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SE11EP18 - Overthinking Versus Knowingness
Overthinking plagues almost everyone at some point, but what if freedom from this mental trap was closer than you think? This episode takes you on a journey into the profound difference between overthinking and true knowingness.
We explore how overthinking creates an illusory world where we're constantly comparing current situations to past experiences rather than perceiving what's actually in front of us. This mental gymnastics keeps us trapped in a cycle where solutions remain elusive because we're not dealing with reality – we're dealing with our interpretations and projections.
The Independent Scientology perspective offers a fascinating framework: the Know to Mystery Scale. At the top sits complete knowingness (serenity of beingness), while at the bottom lurks refusal to know (mystery). Between these poles lie curiosity, desire, enforcement, and inhibition. The lower we find ourselves on this scale, the more solid our problems become and the more we struggle with overthinking.
Perhaps most surprising is the paradoxical solution: increasing our "tolerance for stupidity" – our ability to confront not knowing. When we can comfortably admit we don't know something without spiraling into anxiety or defensiveness, we open ourselves to genuine perception rather than reactive thinking.
A powerful success story shared in the episode illustrates the transformation: "The old perceived problem might still seem to be there... but it just does not have an effect on me. It will be okay and it will be fixed somehow. This is a feeling and not a thought." This distinction – between feeling and thinking – cuts to the heart of the difference between knowingness and overthinking.
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Hi everybody, and welcome to another Scientology Outside of the Church podcast brought to you by AO-GPorg, the Advanced Order of the Great Plains and the College of Independent Scientologycom, our online social media platform and online college course room for independent Scientology. This is season 11, episode 18. I'm here with Quentin Stroud, who is six hours away from me, and he's been kind enough to do a podcast after traveling all week. It's about nine o'clock there, I think, isn't it six hours? Yeah, that's right. Yep, yep. So it's a little late for you, but we're going to knock one out here, and this one is called overthinking versus knowingness. How many people listening to this podcast overthink versus no? That's what we're going to cover. So how do I want to get this started? What's a good jumping off point?
Speaker 2:Well, I'll tell you why it kind of came through for me. Because oftentimes in what I do, you know, there's often an opportunity to ask a person you know well, what do you think about that, or what do you think about this? And we kind of say it very easily Like what do you think about that, or what do you think about this? And we and we kind of say it very easily Like what do you think about this, or what do you think about that, or you know whatever, and it can kind of get a person kind of spinning in their own head and oftentimes it's been my experience that people will easily and quickly say, oh, I don't know, you know oh I don't know, oh, I don't know, and it just rolls off the tongue and for me it's such an ugly thing to say.
Speaker 2:My grandma used to say don't be ugly. It's such an ugly thing to say because it's like you automatically kind of put yourself in this place of not knowing this, you know, not knowing this, you know, not knowing this, and it just it troubles me, I don't know. It's probably one of the biggest pet peeves that I have, and so I wanted to talk about this, because what causes a person to overthink and I think that you know, lrh has some good references that talk about this.
Speaker 1:So overthinking versus knowing this like how do we, how do we, how do we remedy this? Well, I think it's important to note that we have the know to mystery scale, better known as the tone scale, and that is a integral part of this, to the degree that you know. The definition of the word scientology is knowing how to know. So that's a good way to find out. How to know something is learn information, get information, uh, make it your own and start using it so that you can know more and think less. And the more you know, the higher your tone level, the more the more. And you know what we've said this before another podcast is that the, the tone scale is varying degrees of affinity, reality, communication and understanding. And it's that simple. Because these, these tone levels, these emotional tone levels, allow you and you can mock them up, you can create them yourself. Just like LRH says, you know, if you smile, you soon find something to smile about. So you can raise your tone level just by that. Raise your tone level just by that and to the degree that you're smiling, to the degree that you feel happy, to the degree that your ethics are in. Sorry, I had to drop that e word in there for those going. Oh, not that word, but it's true to the degree. To the degree that you know, and I had such such a revelatory morning working with people on conditions, ethics conditions. This morning I mean mind-blowing morning, from about 7 o'clock to about 10.30, south African time, 11.30, something, no, actually it was 11.30. 7.30 to 11.30,. All I did is deal with people and their conditions and I didn't have any plans when I woke up to do that, but that's what happened. And to the degree again, ethics, tech and admin to the degree that your ethics are in is to the degree that your admin and your tech are in. More so tech and then admin.
Speaker 1:But if your ethics aren't in, you're out of valence. And if you're out of valence, you're being somebody else that doesn't know as much as you know. Right, I'm going to throw that in there and we can kind of jump off from there a little bit. Because if you're being somebody else as a solution to a problem, which is being out of valence, what you're doing is you can't beat them, join them. We've talked about this in a bunch of podcasts as well. That's what a goals, problems, math is. And if you don't know who you are, what have you got? You're being somebody else and you're not being yourself. So how could you know? And that brings us to and I'm just going to put this here this isn't a podcast about ethics, don't worry everybody, it's okay. It'll only be here for a second, so just buy it on a wood stick or something. I'm sorry, I'm being sarcastic.
Speaker 1:You're right. If you look at the lower conditions and you look out enemy, right, find out who you really are, which is the condition of enemy Then what do you know? You know who you are. Find out who you really are. So that's where you have to start out.
Speaker 2:Not that I'm saying that everybody's in a condition of enemy. But I'm saying that helps you realize who you really are. And if you don't know who you really are, how can you know anything? Because you'll say this, that that when, when you're dealing with scientology, like you said before, it's knowing how to know, when you're dealing with scientology, incumbent in the name as an independent scientologist, you kind of you kind of go into life saying that I seek to know this, whatever this is, whatever is in front of you, whatever life throws at you, whatever you are or whoever you are, you go in seeking like I seek to know this. And I now have technology, spiritual technology, to know how to know right, using ARC triangle, using KRC triangle, using different mechanisms, and sorry if I'm throwing words out, but I want you to understand that there's technology that is available to know how to know as an independent Scientologist. And you go into life every day, in every moment, knowing that I can know the answer to that. I can understand that.
Speaker 2:And LRH talks about in his lecture for tolerance of unknowingness. He talks about how there has to be a, that you have to increase one's tolerance for stupidity, and that's actually the sinner trick of Scientology, believe it or not the sinner trick of Scientology, believe it or not. The sinner trick of Scientology is that you increase one's tolerance for stupidity, which is unknowingness. Just I'm not calling anybody stupid, stupidity is just not knowing. Right, and you increase one's tolerance for unknowingness so that when it comes at you and and it will when something comes at you and you don't, or you feel may feel like you don't know the answer for it, you can confront it. You can feel sure about that. I can come to a knowingness of this. You can feel confident that I can understand what's here in front of me, even though right now I feel stupid about it, or there's some stupidity in front of me. Right, and this doesn't just have to do with people, it doesn't just have to do with, you know, a carburetor on your car or your car broke down or whatever. This is anything in life.
Speaker 2:Any masses think about a rock, right, think about a rock. It's just a lump of, it's a mass of stupidity, right, and this stupid rock gets thrust at your head, okay, and as you as a being, as an operating Thetan, as one who operates in your beingness, as you who knows who you really are, you know who you really are. The rock doesn't scare you, right? The bullet doesn't frighten you. The stupidity of the financial situation doesn't daunt you.
Speaker 2:I think I said it in the last podcast no test should daunt you, because if you don't already have the answer, you know that you can know it. Scientology, knowing how to know. And so what I love about this is that all of the thinking, overthinking that we get ourselves into at times, that actually is not the remedy, right? You sitting there overthinking about your problems, you sitting there overthinking about your situation, you sitting there overthinking about your health, you sitting there overthinking about whatever it is it actually doesn't remedy it. But deciding there's that word deciding that I can know this and I can come to a knowingness about this and I can know how I want to handle this.
Speaker 1:That actually is the start of it, and I can know how I want to handle this. That actually is the start of it, right. And that also comes to LRH's scale, called the CDEI scale, which starts out with and it's typically like during when we're doing ARC breaks it's curious, desired, enforced, enforced, inhibited, no, no and refuse. But the real whole scale outside of doing it in an ARC break, rudiment is no, k-n-o-w at the top understand, curious, desired, enforced, inhibited, no, no and refuse. Curious and understand and, excuse me, know and understand, and then curious and desired. Isn't that interesting. So where are you at if you don't know something? You're curious about something, or desired, below that, or enforced or inhibited, or no, no or refused. So when you get to the hypnosis drill, which is an HCLB, a technical bulletin, and you get somebody to look at something, you say, okay, look at that guy over there. What do you see? Well, he looks angry, he's, he's nervous. No, no, no, okay. What do you see? Well, what do you mean? What do you see? How many, how many people have I done that with? Every one of them? That's never done.
Speaker 1:The drill before makes an assumption we talked about this in one of the earlier podcasts assumptions and expectations. There's a difference between no and assumption, a difference between no and assumption. So what are you doing there? You have to look at something for what it is, without bias or rumor, if you want to go as far as the conditions and look at it for what it is. Oh, oh, oh oh. What do you see? Well, he has a nose, he has two eyes, he has a receding hairline, his clothes are well-pressed, he has a brand-new pair of tennis shoes on, he has some hair on his chest and he looks like he is standing there. Okay, good, now what's the difference between that and what we're talking about here? As far as thinkingness, overthinkingness and knowingness, you look at something as it is.
Speaker 2:It's crazy because, even as you were going yeah, exactly, you look at something as it is. It's crazy because, even as you were going through that, how many times have we been in situations where somebody might misjudge a person's attitude? Or oh, you're talking to me like that, you're talking to me like that, you're talking to me, and they'll kind of go into this whole, like you coming at me, kind of vibe, like no, wait, wait, wait, you misjudged, that's not what I was trying to do, that wasn't my intention, or whatever. The case may be right, and yet we observe in error, right, or we'll hear something and we'll say something, or we'll do something and it's observed out of error and like that's not what I intended to get across, that wasn't what I intended to communicate in that moment.
Speaker 2:And so oftentimes, if you're looking at a person, are you seeing that person? Are you seeing what's there in front of you, or are you seeing what you're assuming is that person's character, or that person's personality, or that person's issue, or that person's whatever, right, it makes a difference. It really does. It makes a difference. I was talking to a brother. Oh, go ahead.
Speaker 1:No well, I just wanted to put in there that overthinkingness and perception are two different things. What are you perceiving if you're overthinking? You're not. You're comparing it to something else in the past instead of looking at it in the present, because thinking takes a comparable. You have to compare this to that. This is, this is granite, this is sandstone, this is that.
Speaker 1:And so then you start to get into biases when you add the reactive mind. And then now you overthink because you're not perceiving in present time, you're not being there and being comfortable, which comes back to your TR drills and the communication course, all the way up to Pro TRs. You're not being there and being comfortable. Therefore you are not perceiving. Now you're thinking, you're comparing one thing to another and then, oh, you got stimulated, you got triggered. Okay, he looks angry.
Speaker 1:Okay, that's overthinking, whereas observing the obvious, or what LRH calls hypnosis, forces you to look at it for what it is in this time, in this moment, in this place. So you're not thinking, you're knowing. I know he has a nose, I know he has well-pressed clothes, he has brand new tennis shoes. They are clearly white, but still, even then, are those brand new tennis shoes? Do you know that? You don't, that's true, you don't. So you have to look at it for what it is, not what you think it is. And that comes down to being honest with yourself as well. So if you're overthinking something and you look at the CDEI scale, where are you at if you're overthinking? Are you at know, understand, curious, desired? That's not bad, it's in the middle. But then you get into enforced know and refused. So knowing is at the top, but curious isn't too bad. So the difference are you? Are you overthinking if you're curious?
Speaker 2:no, you know. No, that it would be lower because because you would. And people and people have made this mistake. Jonathan, this is really real. People have made the mistake in overthinking. And then you say, well, well, why did you? Why did you think about it like that? Why did you? Why did you just kind of stay on that? And you were like, oh, I was just curious, I was just curious. I was just curious. No, you weren't curious, you were. It was something else, it was, it was lower than that. Because if you were just curious, you would have a curiosity about it and you would seek to figure it out, or you would dive deeper into it, or you'll go read a book, or you will go you don't look more into it. But if you just sat there, if you just sat there in overthinking this, if you just sat there and trying to figure, figure, figure, figure, figure, right, that's not curiosity, that's like actually, it's like no, like not knowing, knowing no, you know.
Speaker 2:Exactly. It's you know and could be. I'll say this and could even be inhibited, right, you let you like. I don't want to know the answer to that question. I don't want to know if he's cheating. I don't want to know if this is the one. I don't want to know if he's cheating.
Speaker 1:I don't want to know if this is the one. I don't want to know. Right, right and the opposite of no on the CDEI scale, starting at K-N-O-W at the top, at the bottom, is refuse. I know all about this and I've already thought this and it's a done deal, done and dusted over. I refuse to take any more looks at it right, I refuse to take any more looks at it.
Speaker 2:And this happens with finances. How many people and I'm just throwing stuff out there to see what sticks right, but how many people, even when it comes to finances, won't look at their bills or won't look at their accounts, or won't look at their credit reports or won't look at whatever? How many people won't look at their credit reports or won't look at whatever? How many people won't look at something because they can't confront it right? So it's not a curiosity, or it's not even desire. Oh, I desire for my finances to be better, but did you look? I desire for my situation to be better, but are you taking a look? Are you using your stats? We talked about ethics earlier. Are you looking at statistics when it comes to your situation? Are you looking at statistics when it comes to your business, your finance? Are you looking at statistics when it comes to your relationship? What are you looking at?
Speaker 1:That's right. That's right. And when a person is knowing they are perceiving as is. And we talked about this axiom 11, in Scientology axioms we use it a lot You're as-is-ness, you're not-is-ness, you're is-ness and you're alter-is-ness. So where in that scale which is part of the CDEI scale, is more expanded than axiom 11 is where is curious and desired as an isness? Is it altered?
Speaker 2:Wait, ask that question again.
Speaker 1:Where is curious and desired as a form of of the isnesses, axiom 11.
Speaker 2:Oh, I see I got you. Okay, I understand now. So where is curious and desired is? That is not isness, right? No, curious and desired is not isness, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's not isness, because you don't have the information. No, yeah.
Speaker 2:They're all forms of isness, but as isness is no, it's full truth, right, I know? I know what it is, I know the truth and boom, I'm good, right, right, so if you show, you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free that's right.
Speaker 1:So if you're overthinking something, where are you at on the cdi scale? You're. If you're overthinking something, where are you at on the CDI scale? If you're overthinking, you're not at no, you're at a not is-ness or an alter is-ness at best. At best, you're not at an as is-ness, because an as is-ness is a complete no, is a complete duplicate put on top of itself, which is further down in the actions, I think between 17 and 11. Yeah you're right.
Speaker 2:Right, you're right. Curious and desire will be at alter. Is this? Because, curious and desired, something's altered, something's not true, something's a lie, something's somewhere, and I'm trying to figure this out. I'm trying to get to the bottom of things. I'm curious and I'm desiring knowing this. I'm desiring getting to the bottom of this. I'm doing my research, I'm diving deep, I'm trying to figure this situation out with my finances or with my life or my health or whatever. Yeah, but I know that there's a lie somewhere and I'm trying to get to the bottom of it. That's desire, that's curious, that's higher up. But when you get to know, when you get to enforce, know which is N-O or inhibit it, you're in naughtiness.
Speaker 1:Big time. Yeah, it gets more and more solid. Because you're looking at the CDEI scale as a very abbreviated tone scale, because 40.0 on the tone scale is serenity of beingness and that's why it's called the no K-N-O-W to mystery scale at the bottom. So refused would be mystery. At the bottom right-hand side of the tone scale, k-n-o-w, serenity of beingness is 40.0. Because you know and so you don't have to think. You just know that's it Right. So anything in between, and the further down you go, the more solid you get. If you look at the tone scale and you look at the little faces on there and everything like that, they get more and more solid as you go down until you get down to refused and hiding at the bottom of the tone scale, to where you know nothing. Because you're hiding, your fruits of observation are completely cut off. So the way you handle this is you get more information on how to know and that comes through either auditing or it comes through training, and auditing Training's great. 50% of the gains are in training, 50% of the gains are in auditing. So if you're overthinking something, you may have bias and that bias is created by false data, which we've talked about in I don't know how many podcasts. If you're operating off of false data, like we said with the hypnosis drill, what do you see? No-transcript complexity and confronting. Okay, what's what's so complex about this situation? Um, looking at my, my, the statistics of my finances okay, so what about that? Are you not confronting? And that's that. It's as simple as that. Where is that on the cdi scale? Where is that on the tone scale, the note of mystery scale at the bottom? You don't want to look at it. You're in hiding now. Okay, so if you look at it and you confront it, and you look at it and say it's complex, what am I not confronting about it? Okay, okay, now there is a solution. This is what I'm not confronting about it. What did LRH have to say about this thing that I'm not confronting?
Speaker 1:You go to our AI on the website, finn, in the bottom right-hand corner of a-gporg, or you go to College of Independent Scientology, if you're a registered member, and use it there. Either way is fine. Go there and ask Finn uh, what can you tell me about creating statistics for my finances? And Finn will give you the answer as an example. Or you can, and Finn's based off of all of the LRH, uh, organization executive course volumes and the technical volumes, not the lectures. There's too many of them, we couldn't fit them on there, but most of that stuff is written anyway in either the technical or the administrative volumes.
Speaker 1:This is how you can find this thing out, so you can go from curious to know, curious, understand, know. And then you can look at something and go curious, understand, know. And then you can look at something and go ah, there we go. Because, as LRH says, in the data series, the correct why opens the door to a handling. It doesn't say anything about thinkingness. You know where it is, you know how to solve it, and that's the beauty of independent Scientology is you have the tools but maybe you're not aware of them. You have to get some tools in order to get out of overthinking or thinking at all, because perception, awareness is immediate, thinkingness is reactive and timelessness because you're having to go back in time oh my gosh, and and you're having to pull in goals, problems and masses.
Speaker 2:You're having to pull it all in, like you literally are sitting there creating this stuff thing, itopping it up, yeah, in your mind.
Speaker 2:I want you guys to really think about what we're saying here, because this is important. When you go into this overthinking-ness, you're sitting there creating stuff in your mind that should be, or could be, or might be, or possibly you know all the leaves. You're creating that in your mind and making it a part of that thinkingness, which then keeps you from knowing anything. And so you, you can, you continue to go down scale. It continues to get heavier and heavier and heavier. You continue to feel worse and worse and worse the more you stay in this overthinking this, because you're pulling in or you're mocking up should I say these masses, these goals, these problems. You're putting it all in there and you're saying now, I got to think through all of that in order to become a knowingness, in order for me to know, and what Jonathan said earlier is that you've had the power all along. Dorothy, like you know that you know as a spiritual being, you know that you know your innate ability. Your innate truth is truth Period.
Speaker 1:Now it's important. You are truth Right and it's important to note. If you look up the definition of dub in in the text technical dictionary and I'm going to do that right now because I've got it right next to me and I'll read the definition here gotta get to the d's du, let's see here. Dub it, here we go. Dub in definition number one any unknowingly created mental picture that appears to have been a record of the physical universe but is in fact only an altered copy of the time track. That's definition one.
Speaker 1:Two the phrase out of the motion picture industry of putting a soundtrack on top of something that isn't there. Three a recording which is being manufactured by a recording. And four imaginary recall there is no pain, which is dubbing. So if you don't have information, you don't have information because you didn't hear from somebody. Oh, they must be ignoring me. That's dubbing. That's dub in right. So, so, right there. That is exactly what you just detailed and that is something you have to be aware of. If you are at dub in where you add on the cdei scale no, no, no, yeah, right above, refused at the bottom of the scale, so that that that's almost the worst that you could be other than refused. I'm not going to talk to them because they're ignoring me. You go right into that and then then they call you back and say my phone died, or uh, I was in an area, and if they're telling the truth.
Speaker 2:I was at the gym, gym, or whatever.
Speaker 1:Right, right, but see, that's the thing. That's the thing. Beingness and knowingness. Again, ding, ding ding. Beingness and knowingness are the same thing because at the top of the note of mystery scale is serenity of, Of beingness, Beingness which is total knowingness, total A-R-C. Why are you dubbing in?
Speaker 2:So good.
Speaker 1:So good, it's so simple.
Speaker 2:And think about the peace Serenity Right.
Speaker 1:Serenity. Think about the serenity Right, serenity Right, think about the serenity that comes along with knowingness, right, I mean, you know, that's that that comes along with knowingness.
Speaker 2:Yeah, as independent Scientologists, that's exactly what we seek to experience that peace that surpasses all understanding, that peace that is innate, inherent in knowingness, because it is truth.
Speaker 1:Right, right, and the difference between curious and know is per the axiom. Time is a lie, it is only a perception, a false perception. For anything to persist, it contains time. So that's the difference between it and knowing this, knowing this, there is no time space distance. You just know, we've all had it, we've all been there.
Speaker 1:Where you just know something, you're like it's so inexplicable, it's so inexplicable. How and and how do you get there? How do you? How do you make that stable, right and? And that is what happens with auditing, as you unburden the case, okay, and you get more auditing, you get these lies off the line that are giving you timelessness in the reactive mind that now that that is gone and is as is and is no longer there, it's not persisting, it's no longer a not is, it's no longer an alter is, and so, getting that auditing, now you have the ability to just perceive and not dub in, based off of past experiences, past goals, problems, masses, all of that stuff, and re-stimulate it and re-trigger it.
Speaker 1:Re-restimulate yourself Again, and it's important to note, part of the axioms is a Phaeton chooses to restimulate themselves per LRH, and that is where not know comes from. If you're not restimulating yourself and you are just being there and knowing and perceiving. You no longer have to think, you just know. And it is as serene as can be. It's a placid lake in the mountains that reflects the sky. No wind, no ripples, it just is is. That's all there is to it.
Speaker 2:That's what auditing gives you and the beautiful thing about auditing. The beautiful thing about auditing is lrh talks about how, when you have problems right, and these problems have come up in your lifetime and you're on your whole, whole track kind of thing, and if he says here he says very fascinating, because this is the mechanism of dramatization An individual has this problem on the, on the backtrack. Now to get rid of that problem. In that situation, he gets into a similar situation. In order to get rid of that situation, he'll have two terminals and these two terminals then, in some way or another, could communicate with each other and he'd blow it. Well, maybe this worked once, maybe it worked for millions or trillions of years for Thayton, but it hasn't worked now for millions or trillions of years, thayton, but it hasn't worked now for millions or trillions of years. And so we in present time, in present life, we have these problems that have existed on our whole track and we'll get ourselves in your current life, you'll get yourself into these problems and you're like how did I get here? How did I get strung out on drugs? How did I get put into this situation? How do I get into this bad relationship? How did I get into this life that I'm living. How did I get here? And you'll put yourself into some other situations to resolve that problem. Back when to think that if they got to communicate with each other, if those two problems were boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Get this.
Speaker 2:This is why, sitting in the chair, being on the cans, having a skilled auditor help you move, you walk you through these incidents, through these moments through your life, through your track, and these things resolve Hear me, I'm telling you what I know these things resolve these problems, go away, okay, and you don't have to put yourself back into these situations anymore. You don't have to feel this way anymore. You don't have to be there anymore. It's such a good thing. So this is why we have this and this is why we just don't. We don't want you to sit here overthinking. We want you to come to a place of knowingness, and we have the means and the ways to help you do it.
Speaker 1:And that's very true. I wanted to share while we're on here. This is a success story from grade one. You were just talking about people's problems. And you know, in order to play a game per the Scientology actions, in order to play a game, you have to agree to become aberrated. And the only way you can agree to become aberrated is if you've ever played checkers with yourself. You already knew what it is that you're going to do and what moves you'll make when you're playing both sides of the checkerboard. So there's no game. But as soon as you don't know everything about a situation or a game that you're playing and you have a counter terminal to play with in a game, now you drop down the CDI scale from no to from, then understand to curious and desired. So, uh, one of our students, uh, and also a PC, I finished on grade one this week. This was her story about problems for success story. She completed grade one, which has has to do with problems and helps. She said this was an amazing and life-changing grade.
Speaker 1:I don't have any problems anymore and if something comes up and seems to be a problem, it vanishes. I've been wandering around for a while and noticing that, as much as I try to get a problem like I had before, it is not there. Now the old perceived problem might still seem to be there. For example, a bill comes in and we don't have the money to pay for it yet, but it just does not have an effect on me or stress me in the same way. It is there, but it is not a problem anymore. It will be okay and it will be fixed somehow. This is a feeling and not a thought. It will be okay and it will be fixed somehow. This is a feeling and not a thought. This is not a dangerous way either. I am not in denial and ignore things. I handle things quickly and more efficiently now. I have good confront Help as well. I don't have any issues around that people need to help me as I help them, or they should help me, etc. Or hold on to resentment that they don't, even if something happens that would negate my old way of feeling like they could have helped. There's nothing around it. I have other great wins along the way too. I went for four interviews in the last couple of months and I got a job offer for all of them. Some people who think they know me were having their mouths open when I was telling them or giving me comments like you are a dark horse, lol. Right now I am so happy, elevated, dancing around the kitchen, feeling free. There's also a nice void slash, peace feeling, which can be filled with more inspiring things, postulates and such. Thank you so much to my amazing auditors, jamie and Jonathan MS.
Speaker 1:This is a know about problems and help. Do you see the difference? To our listeners, that viewpoint, it isn't. Maybe it is. I know how to do this. I'm not thinking about it. I know. Yeah, everything will work out the way I want it to. That is being caused theta the solver, not theta the problem. This is what we're talking about. So you don't have to overthink, you just have to know. And the best way to get to know? Get some auditing, get some training, hatch yourself up on things, either through one of those two avenues on the grade chart, and you won't overthink. You'll be able to know because you don't have these masses in place anymore and you're just perceiving instead of sensing through the body or through the reactive mind goals, problems, mass, et cetera, et cetera. It's that simple. You have the tools, we have the tools, we'll present them to you. It's that simple. So this leaves us where yes, well.
Speaker 2:I just think that was well.
Speaker 2:I think that's perfect.
Speaker 2:I think that those people who get it get it, and I know we use some technical terminology and we kind of went through some things, but this is why we want you to jump into the college, because this conversation can continue.
Speaker 2:If you've been suffering from overthinking, if you've been suffering from worry, which is a type of overthinking, if you've been suffering from anxiety, which is a severe form of overthinking, if you've been suffering from some of these things, then there's ways of having this conversation to help you get to a place of knowing this about what it is you're dealing with. And that's how we do this. That's just the way it is for us, right? So get into the college collegeofindependentscientologycom independentscientologycom, and you can also go onto the website, ao-gporg, and you can start a conversation in the bottom right corner with the communicator at the bottom right corner. All of these things are ways of starting this conversation, and if this is something that you know could work for you, then get in session. Get in session and get things moving so you can move closer and closer towards true knowingness that's right.
Speaker 1:So, for all of our listeners, we hope you've enjoyed this. It's been illuminating, enlightening. We know this stuff works. The technology works. All you have to do is avail yourself of it. We'll see you soon for another podcast, episode 19 in the next day or two, with Quentin and I and probably Arthur Namaste, and we love you, thank you. Thanks for watching.