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SE10EP31 - The Games We Play
What if you could view every situation in your life as a game where you make the rules? In this thought-provoking episode, we dive deep into how recognizing life as a series of games can transform your experience from being trapped in circumstances to consciously creating the reality you desire.
The magic begins when you realize that as spiritual beings, we must agree to certain limitations to play games at all. Without challenges, opponents, and unpredictable elements, there is no game worth playing. But the crucial distinction lies in whether you're playing games of your conscious choosing or unconsciously participating in games designed by others.
We explore the powerful moment when you decide to end a game that no longer serves you—and why simply quitting isn't enough. The true transformation comes when you decide to end by winning, a subtle shift that dramatically changes your outcomes. One participant shares a personal experience of deciding to end a particular life game, and the surprising flood of new opportunities that appeared immediately afterward.
The discussion turns to identifying allies versus opponents across all dynamics—relationships, friendships, work environments, and financial matters. Learning to quickly discern who supports your game and who opposes it saves tremendous energy and positions you for success.
As you progress in Scientology, particularly around Grade Three (Freedom Release), you gain the ability to face the future without fear and predict outcomes with increased accuracy. This newfound freedom allows you to design games with clear rules from the beginning, ensuring you cannot lose because you've established your parameters upfront.
Ready to stop feeling like a victim of circumstances and start playing life on your terms? Discover how to create your own Monopoly board where you decide which properties matter, who gets to play, and how victory is defined. Your life becomes more joyful when you're playing games of your own designing rather than struggling through someone else's rulebook.
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We should start a new season. Hi and welcome to another AOGP Scientology Outside of the Church podcast. This is season 10, episode 31. This one is going to be loosely titled Games, or the Games we Play.
Speaker 1:This was Artie's idea and I'm here with arthur and quentin, so we're going to get going on this. First off, I want to mention we've got, uh, a special, a bridge special package, half price. This is your entire bridge, everything included. Contact us for more details through the end of April. Half of our price, and that is a mere fraction of what it is in the church.
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Speaker 2:hmm well, for me it kicked off listening to um another podcast, um with trey lots um part of the free zone. Is trey still around or is he he's passed, hasn't he? No, he's still around. Yeah, he's still. Oh, he's still. He's still going, is he?
Speaker 2:okay, as far as as far as I know, yep, okay, and so after listening to that, it it really affected me on how we play games in life, and I really enjoyed the concept of everything we do to see it as a game. You know, how are you going to play your next move, how are you going to play this, how are you going to play this, how you're going to play that. But the thing that really struck me about it was choosing games where the games you play are allies versus opponents, and being able to distinguish the difference between an ally and opponent.
Speaker 2:In whatever you do, whether it's through money, whether it's through relationships, whether it's through friendships, um, group circles, your work, um, pretty much through every dynamic, um, and there's so many different ways we could go about this, um, but I think just the idea of seeing life as a game and the things we do in it kind of puts you in third person view, like you're not. You're not. Person view, like you're not. You're not in it as much, you're not. You're not caught in the emotions as much, but you can. You can sort of look at the way you do things more objectively, um, rather than being at effect, I think just being able to change your mind around how you view things can put you more at cause than effect by looking at things as a game and then I'm going to bring another component into it early which I'm sure we'll get into but also around the power of the postulations, around deciding what games you're going to play and deciding which games you don't want to play.
Speaker 1:Well, per the Scientology axioms, a thetan has to agree to become aberrated in order to play a game.
Speaker 2:So the game has to be of an aberrative nature to play it.
Speaker 3:Well, yeah, because as a thetan, we are operating from a highest level of knowingness and beingness, right. So in order to kind of sink down into games, which is still high on the tone scale, right, but in order to sink down into games, you have to agree to become aberrated, to even, like, play this game with yourself, right, because it really is us kind of creating this whole and mocking this whole game up. I mean, we talked before about Monopoly and we can go down the whole list of the Parker Brothers games or whatever that's out there we can like. You have to agree that, wait, I'm going to be the or I'm going to have an opponent, or I'm going to have an opponent. I'm going to have these barriers and these freedoms and these things that go within it. I'm going to have a purpose to even go around this board called life, right, and so we kind of have to agree to become aberrated, to sink down into the game's state, if that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, because then down into the game's state, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2:Yeah because then there's no game. If there's no challenge to it, if there's no adversity, if there's no journey, if there's no challenges, if there's nothing to confront you, there's no boss at the end that you need to defeat, then there's nothing there. Is there Right?
Speaker 1:right Right.
Speaker 2:And I suppose that boss is often us, to some degree ourselves it's.
Speaker 1:It's kind of like we're defeating ourselves to win the game well, it wouldn't be a game if you knew, knew what the outcome was. That's, that's the freedom's freedoms, boundaries and purposes. So you, so, if you've ever played checkers chess with yourself or whatever it's, it's not a game. It's not a game because you know what, you know what the moves are, and that's you know. Yeah, yeah, I think Dayton's got to have an optimum amount of randomity. So the optimum amount of randomity is a not know Well of randomity. So the optimum amount of randomity is a not no well, will I finish the race in first or will I finish the race? You know, you know the. There's really what is it that expression is?
Speaker 2:is second place, is second place loser yeah, and then third place is more acceptable than second place? Yeah, because second is the loser.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right, right so you have these. Yeah, that's interesting. You create these postulates of games that you're going to play, but you the postulates that you make in the game with the opposing terminal.
Speaker 2:That's where the aberration comes from as to what the terminal is that you choose to oppose, and then at the lower end of the bridge, that's where the aberration is and it was funny because the other day Quinton and I had a really good chat earlier in the week and I was sharing about a game I decided to end, and the amount of things that occurred in a different direction just from deciding wholeheartedly I just don't want to play this anymore.
Speaker 2:And then Quinton added a little bonus to it and he goes let me add to that. I'm like, okay, I'm thinking what more could you add to it? And he says to me well, you end this game, but you're going to win. And that really struck me hard because in my head it was just like all right, I just want to end this game, I want out. And then Quinton's like well, are you going to win? Which really hit home for me as well, because that just added a whole new layer to what I thought was good enough. So I had to rethink my postulate. Okay, now that I've ended, ended this game, what do I do next?
Speaker 3:how do I? Yeah, I want to. I want to win about it. I want to win and end Right. I want to end it by winning.
Speaker 1:Right yeah, not by losing.
Speaker 2:So with these games, yeah go ahead, go Quinton, yeah go.
Speaker 3:No, I was just saying. So, with these games that we're playing, like we're coming up with this and we're living life, and we're coming up with this and we're living life, and we're creating these problems, we're creating these opponents, we're creating these situations where we have to kind of like um, figure out how to level ourselves up. And this, this is the game that I play, like I, I, I like to level myself up in the game, right, this is the game that I play, like I, I, I like to level myself up in the game, right. And so, excuse me, whether it be through our physical body and going to the gym, I think, jonathan, you just did your personal best in your um, in your walking and getting your exercise in. Like, that's fantastic.
Speaker 3:And so we're doing these things to level ourselves up in order to be ready for the next level or the next obstacle course or whatever you're going on with. You've got to be ready for the next thing, right? And so that's kind of how I look at it. I look at it that way when it comes to finances. I look at it that way when it comes to my intelligence and how I operate with my intelligence. I haven't gotten that way yet when it comes to working out. But you know how I operate with my intelligence. I haven't gotten that way yet when it comes to working out, but I'm working on it.
Speaker 3:I gotta level up sure yeah, so so where?
Speaker 1:does. Where do we take this? Where do we take?
Speaker 2:this? Where do we take this, guys? Well, I was. Yeah, there's a certain magic.
Speaker 2:I've realized around this as well, because, like, if you're always in a game and you're just stuck just rolling dice, just rolling dice, rolling dice, rolling dice, and you could be stuck in the same game for so, so long and not even recognize that you're stuck in the game, and then you're just going over and over, you just keep going around the board constantly.
Speaker 2:You pass, go, you collect your money, you spend it. You pass, go, you collect your money, you spend it, you roll the dice, you just randomly land wherever parking fines, speeding fines, taxes, electricity, whatever and you just keep getting stuck in this circle. But then I've realized, through my own life experience, the moment I decided no, no more, no more. Then opportunities just magically appeared everywhere, which created new games, but they came with their own challenges and they're and they're challenges that I haven't yet faced real simple things, but things I've never had to do and I think that's also the hard part is recognizing those little miracles that come with your postulation and taking them. You have to take them as well in order to create new games as well. What do you guys say?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think it's so interesting because when a being is stuck in a game right. So, like LRH talks about no games conditions right, a no games condition and when the being is is stuck in a game, that actually is a no game condition, they like like you don't, you don't, you don't have a way to win, there's no way to win, I can't win at this. Have you ever felt that way before? Like I just can't win at this? Have you ever felt that way before? Like I just can't win? You know, and it's like. It's like when you're in this condition where you're stuck in it and you can't ever win which also means an ending to the game right, by winning you kind of end the game. We talked about that a second ago. So if you're stuck in this situation, if you're stuck at this job or you're stuck in this, you know life or you're stuck in this situation. If you're stuck at this job, or you're stuck in this life, or you're stuck in this town or you're stuck in this situation, it's like you can never win. And because you can never win, you're actually in a no games condition, and so the way out is to invent games, and so this is a really, really interesting process because one goes in and starts inventing games to play. Inventing games to play and I think we have a lot of interesting games that we already kind of work with and we were already playing this life but imagine being able to like mock up your own game. Being able to really mock up your own game and like, yeah, this is my thing, I know I can win this. It comes with the air of confidence, it comes with a sense of purpose, it comes with a sense of clarity that you've mocked this game up and you're able to win at it. And even in that there's going to be challenges and things that pop up. But I feel like I'm good, I can win this. I'm pretty confident that I can win this game and you play it with that level of awareness and confidence.
Speaker 3:A football team that has trained so well. They don't know the ultimate outcome. I don't know how many points we're going to get. I don't know how many goals we're going to get. I don't know how many goals we're going to score or whatever, but I do know we're ready to win. We're prepared to win, we're ready to set it off, and when you go into the game and you run out the bleachers or you run out the back room or whatever I don't know what they call it and you're like, yeah, and you're ready to win this thing. That's the, that's the most amazing feeling. That's the most amazing feeling in the world yeah, and it's.
Speaker 1:It's important that when you're you're, you're playing a game and you've decided to play a game, you have to have this intention to win and that you know. Think about that. You have to have the intention to win, whatever it takes. Whatever it takes, you have to push yourself, push yourself and you have to decide. Like he says in the Root to Infinity lectures, you have to picture what it is, what end result is. You have to put it there. You have to see it and make yes, it's changed the physical universe into.
Speaker 2:You know it's, it's almost sort of a fake, it till you make it kind of thing yeah, and then, and it's, and it's interesting, when we come into this life, there's already a game set up for us and most of us fall into that game. You know just your standard. You know you need to work, you need to live, you know buy a house, have a family, um, like there's, there's a series of games already pre-designed for us. But then how do you create your own game?
Speaker 1:Well, you have to mock it up. You have to mock up who you're playing it with or what you're playing it with, and you also have to be able to oh gosh, trying to think of the expression. Oh gosh, trying to think of the expression. You have to be able to get the, how much effort you're going to put in. You know, the only way you can be wrong is under or overestimation of effort. That's why I say you'd much rather be playing a game and overestimate it than underestimate it do everything you can.
Speaker 2:And you know that's hard to do. I struggle overestimating my potential ability.
Speaker 3:Which. I find really interesting you struggle in overestimating or you struggle to overestimate.
Speaker 2:Yes, Well, to overestimate, yeah, okay, Like I find that that might. What I see my potential to be is is, I don't know.
Speaker 3:It's like there's a wall there and then trying to break through that wall can be quite, quite tricky yeah well yeah well, go ahead no, I was just going to say that it's interesting because I believe that confidence if you look at the word confidence, con and fidelity is where it comes from with faith or faithfulness is really what it says. Confidelity or confaith're operating with faithfulness of who you are, faithfulness in your ability, faithfulness in what you can do, whatever that is. If I, if I'm a dishwasher, you can't out dishwash me. I'm sorry, you know I'm the best dishwasher there is. You can't, you can't beat me. You know what I'm saying. I always say that. I tell Jonathan all the time you can't lose with the stuff I use. Right, my Kung Fu is strong, and so when you have confidence or you operate with faithfulness as it relates to who you are, that actually is the way.
Speaker 3:Like you said, that overestimation of effort. I'm going to do my absolute best. I'm going to do everything that I can do in order to win this game and my opponents are my opponents. You know what I'm saying and my tools are my tools and my resources are my resources and my points are my points and I feel good about that. You know, when I play Monopoly, I try to end Monopoly with everything. Have you ever won Monopoly? And then you sit there and you counted all your money. That's what I do. So after I win Monopoly, I don't just say, okay, I won, thank you. I sit and I count all my money. I add up all the properties that I own, I count all the houses that I own and I'm like, okay, and I give myself a full status write-up this is what I own. I know it's kind of crazy.
Speaker 1:Well, it's important that at the lower end, you understand, at the lower end of the bridge, you've got games that you're playing, that you're not aware of, that you decided to play and you've got the games playing you instead of you playing the game. And that's the point is, you need to play a game of your choosing, not a game that is overly aberrative. Too much randomity, too little randomity. You know optimum randomity, but the thing is, is you create the randomity of your game? That's, that's part of the postulate.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, and that's that's, that's, that's. That's not a small thing to get your head around, really, um, because, like to create your postulate, you know, you kind of look at the goal as opposed to the steps and, um, the little bits and pieces before that goal and there's a lot of question marks within that journey as well isn't there, and I suppose that's what kind of makes it a little exciting, because most of us, like most people, let's say, for example, struggle financially. So the end goal is to be rich, win the lotto, right, but how many people win the lotto and then live their life out because they won the lotto, as an example? Um, as opposed to creating something more substantial and all those randomities that occur towards their end goal. You know, I just want to be happy, like, how often do you hear that? You know, I just, I just want to feel joy.
Speaker 2:How often do you hear things like that? You know what I mean. I want um love, I want all these things. I want, I want, I want, I want. Um, they're kind of small really, aren't they? As opposed to, as opposed to becoming the best I can be, whatever that means the best at something Like Quinton saying with a monopoly. He counts the hotels and his money at the end just to see how much he's actually succeeded. You're actually acknowledging the level of your success.
Speaker 3:Just in a board game, yes, I give myself a serious win. I won this and I will tell you how well I won it. Yeah, yeah, you know it's interesting because Ella Rae talks about this a little bit in the games versus no games lecture. It was given October 25th 1956. And you know, we go through life and we have these things that happen to us, supposedly right, these things that happen to us. And he says that I'm not going to read it all, but he basically talks about how we live in a two-terminal universe and we live in this universe where communication is the way we kind of have things happen right and cause distance, affect, that whole thing. And so he says where is it? He said so you mock your. He said there's a process that doesn't work. He said this is not a good technique. Mock up yourself dead, Mock up yourself dead, Mock up yourself dead. He said, no good, it's not a good technique. Mock up somebody else dead, Mock up somebody else dead, Mock up somebody else dead. That's a good technique. And so when you play this game, the bad technique is to disparage yourself, is to put yourself into this mock up yourself dead. Like, oh my God, I've messed up, oh my God, I'm a victim. You know, oh my God, this whole thing. And so he goes on to say he says so. We have a tool here that differentiates between good and bad technique.
Speaker 3:Now, I can guarantee you that you will undoubtedly, here and there, flub on this one, this one. You will flub because your preclear is so anxious to convince you that he is a victim. Yeah, he's a victim. A victim of what? A victim of his playing games. Yeah, he's a victim of that, but he doesn't think that he, that he's a victim of that. He thinks he's a victim of some other way. He's only a victim of him playing games. Ok, and so he's. So the free clear is trying to convince the auditor that, but but this is what happened. But I'm a victim. But I'm a victim. But no, you're a victim of playing a game and not destroying your opponent.
Speaker 2:Wrap your head around that yeah, yeah, I'm trying, I'm trying, I'm telling you man.
Speaker 1:What have you got for us?
Speaker 2:John Huh, what have you got for us?
Speaker 1:Well, I think Quentin said it best. I mean, whatever you're doing, you're playing a game Okay, and it's a game of your own choosing. And if you don't want to play that game, then you have to change the game. And that's the hardest thing is, you know, how do I? People ask, how do I get into a different game? Well, it's pretty easy. You have to decide, you just choose it. You choose it.
Speaker 2:Pick it off the shelf.
Speaker 3:Well, and you have to decide, you choose it, pick it off the shelf, well, well, well, and you have to, and you have to counter create. I think this is what the conversation I mean I had the other day create, counter, create. You have to counter create the old game and and so if you're still, if you're still, uh, playing nice with your opponent you know what I'm saying and you're still kind of doing this thing no, you got to destroy. It's in it. The good technique is mock up somebody else dead. That's the good technique. The bad technique is not going to be.
Speaker 3:I cried when I read this, because when you really look at life, it's like no, when it comes to getting a job interview, you make no qualms about it. I'm going to wipe the floor with them. This is going to be the best job interview I've ever done and I'm going to get that job and everybody else is going to be jobless. You know what I'm saying as far as this position is concerned, and you have no problem playing that game with that scenario, right, I'm going to get this job and nobody else will have this position but me, right in that situation. But when it comes to other things in life. We want to be all well, everybody can win Everybody.
Speaker 1:That ain't how it work.
Speaker 2:Yeah well, I mean you know, yeah, that's a good point, that's a great point. Actually, actually, there can only be one winner.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so my game. Let me be clear a one winner for my game yes, I'm talking about my game. So in playing my game, there can only be one winner. I'm gonna win my game period. You're not gonna win my game. There can only be one winner. I'm going to win my game period. You're not going to win my game that don't make sense.
Speaker 2:Oh, he got it. I like that yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so to bring it back, arthur, what was it you were saying at the beginning of the podcast? As as far as the, you know who you're playing the game with, or what you're playing the game with then yeah, so, yeah, so the allies and versus opponents, right, um.
Speaker 2:So I suppose in a more subtle way, um, and I suppose the best kind of um example would be saying a in a relationship, quite often we come together as allies, we think of the other person, we want to help each other, but then we soon find out that we're actually opponents. And then you can step that into friendships as well. You might make friendships where you're allies and then all of a sudden you become opponents. And I think there's a bit of a trick, as I understand it, to recognizing who's an ally versus an opponent as soon as possible, like as soon as possible, right, which I suppose, where things like yeah, go who you play the game with.
Speaker 1:If, if, if there's, if there's an I mean you know a terminal, you know can, it could be. It could be a sled dog. You know it doesn't have to be a person, or you know it could be. It could be the environment. How are you going to? You know, how are you going to make a cabin in Alaska? What do I have to do to do that? And that's a game, and you have to look at what's it going to take to do this. And you have to understand that every game there's risk. A game has risk. What kind of risk is implied? What you know, what are your, your opponents and what are your allies? You have to think about that and say, okay, this is the type of game that I want to play, but you know it's, it's a matter of deciding. Do I want to play and and this, you hear this a lot in scientology well, that's a really big game. That's something you know we should talk about too is what's what's a big game? What's what's funny?
Speaker 2:just before we go into that.
Speaker 2:Sorry, quentin, just something you just said then, um, around looking at the risk, looking at this, looking at that, you could take a potential game that seems really big and then all of a sudden win it really fast, just by going through that process.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just by sorting out all the risks, enter the game, knowing all the rules, and then just win it and then move on to the next one, as opposed to taking a risk and then fumbling, trying to work out all the things that have occurred. Like, let's say, you buy a second-hand car, for example, you know, if you look that car over, get it checked by a mechanic, you get into that car. You know you've got X amount of time with it, as opposed to just grabbing it and then realising as you're driving it, oh, it needs a gearbox, it needs a clutch, it needs this, it needs that as you go along. Whereas if you look after that car, spend the time looking at the risks, as you said, looking at the risks, as you said, looking at the positives, then you've won a lot sooner. I mean, it still has its risks, um, but you're minimizing the potential risks and and you're getting to your goal way faster just by spending that little bit of time exploring those, those elements.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I like how lrh puts it when he refers to. When we look along the dynamics, and he refers to that particular dynamic, we'll just say the fifth dynamic and it's symbiotes. Right, and it's symbiotes, the things that support us and help us along that dynamic, right. So the third dynamic and it's symbiotes. The fourth dynamic and its symbiotes, and then the opposite of that is suppressors. So what are the things in the environment or in the situation that are suppressors? Right, and something that might be I think we used the word earlier opponent and that could come across a little bit antagonistic. But if you look at it as a symbiote and a suppressor, this aids cold and how deathly cold it is and you can't feel your fingers because they're numb you know that whole thing right. And so when you look at it as symbiotes versus suppressors, I think it like you start to see it from a more well-rounded place In the ethics book, where it talks about the middle class being PTS, right, PTS and the middle class, and it talks about how the government right and we can see this happening right now in the real world the government is a suppressor to a middle class family, right, it's a suppressor.
Speaker 3:And the way they tax and the way they set things up and the way you know. You got to constantly be out here on your grind or whatever, whatever, and I know, especially in America, like not even being able to have one good full-time job and you got to have a side hustle plus a side gig, plus OnlyFans, plus whatever. You got to have all this other stuff to even survive. It's crazy, right and so, and so when we look at it from a perspective of symbiotes versus suppressors, I think it becomes a more well-rounded viewpoint.
Speaker 3:And to what you were just saying, arthur, it's like the understanding the rules of the game. There really is no way for you to lose your game. I'm being very clear on what I'm saying. There's really no way for you to lose your game when you know the rules of the game that you're mocking up. See, most people play this game called life or called love or called money or whatever. Most people play the game thinking that they just making up as they go along. I don't do that. I make up all my rules in the beginning, Okay, and then I play the game. And so, once I make up all my rules for my game, and then I play my game. I'm a win. Win because I know the rules. I know exactly how this plays out. I said to you before, Arthur. I said the higher your standards, the better your life, and when you understand the rules of your game, you're going to win every single time period.
Speaker 1:Well put.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1:Arthur, do you have anything else you want to add to that?
Speaker 2:I don't know, I don't think I can add more to that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and to the point of what we do here as auditors and here as those that are going up the bridge and stuff like that, and here as those that are going up the bridge and stuff like that. It's like when we study, when we get the tech, when we do what we're doing right now, having these, I think, well thought out conversations and really looking at this thing holistically, to me it makes Scientology more real for me. Right, it makes the tech more real for me, because I see now how this actually works in my life. It's not this stuff on a piece of paper or on a computer screen or whatever. It's actually my life being played out in such a way that I can understand it better and to me that makes it organic. It doesn't make it clinical or cold or whatever. It makes it organic. It makes it like this is life plan out here, and no differently than I would want to study biology in school, which they make us study in high school or whatever.
Speaker 3:You study biology, you want to understand the basics of how your anatomy functions and works breathing, respiratory system and circulatory system and stuff like that. I'm not a doctor. Why do I need to know that? Well, it kind of helps. You know what I'm saying when you get a cold and you get the suppressor called the rhinovirus and the suppressor gives you a cold. Well, now I know how to handle that suppressor If your person gets pneumonia or you know people are getting COVID or whatever. You know what to do because you understand the respiratory system. Who would have thought that I wouldn't know? I wouldn't even use that after I studied it in eighth grade. Who would have thought I need to use that information?
Speaker 1:But you do. That's an interesting. It's an interesting point, I mean, when you, when you take up something like the COVID thing and you can agree to become aberrated and this may be an unpopular viewpoint for people who agree with vaccinations and stuff like that, that particular one, the MNRA and the spike protein and all that stuff you can agree to become aberrated and you can go into agreement with everything you're being told. But, like we said earlier, you have to agree to become aberrated. And when you go, hey, something's fishy here and you start looking into it and you start getting other data and you look at all of these out points and you don't get the vaccinations, you don't let your job force you to get a vaccination that you don't know anything about and hasn't been well tested.
Speaker 1:You're disagreeing with playing that game. Think about that for a second. So you're not agreeing to become aberrated by a vaccination that has been untested. And I think it's pretty much public knowledge now that it would be a really bad idea to get that vaccination for something that very likely was not what they were saying that it was. So you're playing a different game by not doing that. Think about that. You don't agree to become aberrated, so you're playing another game. I think that it really paints a strong picture of the whole thing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I've talked about this before during COVID, you know, 20, 20, 19, 20, 20. I went on. I went to 20 different cities in 2020. I did 34 flights. During the height of COVID, I was down in Florida in karaoke bars singing karaoke, sharing the mic. We had to wipe it off with like a little wet wipe. You know that's all we did. We just wiped it off with a little wet wipe and then you headed to the next person. Okay, and we would do. I disagreed to play that game of get locked in, shut in in and cooking in my living room. I'm not doing that. I say I'm going to go somewhere, so I would get on play. I was like it was like 50 people in the whole airport and I would get on a plane and I would have a whole road to myself and I would just sleep, go to my next destination because nobody was on the plane, because they they wanted to become, or they became, aberrated to that game, to play that game and I wouldn't do it.
Speaker 1:I agree Right, and so that's a prime example of what game you're playing in life, on the more really the fourth dynamic, but third dynamic also. So to the degree that you look at the ramifications of that game or you decide you're going to play a different game, whether government mandates tell you you have to do this or the media tells you you have to do this, that type of a thing you go play another game and you say no, I'm going to disagree with that and I'm going to play this game. This game is more pro-survival, simple as that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I've got a question. Go ahead please.
Speaker 3:Go ahead, quinton. No, no, go ahead, I've talked enough.
Speaker 2:Go ahead. I was just going to ask at what level, say, if we use the bridge. At what level on the bridge does?
Speaker 1:this really sort of kick in for someone? Well, at what level on the bridge does this really sort of kick in for someone? Well, that's a good question. That's a good question.
Speaker 2:Come on, John, you should know the answer.
Speaker 1:Well, as far as playing the games you want to play versus playing the games you don't want to play, versus playing the games you don't want to play, that's you know.
Speaker 1:That's when you get enough charge off of the case.
Speaker 1:And now you don't have all of this counter-postulation going on for everything that you do.
Speaker 1:I'd say, somewhere in the neighborhood of around OT3, that you start to be able to play the game the way you want to play it, and creating games that you want to play instead of creating games that you don't want to play it and play, and and creating games that you want to play instead of creating games that you don't want to play. And I think that's that's the key is getting getting being able to postulate a game that you want to play, as opposed to postulating games you don't want to play, below, below that level. So it starts to take effect, take hold I hate to use the word, but you're gonna manifest the games that you want to play as opposed to the games that you don't want to play. And that's the important thing is and the more charge you get off on the OT levels, the better game you can play, better games you can create and you know what game to play, what game not to play, that type of thing. So that's why it's important to get up the bridge.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I like how you made the distinction between games that you're playing, you know, self-determined, from a self-determined viewpoint, versus unwittingly playing certain games. Right, because when I first read I think it was A New Slant on Life. When I first read A New Slant on Life, scientology, a New Slant on Life, like I got it, like I got that whole viewpoint, like immediately the awareness of that just kind of boom, like it really made sense to me. I would say, for me it wasn't. It was when I started doing my grades and I started going up up in my grades that I really started to understand, like, the games that I want to play versus the games I don't want to play anymore, right, um, or I was playing unwittingly, so to speak, um, it was, it was going up the grades for me um, that that I saw life as a game, right, and I saw the games that I was creating and mocking up versus versus somebody doing something to me, right.
Speaker 3:Which is why I don't feel like a victim. Although there's a lot that's happened to me in my life, I don't feel like a victim and I don't worry. I don't worry because I know I'm not a victim of the games that I want to play, because if I don't want to play it, I'm not playing it. You know what I'm saying. So I'm not. I'm not a victim and I don't worry because these are games that I get to decide how I want to move in and through them, and with the knowingness that, how I'm going to, how I'm going to to move through them, which just goes back to those rules and those policies and stuff. And so to me, that it was. It was reading a new sense on life, gave me the awareness of games and really understanding it for myself. It was as I was going through, like through my grades, probably like grade two, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's where things really start start changing you know over it's a withhold, so you get the withholds off.
Speaker 1:You can start playing in areas that you wouldn't be able to play otherwise, because you get the withholds off and that that increases your reach, you know same thing same thing, same thing with l11 and and doing this, you know you're, you're handling these, these counter terminals on l11, these valences that you come across and you're getting the overts off. And you know we had, we did the podcast on valences and a valence is a solution to a problem. If you can't beat them, join them. And now you're in that valence is a solution to a problem If you can't beat them, join them.
Speaker 2:And now you're in that valence, which would be no game, yeah.
Speaker 1:So well, that makes you play games that that valence would play, and you decide to play the games that way. Instead of playing the games you should be playing In the way that they should be played.
Speaker 2:It's so easy to fall into into another game, isn't it? As opposed to creating your own? And that's that's what's really cool about this is creating your own game, right like that? That's? That's pretty much saying taking control of your own life, right, that's. That's all that's saying.
Speaker 2:Yeah as opposed yeah, as opposed to jumping from board game to board game to board game with games that are already happening, like you know, like I like the Monopoly example, because you can have, you know, star Wars Monopoly, there's Star Trek Monopoly, but imagine an Arthur Monopoly set, a John Monopoly set, a Quentin Monopoly set.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean. Right, look, you know, I like that.
Speaker 2:You know, I like that. I got my own.
Speaker 3:Monopoly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, lots of karaoke. Every corner Karaoke bars.
Speaker 3:This is heaven. But if you think about it, isn't that what heaven quote unquote is like? Isn't that what it's like? It's like I mocked this thing up. I mocked this thing up and it's exactly the way I want it. It's exactly what I want. It's the people that I want to be there, it's the experiences that I want to have, it's the mock-up that I want to have. And a good movie if you guys haven't seen it is what Dreams May Come. What Dreams May Come with Robin Williams. Yeah, it's a great movie. It was such a great movie and the whole thing. Heaven, hell, all this stuff. It was all a mock-up. It was all just like what do you make?
Speaker 3:of it right, the picture you paint in your own mind. And so I think that as we start to realize this, life becomes so much more enjoy. You start to enjoy life so much more joyful. That's what life becomes more joyful, because I'm playing the game that I want to play every time, and if I don't want to play it, I know how to uh kind of create it. I know how to do something different and I'm doing it with a level of ease, so I don't have to worry. Is there risks involved? Sure, but that, but that's what makes it a game. Like, I'm okay with the risks, because it's what makes it a game. And you can't yeah, you can't frighten me.
Speaker 1:Yep, it is what the game is, what we make it. Think about that.
Speaker 2:It is what we make it, so we make the game, or we can make a new game and one thing I have noticed, um, especially around scientology, is a lot of scientologists that work their way up the bridge end up doing something pretty big with their lives. A lot of them have made massive impacts in so many different fields, um, you know, even to say as far as, like, remote viewing programs, um, real secret stuff that involves highly psychic potential, um, as an example. But then films, um, you know, world's entertainment, people in law, whatever they choose, like you know, and a lot of them have stuck to auditing and made that their goal. Like, a lot of them have made really big impacts in whatever they've been interested in and the funny thing is I'll repeat that again, whatever they're interested in, not just Scientology.
Speaker 1:Right. I think that's a very important point to make.
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, it's interesting, I'm going to say this real quick. So I mentioned about grade two and getting the relief release and getting all those offers and withholds off and stuff like that. But grade three, grade three, which is the freedom release, it says the ability gain is freedom from the upsets of the past and ability to face the future. That's, that's the ability gain right on the grade chart. But catch this if you look at the, if you look at the characteristics, if you look at the characteristics in the middle there, the awareness characteristics, it says that at that level grade three or so, going into grade four, I'm sorry, grade four it says you move up into prediction, prediction. And so now what are you worried?
Speaker 2:about.
Speaker 3:You can predict the outcome, you can predict the future. Now again, there's still risk involved, there's still things that might be different. You don't know everything, but there's a level of awareness where you're not afraid to face the future and you can predict with some level of accuracy. Okay, you can predict how things are going to unfold because you've rehabilitated that awareness characteristic as a being right and so things get to open up for you in such a way where you have this freedom to be and freedom to exist because you're not afraid of the future and you're not being in the effect of the past. It's such a beautiful place to be, geez, yeah really, it's well that brings us.
Speaker 2:That's really good guys yeah, that that.
Speaker 1:That ties it up in a nice little bow for our listeners. We hope you've enjoyed this podcast and you can get these gains through AOGP. Do it remotely. Get your auditing from wherever you're at using a Theta meter. If you're listening to this podcast and you're not familiar with that, we do auditing over Zoom with a Theta meter, and that is a digital meter that you plug into your computer and we control it from our end and we can get you to where you're playing the games that you want to play. All you have to do is get in touch with us and we'll get into a chat with you on Zoom and give you all the details and get you moving quickly up the bridge to where you can start playing the games you want to play the way you want to play them, through auditing and training. So for Quentin Stroud and Arthur Mudakis, thanks for listening, namaste, and we love you. Bye-bye.
Speaker 2:Peace, bye-bye, peace, bye-bye, thank you, thank you.