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SE11EP15 - Independent Scientology: "Charity Begins at Home" - Contagion of Aberration
Ever wonder why certain family patterns keep repeating through generations? This revealing exploration of "the contagion of aberration" uncovers the hidden mechanisms behind how negative patterns spread from person to person, particularly within families.
We dive deep into L. Ron Hubbard's insights on how stressed individuals unconsciously dramatize engrams (stored painful memories), potentially transferring these patterns to others - especially children. "Charity begins at home" takes on new meaning when we realize our behaviors become the blueprint our children follow.
We discover how agreement functions as the catalyst for this contagion. When we normalize certain behaviors as opinion leaders in our children's lives, they naturally follow suit. The conversation examines how this process accelerates dramatically through social media and technology, with impressionable minds absorbing questionable values from influencers and bringing them home, creating a domino effect of declining standards.
Beyond mere behavior, the hosts examine how this phenomenon affects what they call the "four universes" - spirit, mind, body, and physical universe. Since each universe intimately connects with the others, addressing mental patterns through Independent Scientology practices can heal spiritual and physical conditions simultaneously.
Particularly poignant is our discussion on how modern communication patterns, especially smartphone usage, disrupt natural exchange and connection. When families no longer eat together or make eye contact during conversations, something fundamental in human connection is lost. Similarly, when children's attempts at exchange are dismissed, their natural desire to contribute becomes suppressed.
Want to break these cycles and create healthier patterns for yourself and those around you? Listen now to discover practical insights on increasing awareness, setting boundaries against disrespect, and consciously choosing what behaviors to allow in your presence. By taking responsibility for our own patterns, we protect ourselves and create a better environment for everyone in our sphere of influence.
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Hi, welcome to another Scientology Outside of the Church podcast. This is season 11, episode 15, and this one is going to be about the contagion of aberration, both in the home and in society. I'm here with Quentin Stroud. Quentin, how are you doing?
Speaker 2:Hey, I'm doing fantastic.
Speaker 1:Good, me too. We're going to dive right into this. What is a contagion of aberration from an independent Scientology standpoint?
Speaker 2:aberration from an independent Scientology standpoint. So definitely understanding that when there is aberration about right, in people, in the people that are around you, in situations around you, that aberration can shift over or can be infected is how LRH calls it. It can infect someone else, and so when we talk about, charity begins at home. It really is a beautiful way of saying don't fuck up your kids. How many, how many times have we perhaps allowed some of that contagion to rub off or to affect, you know, those around us, or be affected by, be affected by that kind of contagion, by that kind of aberration? And so we have to be very careful of that and why. This is the kind of space, as independent Scientologists, we want to foster, a space that kind of breaks that cycle.
Speaker 1:Well, and it's also important to note that there are lots of defining factors on how this happens, both in society and well, what the original podcast title was was you know, charity begins at home and what you teach your kids, what you do with your kids, is what they learn from as an example, and this carries over to friends. It carries over to friends, it carries over to relationships, and the big A word agreement is what causes this, because if you make something okay, then people will follow suit, especially if you're an opinion leader. So that's important is you need to lead by example.
Speaker 2:Right. And who are our first opinion leaders? But our parents, right. Who are our first opinion leaders? But the people who we look up to or we look to around us, and even as we get older, then it becomes our friends, right, our friends become the opinion leaders because we care about what they think. Of course, you know, and so all of these things matter.
Speaker 2:Lrh says here in Dianetics, contagion of Apparition. He says the mechanisms are simple People under stress, if aberrated, dramatize engrams. Such dramatization may involve the injury of another person and render him more or less unconscious. The unconscious person then receives as an engram the dramatization, right. And so, quite simply, it says here that the parent how is it the parent that can infect their child with N-grams? Aberrated parents are certain to affect their child with N-grams.
Speaker 2:And so we have to be mindful of the things that, as we're going through life, are you being yourself or are you dramatizing somebody else's dramatization, somebody else's ingratitude, somebody else's stuff, right? How many times have you heard somebody say well, you look just like your mama, you sound just like your mama, you sound just like your daddy? Right, and it's something that we could continue to dramatize over and over and over again, not even aware of it, not even aware of it below our conscious level of awareness, and this then becomes what we would consider our personality. That's just the way. It is just the way I am. You know that kind of thing.
Speaker 1:Right, right, and that follows the LRH datum. Of that, a person takes on the weaker valence, especially in a family unit, because it gets the most attention. So they're going to take on those things that they see are successful in getting attention, which is a really slippery slope, and that is, you know, that's part of that, leading by example type of a thing, and that's why it's important to you know, I mean, you know in a perfect sense, get auditing and fix these things that are affecting you, that then have a domino effect on your children, your grandchildren, your great-grandchildren, that type of a thing, because this stuff echoes down through the generations.
Speaker 2:And anybody around you like I mean a society. You can be dramatizing the aberration of a society, of a culture, of a people, of a community. Right, look at New York. If you go to New York City, you know, if you go to certain parts of the world, you can see people dramatizing just even in the way they speak, even the way they talk to you. You can see them dramatizing something. It was like, well, what did I do to you? You know, yeah, and it's like nothing, I'm not even mad, but the way you're coming at me, it sounds like it, you know yeah, you have these, these mannerisms of.
Speaker 1:You know the different bor, different boroughs in New York and the way that they behave, whether you're in the Bronx or you're in Queens or you're in New Jersey, they have these particular accents and behaviors and mannerisms. You know, are you talking to me? Are you talking to me? You know that kind of attitude type of a thing, because that's what you have to have to survive in that particular area and that is a prime example of, I mean, you know the, the aggressiveness in order to survive, because if you don't respond that way, you're a sucker and you're weaker. So that's a prime example of contagion evaboration. And you see in social media, these influencers, and that's a huge, huge thing, because the issue is, when you have somebody that is an influencer in modern day technology and society, they're influencing people for things they shouldn't be doing.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Honestly, you know, and the priorities get mixed up and especially when you're young and you're impressionable, you're going to go into agreement with this, and the kids see this on social media and then they come home and then now they're passing it on as a domino effect to their parents that this is the thing, whether it's the latest lingo, the expressions of that generation, or it's what's acceptable. The expressions of that generation or it's what's acceptable. You know, here in South Africa the parents come into a store and they buy edible marijuana gummies with their kids.
Speaker 2:With the kids, yeah, right.
Speaker 1:Right. What kind of parent is that?
Speaker 2:Or smoking and drinking with the kids.
Speaker 1:Right and that's a huge issue is you need to lead by example, because if you don't, all you're doing is passing on this contagion of aberration. And that also comes down to I mean, even hundreds of years later, people are still behaving like their forefathers, many generations down, and people don't understand where that comes from, but it's there, it's part of the fabric of the way that their parents, their grandparents, behaved the way that they do their ethics level, how they approach things with people, how they communicate and all of this.
Speaker 1:And we're seeing this much more so because of the speed of technology. You can see anything across the planet in the blink of an eye if you have a decent internet connection or a cell connection, and that's how these things get started. What was it? The washing machine detergent where kids were drinking. Washing machine.
Speaker 2:Tide pods.
Speaker 1:The Tide pods, the washing machine detergent where kids were drinking washing pots, the tide pods, tide pods and and killing themselves because it was a trending thing. If that's not contagion evaporation, I don't know what it is. Yeah, because somebody else did it.
Speaker 2:I saw it on tiktok yeah, it was the same yeah, and then that's the only word for it right, right.
Speaker 1:And then you know that gets into media and and all of that and and goes back to our podcast on. You know the only way to control a person is a lie to them, but that's that's also a learned behavior in a contagion evaporation. You know what your kids learned at home and the way that you you're going back to the original title of the podcast. You know charity begins at home is when you have somebody who's in your family. You have to follow through and you have to put in ethics and morals in order for them to be a decent person. And they're only you. The kids and the grandkids are only gonna be as good as you are. And that comes down to your tone scale, comes down to your chart of human evaluation. And this is part of the reason why we see the dwindling spiral in society is because of these leading by bad examples.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think that what I like to, how I like to lay it out, is you're not just looking at, you're not just looking at behaviors, right, we're not just talking about behaviors, because LRH talks about the four universes and he talks about how each universe is its own, but it's also intimately acquainted or intimately connected with the next universe. So the first universe, of course, is the universal spirit, right, you as a spiritual being. The first universe is spirit. The second universe is mind, right, the third universe is the physical body and the fourth universe is the physical universe outside the body, right. And so when you see these behaviors and and we recognize and we just think that, oh, you're just misbehaving, right, you're just misbehaving, but it's not just misbehaving. So, so, so the kids go and and and get the edible gummies from the market, thinking it's just candy and they just want to, you know whatever, with the parents, and we would think that, oh, it's just poor behavior, you're just making a poor choice by that. But what's not considered and this is why I like to go deep, because I'm a Pisces, we like to go deep into things that that that physical universe item, the little gummy Right, can affect the body, affect the mind, and, because they're all intimately connected, these universes affect the spirit, and so you're not just talking about bad behavior.
Speaker 2:When you're talking about, like you know, watching certain things on social media, or parents doing this, or kids acting because they see their friends doing stuff, it's not just a behavioral issue, stuff that it's just, you know, these kids have, you know, behavior disorder or or what's the, what's the one that was so funny to me? Um, confrontational, authoritative, confrontational disorder, something like that. They have a problem with authority or something, and it's like. It's like it's not just a behavioral matter here that we're talking about. We're talking about these four universes that are intimately connected and one affects the other, affects the other, affects the other. And that's why, as independent Scientologists, having this conversation, I think, with you, as you're listening to this, is so important.
Speaker 2:What is the spiritual implications of the behaviors, implications of the behaviors that we might be seeing playing out? So all you see is the physical manifestation, but what's going on in the mind? What's going on in the spirit? And, as independent Scientologists, to me that needs to be the first question. Not why is Johnny acting so mean? The first question needs to be what's going on in the spirit, what's going on in the mind? Oh, I see why he's acting this way. I see why the physical behaviors are showing up this way, because there's some other stuff happening here.
Speaker 1:Right, and one of the things that you see with the current generation the teens to early 20s even older than that is this sense of entitlement that they're entitled to much, much more than they should be, because they haven't experienced what it is to get a product from the viewpoint in independent Scientology, that a person is rewarded for the good products that they create and that is exchangeable for money and goods and things like that. And that is something that is endemic in our society currently is that you know that people expect to be on the dole or government handouts and things like that, and they're not producing any product, then they just expect to be taken care of, and we're one step away from a universal income where people get paid for doing nothing and that way they're controlled. And we need to take a look at that with our kids and teach them when they're young that you get rewarded for good production. You don't get rewarded for no production or bad production or overt products or overt products, because I mean I hate to say this, but kids these days don't get the understanding of exchange, what it is to exchange a product for one or another, and this is part of that contagion of aberration that's been taught in schools, taught in media, you know, is that you know it's okay to hustle somebody as long as it makes money, but somebody else is out money because you scammed them.
Speaker 1:But that's okay because you were the one that ended up with the money, so that's all right and that's why you see all of this. Well, I mean, you know the scams that are going on all the time, whether it's crypto or whether it's on Facebook or this or that. That's a contagion of aberration. Because it's been made, okay as long as it's a hustle and you're making money, who cares how you made that money?
Speaker 2:Well, I think also too, and even going back further than that, I remember my son's little sisters. They're twins. I remember my son's little sisters they're twins and one day we went to get them dressed for church or school or something like that. We got that, we went to go get them dressed and they, after we got them dressed Emanuela she goes out and she gets a flower and it was like right by the front door.
Speaker 2:So she goes to the side and grabs the flower off the bush and she comes back in and she hands me this flower and I said, oh my gosh, thank you so much, like I, this is exactly what I needed. And I put it in my ear, you know, and I said, does it look good? You like it? And she was so elated to give me this flower and what I wanted to communicate in that moment that I accept your exchange. Right, I accept your exchange. I helped you get dressed, helped you tie your shoes and all that stuff, and she was three years old, four years old, whatever she was, and she comes to give me this flower and I accept your exchange. Thank you so much. This is exactly what I needed right now, you know. So I want her to know that. But I think that how many times has that been just kind of brushed off?
Speaker 1:We ain't got time for that.
Speaker 2:Come on, we got to go, we got to go to school, we got to get out of here. You know how many times has it been brushed off when a child might want to try to offer an exchange, because it's natural, it's the natural beingness of a spirit to have fair exchange, because we're inherently good, and yet it becomes almost like brushed aside or almost considered like you wasted my life, you wasted my time by doing stuff like this, and so this is another reason why we talk, when we talk about charity begins at home, when we talk about the contagion of aberration and how it can mess things up for your children and for people around you, and so on and so on. These are little things, but it throws off what's, what's the natural beingness of this person that wants to give this kind of fair exchange?
Speaker 2:right and so then, later on, now the child is grown or you know whatever older, and you can't get nothing out of them. You can't get no fair, you can't. They want to clean their room, you know whatever right. Well, how many times has their exchange been knocked off? You know throughout that experience, that they don't feel like I have to do anything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you have to let them contribute. I mean, when I was a kid, I had chores that I had to do and that was my contribution to the household. You did too, I'm sure.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, absolutely. We had to do chores. And I told my son I said ain't nothing free? I said my son had to pay for his room. You want the room, do you want it? You got to pay for it. And so he had to contribute financially as well. And I wanted him to understand that, as you're maturing, as you're growing up, it's going to be extremely important for you to understand how to exchange money. It's going to be extremely important for you to understand how to exchange money. I didn't play with money Before he got his allowance. He had to give me an invoice Sunday before midnight. You had to give me your invoice Sunday before midnight. Did you do your chores? Is your homework done? Whatever the report was for the week, everything needs to be in the invoice. And then at the end of that, when I reviewed it okay, good, you get paid. And he got paid that following Friday, but you had to get it to me by Sunday night.
Speaker 1:Right. I mean there has to be an appreciation for the exchange that is occurring, and that's one of the things that's missing in this society is that you know everybody's on their phone and they're individuated, and they don't know how to communicate because they're on their phone all the time. They haven't even they're afraid to talk to people because the only thing they know is their phone, which is a via for communication.
Speaker 2:It's not actual communication, right, it's just a via Right, right Right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's that's that's a that's that's the big problem is that they don't have a proper communication cycle so they're disconnected from society. And you know, it's really obvious, especially with the younger generation, that they can't even confront having a conversation with an adult. They just clam up because the phone's been the via, so that's. You know, that's another contagion of aberration.
Speaker 2:Ooh, that's. Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, that's a good point. You know we'll say look at, look at me when I'm when we're talking. Look at me when we're talking like tr zero, like the front. You know, look look at me when we're talking. You know, don't, don't be in your phone or don't be. You know I can't. I can't because I just I think better. I've heard people say that I think better when I don't look at you.
Speaker 1:What they gotta do with it, and that is a contagion of aberration in this society, is that I can't look you in the eyes and I have to look down and I have to mutter and I can't talk directly, and this is the dwindling spiral that we're finding ourselves on is because of all of this aberration that's gone out there and all of these. You know, I have this disorder and I have that disorder and they can no longer function because they have an acceptable truth that allows them and gives them a pass, instead of being able to do what it is that they need to do, and blaming it on something else and not taking any responsibility for what it is that they should be taking responsibility for, and it's made okay by the psychologists, psychiatrists, the medical community and all of that down to where you have restless leg syndrome.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've met many people with it yeah, so you know the contagion of aberration, like you said. You know it affects these other universes and in in the scientology axioms lh talks about, you know there there are are the primary above. The ones that you mentioned are your universe, my universe and the agreed upon universe and you have so much agreement on. This is what everybody is seeing, especially in social media. You know it's got millions and millions of views. It must be the truth because it's on YouTube or it's on TikTok or whatever, and all these people are looking at it and you're getting these responses and communication about it. If you read some of the comments comments it doesn't take you very long to look at how aberrated the people that are commenting are and they're validating they're validating bad behavior, and it's okay, it's been made okay and that is the agreed upon universe as well.
Speaker 1:gosh, smartphones have only been around since about 2006, and they're early, early versions. Before that, all you had was what you saw in advertising in media. Now you have this portal of agreement that causes things to slide and domino that much faster because there's so many people seeing the same thing. That's being made okay, right, and that's that's a big problem.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think that when we look at your universe, the other person's universe and the agreed upon universe, when we look at it from that perspective, it's like if, if, if I'm a part of the agreed upon universe, what is my contribution to that universe? What is my contribution to that? What is my contribution to the agreed upon universe? One of the things that I enjoy doing I enjoy sitting down and eating together as a family. That's really important to me and so wherever I am in those spaces yeah, wherever I am in those spaces I want to make that that's my universe and that's my own personal universe and other people can have their own universe too but I try to make that be a contribution to the agreed upon universe at some level, at some way.
Speaker 2:Like, let's sit down and eat as a family, let's make this a real thing and let's agree that this has value, even if it's just because I value it, you know what I mean. Let's agree that it has value and let's sit down and have a meal. I'm not saying every moment, every day, every time, but it feels good to me to be able to do that, and might it feel good to you. Might we come into agreement that this is the case. How many of us have that in 2025? You know what I mean. How many of us have it, that do we sit down and eat dinner together as a family anymore?
Speaker 1:Right, well, you did that when you were here. We all sat down as a unit that's my point Trainees and all that stuff and we sat down and this allows you and your phones you know it's your phones go somewhere else. Don't be looking at your phone more at the table, whether it's at home or out those, those phones, do not come up above that table when we are out eating, because this is when we break bread and we communicate and we look each other in the eye and talk and talk for God's sakes instead of talking to somebody else on the other end of a phone.
Speaker 1:That's what needs to happen and that's how you create charity at home by having time to talk to each other. As long as there's no evaluation, no invalidation, everybody is sharing their viewpoints and opinions. You know how was your day, tell me your tales, you know all that stuff, what happened, and share this stuff. But you, you, you see a breakdown on that when you're using a phone because they're looking to see if they were, they were double blue ticked or not on WhatsApp. Did they see what I said? You know and did they acknowledge and all of that? I mean you know the communication cycle is extremely important, as is, you know, the auditor's code thing that I just mentioned about evaluation and validation. But you've got to be able to grant your kids being this, your friends being this, and it's I mean, let's just face it, it is downright disrespectful when you're sitting at a table with somebody else or somebody else's, and they sit there and grab their phone and look at their phone while you're eating with them.
Speaker 2:I never taught I never. I never acknowledged you, never, talked to you, never. It's just, it's just a weird, it's a weird thing in today's society that that's the case. And I'm and and let me be clear, I'm 43 years old, so I'm not like super old, but but I, I wanted to be clear that it's more to me, it's more about the value of the moment versus the mechanism of it, right?
Speaker 2:And I think, um, as I was talking about the, the four universes that Hillary talks about, if you look at it from a physical universe matter, energy, space and time moment and then the bodies being there in that matter, energy, space and time moment, having dinner, enjoying each other's company, on whatever level what does that do for the second universe, which is the mind, and what does that do for the first universe, which is the spirit? Right? So first universe is spirit. Second universe is mind. Third universe is physical body and fourth universe is the physical universe, the matter, energy, space and time. So all of those universes are there, present in that moment, having this experience.
Speaker 2:Think that again, I go deep on it, but I'm saying it from the perspective of when you think about the behaviors, of your own behaviors, when you think about the behaviors of others, the people that are around you, your parents, your friends, your, whatever. When you think about this, what are you really getting from it? Like, how is this really impacting you If it's just, oh, we just chilling, we just having, you't you know, some, some wine, or watching tv or whatever, whatever? Okay, cool. But what is really happening across all your universes, and is this the way you want to uh, be formed up or informed about, uh, who you are becoming and who you are to be? I just think it's important to look at it that way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, it's paramount to have your values towards the people in your life and how you treat them, and that you treat them with respect and you're not looking at your phone or distracted or whatever when they're talking to you. You're engaged with them and you have to grant them beingness and go. Okay, you know this. This is what's important to me and that's something that's been lost in this. This society is because of. A phone replaces a live human being, based off of what you know, the. The second most senior particle in the physical universe below admiration is attention. So if you can get attention from however many people on your phone as opposed to one person sitting in front of you, guess what? You've been counterfeited.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think that that's one of the big problems that we see. It's not real. I can get the attention of millions of people, in some cases with you know these influencers and stuff like that, and you can just see how aberrated they are because of this misspent, misplaced attention. It's not the kind of attention you want, it's just attention. You know there's there's different values of of attention. There's just. I'm just looking at it because everybody else is looking at it. I'm looking at it because what you say is true. I'm looking at it because you know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1:I mean, you know, agreement doesn't have to mean that it's true, which goes back to the podcast on lies is what? What is it that you're? You're, you're taking in from the mass media, the social media, as opposed to what your mom and dad had to say, and you resent your mom and dad because they're telling you what to do or whatever. Well, that's just how it happens. But you also have to have respect for your parents and, dare I say, your elders and everything, and you can learn a lot more from an older person than you can a younger person, and you have to understand that and get it across to your kids and follow through and communicate with them and all of that.
Speaker 1:Otherwise you're going to have a more aberrated generation. You're going to wonder what the hell happened to these grandkids of mine. Where did they get it from? Oh wait, they got it from my kids. Who got it from me, and so on. You know, it just continues forward. So you have to be able to understand the basics of life, and that's what independent scientology and dianetics can give you.
Speaker 2:If you just read some of the basic books like news land on life, fundamentals of thought, that type of thing well, and and this is also and we we did a podcast on this a while back as well but this is also why, in my opinion, um, why studying as an independent scientologist has allowed me to develop a greater sense of morality, and I'll use that word, a greater sense of morality, uh, which in scientology we call it ethics and so on and so on, but it, but I see the, I see the humanity in it, I see the, the care and the love and the and the heart of it. Because even just the conversation we're having right now the whole topic of that we're talking about is charity begins at home. Charity is another word. Another word for that is love, right, and so it's like, if this love isn't displayed at home, if it's not given at home, where would this person go and seek it? Where are they going to seek the love? Where are they going to get the admiration, the attention? Where are they going to get it? They're going somewhere to get it because they didn't get it the right way at home. And I'm saying that not from a judgmental perspective, but more so from a perspective of if we take a look and evaluate the data, evaluate the facts of what it is that we have here?
Speaker 2:You look at it and I see studying as an independent Scientologist as like, oh, wow, I really get the heart of this. This goes back to not just our behaviors, not just, oh, we just sit down having a breaking bread and eat some meatloaf, not just that, no, no, no, there's a mind back of that. You got it. There's a mind back of that. There's a spirit that's being impacted here and of course, you would get that as platitudes and coming up and respect your elders and da-da-da-da. You would get all that kind of stuff growing up.
Speaker 2:But when I really start to dive into the mechanisms of it which is what I gained with studying as an independent Scientologist when you really get the mechanisms of it, I'm like, oh, that is a big decision to say let's sit down and eat together. That is a big decision to go and get auditing so that I don't continue to mess up these other universes, continue to mess up these other universes. That is a big decision to actually sit down and confront my own shit so that I'm not then spreading this shit everywhere around. Everybody that I associate with. It's a big deal.
Speaker 2:And the people that I associate with do I want to associate with people who don't want to be better, who don't want to get their mind right, who don't want to move from a place of spirit the first universe who don't want to move from a place of spirit, who don't want to get their mind right, and their behaviors and their universe displays it. Look at their physical universe, look at what's around them, look at their homes, look at their cars, look at their life. Look at it, you can see it.
Speaker 2:You can see it, you can see it.
Speaker 1:It's always palpable. I mean you can like LRA says you can judge people by their mess, and I mean there are a lot of indicators that can show that. And you know it also starts off with not from a flow one others to you, but a flow two you to others, where the two rules of happy living are basically do it to others that you would want done unto you and be able to experience anything. Don't cause effects others can't easily have. And that comes down to is your yard messy? Do you have three cars that are half apart sitting in the front yard and chickens running around? You know all that stuff.
Speaker 1:You can see this and these are basics that you learn in independent Scientology order versus disorder, the complexity and confronting we've talked about in a bunch of the podcasts and stuff like that. There's all these basics that if you take the time to do that with your children and make sure that they understand it look, don't listen from the lies podcast, all these simple little datums you're creating a better future for this planet and for your family and other families. Instead of a contagion of aberration, you've got a contagion of analytical thinking If you put it there and you take the time to do that with your kids, your friends and all that, and that's incredibly important because values are being chipped away every day on this planet yeah I mean, I see it all the time, you know, in the malls and stuff like that and it.
Speaker 1:It blows me away that people do things now that you and I would have never seen in the 80s and 90s. It's just unconscionable the way people treat each other. They don't thank each other, they don't say please, there's no manners. Manners is incredibly important and it shows respect and that's important that children, adults understand respect and treat each other the way they want to be treated and that's how we prevent a contagion of aberration. In my opinion, in LRH's opinion as well.
Speaker 2:Right. I want to share this because LRH says at the end of this lecture I'm going to give you the exact reference Hold on a second. It's universes, uh, given 7 april 1959. It's a lecture called universes and um, he says at the end of it. He says so his condition of body stems from his condition of mind and his ability to observe the physical universe stems directly from his own concept the first universe ability to perceive and create. So your condition of the body stems from the condition of the mind and his ability to observe the physical universe stems directly from his own concept the first universe ability to perceive and create. So we're interested, basically, then, in this second universe. We can know this most easily, we can take it apart most readily, and by doing so we can graduate upstairs to the point of knowingness on the other three universes. So our immediate focus of address is upon the second universe, the universe of the mind, and we'll look that over and see what makes it that way, the way we approach this in independent Scientology.
Speaker 2:Our most immediate focus is the universe of the mind, because your body stems from the conditions of the mind and your ability to perceive the physical universe is from your ability to perceive and create as a spiritual being. This is how we go at it, and so when we talk about getting in session, when we talk about getting auditing, when we talk about going up the bridge, talk about getting in session. When we talk about getting auditing, when we talk about going up the bridge, all we're talking about is, if you're looking at your physical universe, stuff and be like this ain't how I wanted this, this ain't how I wanted my body to feel and to look. This is not how I wanted my physical universe, my mess, to feel and look and be. If you want to improve those having this kind of things, let's address the second universe, which is the mind, which then impacts and addresses the first universe as the spirit, as the being, and that's what going up the bridge actually is.
Speaker 1:Right and that improves your ability to prevent a contagion of aberration, because as you get better, you will choose better people and that will propagate out amongst other people where you have safe spaces and you can exist and not be in fear of what people are going to say and low-toned evaluations and covert hostility and all of that stuff. But you and it's one thing we haven't mentioned is well, we have in a way is that you have to have respect for yourself in order to have respect for other people. I think that's it's a key point, because if you don't respect yourself, how can you respect anybody, anybody else?
Speaker 1:you're back right yeah yeah, that part yeah I, I got the last part respect yourself right, yeah, you got to respect yourself and and that's very, very important and you have to get that across to, I mean, you know, if, if you let people disrespect you, what have you got?
Speaker 2:Listen, listen, I'm telling you that, that that for me, and maybe because I'm a Leo rising or whatever, but that for me, like I need, I need that respect and loyalty are two very, very important things to me. Especially for me is respect and loyalty are very important, and and so don't do that, Don't, don't disrespect me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, don't, don't, don't, don't. Accept the bad behaviors of other people and make it okay.
Speaker 2:No, uh-uh, no, not in my presence.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a huge thing when it comes to contagion of aberration, because when you do that, things get a lot worse, a lot faster. Oh, he accepted that. Oh, okay, I'll treat him that way from now on because he'll let me get away with it. You know, or she, whatever and that is a huge part of contagion evaboration is what you make okay and what you will not stand for. So I hope this has been helpful to our listeners and it's a little bit of a different subject matter than we normally talk about. But it needs to be said and it's food for thought, both as a parent and as a friend and as a significant other, that this contagion of aberration does not have to be continued and you can fix it through training and auditing an independent Scientologist.
Speaker 2:Well, I was going to end off by saying that very point that studying and being on course and getting the tech in it's a protection. It really is a protection, increasing and expanding your knowingness, you know with, by studying, by getting in session and improving in your responsibility and increasing your responsibility on how you handle things and what you're able to handle in life. It's a protection, man, and, if nothing else, protect yourself, protect yourself and with this kind of tech you have, I would call it an ultimate protection from the stuff that really can mess you up, whatever particular trouble sources, to all this other stuff like stuff that can really mess you up. If you know what you're doing and you know how to apply it and you do apply it, you are protected.
Speaker 1:Right Period. If you understand it, you can't be the adverse effect of it. There you go. There you go so for all of our listeners. We hope you've enjoyed the podcast and we will see you next week. For quentin and myself, namaste, and we love you. Bye-bye, peace, thank you. Thank you, thanks for watching.