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SE11EP21 - Independent Scientology: YOU’RE DOING TOO MUCH!
Ever catch yourself taking the long way around to happiness? This fascinating exploration begins with a light-hearted debate about crab legs and lamb chops before diving into something much deeper—how we often complicate our lives unnecessarily.
What starts as a conversation about food evolves into a profound discussion about efficiency—accomplishing your goals while using the least amount of energy, time, and resources. Through the lens of Independent Scientology principles and Dianetic axioms, we examine why so many of us create complex, exhausting paths when simpler routes exist.
The heart of our conversation revolves around the counter-efforts we face in life and how we process them. When challenges come our way, we either integrate them wisely for future growth or become aberrated by them, creating unusual solutions that require exponentially more effort than addressing root causes directly. This pattern repeats across careers, relationships, personal growth, and even day-to-day activities.
We share insights about self-determinism, the importance of understanding which agreements you enter into, and how the mind processes both pro-survival and contra-survival experiences. One particularly illuminating moment comes through a personal story about clay demonstrations in training—revealing how resistance to initial effort often prevents the change that would eliminate countless future difficulties.
Whether you're feeling overwhelmed by life's complexities or simply interested in working smarter rather than harder, this episode offers practical wisdom for reducing unnecessary cycles of action while increasing happiness and effectiveness. Join us to discover how the simple pleasures—like laughter, joy, and even the perfect bite of crab—might require far less effort than you think.
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All right, welcome to another Scientology Outside of the Church podcast. This is season 11, episode 21. I got the episode right this time after two mistakes in the last two podcasts. Apologies to our listeners. Sometimes you lose track when you do this many podcasts in a week. We're still shooting for another three this week, hopefully like we did last week. And the title of this one. Oh and the podcast is brought to you by gporg, our main site for the delivery of independent Scientology. This is a podcast, always about independent Scientology. We are not affiliated with the corporate church of Scientology whatsoever, nor do we want to be, and the College of Independent Scientology, which is our online social media platform and online course room. I'm here with Arthur Mudakis, who's been struggling to get his internet situated and everything, and we think we've got it in place, and the omnipresent Quentin Stroud. How are you guys this afternoon there in Malaysia?
Speaker 2:Very good, yeah, we're both here now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's really nice here too, even though we're towards the latter part of winter. We're going to do a podcast on you're doing too much. This is going to be. This will be a fun one. We've already been giggling about it before we started. So you're doing too much. So, quentin, do you want to take the lead on this one, because you might be able to do it better than I can, but I'd be happy to do it.
Speaker 2:It's your call talk to them about how you guys kind of fell into this conversation well it it.
Speaker 1:it occurred over some food and I thought it was lamb and I thought, okay, that's an awful lot of effort for what you get out of a lamb chop. So and then I thought, crap, that's like crab legs. Crab legs is the effort put into the crab legs does not equal the amount of calories that you get out, because there's not a lot of calories in crab. So I thought that'd be an interesting podcast, because life is very much like that and we'll get into the cycles of action and the correct estimation of effort and all of that. But there's a lot more to this than it sounds like.
Speaker 2:So Well, you know, first of all, I just want to start off by saying lamb chops are delicious and crab is the bomb. Yes, and so.
Speaker 3:Yes. And I don't eat crab legs and I don't eat crab legs.
Speaker 2:I don't eat crab legs for the caloric intake. I eat crab legs because you dipped them in nice garlic butter with some Obey seasoning and, baby, you got something going on for yourself.
Speaker 3:And I'm happy to spend a whole day roasting a leg of lamb on a low heat just for that final product.
Speaker 1:Well, that's good leg of lamb is leg of lamb is. You know it's there's. There's a better payoff there than there is lamb chops, because you got this fat and this gristle and you know just uh and I just cut that off and and I just, you know, just go, just go for the primary protein there.
Speaker 1:But that's just me. But it's also like another thing and you guys, especially being in the, I can't use. I won't say it. You guys are in the Orient. Is that politically correct? Quentin, can I use that term? We're in Southeast Asia, you're in the orient. Is that politically correct? Quentin, can I use that term? We're in southeast asia, you're in, you're in the orient. And my, my biggest beef with oriental food is when, when I order oriental takeout is 20 minutes later. I'm hungry because there's this, it's rice, you know, it's carbs and all of that stuff and so, and and granted, it's cheap, but this is, this is.
Speaker 1:This podcast is about your life and the, the roi, the return of investment, of effort that you put in, if you know, and, and that comes down to a lot of things in life where you get what you pay for. But we're not looking at it necessarily from a monetary standpoint alone. We're looking at it from the decisions you make in life and the, the, the effort that you put in to life because you've heard the expression work smarter, not harder. And that is you're, when you pick up a body and you're born, an infant and everything like that. You have an allotted amount of time and what is it that? And this could come down to time management. But it's not just time management, it's the decisions, the amount of effort that you put in the pro-survival actions you take, as opposed to the counter-survival actions that you take.
Speaker 1:I've been working with a new PC in Las Vegas going over the axioms, and every time I go over the axioms I have like five podcasts I think of that we haven't done before, and we're always talking about the scientology and dianetic axioms anyway. So quentin over to you, that's the preamble for the whole thing and how this whole thing got started, and then we'll bounce it off of each other and everything. It'll probably be a lot of fun so.
Speaker 2:So you and I come from a very different background and for me, I've never really been one to eat for. To be full Like that's not. That's like even when I was younger. I would always eat, like even I remember back in college I would eat half now and half later. I would always save half a million. I think you and I talked about this at one point when we went to the Indian restaurant. I would always eat half now and half later. And so I hear you when you say, oh, I'll eat a nice Asian dish and I'll be even hungry two hours later. Yep, that kind of happens, but I kind of prepare for that.
Speaker 2:What I'll say is that when we talk about doing too much, we're really looking at what am I putting into anything that I'm doing? Right? It could be a work effort, it could be a familial you know kind of situation it could be. You know, obviously, what we're talking about when it comes to mental health and spiritual progress. What am I doing to get a gain from this? And what I'll say is is that in my journey and my experience there's these simple pleasures that I tend to kind of gravitate towards right, like a nice, like being able to break the crab leg open and pull out the whole piece of meat Like that's a simple pleasure for me.
Speaker 1:It doesn't happen every time. It doesn't happen every time.
Speaker 2:It doesn't happen every time.
Speaker 2:Sometimes you got to dig up in there, but just being able to crack it open and put the whole piece, that's how simple and I feel, I feel like I won the universe, the game of the universe, when I put that piece of crap out Right. But also, but also in life, like the ability just to be able to laugh, like laughter, is to me a simple pleasure. Mirth, joy. These are simple pleasures and it's oftentimes we feel like we got to do a lot to get to that place. We got to do a lot to get like. I want to just be able to be happy again, and there's this idea that I have to do a lot to get there. And it might not necessarily be true. You know, sometimes people put so much effort into like trying to figure this whole thing out, and it doesn't have to take that much in my opinion right, and I think a lot of that is is taught behavior too, because we're taught that you have to.
Speaker 3:You know, the only way to get ahead is to work really, really hard. So already you're already defeated in in some sense, because if you're one that doesn't want to work super, duper hard, um, then you're not going to work hard, but then do you have to work hard, and that's that's the funny thing about it, isn't it?
Speaker 1:yeah, and, and that is in the dianetic axioms. Uh, I'm trying to find the the, the correct one here, let's see if I've got it. I have it pulled up here bear with me um here it is. Let's see here.
Speaker 3:Well, before you read it, I just had a small little realization. I think that, um, I think the thing that makes it hard is the lack of understanding towards your future potential goal. So if you don't understand what your goal is is, then of course it's going to be hard because you need to learn. You need to, for example. Like, let's say, let's say you are cooking lamb cutlets, for example. It's an easy goal. It might have a little bit of time attached to it, but it's an easy goal and you know how to do it. So therefore, you're willing to give it that time because you understand the process of cooking a lamb cutlet. Now let's say you want to succeed in life in another area that you're not quite understanding or well versed at. That's probably where a different kind of effort occurs a mental effort plus physical effort and and I found it, and it's axiom 113 of the dianetics axioms.
Speaker 1:Reality is the agreement upon perceptions and data in the physical universe. The subtext below it is all that we can be sure is real is that on which we have agreed is real. Agreement is the essence of reality. And then there's also the axiom where he talks about there are three universes there's mine, yours and the agreed-upon universe that you agree with others on.
Speaker 1:So when you're looking at the amount of time because this goes directly to your point, artie that one puts in to something, it's taught that you have to work hard as opposed to smart, yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 1:So.
Speaker 1:If you look at something, the way, the amount of cycles of action you do when you're younger and you have a body that's able and capable and can stay up until four in the morning and doesn't feel it, and do two hours of sleep and you're bulletproof, and all of that they say that youth is wasted on the young kind of thing and as the body starts to slow down, you start to think I need to work smarter, not harder, in order to get something done, but you have to be able to have the comparable magnitudes in order to do that, which is personal policy that you've learned, usually from your mistakes, because policy is what you're working off of, of comparable magnitudes, both with the analytical mind you as a thetan and what the reactive mind has, the fixed attention and the resistance that you have of being pushed off a position in space. And I must do this, I must do this, I can't do this, I'm not going to change because this happened to, that happened or whatever. And so now you're off course to a certain degree, from going straight. Now you're going to the right or to the left. So if you're working harder, you're going to the right or to the left. So if you're working harder, you're not correctly estimating the amount of effort that you have to put in to something. Go ahead, Glenn, I see you want to say something.
Speaker 2:That's right, and I think that Art kind of gave the cheat code a little bit because he was like yeah, but if you see the vision right, if you see the end goal, the end phenomenon, if you know what you're pursuing, your goal, then it seems to be easier towards moving towards that. How many of us in life whether it be a job or whatever how many of us in life we don't really know our end goal? So we just get up and we do, we do things every day, we go almost on automatic, almost like a routine. That this is life. And it seems to get harder and harder and harder because you're not kind of going at an end goal.
Speaker 2:You know when I work with money and where I work with my clients when it comes to money, I always start at the end what are you trying to accomplish here? What are you trying to accomplish with your finances? What are you trying to accomplish with your goals? And then let's start making decisions and some of those decisions might feel like a, you know, feel a little difficult, like I got to cut out this or cut out that, I gotta turn off the cable, I do whatever, whatever.
Speaker 3:But if we know the goal, per what archer said, if we know the goal and what we're going after, it seems to be a lot easier to make those steps towards getting to that goal right, but and you're willing to put the time into it as well, and that's what's even more interesting about it like, once you know what the goal is, you're willing to invest extra time or give up other things to create that time. Once you know, and and you're not, you're not just going in constant cycles, like a groundhog day, where you just wake up doing the same thing over and over and over, hoping that you know your stats are going to move up when they're just flatlining. They're just sitting.
Speaker 1:Still it's not going anywhere right and that that gets us to axiom 116 in the dianetic axioms. A self-determined effort is that counter effort which has been received into the organism in the past and integrated into the organism for its conscious use.
Speaker 3:So that makes future use as well. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, yeah, Exactly. It's a counter effort, a counter intention or whatever that you hit, run into and you don't let it destroy you. Right? That which doesn't kill you make you stronger. You don't let it destroy you, you integrate it.
Speaker 1:Read that again. A self-determined effort is that counter effort which has been received. Now, let's stop there. This is a counter effort that you've received, uh, I give. I give you an example.
Speaker 1:I used to sell tennis shoes on the street corner for years, did really well with it 200 boxes of tennis shoes, all different sizes, eight thousand dollar days gross income. Okay, but who I was ordering from? I was ordering from people, uh, a couple of them. What would happen is they would order from some company in China and they would get a container, one of those long 40-foot containers that you see on the ships. They'd get a container of tennis shoes and inside it would be stuff they didn't ask for. Right, so they pay. You have to pay for it before they ship the container to the united states. You get it and the surprise, the surprise in the crackerjack box, is you got 300 out of 800 cases of shoe styles that are just fugly. What are you going to do? You got to sell them. So you, you, you, you sell them to your customers and you do the same thing that your wholesaler did to you, and they would give us shoes that didn't sell that we paid our wholesale price for Now, what am I going to do with them?
Speaker 1:So after a while I started to realize there were certain people I could deal with and certain people that I couldn't, who were dishonest in selling me stuff I didn't want, which ties up my money, which disallows me to make and this podcast isn't about money but in this example, that is the counter effort which had been received, and this also applies to, right off the bat, quentin. What ethics condition in that situation, to a counter effort would you be applying? What condition do you think that would be? Or Arthur, really, liability? Well, that's true, it could be Danger. Yeah, there you go. Danger. What's danger? Adopt a firm policy to make sure that this doesn't happen again.
Speaker 2:I was thinking that wholesaler's a liability.
Speaker 1:Well, we are the wholesalers, that's right. You have to assign them a liability, but you also, at the same, you assign them a condition of liability and put yourself in a danger condition. Part of what you're doing is bypass habits and normal routines, which would be okay, mr wholesaler. Uh, my habits and normal routines are. I'm going to assign you a condition of liability. You need to make up the damages, and there were times where I sent them all the shoes back without asking. He said I sent you the stuff back that I didn't ask for, credit me with it and send me the shoes that I asked for. So, so in that situation, a self-determined effort is that counter effort which has been received into the organism in the past getting shoes I didn't ask for and paying for them. And now what do I do with them as a, as a retailer and integrated into the organism for its conscious use.
Speaker 1:Now you know what happened and you can learn from it, because my whole point on this is cycles of action. How many cycles of action start, change, stop, create, survive, persist, destroy do you want to do in the allotted time that you have in your lifetime? The more cycles of action you have to do, that takes up more of your time is contra-survival to your dianetic purpose, which is survive, see, so I can do 10,000 cycles of action, or I can do 1,000 cycles of action, cycles of action, or I can do a thousand cycles of action. How much? And again, we're not putting, we're not using, a monetary value on purpose for the podcast.
Speaker 1:But if you did put a monetary value on it, if I could make 10 times what I make in that thousand versus that 10,000, which one would you rather choose? Does that make sense? So what's your return on it? Yeah, you're right. Your return of investment on a thousand cycles of action versus 10,000 obviously is the better investment in your life, but you have to be able to integrate that for your conscious use. Now go ahead, quentin, I can see you want to say something. I can't see Artie, but Artie jump in whenever.
Speaker 2:Well, I was going to say that I've always talked about. I remember this. When I was a kid, I used to talk about being efficient and the word efficiency. It means to accomplish a desired goal using the least resources possible, and so that one of those resources could be your energy, it could be your time, it could be your money, it could be your effort right, and so, accomplishing a desired goal using the least resources possible to do so, right, that's an efficient. Whatever process or whatever the thing is right, it's you being efficient.
Speaker 2:And so, when we talk about you doing too much, is there a way to accomplish the goal of happiness using the least resources possible? Right? Is there a way to get to a place where before you might have been crying or upset about something? Is there a way to get to laughter about it using the least resources possible? Right, and so what I love about being an independent Scientologist is the ability to have an efficient way to happiness, an efficient way to bring laughter to a situation that might before been very dire and detrimental to you like changing things and I love how that axiom you just read about taking a received counter. Was it counter effort, is that?
Speaker 1:counter that counter effort which has been received into the organism in the past, integrated into the organism for its conscious use.
Speaker 2:Right, and so we call that shadow work right Other spiritual modalities call it shadow work that you received a counter effort and you receive it into the organism, integrated it for conscious use. And now I can think beyond. Hear me, I can think beyond this. I can think beyond, not that problems don't occur in your life anymore, but with auditing I now understand when something is coming at me. It no longer has an effect on me anymore.
Speaker 2:I was reading here in Hamburg for Pre-Clares. It says the total function of I, in quotations the total function of I is the estimation of effort. It thinks and plans and resolves the problems of future effort. When I has estimated a need for effort and puts it into action, its impulse is impinged against the glandular system switchboard and it then talks about how it turns emotional impulse into action. And so your whole function of the I, the I that you are right the whole function of you is the estimation of effort and taking that and planning and resolving for future efforts.
Speaker 2:What am I going to do now with this? This has happened to me, this has shown up in my life. I had this incident, I had this moment, I had this counter effort. What am I going to do with that to make better choices, better ways of thinking, better plans and better resolves. Re-solve, which means, if it comes up again, it's already been solved, it's re-solved. Re-solve, which means, if it comes up again, it's already been solved, it's re-solved, it's solved already, right. So if I have a situation in my life and it comes up again in my life, if I've already committed to a resolve around it, I don't have to worry about it anymore. Why are we still talking about this? It's already resolved. I already know my policy.
Speaker 3:I already know how I'm gonna deal with that yeah, well, and in order for you to get to that point, you would have had to have put time and effort to have that which in the future, will save you an enormous amount of time and effort.
Speaker 1:So you had to put an initial time and effort to understand that in order to reduce future potential time and efforts in similar situations right, right and this, and, and just as a as a little side rail here, when you, when you're looking at the components of something, the greatest component that you have, the greatest resource that you have, the greatest resource that you have by far is yourself. It isn't flour, it isn't sugar, it isn't water, it isn't eggs, it is yourself, because and boy, we've covered this I don't know how many times, but it bears repeating that is beingness. You need to be your greatest resource and I highly recommend um. It's one of the coen brothers films. It's called burn.
Speaker 1:After reading, it's got brad pitt and george clooney in it and, uh, uh, the cast is just spectacular and it's it's, it's basically it really comes down to. There's misinformation that is given and the CIA has a guy that works for him I forget the actor's name and he gets fired from the CIA for the wrong reasons, and then hilarity ensues and all of these people have their own desires and their own agendas and they all get crossed over and at the end of the movie, after all is said and done, the guys are in the CIA office and I forget what the guy's name the actor who played Jonah Jameson in the original Spider-Man is the head officer and he's like what are we learning from all of this?
Speaker 1:And the agent that's on the case goes shit. If I know, after two hours of watching all this, this person is dead. That other person has gotten their facelift that they wanted and they got it out of the CIA because they just wanted to shut her up, and they don't know what in the hell this train wreck was that happened. What do we learn from all of this? Those are all of these cycles of action that you choose the wrong people, you choose the wrong clients, you choose the wrong this, and you have all these extra extra thousands and thousands and thousands of cycles of action. At the end you go well, what did we get out of this? Well, those are those counter efforts. And that brings us to axiom 117.
Speaker 1:The components of self-determinism are affinity, communication and reality. Arc, which equals understanding. Self-determinism is manifested along each dynamic. Along each dynamic. Now, this is where this comes in. Even better, at 118, an organism cannot become aberrated unless it has agreed upon that aberration, has been in communication with a source of aberration burn after reading is a prime example of that and has had affinity for the aberrator.
Speaker 2:So if Look Quentin that and has had affinity for the aberrator, so if look, look quentin go ahead, keep talking, keep talking because I will say something.
Speaker 1:Okay. 119 agreement with any source, contra or pro survival. So contra survival or pro survival postulates a new reality for the organism.
Speaker 3:It doesn't discriminate. It's weighing good or bad, it doesn't care Right.
Speaker 1:And 120 non-survival courses. Thoughts and actions would require non-optimum effort.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, it's so interesting because this is such an amazing, amazing spiritual journey, because it's like you get to a place where you start to see it all just make sense and it all just come together. And the way LRH breaks down the axioms and understanding certain things, like it just clicks. Think about this so in order for one to be aberrated, one must agree to be aberrated on that thing, right? Am I saying that correctly? That's right, okay. And then because I'm not looking at it, but I'm just trying to remember what you said and then it says that in order to be aberrated, one has to have a source of aberration, affinity beyond communication with a source of aberration, and then have to have some kind of affinity for that aberrative source. Y'all know, y'all know me.
Speaker 2:I tell people I like who like me, I like who like me. If you don't like who like me, I like who like me. If you don't like me, no more, I don't like you, no more, my affinity is completely. I suck it back, I suck it, I suck it in, because as soon as I start getting the fact that you don't All right, as soon as I start getting the thought that you don't like me, you immediately become an aberrative source. You immediately suck it up. I got my affinity back Because I'm not going to be going crazy because of you, trust and believe. If I go crazy because of me, that's on me, that's my own stuff. But if I go crazy because of you, that's on you. What they say. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. That's my own stuff. But if I go crazy because of you that's on you what they say.
Speaker 2:fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me right? Yeah, no, sir, re, bob, and so, and so I I think this, I think is really important and even you said it too, art that the agreement don't care whether it's a pro-survival or country survival agreement. As soon as you, as soon as you go to agreement with that thing or that person or that scenario or that function or whatever, as soon as you go into agreement about it, that then becomes a potential source of aberration, and so you got to be very mindful of what you put your attention and what you put your agreements on. I don't agree to be crazy because of you. I don't agree to be crazy because of you. I don't agree to be crazy because of you, no.
Speaker 3:Well, how many times do you make a decision that you think is a great decision and then it turns out really bad, really really bad, right how?
Speaker 1:often does that happen? And that comes to Axiom 121, which is the next one.
Speaker 3:Every thought has been preceded by physical action every thought has been preceded by physical action, right? So so does that mean the input like? There's some information required in order for you to make future decisions. So something has to occur before you can make a future decision right because you think well, wait a minute.
Speaker 1:The last time I ordered tennis shoes I got a hundred cases of shoes I couldn't do anything with. They wouldn't sell and nobody wanted. I can't even sell them at cost and make my money back.
Speaker 3:So at that point you could stop buying tennis shoes or reframe it and get the tennis shoes you're actually after.
Speaker 1:Right Now. The point of this is in the Dianetic Axioms is from the viewpoint of you've painted yourself into a corner because I did that. I was wrong and grim, okay, and you had 100 squares on the floor and you painted one square blue on the floor and after a while, you've painted 98 squares on the floor. The floor is wet and now you're in the corner and you don't know which way to go, because I can't do this. That was an engram, I can't do this. That was an engram, I can't do this.
Speaker 1:So you get into these unusual solutions in order to achieve a particular result, which means squillions of extra cycles of action in order to get something done, because it's a dangerous environment. What have you? And now you're like, okay, okay. So auditing, which is what we do. Auditing gets you to change your mind about these things that you made a postulate on at the bottom of an Ngram chain. I can't do this anymore. I can't do this business anymore because it was so painful, it was agonizing. I lost all the money that I put on credit to get this business off the ground. 75% of all businesses failed in the first two years, as an example. But again, it's not about money, but if you look at this on the tapestry of life, it's all the same way. Go ahead, arthur.
Speaker 3:At that kind of point, because I'm kind of stuck on the painting yourself into a square, because I'm kind of stuck on the painting yourself into a square, then you could start making really far out decisions and really altering your own dynamic and your own situation. In a situation like that, like using the tiles as an example you might say to yourself geez, I wish I could fly, geez, I wish I had a better way out. You might start altering the reality you're in as well, altering your situations. Um, making really really poor decisions exactly, or making really really poor fantasies that are not going to help you at all.
Speaker 1:That's and that's a that's a really good point too. Like we said and I know it don't know, it was a couple of podcasts ago. I'll just win the lottery.
Speaker 3:Yes, it's a fantasy. It has a chance, it has a possibility, but the possibility is minute Right.
Speaker 1:And so that's a no solution. But you, you, you do this in life and you might, out of that, a hundred squares in the room, you might have two or three that haven't been painted, and it's like jumping on rocks across a river. I can't make that jump from one rock to the other. How do I get to the other side? Because you're boxed in by all of these considerations to where you have to go way out of your way. Well, I'll just start another business. I can't start my own coffeehouse business because this, this, this, this and this, I failed on these things, which is every thought, has been preceded by physical action. Now, 122 dianetic axioms. The mind does with thought as it has done with entities in the physical universe. That comes down to that, comes down to the people you choose to have in your life. What's their tone level? Were they aberrative, were they pro survival? That includes yourself as well. Go ahead.
Speaker 3:Arthur. What's the saying? You're the sum of the five people closest to you.
Speaker 1:Yep. So that comes down to people that are surpassing you and say, oh, you can never be a writer, or you can never be a rap star, or you don't have what it takes to be a rap star, or you this star, or you know you don't have what it takes to be a rap star or you this and, and that goes down to that agreement which causes you to come up with well, I can't do this because so-and-so said I can't do this, but that's because you chose to be around that person which makes you do these unusual solutions.
Speaker 1:Well, I'll just go work for peanuts and earn a meager living and I never, ever, get to achieve my, my postulates because I bought into the agreement of other people's postulates of what they thought I could do. You buy into the lie. The altar is.
Speaker 2:And that's why yeah.
Speaker 1:So, so axiom 123, all effort is concerned excuse me, all effort concerned with law is concerned with loss. Organisms hold pain and engrams to them as a latent effort to prevent loss of some portion of the organism. That's all those boxes that you painted on the floor. All loss is a loss of motion. I can't do this. I can't do this.
Speaker 3:That's the loss of motion.
Speaker 1:Stuck, stuck, stuck.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 1:Stuck, stuck, stuck, stuck, stuck. So lastly, and then we'll step away from the axioms, the amount of counter effort, axiom 124, the amount of counter effort the organism can overcome and this is the point of this podcast is proportional to the theta endowment of the organism, modified by the physique of that organism. Excessive counter-effort, too much pushback from terminals and the physical universe, for example, excessive counter-effort to the effort of a life organism, produces unconsciousness.
Speaker 3:Unconsciousness Could we say in a simpler way that there's a lot of misunderstanding going on, a lot of misunderstoods. Well, in order for the prepare to propel itself forward, right in the background from its past experiences is an enormous amount of misunderstood yeah, and it says the corollary, unconsciousness, gives the suppression of an organism's control center by counter effort.
Speaker 1:So unusual solutions equals lots and lots and lots of you're doing too much.
Speaker 2:Unusual solutions equals lots and lots of you doing too much.
Speaker 3:Could you say that once more, please?
Speaker 1:Unusual solutions based off of the suppression that you're receiving. Excessive counter-effort to the effort of a life organism you and your body, you plus your body produces unconsciousness. Therefore, you're unaware of all of these unusual solutions that you're doing. Unconsciousness gives the suppression of an organism's control center by counter-effort. Therefore, you're not making the right decisions, the right postulates, the right policy, because you're on your own and you never got an owner's manual to know what you needed to do. And that owner's manual is auditing and training.
Speaker 2:Well, and and you feel it, and when one can feel it in their body, they can feel it in their nervous system, they can feel it in their life where it's like it. And when he says unconsciousness here, it doesn't necessarily mean that you black out all the time. Some people might not black out, but they might. They might go into a valence, they might go into something else where it's like wait, who are you, who am I dealing with here? And so the person whom you love, they get hit. They've been hit with so much excessive counter effort in their life that it produces unconsciousness in this person. And when that stuff gets turned on, when that unconsciousness hits, they go into a whole other valence and the person starts acting weird. Like what is up with you, that's right. Like what is this?
Speaker 2:And that's an excellent point Go ahead, right, and then what ends up happening is that you're now not dealing with the individual, but you're dealing with what they think is a solution to this counter effort. So we get into an argument, we get into an argument, and this person becomes a raging maniac, right, raging maniac. And you were like, hold on a second, who do you think you're talking to? You know? And so you get into this whole thing, but it's like they think they're winning. They think that that's the solution to this camera, to this kind of effort. Right, and it's not. It's an unusual solution.
Speaker 2:You went crazy for a second, but that ain't the solution to this. You know, we do the same thing with alcohol, we do the same thing with drugs, we do the same thing with sex, we do the same thing with overeating. We think that's a solution to what you're feeling, but it's not Right and so, so, so. So when we talk about you doing too much, this is a catch all kind of phrase and we kind of say that like, well, you know, ha ha, ha. But the truth of the matter is, when you look around life, people are doing too much. They're just doing too much. It's way too much for you to have to go through all these mechanisms and mechanizations trying to get happy when there's a way that could make an efficient way go back to that word efficient, it's one of our favorite words an efficient way to produce happiness in your experience, if you were willing to put in that solution, to put that solution into play.
Speaker 2:And so I just think it's such an interesting way to look at it that we started this thing talking about lamb chops and crab legs. But it's like but I hearken back to where do you find the simplest of pleasures? Where do you find the simplest of solutions, of answers in your life? Is it about real answers? Is it, you know, drugging yourself into a stupor and you can no longer function properly? Or is it sitting down and really dealing with some of this counter effort that you've experienced in your past, that's painted you into this box that you now have to do all these weird things in order to try to get out of it? No, let's put some stuff in place that's going to really work.
Speaker 1:Right, and that's that's that's putting order into disorder, whether it's a business, whether it's your, your, your case, your reactive mind, uh, it's your case, your reactive mind, the composite case on the OT levels, and handling that and dealing with all of those counter efforts that produce unconsciousness.
Speaker 1:And it could be said that unconsciousness is a reduction of awareness, like we were talking about in the podcast the other day, as far as overthinking and just knowing in the podcast the other day, as far as overthinking and just knowing.
Speaker 1:And the way to do that is through processing and retrieving, recovering.
Speaker 1:Let's say, you have a hundred attention units uh, that's, that's, that's just from the viewpoint of like a hundred percent and before, before you're born, and you might possess 75 attention units and 25 are all of the stuff that's in your reactive mind, your case, and all that stuff, if you're lucky, the composite being, the genetic entities that are running your body, the suppression you've received, that you've stored as facsimiles in the reactive mind, in your case that tell you thou shalt not do this again, because, at the end of the day, what the reactive mind is doing is it's a policy recorder, but it always records the negative policies and says, okay, I won't do this.
Speaker 1:I won't do that. I can't do this. I shall be this, like Quentin said, where you're taking on somebody else's valence, their behavior, the way they go about things, and you're using that to ultimately solve a problem, and that problem is always ultimately survival. Yes, so if you're doing that and you're being somebody else, and to the degree that you're happy which also comes to Arthur and Quentin's point to the degree that you're happy is to the degree that your ethics are in and it could be said go ahead.
Speaker 1:Finish what you said said go ahead, no finish what you're saying, yeah, yeah, keep going To the degree it could be said that to the degree that you are being yourself, body, however many times, or along the whole track, or whatever and you had to just throw something on the wall and see what stuck, and then that didn't work, so you decided to be somebody else. So you're, if you're keeping your, you know that being yourself is the solution to handling counter efforts, as opposed to being somebody else. Now you're at a point where, okay, you're unhappy and you're going to do thousands, and I mean millions, of cycles of action in this allotment of 75, 90 years or whatever that you didn't have to do, and you're going to get to the end of it and go. What did we learn from all this?
Speaker 3:well, even even at the moment, while I'm doing the proteas course, like I'm on a section where I've got to do nine clay demos in a row. I mean, john, how many of how many of those have I been stuck on four or five times?
Speaker 1:oh, before I've, before I'm almost yeah, almost almost all of them, and and so that and that's a that's a great analogy is, if you understand something, you can put it into a clay demo, and and then I go go ahead.
Speaker 3:Yep, and that's that's where it's been interesting, because it's made me realize if I can't put it into clay, then I'm misunderstanding. I still have misunderstood around it, right and and initially I've gone through different phases of emotions. No, the first one is you know, screw this I want to go have a coffee and a cigarette.
Speaker 2:This can wait this is too much effort.
Speaker 3:Well, and it's. It's the nature of the misunderstood, isn't it? It's like, oh my god, this is too hard. But then that? Then there's the other part as well. It's like, okay, what am I doing wrong? And then going, going back over the data, going back over what is the intention for this particular clay demo? Um, and then it's like, oh, okay, I missed that. Oh, I missed that as well. Oh, I also missed that.
Speaker 1:And then the clay demo reveals itself right, because now you understand it and you know what you need to do in order to present that thing, and and that's right. And how is that? As you look back over the materials and you look, and you know, you send me the pictures and I go well, I'm not seeing this in the clay. And at your end you're probably to a certain degree going you know, fuck that guy, he doesn't see it, I see it right there.
Speaker 3:I've never thought that, John.
Speaker 1:And that's the same way with the universe, with the physical universe and the acts of the laws.
Speaker 1:Yeah, is you're like, well, you know, screw that I'm not going to do that because this, this is just too hard. And instead of finishing that clay demo in the physical universe whether it's a clay demo or it's something in your life you're going to go to this unusual solution instead, and and then you try again, and you try again. I don't see it in the clay, arthur, I don't see it in the clay. Show me this, show me. And then you finally go bingo. And now you've got it. Yes, same thing applies what's interesting.
Speaker 3:But what's interesting? The end phenomena that occurs with that. Now it becomes no wing to the core, wordless, yeah, wordless. It becomes like, like the axiom talking about, um, you know, changing your cells. My cells have changed with that end phenomena. I cannot be the same, once I've reached that point, producing a clay demonstration because it's to the cell, which means in future, which means in future as well around my, because I mean the proteas is all about communication and it's a very, it's a very big course just based on communication. Like, how can I not now apply what I know? It's impossible to not apply? It's it's impossible for me to not communicate the same way I did before.
Speaker 1:You have a conceptual understanding.
Speaker 2:And that effort that it took you and this happens when we work out our bodies or do whatever, the effort that it took you to get to that goal, to that win it now is integrated into the organism, right? It's, like you said, cellular level, like I know that, I know that, I know that, I know, and you think with it, you think along these lines on a continual basis, and so that's the beauty of training, that's the beauty of going on to the college and signing up for a course and doing the steps that LRA's laid out. That's the beauty of auditing that you take all the counter effort of your life and you face it and you deal with it and then you integrate it and then you think beyond it to a point where now it's like that no longer affects you and you can live a happy life because of that. It's such a beautiful, simple, efficient way of being. I love it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's incredible and it does take a little bit of time now to save an enormous amount of time later, because without going through this process, nothing in me would change. Yeah. Yeah, and that's the I'd still be I'd be producing the same cells. I'd be stuck with the same misunderstoods. I'd still be. I'd be producing the same cells. I'd be stuck with the same misunderstoods. I'd still be Arthur yesterday as opposed to Arthur today. Right.
Speaker 1:Right. So that's the whole point of this podcast is you could be doing a lot less in order to get a lot further, working smarter, not harder, if you choose the right data to work with, and you choose, and that that data the, the, the, what you get from auditing, what you get from training, and this isn't, this isn't just, uh, proprietary to scientology concepts, but it, it covers everything in your life. That's's the point is, if you understand these basics and you can apply them to your existence across your eight dynamics, those different areas of life you yourself, your relationship, your sexual relationship, your group, the planet at large, animals and plants, the physical universe, all that stuff it carries over, and so you have a lot less counter effort to what it is that you're doing in the future. Postulates that you make and you've changed your mind about I can't do this, I can't do this, oh, I could never do that, I could never talk to this person, and so now you multiply the amount of cycles of action that you have to do and you spend so much time doing things you don't have to, and you can be happy if you're being yourself.
Speaker 1:So I hope this has gotten across to our listeners and we really tried to reduce it down to its building blocks, which can be a little tricky to understand, but we've tried to analogize it as much as we can for our listeners and take this information, look at the Dianetic axioms, look at the Scientology axioms and get on course, get in session and start saving yourself a tremendous amount of time so that you can be productive, thus be happy being yourself and you can help others along the way. So for question, arthur and myself, namaste, and we love you, bye, bye, peace, peace, thank you.
Speaker 2:Thank you. Thanks for watching.