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SE10EP27 - The E- Meter
Ever wondered how Independent Scientology's mysterious E-meter actually works? We demystify this fascinating device that's evolved from a massive box in 1951 to today's digital Theta meter no larger than a thumb drive.
The E-meter isn't what you think—it's not a lie detector but rather a precision instrument measuring electrical resistance changes that correspond to mental mass. When placed between an auditor and preclear, it creates a window into the mind's landscape, revealing exactly where charge or disagreement exists around specific questions or concepts.
What truly amazed me during our conversation was discovering how the E-meter's effectiveness depends entirely on the ARC (Affinity, Reality, Communication) established in session. The better the connection between auditor and preclear, the more responsive and accurate the readings become. This relationship between technology and human connection creates a powerful combination for spiritual progress.
We explore the fascinating differences between Church meters costing $5,000 that contain tracking technology (which can be remotely disabled if you fall out of favor with the organization) versus the $600 Theta Meter that offers greater freedom, improved features, and allows for remote auditing anywhere in the world. This democratization of technology represents a significant shift in how Scientology practices can be delivered outside the official Church.
Perhaps most remarkable is the E-meter's ability to detect misunderstood words during study. When someone reads text containing a word they don't fully comprehend, the meter instantly registers this disconnection. By clearing these conceptual misunderstandings that create mental mass, you're literally "clearing" the mind—a fascinating parallel to the state of Clear itself.
Whether you're curious about mind-technology interfaces or looking to deepen your understanding of Scientology practices, this episode offers valuable insights into how electrical measurements can reveal profound truths about our mental and spiritual nature. Visit our YouTube channel with questions or explore our courses at collegeofindependentscientology.com to learn more.
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Speaker 1:I'm here with Arthur Mudakis and today we're going to talk about the e-meter, something we haven't done before, done before. E-meter came about in late 1951, was a huge box, and now in the 21st century, the 24th year of the 21st century, we have an E-meter called the Theta meter that we use outside of the church, the size of a thumb drive or a small box of cigarettes, and it's all digital. So things have come a long, long way and we will kind of talk about how the e-meter works. And arthur is owns e-meters but isn't trained in how to use them just yet. He's on his Pro TRS course, that's right. So kind of do a Q&A here, give you some information on it. So what would you like to know about the e-meter, arthur Get?
Speaker 2:started that way. Well, there's a little bit. I do know about it as far as the creation of it, because it was designed of a circuitry called the Wheatstone Bridge.
Speaker 1:Is that right?
Speaker 2:Which was designed to measure resistance in resistors, yep, and then, off memory, somebody had actually made a prototype for Ron and then Ron advanced it from that prototype. Is that correct?
Speaker 1:as far as yeah, he's a chiropractor oh interesting, another controversial modality yeah, yeah, chiropractor use all kinds of electronic sensors to detect ridges in the body, which is something that you can do with an e-meter as well. They don't look at it that way, but that's what it is and they have the stem devices to get your muscles to retrain once you've got ridges on the body that knock your vertebra out of place and all that stuff. So it's. You know, there are two schools of thought in some ways that are very similar, and that's how Matheson came up with it, and early on, lrh did a lot of research with it, tried it out, and that's how he mapped out the whole track on the genetic line and everything like that.
Speaker 2:In 1952, he was doing this coming up with these incidents on the whole track, which is pretty incredible, yeah.
Speaker 1:So it's a very useful device, but it's only as useful, as you know, a few things, and one of those things is that the e-meter only responds to the amount of arc affinity reality communication in the session. So to the degree that there's arc in the session is to the degree you get motion on the needle, and that motion.
Speaker 2:So is that between the PC and the auditor or ARC, including the PC?
Speaker 1:Well, it's ARC between the PC and the auditor and to the degree that that's in is to the degree in the TRs, your training regimens, your training routines are in and there's a good communication cycle. The needle responds accordingly and when you've got somebody that's new on the bridge, you, you're, you're looking at almost a personality in the way that the needle responds. It can be kind of slow and sluggish, not respond well and you have to turn up the sensitivity and and because you're dealing with all these pictures and ridges and all this stuff, that that is slowing the conductivity of the electricity because of this mental mass and it shows the presence and change of the mental mass in a preclear or a pre-OT.
Speaker 2:So similar to resistance in a resistor from its original creation, similar kind of thing occurring in the body.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Well, I mean a sense of resistance.
Speaker 1:Yeah, body plus Thetan is what you see on an e-meter as far as the resistance. If there wasn't a Thetan on there, the resistance would just stay the same as far as the resistance. If there wasn't a thetan on there, the resistance would just stay the same. But as the thetan mocks up or has things restimulated is to the degree that that resistance increases or decreases depending on something is in restimulation or it is keyed out and or erased. So what you're doing with auditing and the e-meter is you're selectively, as an auditor, taking a particular process created by LRH and you're seeing if there is any charge or a disagreement on whatever that question is.
Speaker 1:Using the e-meter, the state of the mental mass and the slight macro changes are on the needle and the excuse me, the micro changes are on the needle and the macro changes are on the tone. On the tone arm shows the amount of resistance as it goes up in as you remove mass. So with that you have a pretty good gauge of what's going on with the PC, because you're selectively re-stimulating a particular question and if it doesn't read the question doesn't read, there isn't any charge on it. So the meter shows you what has a disagreement or charge and then also shows you to the degree that it is charged. That's what the meter is for. It's not a lie detector. As uh leah remini said one of their shows, it isn't a lie but it could be used that way, couldn't it?
Speaker 1:well, if that was the intention, like LRA says on the class eight course. He says you know the needle's reading, but you don't know what it's reading on. You have lie detector tests. I'll give you an example. When I was a kid, I worked for McDonald's and a lie detector operates in a similar fashion and they asked me a question which was have you ever stolen money from a register which I hadn't? I was completely in integrity when I worked there. For my duration of working at McDonald's while I was in high school, I'd never stolen money from McDonald's, a McDonald's cash register. If anything, I might've overcharged people or something like that for something on a couple of occasions. You know where their orders got changed and stuff like that but I never took any money out of a register and put it in my pocket, for example. Well, that question, that question read on lie detector tests, and the next week I went from 40 hours to four hours, okay. So there was a read on that, but that read was not yes, I've stolen money. It was heavens, no, I would never do a thing like that. But they took it as a yes, yeah, yeah. So similarly with an e-meter, you've got a situation where you don't know what's reading and you have to find out, so you have to suss it out and there are lots of different things you can do. You can check protest, you can use the false button and you can say did anybody ever say you had stolen money from a cash register when you hadn't? Boom, needle reads yeah, there's this one time blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and then the needle floats. So in that, and a floating needle means that mass has keyed out. That's what it means. It's not an erasure, it's a key out. And so you would indicate to the PC. I'd like to indicate there was some bypass charge on that. If you get a fall or greater fall is the second largest read on an E-meter and when that comes off, you're seeing bypass charge come off. Then the needle floats because you're giving the proper indication. So that's why I say it can't really be used as a lie detector.
Speaker 1:If you're trying let's say you're doing a confessional and it reads you have to find out what that read was. If it isn't, if it isn't one, it's the other and it's easy to find out. It's more of a. There's something. It's sort of like if you were on the beach with a metal detector and it goes off and you think, oh, it's a, you know it's a very expensive ring and it ends up being an aluminum can tab in the sand. You don't know until you dig in type of a thing.
Speaker 1:But if the PC is interested in own case and willing to talk to the auditor which is the definition of in session then you know that the PCs, as long as they understand the command, you know that what you're saying and you have to clear the command with them. You know that they understand what it is you're asking. So you know you're in the right. You know within a couple of houses of the right number, you know that you've got the right address and that's what the meter is used for. The meter itself doesn't do anything, it just goes aha, there's something here and then the auditor has to find out what that is by asking the proper questions detailed by LRH.
Speaker 1:And it's a bit different in the wise that if in Scientology all you're trying to do is you're trying to key things out. That's the difference between Dianetics and Scientology. All you're trying to do is you're trying to key things out. That's the difference between Dianetics and Scientology. The only other thing you do in Scientology, which is a really cool action is date and locate, to blow or erase something. And as a person gets up the bridge, date and locate is the best way to blow an incident, getting them to spot when it was where it was, the date and locate.
Speaker 1:Hcob in regards to metering is a really neat reference because he talks about how you're trying to date and locate something and the difference in days. Let's say it's a whole track incident. The difference in days could be tremendous because you have to think in what is a day on a different planet, in a different star system, as it goes around the sun. If it's further, well, the star, not the sun. There's only one sun. Our sun is Sol, so the star that the planet is going around might be going around two stars might go in a figure eight.
Speaker 1:I mean, you know there's all kinds of things, but if you properly date it with the right date which the PC can get, if they're in pretty good shape, down to and this is the neat thing, down to the second, this is something in innate ability that a thetan has and it's one of the coolest things in auditing is that you're getting this particular date from years down to seconds and you're getting them to spot where it was that it was at. And when that happens you'll see a blow down to the needle. The needle goes to the right and then you'll see a nice fn there as this incident blows, because they're as-is-ing it. They're looking at it for what it is and what the incident was and you've erased it. That's using Scientology, e-meter technology.
Speaker 1:In Dianetics we don't date and locate anything, we just run it whenever it was through and through getting more information, run it whenever it was through and through getting more information, finding an earlier beginning or finding an earlier engram, secondary or lock. And you're not really using the needle for anything, you're using the tone arm. And as the tone arm goes up, you know you've got it restimulated. You keep going. You keep going until the tone arm comes down and then you get to the bottom of that engram chain and then the PC has a floating needle cognition, very good indicators and you get the postulate off and the engram has erased. So that's a complete eradication of a dianetic chain. So you're not using your needle as much as you are the tone arm to see if the restimulation is flattening out. So there's a couple of different uses for the meter in that wise, long dissertation there over to you.
Speaker 2:Okay, you're making it hard to ask questions. One thing I've always been interested in regarding the A-meter is Ron Hubbard's experiments with plants and other life forms using the A-meter, and the thing that kind of disappoints me in that regard is the lack of information around his experiments with plants, because it's very basic information there, um, but also there's a documentary um on plants and so there's there's actually a scientologist on there um who started with an e-meter um and then, for the sake of the documentary, they they ended up using other meters to start getting audio signals from the plants and then they did all these crazy experiments around them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've seen that.
Speaker 2:Teaching them alphabets and all sorts of stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and he was way ahead of his time. Only a few months ago there were papers that were released, scientific papers, that plants are sentient, and this is something he was saying in the early 60s using an e-meter showing that they respond to this. You could probably I don't know how you would do it with insects. Animals would be a little bit different. You'd give them the stay still type of a thing. But the theory works the same way for any living thing. You're just dealing with different calibers of beings.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because part of his research which I thought was interesting and there's not a huge amount of information out there on it but he actually discovered that plants were really sensitive to the kinds of light globes in night lights, like your street lights, and, depending on the quality of the globe, plants were okay with it or they were not okay with it. So because generally when night falls, um, you know, a plant is happy with moonlight or complete darkness, but then when you've got a street light, depending on the gas in the globe, the rays it emits, all that kind of stuff, it can either be really bad for a plant because it never gets complete darkness, it's always got some light right. Sunlight comes down, the lights turn on. When the sun rises, the lights turn off, so these plants are suffering light all the time and depending on the lights. And he found that the yellow spectrum, um, it was appropriate for plants even in the evening, which I thought was really interesting, like how we discovered these things using the a meter um on plants.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's pretty cool yeah, well, it's actually really cool yeah, it deals.
Speaker 1:I mean, you're dealing with the electromagnetic spectrum, you know, which includes light, radio, uh and a and a lot more things. So you know. As far as the e-meter goes I mean, the different reads on the e-meter are different and this is something we should probably mention is that early on he didn't know anything about flows. And we audit in flows, you know, others to you, you to others, others to others, you to yourself. Uh, these are the four primary ones that we use in auditing. There's eight all together, um, and these flows, when you put them on an oscilloscope, when you have a person think about a flow incoming which is flow one you get a particular wave pattern on an oscilloscope and then, when you have them, reverse the flow and you think of them to others. You get another wave and others to others, another wave, you to yourself, another wave, and so on. So these are emanations and receptions by the thing, and all of these flows are used to audit a person on, in order to clear up a particular subject, so that you're getting it from as many angles as possible, and in getting these flows you clean up that particular area. So that's another useful thing in using the meter that was verified with an oscilloscope. It would be cool to have an oscilloscope set up and try to get all of the different reads that we have in our e-meter reads drill film. That's on Vimeo and YouTube. It's actually on this channel as well. I made back in 2013,. Excuse me, 2011. 2011 to 2013.
Speaker 1:And each one of these reeds has their own oscilloscope pattern. Like a floating needle is a sine wave Ebbs fades and ebbs and goes back and forth. And the funny thing is is that from 1951 to 1964, they saw floating needles. Lrh didn't, and everybody used them. They didn't know what they meant. It wasn't until 1964 that LRH realized.
Speaker 1:In FN it used to be you run everything to a flat point where there's no tone arm motion, which was about as close as you could get. So there's no motion of the tone arm up and down, pumping up and down as you re-stimulate, discharge, re-stimulate discharge, re-stimulate discharge. And he realized that this floaty float on the needle kept happening. And then all of a sudden he got that. Okay, that's when there is a key out, which is a dianetic concept but it's used in scientology as well as a key in. A key in throws the tone arm up.
Speaker 1:You've asked an auditing question. You're keying the person in, you de-stimulate it. By keying it out, you get an fn, uh, very good indicators and a cognition. So all of the stuff that was done with the meter could be said to not have been completely keyed out, because things were done just to a flat point, they weren't done to an FN. So you have all of these people that were doing all these different things and this is through a majority of the briefing course. It was done to a flat point, it wasn't done to an FN.
Speaker 1:And that when they figured out what an FN was a floating needle then they knew they had a serious N phenomenon, both for Scientology auditing and Dianetic auditing. Now, when you get on the upper bridge, you see FN so much that you disregard them because you're not going for a key out, You're going for a blow Because they're so common. That doesn't, it doesn't mean anything other than, yeah, we're in the right vicinity but you're not done yet. So you know the F, the FN has its uses still on the upper levels, you know, with assessment lists and that type of a thing. But Keeping you on track, so to speak, yeah, keeping you on track, if you're asking an assessment question on a prepared list or a listing and nulling question, which the end phenomena even on the upper levels, is an FN, you're still using it there. It has its uses, but it's a little bit more less of what you're going for on the OT levels, because you're going for a different thing, but a floating needle. They didn't know anything about it until 1964.
Speaker 2:So 14 years. It's pretty impressive the amount of information in sessions, the amount of people, the amount of work it would have taken to discover every movement of the e-meter. It would have taken an incredible amount of work.
Speaker 1:Thousands of hours. I mean there are certain reads that are in the book e-meter essentials that you have to learn on the meter course or on the academy levels. One of them is a stage four which has to do with implants. They're so rare. I've never seen one, dan Kuhn, who is a class eight CS out of the Sea Org and now an artist in Sweden. He told me. He said yeah.
Speaker 2:I've never seen one either Interesting.
Speaker 1:You know he was working with LRH day in and day out, so there's lots of these phenomena that would have taken tens of thousands of hours to see, only once or twice. Or, in particular, auditing actions. A lot of the stuff that was on the briefing course was experimental, so they ran into things that you wouldn't normally see as much. But they cataloged them and there's somewhere in the neighborhood of about 30 of them. But the primary ones are your falls, your small fall. Fall long fall, long fall. Blow down your floating needle instant floating needle. Fall long fall, long fall. Blow down your floating needle, instant floating needle that type of a thing.
Speaker 1:So the others, you know the others are indicative of particular things going on in a case, but the number that you need to actually audit with are a lot, a lot less. And you'll see, like a theta bop. A theta bop means that the person wants to get out of their exterior eyes and that's that's an interesting one to see, you know, because all auditing needs to stop when a person goes exterior. Let them have their win. You come back later. It's not something we go for, but it happens a lot. So we wouldn't know about these things If the person couldn't articulate what it was that was going on, and that's the importance of the e-meter as well. Is what's going on here? Yep, yep. So that's what the meter is for. It's a detector for the state of the PC and how things are going with them and areas that you want to audit if there is charge or not.
Speaker 2:That's pretty much what the meter is used for because, um, so if we look at, say, the difference between, um a standard e-meter and a theta meter, um which you can use online via distance, um, as long as somebody has a theta meter, you can. You can audit them, yeah, but I'm pretty sure this, yeah, and I'm pretty sure there's some features on there where it'll do your voice tone as well. Um, not quite an oscilloscope, but it'll it. It's got like a, it's got a real-time running a graph yeah, yeah, yeah, which is pretty much.
Speaker 2:That'll show the same thing yeah, and that's.
Speaker 1:That's good to have. If you know, maybe you look, looked away and you. You didn't see the read, but you could still see it on the graph there, yeah, which is pretty cool.
Speaker 2:Um and like they're cool features that you know standard emeter doesn't have, and the technology that's been put into it is pretty cool. Yeah, it's actually really cool. Yeah, I mean, you're in Africa, I'm in Australia and you know, you've audited me using the meter. Yeah, you know, through Zoom.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, it's a game changer that you can do remote auditing with the meter on the other end, with the pc, and you just have them install the, the application and for the theta meter, and plug it into the computer, open up the app there it is, and then you can take the person in session. Uh, you can't do that with any, any church meter at all. The, the most recent church meter, uh, the mark eight, five thousand dollars a piece and they want you to have two of them. Uh, theta meter is about 600 bucks a piece with cans and shipping. Just to give you a comparison, the, the mark eight, has a router in it and you have to connect it to the internet and if you're not in good standing with the church, the church shuts the meter off and you can't use your $5,000 e-meter until you get back in good standing with the church. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no joke. So they've chipped it. They've chipped it and you by, just like a cell phone, they know who you are and who owns that meter. Yeah, yeah. And if you buy one of those off of eBay, for example, and the person goes out of good standing, you're in trouble because you can't use the meter. So it's really invasive and with the Theta meter it's a much better meter.
Speaker 1:It has a lot more features. You can colorize the meter display. You can change the fonts. You can put up a circular dial to where you have several E-meter dials on screen at once.
Speaker 1:I don't use it, but it's a neat feature so you can see how far the needle blows down, whereas on a normal meter dial, on the Theta meter or on a Church meter, once it goes off the dial you can't see how far it goes. So in some cases you might have a long fall blowdown that goes off the dial and then goes off the next dial in some cases, depending on what you're auditing. So it gives you a lot more latitude on what it is that you're auditing and you can have a much better understanding of it. But at the same time it simplifies metering exponentially because there's so much less that you have to deal with than you do with a physical e-meter. You have to have to trim the meter and all of these analog things that we used to have to do we don't have to do anymore. It's always correct. Yeah, digitally it never needs to be adjusted, it doesn't get affected by temperature and stuff like a.
Speaker 1:A analog meter does so, and on top of that you don't have to deal with the mechanical aspects of the needle moving and everything which makes an FN look different than it would in a digital domain. So it's a lot clearer you were going to say more automatic.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it's more automatic.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a. It's a more, a better reality on what's really going on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, which is pretty cool, Like yeah, it's very impressive. So using the A-meter, like, let's say, in just a general auditing session, so from Dianetics, you know you co-audit, um, you know, return to a moment of pleasure, return to a moment of pain, um so, and that takes a long time to do auditing that way. But then with the introduction of the e-meter, how much time could be saved with metered auditing.
Speaker 1:Just around reactiveness, half half, and and there's a reference in the late 60s where laurie says you can use an e-meter in book one to locate the incident and then see if it is discharging or is charging up, which means there's an earlier beginning or an earlier incident, like I mentioned earlier.
Speaker 2:Uh, you can do that so yeah, so instead of looking for an end phenomena or the um pc reaching end phenomena, you'll you'll get a much clearer rate on the a meter for an end phenomena yeah, yeah, you will.
Speaker 1:That's and that's the thing is, is the e-meter speeds things up because you're not just fumbling around in the dark. You have a lot more information. You know it's. It's a diagnostic tool to see where and what it is that you need to run and what the state of it is. Now that's, that's one step before what standard Dianetics was, which is what meter Dianetics was in the 70s when the book Dianetics Today came out the standard Dianetics using a meter, and you use the meter in accordance with those bulletins towards that, and then that became new era Dianetics.
Speaker 1:But you can use a meter in book one to find an incident and see if it's discharging, and it's just one reference. He says that you can do that and it makes complete sense that you could and should, if you have the skill to at least run book one and get the the greatest efficacy out of it. Uh, above and beyond what you would do if you just did it by the PC coming up tone and laughing about the incident and it being erased. So you know it can be used anywhere on the bridge. That's the nice thing.
Speaker 2:Which is pretty cool, like it's. It's like having a, a guide by your side informing you okay, focus this. Okay, we're here. Okay, what's that? Okay, um, like it's a great little tool to yeah, to progress, really isn't it?
Speaker 1:yeah, it speeds things up tremendously and the the neat thing about, you know, word clearing is word clear, misunderstood words read on the meter because there's a disagreement there which is pretty crazy and okay, let's, let's talk about this, because we're talking about words, right, that are man-made.
Speaker 2:they're man-created, right. And this is what kind of blows my mind when it comes to word clearing in the e-meter the fact that the e-meter responds when a word is understood, because what's interesting about that is that word has a definition created by men, right? So what I find really interesting about this is that word, in its original creation, whatever the word is, has its definition and consciously, through theta, it actually reads when it's understood to according to its definition, like, I think that's a huge thing, that's not a small thing, you know, the conjunction with a word that might have been created, you know, hundreds of years ago, that might still be in the current English language, actually shows no charge when it's understood so many years later, and in some cases centuries later. Like, I don't know, I don't know if I'm explaining it right, but it's different. It's different discovering an understanding or a truth through auditing, through an experience, but then to receive's insane.
Speaker 1:I had a pre-ot was asking me you know well, you know what about what if these words were different? Down the track, you know, whole track doesn't matter exactly, doesn't matter because it doesn't matter that the symbol, the symbol, is a symbol. The word is a symbol for a concept. Every word is a symbol for a concept, yes, yes. So it doesn't matter what the word is. That's. That is why and this is the neat thing about a being a Phaeton is, regardless of the language, the concept is a concept and it shows up on the meter as such once it's cleared up.
Speaker 1:Now you know, if you have something that doesn't exist on this planet, let's say you're dealing with systems that have to do with, let's say, you know, geology, for example. Geology, for example, in the periodic table, there are different star systems that have different periodic tables of elements, based off of how that star system was formed and the components that created it. You hear about Bob Lazar talking about element 115, of which we've only been able to create a couple of atoms of so far. And element 115 is what some of these advanced civilizations use to basically warp gravity and time.
Speaker 1:Okay, but see, the thing is is that it doesn't matter whether we have it here, it only matters that the thetan understands or doesn't understand what it is, and through word clearing you can clear it up, and then the PC or the pre-OT that's getting the word clearing will go yeah, there's this thing, this stuff that we, we don't have here, and and as you pull it down, there's this misunderstanding on it and you can clear it up and what it was and what the significances were that weren't understood about it. Because if they knows everything, that's why you can date, locate they already know. It's just obscured by their own creation on top of it. Yep, yep, you have to do a little.
Speaker 2:So if we were to say, yeah, so, so let's say, you know, webster, when he was creating the dictionary, right he's. He's actually creating something that's now in the mess universe, right, and according to him, it's true, right? So when we're using, when we're, we're looking for definitions because it's already been created, it's already been put into the messed universe. Does that mean, theta speaking, we know the true definition, even if our body doesn't, because technically, we're training our body to know these things.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, you're connected to the body. The body doesn't have much to do with the understanding of it or anything like that. I mean, there are particular situations where you're trying to handle something that is because misunderstoods have phenomena that are associated. You know your realness and all this stuff, all these physical phenomena that are caused by the thetan when they have a misunderstood word, as far as the reference barriers to study, as far as too steep of a gradient misunderstood word, you know, lack of mass, all that. So they affect the body, but it's the thetan affecting the body, causing this on the body, it's not the body itself.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay, yeah, sure, that's what you're saying. Because I don't know it just kind of blows my mind the difference between an experience that you have knowledge of versus a word like I don't know. In my head I just can't make the conjunction because they're two very different things, um well they're, they're not.
Speaker 1:They're not so dissimilar. I mean, if you look at lrh's pre-halving the scale, which is pages and pages and pages and pages and pages and pages, it's basically the tone scale. The pre-halving scale is the tone scale broken down into degrees between each tone level based off of a word. Think about that for a second why it would be a page, page and a half, two pages between 1-1 and 1, five on the tone scale covert hostility and anger. There's a whole level of having this and they used to assess the pre-having the scale would take hours to check all of these words, but these words and by some stroke of genius, lrh was able to get these words put in the right sequence, the right level on the prehabitance scale to go in and handle a goal based off of the tone skip. Now you have to ask yourself and this data? They were doing this in 1961. The study tech didn't come out and wasn't made available because there were some associates that he worked with, his husband and wife couple, that he became aware of with a lot of the study data, and he applied it and distilled it into Scientology. They didn't have that information in 1961. He just knew that these words would read because there's a significance, there's a concept behind it that plots it out where it's at, in between one one, one, five, three, oh, three, five on the tone scale in the right order. And he had to do that with pretty insane, with an E meter. And you just go, jesus Christ, I mean, yeah, are you kidding me? I mean that's and and and. That was using the meter, that's how accurate the meter is.
Speaker 1:And you deal with somebody who has an understanding of these words, him and author with, with his ability using words to get across concepts.
Speaker 1:And if you've ever read any of his books, like Battlefield Earth or the Decology, the Mission Earth series or his earlier stuff, old Doc Methuselah read that book Great stories. But you know and see his mastery of the English language, which is one of the most detailed languages on the planet, thank God, we use English To describe all of these different states that are themselves a level of pre-havingness that makes up the tone scale in ARC. You're literally looking at, bit by bit by bit, in a sequence of more and more ARC based off of English language, words that have a concept behind them. Words that have a concept behind them. That's phenomenal. So in 1961, they were using these words to get across a concept that would help find the level of a goal that a person has and a person can have hundreds of goals, but you're trying to audit out this goal in order to create a clear, because they're incomplete cycles, stuck attention, stuck on the track, mass behind it, and that mass is based off of that word in the pre-haveness scale.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's just mind-blowing. The creation of it just really blows my mind. Yeah, um, now we don't do that today.
Speaker 1:It's extremely impressive but it's, but it's there because you know it was. There were much simpler ways. I mean, eventually, all of that stuff led to the simpler ways that we have now to get a person up the bridge and make it clear they still work, but they take a lot of time to do and and through doing that stuff we got simplicity from complexity. Simplicity because he was looking for a faster way to clear and that wasn't. That wasn't it. But it sure gave us a lot better understanding of and led to the misunderstood word concept, which is charge on a disagreement and a misunderstanding or a no understanding of of a concept. It's not the word. It's not the word. The word represents the concept.
Speaker 1:I want to make that clear and that that is that association and we talked about this in a past podcast last year. That association of that word is messed the way you say it, the way it's written, because in writing, what is it? It's matter energy, space and time. What do you do when you clear a word? Time? What do you do when you clear a word? You clear the mess out of the concept because you're getting it down to a conceptual understanding. When you have a conceptual understanding of a word, it keys out and it's no longer tied to the physical universe. That's why and I think a lot of people miss this that's why you clear, clear a word Yep, yep, just like you go clear and you no longer have your own reactive mind on the first dynamic. Yep, isn't that something? Yep.
Speaker 2:It's pretty cool, like even because I've got a theta meter as well and then even the little study aid that that you gave me around when studying have the meter running, um, as I'm reading, to help me pick out misunderstood words and then to use the meter to clear those words to continue my study. Like, just having that running in the background helps me a lot because it gives me a bit of confidence on words that I may think I misunderstand. However, it'll show that I do understand it and then I can even just check to make sure that I understand it. You know, and as far as word clearing goes while you're studying, like what a great little side tool to have.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know you've got it Right.
Speaker 1:That's why we do word clearing you know, either solo as I'm reading a definition?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it'll show me if there's, if there's a word in the definition that I'm unsure of and they took me yeah it's incredible, absolutely incredible, just the way it works.
Speaker 1:It just blows my mind that's the math that's showing up on it. You can put a person on the meter and you can have them read, and as they read, you'll see the word they don't understand reads on the meter as they say it. Yeah, how useful is that? It's a great tool. Yeah, you can't get any more accurate than that. And that's the thing is.
Speaker 1:Misunderstood words create mental mass and when you look at it, what are you doing when you're making it clear? And when you look at it, what are you doing when you're making it clear? You've removed all the mental mass, all of the misunderstoods on the track that a person commits is based off of a misunderstood concept, word or symbol. Let that sink in Every overt that they commit on any dynamic is because of misunderstood words, because they didn't understand something. And that's why the study tag is so important and why it's important to use a meter with it to make sure that a person is getting what they're getting.
Speaker 1:There's a thing called a recent studies check that they would do and that we do in course rooms where we have everybody sit down on the meter and every day, and when I first went to flag and I got in training, they say you know, come over and get a meter check and at the time I was, I didn't know what in the world it was about and I thought they were wanting to see if the meter worked properly. Yeah, sure, because I had a misunderstood on what a meter check was. But what they were doing is seeing in your studies. You ask the person in your recent studies is there any word or symbol? You did not fully get. The needle reads. They say okay, go back over what you studied yesterday and find the words that you didn't understand. Clear them up, make a list, bring them back to me and we'll check them on the meter. Yep.
Speaker 2:Foolproof, foolproof. Yeah, it's pretty cool.
Speaker 1:It's super cool foolproof, foolproof. Yeah, it's pretty cool, it's super cool. That's the power of an e-meter is it's clearing up the misunderstandings in study, but in auditing you're clearing up the misunderstandings in life because of misunderstood concept, words and symbols that got you into this labyrinth and you took a hard left turn at Poughkeepsie and we're we're tracing this thing back and it all comes down to things we've created, because we don't understand something and we did something else instead. That's what it comes down to, and the meter solves that, which would be a lot harder to do without one. Isn't that something?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's incredible yeah yeah, I think there's much more to say about it really is it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, how lucky are we, how lucky are we. And a meter course doesn't take a long time, especially with a theta meter. It's, you know, there are only so many drills that apply, because there are certain drills you don't need because the meter takes care of it for you. Lrh would love the theta meter. Love it, yeah, yeah, and emancipates and a being to getting up the bridge so much quicker because you can do auditing remotely.
Speaker 1:Uh, you, you can take it in solo session. I mean, it's just, it's just an amazing tool. So my recommendation is you know, get a theta meter, get in session, learn how to word clear with a meter so you can help your loved ones and your friends and you know other independent Scientologists, and make use of it so that you know that when a person has something that needs to be handled, you can handle it. It's easy to do, it's not a difficult device, it's not mysterious. You know, once you know it, you know, and the guys here, the, the auditors that we have here, you know, just love it because it's a validation of what, what's going on and, and especially in study, they know that, they know what they know. So that's what the meter's for.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's right that's right definitely helps you with your confidence when studying 100.
Speaker 1:yeah, it validates. You know both, both word clearing and and auditing, and that's what it's for. So anyway, I hope everybody really enjoyed this and and has a better understanding of what the e-meter does. And we kind of broken it down without getting into too many of the significances and kept it on a well-understandable level. And if you have any questions about the meter, you can leave a comment on YouTube, on our AOGP podcast channel, and we'll answer those questions and give you the references if you want them. And we also have the meter course in the academy levels on the collegeofindependentscientologycom. Learn how to use a meter today because you will see how the human mind works. And even in e-meter drills, when there's misunderstandings or upsets, all you have to do is talk about it, find it on the meter, clear it up and get on with the meter drills. It's part of the meter drills to see how this stuff works. So thanks for being here, arthur. I hope everybody enjoyed this and we'll see you next week for another podcast. Namaste, and we love you, take care. Bye-bye.
Speaker 2:Bye-bye, bye-bye, thank you, thank you.