, I've tried making it real colorful and special and this and that, whereas the simplicity is, I've taken a yellow piece of clay and I've aberrated it to such a degree you can't even tell it's yellow anymore. So if I throw that distorted yellow piece of clay away and start with a fresh piece of yellow, I now know not to add other colors to it because it's perfect as it is.
Speaker 1:Okay, Now let's go to the opposite end of the spectrum and let's say a much greater game than what you're playing now, not a lesser game. How would that be? What do you see there?
Speaker 2:For me personally, it would be something that makes an impact on humanity, okay.
Speaker 1:So what's the clay like as an analog? What's the clay like there as opposed to the homeless person or the current piece of clay that is an analog for your current possessions, life, that sort of thing. What would that greater game, what would the clay be like then?
Speaker 2:then it'd be more intentional very intentional I'd be. I'd be much more careful how I mold that clay. Okay, now how?
Speaker 1:is that more intentional? Yeah, but how is that any different than the clay you just told me about, from the homeless person's viewpoint, as far as what you would do with that clay?
Speaker 2:okay, the first clay was an uneducated molding, it was like a, it was an experiment and then. So what I've learned from molding that clay? I've learned what does work and I've learned what does not work, and so my intention would be more focused on what does work in order to create or sculpt that clay so specifically to a way that I want it, without having to add other clay, without yep, okay, that's what the homeless, homeless valence, homeless person's valence, or is this the the greater game? That that would be the greater game.
Speaker 1:Okay how is it any different? How is it any different?
Speaker 2:what would you say that?
Speaker 1:see, see what I'm saying. How is it any different?
Speaker 2:Okay, podcast over. Thanks, john, Thanks for your time.
Speaker 1:Take care. Artie have a great day. I'm going to go to bed Because here the only difference is the modifier of the consideration of what's bigger and what's less.
Speaker 2:but they're really the same thing, only modified by your consideration.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes. So so how is it any different? How is it any different? Now, what you're doing? How is it any it? How is it any different? Why is the clay and?
Speaker 1:it's just different, john, it's just different and this is how auditing works, folks, because your considerations are senior to the physical universe and all I did is say, okay, this is a greater game, this is a lesser game, and this is your game. It's all the same game. It's just a matter of what you, what you decide, what it is. You could take all your stuff and you could burn it. You could take all your stuff and sell it on facebook marketplace. You could give it away, uh, you could donate it, uh, you know any of these things and you could. You know, and you'd have a fresh piece of clay. But the only thing is is that right now you're considering it's all these colors mixed together and it's getting kind of brown because the colors are mixing together and everything, and it seems like it's all worn out. But the thing is, is that's the consideration? This is where we get into axiom 11, which is your states of being. You've got your not-is-ness, you've got your alter-is-ness, you've got your is-ness and you've got your alter-is-ness or, excuse me, your as-is-ness. So for anything to make, anything to persist, you have to keep altering it. So that's the clay, so you keep altering it and you add these colors and all this stuff and now it's, it's it's kind of got a rainbow and it's mixed, and there's these different threads that are bigger and all this stuff and it's like, okay, so you've altered it in order to get it to persist, because that's survival. In order to have survival, you have to per the scientology axioms, you have to alter constantly, constantly, in order to get things to persist. That is survival. It's the intention. That has to be just tweaked as to how you want to survive with impingement and what's your intention with these things. And if you reorganize that, you've got a fresh piece of clay.
Speaker 1:And that's part of when we did the podcast a couple of weeks ago about incomplete cycles of action. That's why it seems like there's a bunch of colors mixed in. There is because you've got incomplete cycles, unfinished creates that are altered, altered, altered. You said you had all this music equipment and you've got didgeridoos and all this stuff, and your original postulate was I'm going to make music makes me feel good, I'm going to be in a band, I'm going to do this, and then slowly, slowly, slowly, your intention shifted. Yes, and it has so create, survive, destroy, create, survive, create, survive, create, create, survive, create, survive, create, survive. But there's no completed cycle of action. So it becomes a big mixture of all of these different colors of clay, these these different postulates that you put out there, and all you have to do is unwind these things.
Speaker 1:That's the incomplete cycles of the game. What was the greater game? To create, to survive. Creation is survival, but alteration is part of that and we get all mixed up in this. We have all these great intentions but no follow through, because, like John Lennon said, life is what happens to you. While you're making plans, you keep throwing things out there I'm gonna go do this, I'm gonna go do that, I'm gonna go do this, and then it gets all mixed up and everything and survival gets harder to. Like you were saying you just wish it would all dip with, the house would burn down with everything in it, and yeah, yeah, isn't that funny well now that that you've put things into perspective for me.
Speaker 2:But it's interesting because I'm actually in the process of doing that, and so, while we're discussing this, I'm realizing that what I'm actually doing I'm not completely conscious of. However, I'm doing it, and that is I'm starting to clean up my house in that sense, sell stuff, give stuff away, that kind of thing. But I'm also taking a sidestep because I'm uncertain of my potential ability. I'm uncertain of my potential ability, so I'm taking a sidestep just to go on course to remove those things that are preventing me, that started my creation, and then going through that, then I can reevaluate and create new intentions around what I actually want.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, so I'm actually, I actually want Right.
Speaker 2:You have to unwind the counter. Creates.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I also realize that there are elements getting in the way of a greater gain, yeah. So I recognize that Right, and in order to I don't know bring a real game more forward, I need to take some time out to the side, re-educate myself, expand my knowledge in order to create greater intentions that my mind at the moment, at this stage of my life, doesn't have the capacity to perceive.
Speaker 1:Right, like that greater game that we were talking about, where you could help humanity. Yes, now here's a bean burner. You're already doing it, arthur.
Speaker 2:And it's funny you say that because I am, but because it's not here now, it doesn't feel like I am.
Speaker 1:Oh, but I beg to differ, I beg to differ.
Speaker 2:Do you know why? Maybe I'm just too impatient. Here's why.
Speaker 1:Here's why. Here's why you go out of your way to do a podcast in a parking lot by a lake in the morning with me because you want to. You're already playing that greater game and you have been for months and months, and months, and months, and months, and months and months Without even realizing it. Without even realizing it. Do you know how many people Isn't that?
Speaker 2:crazy. Isn't that crazy, do you?
Speaker 1:know how many people tell me how great of an addition you are to this podcast. Well, thank you, john, I didn't I. I just agree with him. I'm just, I'm just going, yeah, yeah, he's a great foil quentin. Yeah, it's great. You know and see that's it is a good combination yeah. And so here you are. You're saying you want to play this greater game. You're already playing it. You're already playing it.
Speaker 2:If that's, if that's not a a kick towards humbleness, yeah, yeah so it's not.
Speaker 1:It's not something you're you're, you're, you're striving for, it's something you're doing right now because, yeah sure, this is survival. It takes intention to do a podcast two, three times a week and then you wouldn't do it and it contributes to your survival.
Speaker 1:Because you said that you wanted to help humanity and I realized that we only have a few hundred people that listen to any particular podcast somewhere in the neighborhood of. Well, it depends over time. Over time they accumulate, but it's not what you would call rapid. We have more subscribers pretty much every week and all this stuff. But the thing is, as a being, you're always putting this stuff out into the future, into the future, into the future. But the thing is is the future is right now. The future is right now. Yes, in the physical universe it's this linear thing that keeps on going. Yes, in the physical universe, it's this linear thing that keeps on going, and the moment you make that postulate and you do something about it, you're in the future. Before you go to work to do a podcast to help humanity and get a point across and get people thinking and decided, deciding that, yeah, I can do this too, yep yep, isn't that funny, okay, okay, I see your point, I see your point so there's, there's that, that fresh piece of clay.
Speaker 1:Funny thing is it's not so fresh because you've been doing it for months and months and months and months.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and to some degree even before doing the podcast as well. Yeah, actually, probably more to some degree, quite a lot.
Speaker 1:Right. So how does that clay look to you now, right now? Then the guy, the homeless guy, or the clay in the future? It's the same piece of clay they're all the same, because there is no time, there is no space, there is no distance. Now I want you to unmark that piece of clay of the homeless guy. Go ahead and do that.
Speaker 2:It's already done Okay. And I'd like you to un-mock that piece of clay that is your house burning down and all of your stuff in it. You know what that is? That's just laziness. That's all it is, because then it means I don't have to advertise.
Speaker 1:I don't have to do any effort to to remove all that stuff. It's just sheer laziness, right, and you know it's a, it's a solution, but is it really? Is it really responsibility?
Speaker 1:is it really knowledge, responsibility and no, and krc yeah no right because I'd also lose things I don't want to lose right, right, you throw the baby out with the bath water, so you know the clay isn't as dirty as as you might think it looks. But that's because your your consideration of it and hopefully I've, I've and I'm just I'm doing this just to give an example to our listeners that it's all one in the same. It's all survival and intention it is.
Speaker 2:It is you know your intention is already in place. You know, it doesn't matter where you are, it's still moldable.
Speaker 1:Right and it's not nearly as dirty as you think. It's only that you think it's dirty because you're already moving in that direction. You're doing podcasts. They're listening to this podcast. Why are they listening to this podcast? Because they've already got that brand new piece of clay in the future and they're putting it out there and they're trying to get this data and they're trying to apply it to their life and they trust us with the information that we put out there. They feel better when they listen to a podcast and like, yeah, I mean, this is, this is great stuff, I can use this and I can go out and do it, but it's intention. You have to have the intention, intention to do these things, and that's survival. So what you put your attention, a tension on, is what you get.
Speaker 2:Very good. Yeah, this was good fun. Yeah, this one was really good fun yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So we'll leave it at that and it's a nice little red bow on your new piece of clay and survival and intention. So your intentions are already there. Keep acting on them, keep putting it there, keep putting it there. You've got to change it, you've got to alter it to make it to persist, but the way you alter it, survival is based off your intention of how you want to survive. So thank you for being here, arthur, on this bright, sunshiny day in late summer in Australia and it's night here in South Africa, but it's still late summer and we hope everybody got a kick out of this and it made you think and we'll see you in a day or two for another podcast. Thank you everybody, namaste, and we love you.
Speaker 2:Bye-bye, thank you and goodbye. Thank you, thank you.