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SE10EP30 - Why I Became an Independent Scientology Auditor
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What drives someone to dedicate their life to helping others through spiritual technology? In this deeply personal conversation, three Independent Scientology Auditors pull back the curtain on their journeys and the extraordinary phenomena they've witnessed.
Randy, Quentin, and Mateo share remarkable stories of transformation—both their own and those they've facilitated. From physical healings that defy medical explanation to profound spiritual breakthroughs, these auditors reveal how L. Ron Hubbard's techniques have changed their understanding of human potential. Quentin describes how auditing completely resolved his vision problems and lifelong allergies, while Mateo explains how the training gave him an uncanny ability to read people and make better life choices.
The conversation takes fascinating turns as they discuss witnessing prenatal memories, encountering spiritual entities, and using simple "assists" that produce immediate physical healing. Randy recounts a hospital visit where a simple procedure helped a brain tumor patient dramatically improve within minutes. Mateo shares his experience with the fever assist—watching someone's temperature normalize in just five minutes through a single process.
What emerges is a portrait of dedicated practitioners who've found purpose in offering something they believe transcends conventional therapy and medicine. As Randy describes it: "It's never the same thing twice...you're shooting an arrow into the heart of aberration and totally giving this person a new lease on life from something they didn't even know was bothering them."
Whether you're curious about Scientology practices outside the Church, interested in alternative spiritual technologies, or simply fascinated by stories of remarkable human experiences, this episode offers rare insights into a world few get to glimpse. Listen and decide for yourself: could these techniques hold keys to potential we haven't fully explored?
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Welcome to another Independent Scientology Outside of the Church podcast brought to you by AOGPorg, AO-GPorg and the College of Independent Scientologycom. This is Season 10, Episode 30, why I Became an Independent Scientology Auditor, and we have as our special guest Mateo Kemsley, who is our resident Class 4, almost Class 5 Auditor, one of two besides myself here at AOGP. He's been working at it for about a year and a half now and this is his first second time on the podcast, isn't it? Yeah, it's the second time. Yeah, second time on the podcast. And then Quentin's the second time. Yeah, second time on the podcast. And then quentin is here as well. How are you, quentin?
Speaker 1:I'm doing fantastic great, so let's get the ball rolling here. Why did you become an independent scientology auditor, quentin?
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, for me, I'm going to say honestly, it was kind of selfish. I was interested in spiritual freedom, spiritual attainment. I've always been that way, even as a youngster, and so everybody knows that you follow the podcast, that I grew up as a Jehovah's Witness, and so I was known around my community and stuff like that. I can knock a door down, I knock a door down. And so, for me, religion, spirituality, that whole thing really really always appealed to me. And when I discovered Scientology in 2002, 23, 24 years ago, when I discovered Scientology in 2002, it just made sense. It made sense to me how the mind works and how you know as a being you are and stuff. So I wanted to be a part of that and I wanted to get the gains that come along with it. And it wasn't until around 2006 that I started uh, co-auditing, Dianetics, co-auditing, and the rest is history. Like it just became second nature to me. So I've I've been doing this for quite some time now and loving every minute of it.
Speaker 1:So what, what, what did you get out of it?
Speaker 2:For me, particularly with Dianetics auditing, it helped me to repair my skulls I'm not just talking about my eyesight, okay my physical cornea reshaped with LASIK, without all the whatever, whatever like my cornea was very jagged and, and the time showed me, on the little thing, uh, my cornea was very jagged and I had really bad astigmatism and used to have to wear toric lenses, these really sick contact lenses which my eyes, and from there I like, literally my cornea, reshaped to a perfectly smooth cornea, eyesight repair, 20, 20 vision, the whole bit.
Speaker 2:And then I had a very, very bad grass allergy and bananas, grass and bananas and had no idea why, and all of my life as a kid, dealing with grass allergy, I couldn't be around fresh cut grass, the whole bit. And it was in Dianetics Auditing that I found out exactly what was hanging me up with my grass allergy and it was nothing. It had nothing to do with antihistamines and popping peels and it was some crazy stuff. And I repaired my, my grass algae as well no longer allergic to grass, no longer allergic to bananas. Um, yeah, so for me and I'm not saying I went in for a any kind of physical, uh, betterment, but those are the things that really, really hit me hard um with my benefits of getting out of dynamics auditing what did you, what did you get out of it in becoming an auditor?
Speaker 1:what did you get out of it that way?
Speaker 2:oh and oh, I see what you're saying. Um, I would say becoming an auditor really helped me to understand people, understand the mind, understand why people do fucked up things like, understand how crazy life can be and and and. No, not to the individual necessarily, but when people do aberrated and messed up things in this world, you kind of have a bit of empathy about them on some level, still holding them accountable to their actions, but kind of understanding like, okay, you're dealing with some stuff, you know what I mean. And so being an auditor helped me understand people a lot better, helped me develop a higher level of empathy and then allowed me to kind of deal with people from that position and it changed my life. It changed my life as it relates to relationships going through an abusive relationship for five years. It changed my life in so many ways that I didn't feel like I was a victim anymore. I didn't feel like I had to blame other people. I felt like I get it now. So that was a really big win for me being an auditor.
Speaker 1:Matt, how about you?
Speaker 3:Well, for me, the reason I became an auditor was because for the vast majority of my life I was treated like shit and I know how it can affect someone when you're treated like shit and I know how emotionally taxing it can be to go through life with you know various different things people experiences and I didn't want people to go through that the same way I did, because it's not easy and I wanted to be able to help people and get them through that without any hassle.
Speaker 1:What have you got out of your auditor training?
Speaker 3:Well, this is kind of a two-part answer. Number one it's allowed me to read people better, in a good way. For example, I recently had quite a few friends. I had this big group of friends of like 15 people. We would go out constantly, every weekend, and I really thought that they were friends. I thought I could count on them. Friends, you know, I thought I could count on them.
Speaker 3:Unfortunately, after a while after, as I got deeper into my training and deeper into being able to tell certain personalities apart, I started seeing that, okay, these people are actually not good for me and I need to distance myself. And it's allowed me to look at people in general and just be like, okay, that's what's going on here. I see what they're doing, I see what it's going to turn into. I don't want to be a part of it or or even the exact opposite. I see what people are doing, I see what they're saying, I see how they're acting and I'm like, hey, I, I understand what's going on and I can help them should they want to help themselves. And yeah, that's what.
Speaker 2:I want from my auditor that part right there.
Speaker 3:Yeah, look, you can't help people if they don't want to help themselves. That's the main thing.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm. So, since you've been doing auditing, what did you experience with your PCs? What kind of realizations did?
Speaker 3:you have in delivering that auditing. Everyone's the same in a very, very small way, and what I mean by that is everybody has a I'm going to use a Scientology term here everyone has a reactive mind and, at the end of the day, everyone gets affected by a numerous amount of things, and it's up to us as auditors to be able to help them and better their lives again, as long as they want to better themselves.
Speaker 1:Right Anything else you've pulled out of the training that you've been doing that you know well, like recently on your class five course.
Speaker 3:Well, the class five course is the neurodianetics course. From there, what I've been seeing is that. Sorry, great, I didn't have an answer for that question. What happened? I don't have an answer for that question you don't have an answer for that question.
Speaker 1:You don't have an answer for that question. No, I mean, you said you were telling me the other day that you really enjoyed this course.
Speaker 3:Oh, okay, okay.
Speaker 1:That's what I was talking about, sorry.
Speaker 3:Yeah, okay, I have genuinely been enjoying this course because, for the first time in a while, I'm looking at it from a different perspective. I've been doing Dianetics auditing for a few months now and you know, after a while it kind of just gets repetitive in a sense that, okay, I know what I'm doing, I know what to do.
Speaker 3:I'm going in session, it's going to take an hour, an hour or two, and then I'm done. It's the same thing Now with New Era Dianeticsetics. What I found is that it adds a new curveball to the entire situation, one that I'm actually really, really excited to do, because it allows you to get to the precise nitty-gritty parts of a dionetic chain, because you're using the meter now, and for me this is going to sound a little weird, but I'm looking forward to it because it sounds like a lot of fun. How so Sounds like. Well, as I said, it's very repetitive. So for me, going through the same incident over and over again, yes, it's a good thing, but for me, as an auditor, it can get a little boring. However, now that I've got the meter, I've got a new tool to play with, I've got something else that adds a little bit of excitement to each session.
Speaker 2:That's awesome, yeah, yeah, I get that.
Speaker 2:I will say that, for me, like being able to see the manifestations on the person's face, um, I'm just talking about, from an artist's perspective, seeing the manifestation on a person's face, seeing kind of what they're like, reliving. They're like reliving this experience. Yeah, I've seen, I've seen in session, sunburns turn on in people's bodies, um, like, just like they just kind of started coming bloodshot red just sitting there in a chair in an air-conditioned room. You know, I've seen all kind of manifestations that turn on, uh, when doing auditing, because you're actually going back and you're reliving, you're re-experiencing these incidents, and so you know, yeah, the, the the actual auditing technique is quite simple and it's the same steps you know over and over and over again, uh, which that's what allows anybody to be able to do it Right. But, all in all, you know, being able to see that person kind of go through all that stuff is really, really interesting to me, um, and it's like, wow, like you really in it, and yeah, yeah yeah, I, I, you know the the things that I've seen.
Speaker 1:Well, first of all, you know why. Why did I become an independent, independent Scientology auditor? Well, I became a Scientology auditor first back in 1988. And I did it because I wanted to help people. And I started out with doing book one, just like Matteo did at the org, and my first session was a prenatal session, where the person went before they were born and there was an attempted abortion and I used to in reading Dianetics I used to think, gosh, this guy just talks about and you know, I've been a Scientologist my whole life. When I say this guy, I mean L Ron Hubbard, and I said this you know he talks about prenatals and abortions, failed abortions and all of this stuff so much. You know this can't be the case and my first session was that you got him.
Speaker 1:You got the big slice of the cake, yeah yeah, and she was crying and she was, you know, just, I mean going through the whole thing and going through revivification. It was revived completely and everything, and it almost felt bad. I was making her feel this way, but there was so much trauma going on in that situation and she could hear what the mother and father were saying and all this stuff because it was tried at home and you know, it was just phenomenal and I saw that and I was like, you know, it was just phenomenal and I saw that and I was like, you know, not from a viewpoint of you know, a nefarious viewpoint but how powerful this is and something so simple can be so, so powerful, and I thought this is what I want to do. This is not something everybody else does. I've never seen anything like this before. You know, at the time you know how do I say it you know I'm a past life Scientologist I didn't know it then and it just it was. It was the same feels then, as it was last lifetime, and and how something on the printed page can be taken and applied towards somebody and it works. And you, and there you know it's of course, you know, you, you do math and you put it on paper and stuff like that and you, you get this result.
Speaker 1:But when it's with somebody's life and that they feel this relief and you see their space change, you see their face change, you see, I mean you're just so many things, and they come up to you and they tell you I'm sorry, I'm trying to keep my my act together here. They come up and they tell you how much, how much you've changed their life. You're just, you're just a man. You know that you're taking something somebody else did and it it's. It is the most humbling and it is the most I love my job feeling that you can ever have and I feel very strongly about it.
Speaker 1:As you can see, I take my job very seriously, and I don't mean seriously as in solid seriously. I just mean I take it very seriously and that I want to help people and that I know I can help people. But I don't take, I take myself for granted what it is that I know and what I can do and how I can help people. And you know it's it's not like you're walking around being Superman, but you're walking around being Superman. You know you can point these things out to people and you can give them answers and you can show them references.
Speaker 1:But when you take them in session and you're looking at undoing this Gordian knot of reactive mind and these these things that they that have been troubling them their whole lives and everything, and they walked in the room, they didn't know that that was going to happen. You, you know something's going to happen and the further you go up the bridge with people, the bigger these gains are, and and and this is sort of outside your, your experience but the phenomena I'm gonna just use phenomena instead of street terms but I mean the phenomena that I have seen in session with people on the upper level materials as an OT level auditor, a knots auditor, is incredible. I've never seen anything else like it in my life anywhere else. The things that people experience, the relief that they get, the amount of relief that they get, the changes that they have, are something they would have never, ever, ever, ever thought of having and that they didn't know that they had. But it was something they've had for trillions of years, in some cases or more.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1:And that's. You know, to me that's it's and you know it's not this. Yeah, it's this cool stuff that happens and you know all this stuff it's, it's in a band of it's, it's in an ecclesiastical band is what it is. There's no doubt about it, because you're dealing with a spirit, you're dealing with a Satan, you're dealing with this immortal being that is so fucking tired of all of this shit happening to them and it's been going on forever. And it's rooted in this crazy thing that happened somewhere down the time track that they had completely forgotten about and have been unburdened. And there it is right in front of them, like a movie that just popped on in front of them. And you know I can't get into some of the upper level.
Speaker 1:You know things that I've seen without, you know, violating the auditor's code. But you know I've seen people go into full convulsions in session because of incidents and things like that that they couldn't control and just turned on. And you know I mean that's just physical, but I mean you see these things and it's more than real for them because they're reliving it right then. And there, you know, I've seen beings fly off of other people's bodies. I've seen shadows cast off from a body. I've seen things float above people. I've had things jump from them to me, to me and I had a knots PC that had an entity jump from them and onto me in session and it caused the most excruciating cramp in my leg and my TRs stayed in because they had to stay in and I had to handle it while I was handling her at the same time in the session. This particular person who was elderly and she felt such a tremendous amount of relief from these sessions and you see all kinds of crazy phenomena. We've had lights flicker in the room, we've had the power go off, we've had, I mean, noises, things, and you know, just, they're just all phenomena. But the but the thing is is it's this stuff really, really works and and that the phenomena is just the phenomena. But the end result is never anything less than spectacular Most of the time.
Speaker 1:Sure, there are average sessions where you're just, you're just digging the ditch and all that stuff, but usually after a couple of sessions they're like oh, this stuff is working and it doesn't sound like it should work, but it is. Questions are like oh, this stuff is working and it doesn't sound like it should work, but it is Because it's just on the printed page. But the printed page has this path. That is. You almost don't get that. It's a path, but it is, and if you take that path and you do what he says, you'll get what he says. You'll get every damn time and I just that just blows me away is I used, I used to be, are you sure?
Speaker 1:I'm not so sure if this is going to happen. When I first started back in the eighties and and and now I just I used to be afraid to go in session because the church made you afraid to go in session because that's what they wanted. And once I started doing it the way he says to do it and I cast off this crazy ass consideration that the church put on me in training at Flag, you know, I just go in session and it's no different than me just sitting down and talking to somebody. There's no fear of anything, it's just comfortable. All right, I know what to do, I know how to do it, I don't have to think about it, it's there and everything's fine and that is the coolest thing ever. It's just with ease and that's. You know.
Speaker 1:That's why I got in, became an independent Scientology auditor is is. I knew that the tech worked and I knew what the church was doing was something other than what Hubbard said, and that's you know why I do this, why we do this here for people is because it's freedom. It's freedom from the church, like LRH says, to freedom to do real Scientology the way it was meant to be and make it fun and it's not all serious and and all of this stuff. It's it's a blast.
Speaker 2:I agree, totally agree. Yeah, I mean, like you said, the phenomena and the manifestations and stuff, those are all just kind of like normal at some point After being an auditor for so long, you kind of normalize. Oh okay, there's a thing, you know, I was in session and literally started speaking a different language. Like me personally Started speaking a different language in session and I was because I'm doing this, I'm in the middle of this incident and I'm, I'm sorry, going into a whole different language and I was saying what I was saying in the incident. But I'm in, you know, 2020, at the time it was like 2008. It's like 2008 and I'm going through this thing, but I'm just saying what I was saying in the incident. You know, in the incident, you know, and so all kinds of stuff that comes up.
Speaker 2:When you talked about, you know, helping a person through a prenatal, that was really, really fascinating. To help a person through a prenatal, because if any of you have ever read Dianetics, he talks about some of the manifestations, some of the things that the pre-career might experience when they're in a prenatal incident and, like you have to move them through it, you have to help them through it, you have to walk them through it and being trained and experienced and skilled to be able to do that, you know what to do when that stuff turns on. I'm going to tell you something. I've been in psychotherapy before I found Scientology. I know that they have no idea, no idea what to do at that level. They have no idea what you're going to talk to me about. How do you feel? How do you feel about that? There's so much more to it yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1:No, that's right. It's like, yeah, there's so much more to it. Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 2:No, that's right. Go ahead so yeah, I thought Matt was saying something.
Speaker 1:Matt, were you going to say something? No, no, no, okay. Well, you know, that's the thing with being an auditor is, you know, you do have a roadmap and you do know what to do, and that's that's the coolest thing ever. And it's not, it's not the normal beaten path to society. You, you're, you're doing something that is rarely done. I've I've told Matt and and Darby on a few occasions do you know how many people are actually doing this on this planet at this moment and how rare it is that you are doing this particular thing out of eight plus billion people on a daily basis? And the ability that you have and the things that you can do, you know I sat down and I did a touch assist with Darby. He had hurt his wrist and he was blown away by a simple touch assist on how it changed, how his body felt and his wrist felt after about a 10 minute touch assist.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:This simple thing.
Speaker 2:I've talked about this in a podcast before, but just again, having this tech right, it makes you almost, you know, a superhero, because there was a time we was in Washington DC no, I'm sorry, atlanta, georgia and my 2D was washing dishes A glass broke. I think I talked about this on a previous podcast. The glass broke and sliced his hand open across the top. Just sliced it open and blood is everywhere. It was excruciating, and so we tried to rinse it underwater, hoping it'll stop bleeding. It didn't. We tried to bandage it. It didn't stop bleeding. It bled right through the bandages and I said well, listen, wrap it and then let's just do a touch assist. Okay, so he wrapped it.
Speaker 2:I started doing the touch assist for my feet feel my finger, feel my finger and immediately, while sitting there in the chair, the wound started closing up, just like this. The wound started closing up. Well, just this. The wound started closing up. Why just do it? Feel my finger, feel my finger. The wound started closing up. It stopped bleeding and you could see the wound closing up and so, when we took the bandage off, you can literally it wasn't fully closed you can literally look down in the gaping wound. No blood is coming out, no pain, okay, and it was all from sitting down and doing a touch assist, and of course we had to go to the doctor and get some stitches or whatever, but the touch assist stopped the bleeding and the touch assist started to close the wound and the sutures just kept it closed.
Speaker 2:That's all, isn't that something?
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's quite fascinating actually.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, you know I mean, whether it's a touch assist or you know some other assist, because you know those are objective type things having to do with bodies and the physical universe and all of that. You know those are those. You know miracles, as usual type of thing, you know, dianetics is too, but too, but it's, you know it's a subjective thing. Uh, to a certain degree, uh, you know there's, there's just so many amazing things. Uh, loss assists, the loss assist, the sober assist.
Speaker 3:You know that I mean the assists are phenomenal on on what they can do, you know, and then I think there's there's also one called a fever assist as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, a fever assist? Yeah, and you did one last week.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was actually quite fascinating how he came up to me. You actually came up to me and you were like, hey, listen, he's got a fever, would you do a fever assist on him? I was like, okay, cool, I went inside, did the fever assist him. I was like, okay, cool, I went inside, did the fever assist and all of a sudden, the fever just disappeared within five minutes and he actually told me that this had something to do with something he was studying, which I then knew immediately that you knew that, because otherwise you wouldn't have told me to do it, which is really, really cool the fact that I could help him through that, and I look forward to doing it again with someone else.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean the phenomena that you see isn't just in auditing, but on course you can see things. On course that people read and it triggers them, restimulates them on something, and then other things turn on and they're just out of left field. But you know there are tools there that that can handle that. That will then point back to what it was they were studying as an example, and then you can get that sorted out. But things do turn on. But that but that's another thing is you know, well, I have this handy dandy tool called, you know, case supervisor training that tells me okay, I see, this is what's going on, I see this is what needs to be done.
Speaker 1:We have this tool for this. It's a Phillips screwdriver. We use the Phillips screwdriver, we do this, we get the screws put back in and everything tightens up and then now everything works the way that it's supposed to. And it's just this one line question on a fever assist. Basically, you know, as you're directing their attention towards something, it's these little things that you go. I mean, you know, you just have to think about it for a second.
Speaker 1:This little fever says you know, find something in this room, hold it down that handles a fever, find something in this room hold it down, and then you know it would be well, I need to go get some ibuprofen, or I need to, you know, a cold compress. Well, I need to go get some ibuprofen, or I need to, you know, cold compress. Or maybe take a cool bath, or I need to do this, I need to do that, and then 12, 24 hours later, or something like that, sometimes even longer, the fever finally comes down. Or you can do this and it took five, 10 minutes, something like that, and the fever goes away. That's why, yeah, it's just a lot simpler something like that and the fever goes away.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's just a lot simpler.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's why I became an independent Scientology auditor is because this is a technology that doesn't exist anywhere else on this planet. It is so far advanced, it is beyond space-age technology, it transcends space-age technology. You know, there are civilizations out there right now that don't have this technology that we have here on earth, and how lucky are we.
Speaker 2:I'm telling you. Yeah, I actually went to the national institutes of health in Washington DC and a gentleman was in the hospital there the National Institute of Health, nih hospital and he had a brain tumor, had a brain tumor. And when I come into the room his wife is sitting there. Of course she's very distraught, but she's keeping her stuff together and he's gray. So just to look at the guy, he's gray, his skin is gray, almost like an alien, right, and so I'm talking to him.
Speaker 2:I was like you know how you doing, or whatever. He's like oh, you know, I'm okay. You know, I haven't eaten in a while. I said, oh, you haven't eaten anything. And he said no. I said well, okay, um, I asked the nurse because she brings some food. So she brought food and he tried to eat something but he couldn't.
Speaker 2:And I said, well, why don't we do an assist? So I asked his wife, you know, was it okay? And I asked him was it okay? Hold on a second, sorry, somebody called. Can you guys hear me? Yep, yep, okay, okay, okay. I don't know what's going on, I can't hear you, but she anyway, I asked him was it okay? And I start running the assist on him and within about 40 minutes, about 40 minutes, within about 40 minutes, he's sitting up and he's bright, his skin color returns to normal, he's like a normal skin tone and he goes, oh, pass me that, pass me those, that food. So we roll the food up to him and he's like, can I get some hot sauce? And he just it's like nothing was wrong. You know, it's like nothing was wrong, like, and what it was, what it was was, he just had to get back in communication with his body. You know now, obviously that didn't resolve the brain tumor, but the idea is that, like you know, you can handle this thing and you, as a being, know how to do it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you provide, you're providing relief. I mean, you know we're not going to grow arms back or something like that, we're not, we're not cephalopods but I mean you can, you can provide relief, sweeping relief, and in a lot of cases with like we're talking about, with assists and stuff like that, because those are some of the most dramatic, I mean we've got to bring back to life assist. Even you know, and regular auditing is different. It's either a slow or it's an immediate, depending on the level of auditing that we're doing to.
Speaker 1:You know, the results that you get sometimes they're just so crazy powerful and you don't know that they're going to happen. You never know when they're coming, they just show up. And other times you know it's just, it's just a regular day and they got something out of it and it builds on itself and it builds on itself and all that. But you know it's it's never, there's never a dull moment. I mean you're, you're, you're doing a procedure and you just do that procedure and you get the results and and that that's where that build on it comes from. But you know the, the, it's the, the, the times where where people just they're just blown away and this big, huge grief charge comes off or the whatever it is that that you you think. You know how lucky am I to to be able to do this for somebody and provide a change in their life that they would have never, ever had otherwise.
Speaker 3:Right, look, I honestly think that this is probably the most rewarding job anybody could ever have, because, at the end of the day, whatever you're doing to help someone else in Scientology, you see the results and you see them really, really quickly, at least most of the time and that, at the end of the day, makes you feel better as well as them. It's just, it's really rewarding.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I can't think of a more rewarding job because of the accuracy of what people get out of it. You know it's, you've got. You're shooting an arrow into the heart of aberration and totally giving this person a new lease on life from something that they didn't even know was bothering them, but was really, really bothering them. I've never been able to do that in any other way than with this. How about you, quentin?
Speaker 2:Yeah, and my awareness is, and part of the reason why I am a big proponent of starting with Dianetics Auditing is because it gets you so acclimated to what you're looking for in you right and Mateo is an amazing Dianetics Auditor and you get kind of training yourself as a person receiving the auditing. You're training yourself to look for what you need to look for.
Speaker 3:Right yeah.
Speaker 2:And you go in and the auditor, of course, is helping you and so we're going to be walking you through it and you know, go over that again, go over that again, do that, you know whatever. And you're training yourself. What am I looking for? Why is this messing me up?
Speaker 2:I had a guy, real quick story. I had a guy who was getting constant migraines, constant migraines. And so he calls me and we're talking on the phone or whatever, whatever. And I take him in session, not over the phone, it was in person. I take him in session and he goes back to this moment where his mother he had a secondary where his mother died and his sister calls him at work and she goes hello and she goes mama's dead, mama's dead, and she's just screaming in the phone. There she goes and it hit him like a ton of bricks. And guess what was causing the migraines? The telephone. He had a lock on this telephone. So he's at work every day. He had been in his job for many, many years and he's at work every day and he would get these terrible migraines and it was the telephone that was causing them. We spotted it, released that incident, released the lock. Never got migraines again. Done, done.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's the kind of thing that I'm talking about. Is you know, you wouldn't know that this equals that, equals that. You know, A equals A equals A yeah. And that's the thing is you never know where it's going to come from. But every single auditing process is like that in some way, every single one, and that leads to a cognition, an epiphany, a realization about life.
Speaker 2:Because what's aberrating you? You can't spot it, necessarily Like it's below your conscious level of awareness. Yeah, and so?
Speaker 1:you don't know what it is.
Speaker 2:And so you think that, oh, it's because of what my mama said when I was three, or what my daddy did when I was five, or what my first girlfriend or my second, third husband. If you're thinking about it, it probably ain't it. Yeah, I can tell you that now yeah.
Speaker 3:It'll always be something you least think, quite honestly, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's why it's there and it's persisting, is it's unobserved, and it's our job to find that area that charge and dissipate it. And when we open the Easter egg, it dissipates and it falls right out and oh, there it is, and they're like, oh wow, I never did it. You know the that it's always different and and and that's why it's aberration is because it doesn't make sense, but at the time it did and they tied all these things together. So that's that's. That's the neat thing about it is is it's it's always different, and the further you go up the bridge, it just gets more and more and more that way, to where there's never a dull moment on the OT levels auditing knots. It's incredible what happens. It's never the same thing ever, twice, ever, ever.
Speaker 1:When I went into session and I can talk about this because I was the pre-OT when I went into session early on my new OT5, that was probably, I don't know, five, seven sessions in and Patricia Konek was my auditor on it I had to deal with an entity that had been with me for I don't know. It was a really, really long time that I didn't know was there and this thing I had never to that time I had never felt what fear was until I confronted that particular entity in that session. And I mean, there was like a the ceiling went from a ceiling to a black ceiling and just sort of like being out in deep space type of a thing, and there was just this vibe, this energy coming that was as menacing as anything could be menacing. It was doom, it was my doom and it was part of me, I thought, and she just blithely did the commands, you know, and I don't mean in a bad way, but at least she just did what she was supposed to do and everything and it was, you know, the lights grew dim and that type of a thing in my space and it just was gone as quick as it showed up. As quick as it showed up, and that was one of the most as quick as it showed up, and that was one of the most palpable things I'd ever felt.
Speaker 1:I'd never, ever, felt a fear like that. There's fear. And then there's this, you know, and there was another one on my L10 with her, where I realized that there were six or seven of me walking around in various universes and I was attached to all of me in those universes and they were all a little bit different than the one that we're in here and I and I know as corny as that sounds, I know it's it's it's to be true. I don't know how to explain it, I just know that it is. And it's.
Speaker 1:I don't know how to explain it, I just know that it is, and it's not something I dwell on or anything like that, but I do find it fascinating. But it was something that I became aware of and said, okay, okay, that's fine and it doesn't have any effect on me anymore, but I know that it's there and sometimes I get communications from these other me's and sometimes they get communications from me and that's all I need to know about it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it's interesting because, like you said, lrh was light years ahead of his time. You know, 1950s. Like who would have thought like this stuff would hit in the 1950s? Like who would have thought like this, this stuff was hit in the 1950s, you know, we barely had color tv, color television. I don't think we did have color. No, we didn't have color television back then. So it's like who would have thought that this was the case?
Speaker 2:But I'll say this, as you were just talking to that, talking about that story, and thank you for sharing that um, I thought about gandalf and he's running through the, the, the bowels of mordor, or uh of, uh, no, mount, mount, doom, and he's running through the bowels of it and the bar dog comes out and he was like you shall not pass. He knew what he was doing. Right, you knew what you were doing. Listen, a creepy crawly, a big monster, whatever comes out, whatever you got to deal with in your life, in yourself, in your stuff. But if you know what you're doing and you're working with a skilled auditor who knows how to get through this stuff, and you shall not pass, you shall not pass. You just ain't gonna happen, you know, because you know what you're doing, and so I think that I listen. Art imitates life. So when we see that's true, when we get off, you know, when we see the marvels talking about, you know the multiverse, and you talk talking about just six, seven different you's walking around here. They're slightly different, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, all right, it takes lots, yeah, it's just honestly that just makes me think of the matrix yes, yeah, yeah, and that's that's the thing is, you become aware of this phenomena and everything like that, but you're just, you know you're, you're complete certainty and you just got it and you go okay, this is what's going on here, I understand it, I see it. Wow, that was cool and it doesn't affect me anymore.
Speaker 2:I'm, I'm a cause over it and you just boom, you know, just like uh gandalf either, yeah, and when you go ahead, I was gonna say, and when you can blow through something like that and handle something so menacing, so seemingly formidable, and then you come back into the real world and like now you're stuck in traffic and it's like your road rage doesn't turn on anymore. It's like I just vanquished a demon and your road rage don't turn on anymore. It's like, oh OK, I'm just sitting in traffic and your road rage don't turn on anymore. It's like, oh okay, I'm just sitting in traffic, you know, like you recover some of your knowingness about who you really are and the little things don't have to impact you so much anymore.
Speaker 3:Like no, I'm good. Yeah, I mean, you can't really go wrong if you have the tools to combat any of that.
Speaker 1:And we have those tools. Yeah, that the thing. You just need to know about them, and once you, you, you, you learn how to use them. You're like, oh, okay, and you don't even have to look at it on paper, you just have it in your head.
Speaker 3:How much does that happen with you, matt, where you're like I know how to handle this, quite a few times after the first few times, to be honest, like, for example, my first few auditing sessions I was horrible. I honestly can say now with full certainty that I was absolutely horrible. In fact, my first two PCs just up and left, and they didn't give me a reason why. But at the end of the day you can kind of put two and two together. But after that I kind of started focusing more on what I was doing wrong and what I should be doing right. And then after a while you just again put two and two together and you're like okay, I know what's going on here, I know how to handle this, let me do that. And it just starts coming naturally the more you do it yeah, that's where I'm at right now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you know that an auditor learns by auditing and and, yeah, once you get it, it becomes second nature and it just all seems seamless. And that's one of the cool things about it is that he did have all these tools and he did see that they were needed and did create them and had solutions for them, and there isn't anything we don't have a solution for as an auditor, and that's pretty freaking awesome yeah, all it takes is is a bit of practice.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's, that's it study and practice, study and practice, you know and I can honestly say now I'm gonna blow my own trumpet here a little bit, but I can honestly say I no longer go wrong in a Dianetic session. I know what to do and that's it. You need to know what to do. As long as you know what to do, I don't see any way anything that can go wrong.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, Matt, you're doing a fine job in training and in auditing and everything, and we're really proud of you and Darby's in the course room right now studying his level zero materials and everything like that, and you guys are really doing great and I'm really proud to have you in our ranks and I thank you for that.
Speaker 3:I appreciate that I had a good mentor.
Speaker 1:Yeah, thanks, I appreciate that. I had a good mentor. Yeah, thanks, I appreciate that very much. You're very welcome, all right. Well, I hope everybody enjoyed this and gave you some insight into what it's like to be an auditor from a couple different people's perspectives uh, all of us knowledgeable in our fields and we will see you again for another podcast, maybe tomorrow or Saturday. Thanks for listening and we will talk to you soon, namaste, and we love you. Thank you, thanks for watching.