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SE11EP17 - Independent Scientology - Not Clear Yet!?
The journey to Clear is often impeded not by personal limitations, but by systemic barriers that many don't recognize until they've spent years—even decades—spinning their wheels. In this candid conversation, we tackle the elephant in the room: why so many Scientologists remain stuck on their path despite sincere efforts and intentions.
Financial obstacles represent perhaps the most significant hurdle in corporate Scientology today. What once cost $3,500 for an OT3 package in 1973 now demands around $60,000—a staggering inflation that contradicts L. Ron Hubbard's original guideline that Bridge costs should comprise roughly 10% of one's net income. This creates a frustrating paradox: people need auditing to improve their lives and increase their income, yet can't afford the auditing that would facilitate this improvement.
Beyond finances, arbitrary requirements imposed by corporate structures often force practitioners to unnecessarily repeat steps they've already completed. Past life Clears, for instance, may be told to redo their entire lower Bridge at tremendous expense. In the independent field, these barriers disappear through proper assessment and individualized programming.
The concept of necessity level emerges as the crucial catalyst for spiritual progress. When you recognize the problems in your life as sufficiently "menaceful" (to use Hubbard's term), you naturally extrovert from them, creating the motivation needed for meaningful change. This pairs powerfully with certainty—not hoping you'll go Clear someday, but knowing with absolute conviction that you will achieve this state.
Setting clear anchor points—specific visions of your future self that guide your actions—provides the framework for successful advancement. Without these defined goals, spiritual progress resembles going to the gym without a fitness plan: aimless and ultimately ineffective.
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All right, welcome to another Scientology Outside of the Church podcast. This is season 11, episode 17. After a bit of a hiatus, we are back. I am here with Quentin Stroud. Quentin, how are you this afternoon?
Speaker 2:I'm doing fantastic.
Speaker 1:Great, me too. It's morning here, we're going to get started, started and this is gonna be titled. This is a bit of a different one.
Speaker 2:it's gonna be titled still not clear yet every time we say it, we crack up laughing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah so what is that what? What is that? What does that imply?
Speaker 2:you've been assigned times Scientologist for 55,000 years. Still not clear yet.
Speaker 1:What's going on there? You're a poser. Why is it taking so long? Study-wise Ballarat says a slow student equals something awfully wrong in keeping Scientology working number one. But on the auditing side that's a bit of a different thing, so we're going to approach it from that viewpoint. Still not clear yet. So how do we want to take this as a perspective from a larger arc and then go into a micro?
Speaker 2:Sure. Well, I think that obviously anybody who is jumping feet first into Scientology study you're on course, you're inside the college doing your coursework, you're getting all the gains that comes from the knowledge that comes along with being an independent Scientologist and having the technology available to you. Anybody who is in Scientology obviously knows that they have goals of dealing with life. Number one, I think, first and foremost because it's an applied religious philosophy. So obviously you have the goals of dealing with life, but you also have the goal of going the things that are causing you to create these problems and troubles in your life, self-sabotaging things. So anybody who is in independent Scientology is wanting to achieve certain goals. And when we talk about still not clear yet, we're kind of saying it like a little bit, like poking the bear, so to speak. But also, what is that really about? And when you look at, you know, the church. When you look at the corporate Scientology there could be. I'm just saying there could be some reasons why you know.
Speaker 2:Very, very valid reasons that don't have anything to do with you yeah, reasons why you're not clear yet, why you're not hitting your goals, why you're not doing the things that you sought out to do. So I think that's how we start yeah, I.
Speaker 1:I think that that would be a good place to start for people who are are new to the podcast and haven't. You know, maybe they're looking for other options because you're looking at a very steep gradient. To get clear in the church, at the current cost schedule that the church has, I mean, it's significant, very significant to do, significant, very significant to do and that's it's one of those things. People, when they everybody does scientology for a reason, they've got something they want to handle and that is something that has to be addressed first before you can speed up the bridge, so to speak, and you have to be able to have you. Maybe you don't have enough ability or you.
Speaker 1:I think probably the biggest thing, and you probably would agree, would be I need to make more money. How many podcasts have we done on? I need to make more money, because that's that's why they're doing scientology is they're having. This isn't high enough. So you know we need to work on the be, do have, but when you're looking at gosh, some ridiculous amount of money inside the corporate church of scientology. That's one of the reasons why you may still not be clear yet is people are on the bridge for decades because of the cost. They don't. They don't get very far because there isn't anything to address. They don't get very far because there isn't anything to address the problem of how do I make enough money to pay for my lower bridge, my grades, uh, newer dynamics and that type of a thing that's. That is something that needs to be considered and looked at, because back in the seventies uh, in 19, early 1973, lrh said that the cost of the bridge shouldn't be any more than about 10% of your net income. That was what it was supposed to be.
Speaker 2:Wow.
Speaker 1:Yeah, my father. When he paid for his OT3 package, which included the solo 1 and 2 course, ot1, 2, and 3 three, that was 3500 us dollars in 1973. Wow yeah, now there's a 500 books now you're looking at about 60 grand.
Speaker 1:Okay, so that's an example. Um, so that that's. That's something that has to be considered. Is you need to get a leg up through auditing in order to afford auditing, and that's a legitimate concern. That's something that people run into is how do I go clear? But it's a chicken or the egg. I need the money to go up the bridge, I need the money to to get audited, but I I I have a a the 15 an hour, 20 an hour job. How do I afford this? Well, what are you going to do? Well, it's a lot. Most people. What would they? Default to credit, and that's you know. I guess that's okay, but mean you're looking at an awful lot of credit in order just to get clear. So that's something in independent Scientology we can help you with at a much more affordable rate than the church can.
Speaker 2:And also without all the barriers and the physical universe barriers, the stops. You know, one thing that really, really appealed to me and helped me go clear and, mind you, I've been in Scientology for 22 years, 23 years now. I've been in Scientology for 23 years and just went clear, well, just attested to clear what, uh, two years ago, a year and a half, two years ago, so yeah, so it's like like, it's like for that period of time, what was happening, what was stopping me, what was getting in the way. And I will say I think that the, the money thought, not not so much the money availability, because I was able to pull in money, but the thought of how much money I had to put towards my bridge activity. That was a daunting thing for me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it just occurred to me that it's also a very valid fact that what you see in the corporate church now is like in my case, I was a past life clear a past life clear, and I dropped the body in the mediterranean in 1967, picked up this body in in east africa and ethiopia in 68. Change of 68. When I originated this to the corporate church back in 2001, they said well, you have to do the entire lower bridge, you're gonna have to do all your grades and everything, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, fifty000, and we'll take care of it. See, and that's an arbitrary and that's another reason that stops people from going clear.
Speaker 1:Now, what we do in the independent field is, if somebody says, well, I have this information and I'm a past life clear, or I went clear in the church and they said you shall not pass and you have to do all of these things, you should talk to us and you should get a metered interview with us with a theta meter remotely, and then we can get the information from you in a DFP Director of Processing Interview and then we can get you scheduled out to do a clear certainty rundown and find out if in fact, you did go clear.
Speaker 1:And if you did and all of that checks out, guess what? You don't have to do your expanded grades, you only have to do the quad grades, which is at the end of each grade, in order to continue on. Instead of this arbitrary Whatever the case may be I mean, there are lots of different scenarios, but this is something that I think probably is the most prevalent that I've seen in all the time that AOGP has been in existence is there is all these arbitraries that come up from the corporate church in this particular aspect of what we're talking about in the program, where they're saying you can't pass, you have to do this, this, this and this, or you're not, or you this, and they put up all these stops or you're not or you this, and they put up all these stops and to their benefit, and I think that that's kind of where I was coming in with this right, like, who benefits?
Speaker 2:Who benefits from keeping you lower on the bridge, who benefits from keeping you reaching and trying, who benefits from not getting you to where you need to be in your life this is your existence and who's benefiting from keeping you not reaching those goals? And so I think that it's really, really important to know that there is a way to start to achieve those goals, and the goals that you set out when you first pick up your first book, or the goals that you set out when you first pick up your first book, or the goals that you set out when you first went into, you know, your first course room, or whatever the goals you set up when you first found us online with aogp uh, like the, the goals that you set out for your life. There is a way to help you realize that and for anyone or anything that's trying to stop you from that, that needs to be really looked at as an enemy. Right like you're, you're trying to hurt me at this point, and so I'm gonna attack back.
Speaker 2:One thing I love about lrh. He was like you know, uh, he said in his lecture I think it's called, uh, speed of auditing or auditing speed. It's called called auditing speed. But he said, as a matter of fact, where is it? Oh, I can tell you this Life is never dull when you have the reactive mind as a target.
Speaker 2:So, as a consequence, when you make up your mind as to what level or action or the PC's regard in a certain direction should be, don't feel so whip-curred, see, because it's something else. So, when you make up a mind, it's not invalidation to you. He says it's not invalidation to you when you make up your mind to go in a certain direction, certain speed, certain movement, certain action or something, and stuff is starting to get in the way. Don't look at it as I can't do this, oh, this is so much I can't take that. That's too much money, that's too much. Don't look at it that way. It's not an invalidation to you. Right, it really is almost like. This is exactly why I need to start to move, because no test should daunt you.
Speaker 1:Right, well, and I was thinking of an analogy and it's a little bit backhanded from what we're talking about at the moment. But you see, these people who live their life and they just go well, I'll just win the lottery. Do you get where I'm headed with this? I'll just win the lottery, I'll be clear someday. Okay, so that's, that's apostolate. But apostolate is only as good as you put some doingness in that direction. You have to put it there and that that that on the micro level, not the macro level. The macro level is I want to go clear by the end of 2025. Okay, good Now. So how are you going to do that? What steps do you have to take in order to do that? And you have to take steps. That's my point is, you can't just say, well, I'm just going to win the lottery, well, I'm just going to go clear.
Speaker 1:I've met people who said, well, I want to be clear someday. Why are you saying I want to be clear someday? Clear is a good start, it's a good start. It's a good start. Do you realize that Clear is a good start? And I'm not trying to invalidate the state of clear, but he says that Ellery says that people have no idea of the gains that can be had on the OT levels, at the lower levels.
Speaker 1:So people are looking at clear and they're like well, someday I want to be clear, wait a minute, you need to adjust your thinking. You need to figure out how you can be clear in the next six months to a year. People don't realize that if you apply yourself, you can go clear in six months. You can't. It's not that hard. Or you can go clear in two years. You want to go clear in two years. Start getting auditing with AOGP three days a week for an hour a session, okay. And so you're looking at a month is an intensive, okay.
Speaker 1:I've had people do that. A month is an intensive and it took them two years to go clear. You can do it that way too. It just depends on the finances. Now that's a much shallower gradient. But the thing is is you have to put something there. You have to start somewhere, because if you don't do anything about it and you just say I'm going to win the lottery, I'm going to go clear, okay. And so what's changing in your environment? How are things getting better? How are things improving? Like you got that new job, you have all of these stops that are out of the way You're getting your withholds off so that you pull in flows. We've worked with people recently where they had withholds and they needed to get them cleaned up and all of a sudden they started getting flows in. Literally within 12 hours the phone started ringing.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:And let me tell you.
Speaker 2:Let me tell you what's interesting is, when I was, when I on credit, I paid for my entire bridge. I paid for my entire bridge on credit and within I would say probably about four months, I was able to get all the money back in that I paid for my entire bridge on. And so I know that just by putting that out there as a flow, just by saying that this is my intention and this is my commitment to that intention, right, and this is how I'm going to do it, that's what actually changed my necessity level. It changed the way I moved, it changed the way I breathe, it changed the way I ate, like literally all these things changed for me and immediately flows are coming in and get this and people who I would have never thought, people who I would have never thought, work with me.
Speaker 2:A woman at a banana, like a you know the current market, you know a farmer's market, the farmer's market thing became a client of mine. I would have never, I would have never found a farmer's market lady client, Right, but she wanted. She wanted to start right. She would start working and start and start flowing money, flowing money like that. Who would have thought that the lady at the farmer's market was rich. I didn't know.
Speaker 1:Right and I think it's important to mention that necessity level, as you mentioned a moment ago. Let's touch on that for a minute. Necessity level is key because if you're staying in your comfort zone, I'll go clear someday. If you're not staying in your comfort zone and you're doing something that scares you and you're like, oh God, I need to get my necessity level up. I have to try harder. I've committed myself to this and I need to pay this bill that I put on credit to get up the bridge. Okay, well, guess what? Now your necessity level is higher the 95-year-old woman whose grandson is under the car and the chalk's squirt out the other side and the car is falling and she grabs the ass end of the car and holds the car up so her grandkid can get out without being crushed.
Speaker 2:These things happen.
Speaker 1:Right, because of necessity level. I hope people understand that. Then analogy but the thing is, you got to get your necessity level up and it doesn't have to be a negative thing, but it's like what is the necessity? Damn it. I want to be living my best life. How can you do that? You know that auditing works. You want to go clear, you want to go ot. You've got to get your necessity level up and you can't just sit there and go out and have drinks and post on facebook and all of this and live in la vida loca and everything and you never get up the fucking bridge. You have to change your necessity level. Ah, someday. You can't do that. You've got to get your necessity level up and sometimes you have to push yourself. Most of the time you have to push yourself. You want to say something? I can see it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I'm telling you, listen, that one datum, necessity level, that one datum changes everything and it changed a lot for me. Lrh says in the lecture, the complete auditor, part two. He says that all you have to do. Well, he said we've wondered a long time what is necessity level? How would you like to be able to artificially pick up a person's necessity level? All you would have to know is what necessity level is.
Speaker 2:Necessity level and exteriorization are quite similar. As a matter of fact, necessity level is merely, evidently extroversion occasioned acutely by the presence of a recognizably menaceful problem in the environment. So it's extroversion. Get this. I want you, I want you, if you're listening, I want you to understand this when we talk about necessity level. I know why you laugh, jonathan. Necessity level is extroversion occasioned acutely by the presence of a recognizably menaceful problem in the environment. And so that means you recognize the problems in your life, you recognize what's going on, this is menaceful, this is terrible, this is not the way I want to be living. You recognize how bad it is and now it's time to exteriorize, to get out of that, to bring yourself out of that problem, and by recognizing that, by recognizing that, you pull yourself out of it, your necessity level immediately raises. He says this here we have the environment suddenly posing a big, recognizable problem. There is the problem and the person comes up to present time and extroverts on it. That is necessity level, that's it.
Speaker 2:And so if you're listening to the sound of my voice right now and you look around your life and you see some recognizably noticeable problems, it could be your finance, it could be your body, it could be your life, it could be your relationships, it could be whatever right. If you look around your life and you recognize some recognizably noticeable, menaceful I love that word, menaceful problems, this is your call to extrovert from that. This is your way to pull yourself out of that, to raise up the necessity level and pull out of that Right. And it's brilliant because when we think about it, like you just talked about the lady with the car, she recognized that her grandbaby was under a car and she raised herself. She raised the necessity level up so high that she extroverted the car. She just threw it. You know, whatever Right. She lifted the car up just to get that baby off her. Uh, the car off the baby.
Speaker 2:So I'm saying all that to say is that as you look at your life, you'll get to determine what your when you're going to raise your necessity level. We can't do it for you. I can encourage you, I can. I can. I can bring you to a, a, a hope maybe that there is a better way and a better thing that you can employ for your life to get into a better condition.
Speaker 1:But you have to do the work you see, right, and that comes down to considerations or seniority, to the physical universe. What is your necessity? Well, I can do my nine-to-five job and someday I'll be clear. Someday I'll win the lottery. I'll get a lottery ticket every friday after I get paid, okay, okay, good luck with that.
Speaker 1:But you, you got to get your necessity level up because the odds of winning the lottery aren't in your favor. Uh, now you know, maybe you could postulate it and that would maybe solve all your problems. But money doesn't buy happiness either. Auditing does. So you have to get your necessity level up and go. Okay, these are things that are menaceful, that I need to change, and they're not changing. And you have to look at it and go. If anything's going to change, I'm going to be the person that is going to have to change them and get your necessity level up and go. I have to get a second job or I have to stop, stop eating crappy food so that I feel better, so that I can do better at work. I mean, it could be anything. You have to get your necessity level up and dooming and glooming it and everything that we're. You know the world's coming to an end and all that stuff. We've we've taken those approaches in other podcasts and you've heard it many times before from us.
Speaker 1:But the thing is, is it all lies within you? What is the necessity? To go clear, what is the necessity to go OT? Do you not understand what those states are and it's not what those states can do for you? This is key.
Speaker 1:Hear me when I say this it's what can you do with that state that you are? It's a beingness. You're trying to get to a point of beingness, to doingness, to havingness, and that is why you fail. It's not what can it do for me, it's what can I do for myself. That is necessity level. That is why you fail. It's not what can it do for me. It's what can I do for myself. That is necessity level. That is why you are not clear or OT is because you're looking at it backwards and we beat that drum Be, do, have, have, do, be. Okay, I get that. You get that as a listener. But the thing is, is you really need to understand that? It's not what it's going to do for you? You have to get there first. You have to get there first, change your necessity level and get that going. That's why you're not clear. Ot, yeah.
Speaker 2:And what's interesting, because Ellery continues in his lecture where he talks about how four, three, four, five, 10 times a day most human beings are actually confronted with opportunities to raise their necessity level. But we get kind of in this bandwidth. It's kind of like a chronic tone level, right, this chronic tone level where it's like you just kind of tolerate. Have you ever been in a situation that your job maybe, or been in a situation in a relationship perhaps, or something, where you just tolerate certain things because it's just the way things are, that's just life, that's just the cards I was dealt, you know, whatever people say, right, and so we tolerate these things. And he actually talks about how you actually confronted with remarkable instances of this, talks about how you actually confronted with remarkable instances of this. He says that you think that a man could be extroverted by a sudden approach of a recognizable menace three, four, five, 10 times a day. The opportunity could present itself. But do you ever really rise to the occasion? Do you ever really break through that chronic tone barrier, as it were, and do something different?
Speaker 2:I say all the time when I work with my clients I say listen, I don't do things in gradual, like small, incremental thing. I'm not a really incremental person. I like big bold moves. That's me. I think fortune favors the bold, that's why I like fortune, and so I take big bold moves. And so when I saw this opportunity, when I talked to Jonathan, when we found each other online or whatever I was like listen, what do I need to do? How do we make this happen? How do we get this done? And I took a big bold move, not because I had it like that. It was because I knew that by doing this big bold thing, fortune favors the bold and I was able to put some stuff in action. I was able to raise my necessity level up and start pulling in things seemingly out of nowhere. I would have never thought to look at some of these places, and it came up to that level and met me where I was.
Speaker 1:So I loved it Right, and that also goes along with what and this comes from a couple different angles what's life without risk?
Speaker 1:Right, if you don't if you do, if, if nothing ventured, nothing gained. If you don't take a risk, if you you know there's the difference between a risk and a calculated risk, but if you know that auditing works and training works, what are you waiting for? What are you waiting for? Because it it isn't going to change unless you change it. And you have to make bold moves. You have to take a step Now. Granted, you can make a postulate, and it doesn't cost you anything to make a postulate, and that postulate will stick to the degree that you go. Okay, I am going to do this, because beingness is what gets you to make that postulate. Now, you've got to put it into action. You don't just I'm going to brush this, because beingness is what gets you to make that postulate. Now you've got to put it into action. You don't just I'm going to brush my teeth twice a day. Well, you're not going to brush your teeth unless you brush your teeth twice a day. Get it. We said this before. Same thing holds true for going clear.
Speaker 1:You have to make the moves. You have to have a necessity level. A necessity level. Things need to change. They can not should. They can be better, they can be a lot better. You can have all this stuff pushed to the wayside because you're doing the pushing by doing something about it. Putting it out there, having necessity, making it happen, doing the things that you need to do in order to achieve the goals that you need to achieve. That's what we're trying to say. That's really the only reason.
Speaker 1:Whether you're in the corporate church or you're in independent Scientology, you have to look at it and go okay, what's going on here? This is going to cost me way too much to do this. In independent Scientology. You have all those arbitraries out of the way. You've got half-price bridge specials with AOGP. You can do it online in your own home. You don't have to go anywhere. You can do it as many days as you want or as many hours as you want. All of these stops that have been put out there by Big Brother that owns the Corporate Church of Scientology do not exist in the independent field. All you have to do is get started and get in touch with us and we will get you going. That is our sole purpose.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, and in that same lecture I was talking about earlier about auditing speed, he says it. He says that you think that the stops, the lack of money or the time I't have time or you know whatever, you think that those things are invalidation of somebody, invalidation of what you want. But he says, as a matter of fact I'm reading here he says, as a matter of fact, it's a validation of somebody to try to do something about it. You see, the bulk of people that have gone around the bin and are being normal, these characters not only don't think there's anything that can be done about it, they don't think that there is anything else than this life. This is it, this is life and that's the way you live.
Speaker 2:Absolutely screaming messes, he says, absolutely screaming messes. He says Absolutely screaming messes life. They're not living any kind of life that anybody would want to live, much less them. And they tell you so, you see, but there isn't anything you can do about it. According to them, you might say they have totally surrendered to the disorderliness of existence.
Speaker 2:This is something else that people go around saying that it's because I don't have, because I can't get, because I can't because, because, because, because, because one of the things he does, like they go in and do and see all this stuff. But realizing LRAC is looking at it from a different perspective, that it's not an invalidation of somebody or what you're trying to create. It's a validation that somebody can try to do something about it. And you're talking to two people who do every day trying to do something about it, conversation after conversation, pc after PC, red cycle after red cycle, auditing session after auditing session, doing this to do something about it. And that's to me that's a validation. I feel validated. You know what I mean, that I'm here trying to do something about this, and so I don't want you to ever feel like, just because you don't have, you can't be.
Speaker 1:Right, how many conversations have you and I had with people over the last six months, where? But I have this consideration, I have this consideration, I have to take care of this, I have to take care of that. And then there's this, and then there's that.
Speaker 2:What about my cat? What about my shoes? Right, right, right what, what?
Speaker 1:what about the new job that I have to get, that that I haven't gotten hired for yet? I have to do that. Or? And you're just like, okay, what is that? Is that being you have, or is that have to be I have? I have to say it again. But this is why you aren't clear, because your considerations are senior to your necessity level. Mic drop, yeah, change your considerations to match your necessity level and then things will follow suit.
Speaker 1:It's that simple, and he talks about that in the well, they're now called the root to infinity lectures. He talks about you have to put it there. You have to see it in the physical universe, you have to mock it up. See yourself in session holding the cans in front of your computer with me as your auditor Qu front of your computer with me as your auditor. Quentin is your auditor, matt as your auditor. See yourself in session. See yourself having a win. See yourself getting out of session and walking outside the house and going. Man, I feel fucking good. Yes, seriously, you know I didn't have every session, right right, every session.
Speaker 1:See yourself doing that. Don't just put it out there someday, because then it will just be someday. That is why you are not clear yet.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think there's something to be said and I want you to hear in this conversation that we're having with you. I want you to hear the level of certainty in our voice, right, I want you to hear the level of certainty that, hopefully, you feel it right. Because certainty is such an interesting thing? Because when you look at this material universe, this physical universe, you can be rather certain. A sane person can look around the room and be rather certain that this is a desk, or rather certain that that's a door or whatever, right.
Speaker 2:But when it comes to things in your personal life, when it comes to things that are in your spiritual life right, it could sometimes be hard for people to be certain about that. And so what I want to share with you is that the certainty is something that you build. Oh, I don't know how to say it. The certainty is something that you ascertain. It's like you become certain. You know that, you become certain, you know that, you know that, you know that, you know right, I don't know how else to say it yeah, there's no other outcome other than that period paragraph.
Speaker 1:That is tone 40. In science, independent scientology, tone 40 is this is boom, yes, that is without reservation. Right, and that is what what it's all about. That is how you change your considerations. I'm certain, but what if I'm not? Well, then, you're not certain, knock it off.
Speaker 2:You're saying but hold on a second and if you're not certain, catch this. And if you're not certain about the ability to take care of this situation, or the ability to change your course in life, or the ability to pay for my bridge or whatever, if you're not certain, wouldn't it make more sense to lean on the certainty that is there conversation, the certainty in talking to a trained uh, class 8, 12, 10 or whatever isn't? Isn't it better to lean into the certainty of what is versus the uncertainty of what? Maybe, I don't know if I could do that, you know, and it's almost like having this other determinism, this other thing telling you that you can't, you can't you how, you ain't gonna be able to pay that off. You ain't gonna be able to make that. You ain't gonna be able to do that. You ain't gonna be ain't going to be able to pay that off. You ain't going to be able to make that. You ain't going to be able to do that. You ain't going to be able. When you going to find the time.
Speaker 2:You got three kids. Ba ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba ba. Yeah, all this stuff, all this stuff that is telling you what it is certain of, you certain about them cats. You certain about that light? You got to pay the light bill, that's right. That's right. I'm a bo2, that's right. I look about. Listen, I pay my bo2. I'm a bo2, I take care of me yeah, period.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you, you know what certainty. You know what certainty feels like it's certain that you're going to have to pay your light bill at the end of the month. That's what certainty feels like. It is a certainty that you're going to have to pay that bill. Now take that feeling and transpose it over to I am certain I'm going to go clear, I'm going to go OT. It's that simple. You're putting it there, you're mocking it up. That same feeling is you're certain of your light bill Bill. You're certain you're going clear and that's it. Bam, that's a pass. Now do it, make it happen. And it's not hard to make it happen once you're certain, because now your necessity level is up. Where did your necessity level change when you decided to be certain?
Speaker 2:Right, that's it and to be exterior to your own menacing problems of your life right now. And how beautiful that is, see, this is why I love Scientology, because I feel the love, I feel the care, I feel the consideration for other beings that exist within this movement and within what we're building, what we're creating as independent Scientologists. I feel it, and so, as you continue to go up the bridge, as you continue to go clear, you become so much and this is my lived experience you become exterior to your own problems. I'm telling you what I know, not what I read out of a book, okay, you become exterior to your own problems. And that, telling you what I know, not what I read out of a book, okay, you become exterior to your own problems.
Speaker 2:And that's what necessity level really is. We just read it, exterior to the menacing problems of your life, and you realize that I have to be acutely so for that thing. For that thing, I got to get out. Because of that reason I can't stay here no more. Because of that reason I'm done. Because of that reason I'm done. Because of that reason, this must change. And when you get to that place in your life and many of you already are, many of you already are. When you get to that place in your life, that's where the necessity level is and that's when you make the call, that's when you reach out, that's when you say something's gotta give and that's when it changes for you that's right.
Speaker 1:And at and at the bottom of the bridge of the grade chart the 1981 grade chart and all the other ones after 1965, right at the bottom, there, just below the purification rundown is need for change on the scale of awareness. That is, necessity level as a seed. Okay, this has got to change. I need to fix this. I'm doing this because I know this works. I've seen these tools, I've experienced them. I have some certainty that they work. If these tools work, what about all the other ones you you don't know about yet in session, on course, that type of thing. That's it need for change. You have to take on this adventure and you will find out of this. We are certain. We are almost at under this. We are. We are almost at 170 podcasts. Nobody can touch us the number of podcasts that we've done. Why? Because we are certain that this works and it works for you as well as for us. What are you waiting for?
Speaker 2:yeah, and so you know, and, in a way of establishing certainty, is to set anchor points right. And you set these anchor points where you like. Like your body is an anchor point, like you you're. You're relatively certain that you're here working with the body on some level. Right, whether interior, exterior, whatever right, you're relatively certain that you're working with a body you know as sane as one is. And and so what you do then is you set an anchor point for that future self. You set an anchor point for who you are to be, to become. You set an anchor point to that and you move towards that anchor point and every viewpoint you get, every viewpoint you regard in the direction of that anchor point, it all leads to that. So when the bill comes in, when the extra income tax check comes in, when the extra da-da-da whatever it is, every viewpoint that comes into your purview goes toward that anchor point of who you are becoming, and you do it with. Let me be clear, I'm not just even talking about going up the bridge. You do it in every way of your life If you want it to work out, if you want it to work out and you want it to get your body to a certain thing. Right, you set an anchor point. You have an idea in your mind that you set of how you want your body to look. It could be to fit into that nice dress that you had 10 years ago. It could be to get ready for your wedding. It could be to get ready, whatever the thing is that you set the anchor point for. And then you get to running. You go on a treadmill, you go run outside, you go swimming, you go lift some weights, you go do whatever it is that gets you.
Speaker 2:When I was in South Africa with Jonathan, jonathan took me to that gym. Jonathan would take me to that gym and I didn't like to go. That's me, but I would. I would go to the gym because you know I'm trying to support him, I'm trying to be that. You know I'm gonna go to the gym. Okay, so I would go to the gym and boy oh boy, I saw I start on the bike. But what the problem was and I'm telling y'all what I know the problem was I didn't have an anchor point. Yeah, I would, just I would just what I know, the problem was I didn't have an anchor point.
Speaker 2:I would just go into the gym because Jonathan was going to the gym and I didn't want to sit at the house by myself, you know. And so I would go to the gym and I would get on the bike and I ride the bike for like 20 minutes and I get off the bike and then I get on the row machine. I do the row machine for about 10 minutes, I get off Looking over his shoulder he done, yet Right. And I'd be like are you done? Okay, all right, I just won.
Speaker 2:Literally, this is what we literally did, and I say this because you set these anchor points for what you want. That's right. It's a job, it's a body type, it's a health goal, it's a relationship goal, it's a mental health goal, it's a spiritual goal. Relationship goal, it's a mental health goal, it's a spiritual goal. You set the anchor point for your life and that becomes your certainty. That becomes your certainty. I know that. I know that. I know that. I know that that's possible for me. I know that that's where I'm going. I know that this is who I'm becoming. This is the man or the woman that I choose to be. This is how you change your life.
Speaker 2:Sure, and if you don't, if you've never had that, if it's this nebulous, oh, I'll be clear one day. That's like me going to the gym oh, I'll lift a 10 pound, I'll get on the bike and do some pedaling, you know, and I'll feel better. No, baby, that ain't how it work. We're going to set the anchor point. So when you so get this, as you hear this podcast, get online, go to ao-gporg, in the little corner, bottom quarter fin, the little AI you can say, hey, I need to talk to somebody. Just say that I need to talk to somebody. Just do that, I need to talk to somebody, and that that will start the conversation. That would be like getting on the bike and we'll help you get an anchor point. We'll help you get some certainty around what's possible and what you can do and how you can do it and how you can make it happen. That's not a problem, but you got to do it.
Speaker 1:That's right. That's right. It doesn't fall into your lap. You have to put it out there. You have to shoot that crossbow with the rope that gets you to the other side. It goes into the rock and now all of a sudden you can climb across that rope and there you are, to the other side. Now you have an anchor point. You have to put it out there. So, put it there, get your necessity level up, get that certainty. There Is it in the rock? Yeah, it is Okay. Now go. We're going to leave it at that. I think you all get the picture.
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