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SE11EP22 - Freedom is Blocked by Fixed Ideas
What invisible barriers are keeping you from reaching your true potential? Fixed ideas - those stubborn, unexamined beliefs that "appear normal and reasonable" - might be the most significant obstacles standing between you and your goals.
In this thought-provoking exploration, we dig deep into how these mental constructs operate beneath our awareness, actively blocking our ability to perceive contrary evidence. From racial prejudice to limiting financial beliefs, fixed ideas shape our reality in ways we rarely recognize until they're exposed through careful inspection.
The danger lies in how these ideas transform into ideals - elevating potentially harmful concepts into aspirational frameworks we passionately defend despite contradictory evidence. "A fixed idea can become an ideal... It is probably the wrong ideal... the ideal is irrational," as L. Ron Hubbard explains in his policy letter on the subject.
We share powerful success stories from those who've broken through their mental barriers, including a remarkable transformation from L11 processing: "I was withholding myself from doing what I am extremely good at all because of what some insane people with insane considerations said to make me stop." This testimony demonstrates how liberating it can be to identify and release the fixed ideas limiting your potential.
Self-determinism emerges as a crucial factor in successfully moving beyond fixed ideas. When we make self-determined choices rather than being forced to confront uncomfortable truths, we experience positive growth rather than rejection of entire belief systems. The first step is recognizing that "I can't" usually means "I won't" - a fixed idea masquerading as an impossibility.
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All right, welcome to another Scientology Outside of the Church podcast brought to you by ao-gporg and the collegeofindependentscientologycom. This is season 11, episode 21, and this one is going to be on fixed ideas. We haven't talked about the actual title yet, but that's the subject of it. I'm here with Quentin Stroud and Arthur Mudakis and we're going to dive right in and dissect the ID fixe as LRH describes in the policy letter describing such. How are you guys Fantastic?
Speaker 2:You, Arthur. I have my markup on me Doing good. Okay, good.
Speaker 1:So a fixed idea is something accepted without personal inspection or agreement that blocks the existence of any contrary observation. Everybody has one, probably a lot of them, especially in this day and age with the advent of the internet and such uh. So this is something that gets in the way of a person getting somewhere in life, getting somewhere in auditing, getting somewhere in training or just plain old getting somewhere at all because the fruits of their observation are cut off. So what would be a really good example of a fixed idea for a person? Either one of you.
Speaker 3:I mean coming from where I'm from. I think that you know racism. Racism is a good idea of a fixed idea that people have that you know a certain people or a certain group of people are, you know, inferior or have a certain fixed idea about those people that they may hold.
Speaker 1:Right, like well, let's say and I'm not picking out any particular occupation or something like that but it could be that some policemen have a fixed idea, if the occupant of a car is of the African-American persuasion, that certain things might be the case.
Speaker 3:Something might be suspect about it. Right, we call it driving while black Right.
Speaker 1:Right and it's happened to the best of people. So a fixed idea how do you handle somebody who has a fixed idea? And what's the problem of having a fixed idea? You look like you might have had something you wanted to say, or you're checking some references.
Speaker 3:Fixed idea you look like you might it might have had something you wanted to say, or you checking some references, well, well, I I think also, too, that we're looking at why fixed ideas kind of get stuck in, right, like going back to like what, what makes a fixed idea stick?
Speaker 3:And when you look at people, when you look at us, um, trying to live life and trying to, you know, create our own ideal scene, whatever that means for you, you know we come up with these fixed ideas as it relates to how to make my life better, or how to make the world better, or how to you know, whatever, whatever, and it really, if you really think about it, it actually.
Speaker 3:This is why Ellery says that you know, we are basically good, we actually really want a better life, a better experience. But it gets aberrated to a point where it's like but I have to have this in order to be better, and it has to be this way in order to feel great, you know, and to be right, and so it actually comes from this idea, like I want an ideal scene, and so not to invalidate anybody's fixed ideas, right, but to recognize that I see what you're trying to accomplish here, but let's keep taking a look and let's observe what's actually there, versus just looking at your fixed idea as the way right, and a lot of it would be based on your survival needs as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then it's also limited to your own knowledge in a sense as well.
Speaker 3:So, for example, like I can change the brakes on my car, but I can't fix an engine because my knowledge around that is limited, yeah for sure, for sure, 19 May 1970, he says that the reason a fixed idea can get so rooted and so overlooked is that it appears normal and reasonable. So, to the person that has the fixed idea, it appears normal and reasonable to them. Can't you see that all these people are this? Can't you see that? It's always that you know, and somebody and somebody, or a lot of somebodies want to believe it. Thus a fixed idea can become an ideal. It is probably the wrong ideal, you know? Uh, he gives some examples of whatever, but it's probably the wrong idea because they're both. Both cases. The ideal is irrational. You see, the idea that you create there is an irrational ideal and while you think it might help you survive better, it actually is so fixed that you're actually not looking at reality or truth.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think go ahead, arthur. Would it be safe to say then go ahead.
Speaker 2:Would it be safe to say then, sorry. Would it be safe to say then, like, say, with technology, the way it is now, and how many, so many fixed ideas are being pushed out there is the level of believable? Uh, is the level of how believable they are can become a fixed idea, even if they're if they're not true without further investigation? So the fact that they're so believable could make it a fixed idea.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, I'll meet her dogs right, yes, and then I think that comes down to the datum in the data series policy letters, uh, that are on the data evaluators course on the collegeofindependentscientologycom a little shameless plug. There is reliable source. Where are you getting your information from, is it? And yes, folks, I'm going to bring it up in this podcast again Is it part of the CDEI scale Enforced?
Speaker 1:Is somebody enforcing information on you, like a parent, a significant other, a brother or sister or a church, that the fixed idea is this and so reliable source comes down to what we have on the student hat, as far as if it isn't written, it isn't true. And did the person that authored it have the clout, have the responsibility, have the knowingness, the capability, the education and that's a huge subject there because they're only as knowledgeable as the source that they use to get that information from that they're now passing on to you. Or maybe they created something from false information that they had and LRH talks about that in that same reference that you cited that there are a lot of idiots on the time track who didn't know what they were talking about. That gave off fixed ideas.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 1:So you know one, and that comes down to one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist as well, because it's a matter of viewpoint and it's a matter of reliable source. Well, as well, because it's a matter of viewpoint and it's a matter of reliable source, while the quran says this, the bible says this and my god's gonna kick your god's ass, and so if you call my big brother, that's right, I'm gonna call my big brother and, uh, we're gonna send a bunch of knights over there and we're gonna to convert you or we're going to kill you. You decide what you want to do. That is a fixed idea that my religion is better than your religion, my God is better than your God, so on and so forth. That's reliable source.
Speaker 1:That comes down to false data. Where did you get this false data? That you ran into something and you said I'm having problems with love. It's just not working out for me, and I don't love my children, and I don't love my family, and I don't love that and all that. Okay, so what is it you can't think about with love? That is this fixed idea. It is quite literally what he says. As far as you're trying to find out the information of how they're right, what is it you're operating off of, and then go from there and try and get them to explain that, because if you approach it from a viewpoint of how wrong you are, well then you get the Crusades.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1:Quite literally, it comes down to that. And if you look at modern-day situations like what's going on with Russia and why do I always forget the name of the country what's the other country that Russia is in Ukraine?
Speaker 2:Ukraine.
Speaker 1:Right Right, always forget the name of the country. What's the other country? The ukraine, ukraine, right right, that russia's looking at it as okay, you guys used to be a part of russia, so you're still russia. So we, we, we want our land back. And ukraine is saying no, no, no, there was an agreement. We, we, yeah, we're going to defend it and I don't I don't want to use the word one w-o-n but we won it fair and square, and this was the agreement. You can't have it back. No backseats. So the the fixed idea is based off of prior, prior agreements that somebody made that either were true or false, and this comes down to almost everything that you see that people Go ahead. I see you just had something.
Speaker 3:No finish your thought.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it comes down to everything that people believe to be true and they said oh well, this is what it is. I'm going to put this here so that I don't have to observe the actuality, the real is-ness, the way that it is. I put this patch over it and I put the iron on it, and now it's affixed to my jean jacket as a thetan. Okay, this is how I operate. Is all? Black people are dangerous. Ukraine belongs to Russia. Everybody needs to do drugs, because that's what fixes things. These are all fixed ideas, right.
Speaker 3:Right, yeah, you know, it's interesting because and as I already said it before is that this idea, this fixed idea, can take on and become an ideal that somebody holds true to.
Speaker 3:An ideal is like a purpose, right. And he said, a rational ideal has this law the purpose of the activity must be part of the ideal one has for that activity. And so, if you think about it, what is your purpose here? What are you trying to accomplish? And anytime somebody offers anything as really a fixed idea, that's the question that you want to ask what's the purpose of that? What are you trying to accomplish by saying that or by having that as your fixed idea? And again, you're not invalidating what they're saying, you're really trying to understand. What purpose are you trying to accomplish with that? Right? He said, if the ideal is one that forwards the purpose, it will pass for sane. And so if the purpose is, you know, white nationalism, if that's the purpose, then the ideal of you know this group of people or these people don't need to be here, they'll go back to your country or whatever. That ideal sounds sane to some people, right? If they have the purpose of white nationalism, right. And so, when you look at it from that perspective. These fixed ideas, these are things that that really have at the back of them a larger purpose that one needs to root out to get to it says there. He says there are many factors which add up to an ideal scene. If the majority of these for the purpose of the activity, it can be said to be a sane ideal. If an ideal which does not for the activity in any way is the ideal being stressed, then a fixed idea is present and had better be inspected. And so when you understand what are you really trying to accomplish here? If you're trying to accomplish an ideal scene, you got to ask the question what is that idea say for you? What do you really think is ideal? You see what I'm saying and that will then expose who you're talking to and what you're really trying to get to.
Speaker 3:The bottom of Growing up in Alabama, people have some fixed ideas and they have some ways of thinking that America should be and life should be. You know what I'm saying and where I should be in that whole scene too. You know, and my people, and so these things are really, really important that when we're looking at people's do their fixed ideas about life, about happiness, about money? What are you trying to accomplish here? If you're trying to accomplish prosperity, if that's your purpose, then a fixed idea that money is hard to come by, that needs to be inspected, brother Right, that needs to be inspected because that's not forwarding your activity in any way towards your ideal, scene Right. And if that idea is being stressed, then it's a fixed idea and it needs to be expected.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a place, it's a placeholder and in many situations, a fixed idea is a computation.
Speaker 1:That and what a computation is, is this uh uh idea that doesn't make any sense and is part of, if not a service facsimile, which is handled on grade four, on the lower end of the bridge beneath clear, is a service facsimile is something that a person uses wait for it to make themselves right and other people wrong.
Speaker 1:So if you're, if you're using this computation as a fixed idea, which is in a lot of cases, I mean if you want to take it to the fourth dynamic well, the only way to to solve problems on a geopolitical scale is to blow the other guy up before he blows you up, or starve them or kill them off. I mean, you know Israel and Palestine, for example, and what's going on there, and say how in the world can you justify that sort of a thing when you're and I'm not taking sides here, but I'm just saying, if you look at it from an external viewpoint are you not doing the same thing to the Palestinians that the Germans did to you, which caused you to have the state of Israel in the first place? I mean you can't see that.
Speaker 3:Sounds like a valence shift to me.
Speaker 1:Sounds like a big old valence shift, like Ellarate says that the person, when they're such a potential trouble source that they eventually snap in and become the suppressive. Remember, we've said in these other podcasts about a goals, problems, mass, who or what would oppose A, and then eventually it becomes if you can't beat them, join them, so okay. So we will take the stance that it's okay to do something to a group of people that live on a piece of real estate that have a, and again we come right back to have a different religious ideal scene than what Israel has, than what Israel has, and they just happen to not have the financial or military might, at least locally, that the Israeli government has. And so that is a prime example of a service, service facsimile and a computation and a fixed idea, horrifically. So you go back to Nazi Germany.
Speaker 1:You look at what's going on in the United States with the military in Washington DC and you start to pull strings on this, and you find out in Washington DC that crime is at a historical low in the District of Columbia, but yet it's being said we have to have, and supposedly it's part of a law that was created in 1973 that this is being able to happen at all in Washington DC. But there's also the Posse Comitatus Act that says you will not use military force on American citizens, us military force on American citizens. This is a scary proposition and it's a fixed idea that you have to do these things in order to put order in, and then you get down to that. For anything to persist, there's a lie behind it, which we covered in a prior podcast not too long ago, so all of these things are intertwined with each other, and then you come back to reliable source to kind of right zoom back out what what's the reliable source for the fixed idea.
Speaker 3:Where did you get this information? Without insanity, without criminals and without war, where the able can prosper and honest beings can have rights and where man is free to rise to greater heights. And so we kind of come to this place where it's like isn't there something that works for humanity, isn't there something that works for us? A civilization without insanity, without criminals, without war? No-transcript. As independent Scientologists, do you understand that there's a bigger purpose here, and what purpose are we trying to get to, and what activities do we advocate for and do we talk about that move forward toward that purpose? That's what we're doing All right sir.
Speaker 2:Do you have something you want to say? I'm still still working this out in my mind because there's so many components attached to this, which makes it really interesting. Because the thing that kind of gets me it's like okay, what is what is a true source? Um, because even that could become questionable as well. And so how does one make up their own mind healthily towards a fixed idea? Because, like, let's say, for example, um, I don't know, let's say, with the relationship dynamic.
Speaker 2:You know, there's like so much talk about narcissism and all these kinds of things going on at the moment. And then in Scientology you have certain processes, in independent Scientology you have certain processes to break these things down, to create an understanding in a healthy way. But then you know, out there online there's so many sources of information. How do you choose the correct ones? How do you know? You know, like we hear about russia and ukraine, but we only know what we're told. So how do you find a better source of information to know what's actually going on? You see what I'm saying like there's just so many things out there. Even just exploring a healthy source can be depressing in its own way as well, because it can become overwhelming and send you down other avenues that you normally would have ventured into. Um, just trying to get an answer, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:You can become overstimulated just trying to find what's what's true right and to remove a fixed and that makes it really difficult and that's part of the reason why auditing works the way that it works is, you know, we've said in many podcasts that LRH points out, the hardest thing to spot is a missingness. So if you knew it was wrong with you, it wouldn't be wrong with you. Well, that's on the first dynamic, and a lot of the examples we're giving are on the third dynamic or the fourth dynamic specifically. So you have these blind spots and you don't know what you don't know. So how can you address it?
Speaker 2:And you have to find out, like Quentin was saying and this goes back to the data series policy letters of what is the ideal scene well, I'm gonna, I'm gonna contradict everything I just said, um, with what I'm about to say, because, from my experiences as well, there is an ultimate inner knowing within us all, and I think that ultimate inner knowing is where the truth actually comes from. And so, for example, like a fixed idea to me that I think we all have is like the round earth, flat earth kind of thing. Right, nobody, nobody can wholeheartedly say it's flat or round. Right now. That's information, that's been. They're fixed ideas and they're two very opposing fixed ideas.
Speaker 2:But I only know the earth from one perspective. Wherever I'm standing on the earth, you know what I mean, and so my truth is I'm just here. That's, that's my, that's my truth. At the end of it, I don't know if it's round, I don't know if it's flat and and this is kind of my point like inside of us and as you said, through auditing, there is a higher divinity, a higher knowing, a higher understanding and a higher truth that searching by the internet or through books you probably won't find. There's another force at play that will bring you to that place of knowing. And I don't think you'll be able to find it completely through somebody else's words or somebody else's ideas, because when we read information, that's all it is Somebody else's idea. I can put an idea out there on what relationship dynamics are according to me, and 10 million people might believe that and see that as truth, but that's merely my perspective. It's not true. It's true for me, but it's not true well, because you haven.
Speaker 1:You're not in space looking at a big blue, green, brown ball and I say this in conversations with people a lot. I can neither confirm or deny what I'm about to say. I know what I know and what I believe to be true, and I could be right or I could be wrong, but I cannot confirm or deny, for example and this has to do with planetary stuff as well that there are 3,000 plus long mile dust storms that occur on Mars, and yet the contrary fact, which is part of the data series, outpoints the contrary fact, which is part of the data series, outpoints. The contrary fact is how can you have a dust storm on a planet that doesn't have an oxygenated atmosphere?
Speaker 2:you can't so, so I'm going to ask you a question right now. That's what you've heard and that's what you've observed through your sources of information. Right, let me ask you a question have you been on mars? Not recently have you witnessed this yourself?
Speaker 1:last time. Last time I was on mars, it had an atmosphere last time I checked last time I checked and, and I looked over my shoulder and took a breath, it had an atmosphere which was a long time ago. I can say that now you know from meteorological inner knowing yeah, that's the divinity. Exactly that's from my inner knowing.
Speaker 2:From what NASA told you. That's not what from the internet told you Right. That's not what, from a scientist who leaked secret information, told you.
Speaker 1:Right, and I'm using that as an example because, as a meteorology major in the last oh, I don't know in the late 80s, when I was in college, it was explained to me this is how you have dust storms. You can't have a gust of wind without two different areas of high and low pressure that create that pressure gradient. There has to be something there to be pressed, whatever the atmosphere is composed of, that creates this thing that we call wind. It's a pressure gradient, it's like a an atmosphere speed yeah, it's an atmosphere tsunami of sorts that this it's.
Speaker 1:It's being pushed from an upper level to a lower level or lower level to a higher level of elevation, and that includes literal geographic elevation as well like if you're on the edge of the grand canyon and you're standing there looking at it, marveling at the site, you'll get a gust of wind that comes up out of the grand canyon one day, and then you'll get a gust of wind that comes from behind and the pine trees and the cabins and everything and about blows you over into the canyon on a different day, depending on the temperature and the weather situation. But again, again, that's on earth.
Speaker 2:So question of questions everything you just explained, is that a fixed idea?
Speaker 3:Well. So LRA kind of handled this right when he talks about in the data series. In the data series he talks about it. He says that there's a way that you can kind of come to awareness about a reliable source. And he says, you know, indicators are a part of it, like looking at a situation analysis, looking at indicators, looking at things that might be outpoints and stuff like that. But he says there's a step to this, and we're still talking about fixed ideas here, and we're talking about how might one, how might one combat, if you will, a fixed idea in one's own scene, right In one's own life. And he says so the first thing to do he said the correct sequence is this. I'm sorry, let me give it to you, this is coming from information collection, data series five policy letter. He says the correct sequence then is one have a normal information flow available, whatever the normal information flow available is. Number two observe. Now let me just build a caveat. If a person has a fixed idea remember he said earlier, if a person has a fixed idea, he's not observing the data, he's observing the fixed idea. Right, and so you got to be very careful with what happens here. But the first thing he says is have an information source.
Speaker 3:Number two observe. Number three when a bad indicator is seen, become very alert. What is that that don't agree that don't line up. Number four do a data analysis. Let me look at the data again. Let me look at this body of data again to make sure that what I'm looking at is accurate to what I'm trying to accomplish here. Number five do a situation analysis. Now you're not looking at the data, you're looking at the real world. You're looking at the real environment. Look at the situation. Number six obtain more data by direct inspection of the area, which is what we just heard Jonathan doing. Right? He was like talking about the windstorms and stuff. Right, he's looking at direct inspection of the area indicated by the situation analysis. And number seven is you handle? Right, the incorrect sequence would create double trouble, he says, if you do it incorrectly.
Speaker 3:So when we're talking about trying to get through these fixed ideas and we're talking about trying to come up with your own ideal scene and trying to do things in a certain way that makes sense for you, take a use of these steps. Make use of these steps. Look at the information that you have. Observe, look at any bad indicators that don't line up with what you say you're trying to accomplish, if you're trying to accomplish world peace. But then the next thing you say is and we just allocated $16 trillion towards our military budget to blow up more countries? Like something ain't right somewhere, you understand. And then you go back through all these steps. What ends up happening is one then starts to get some clarity on how to handle fixed ideas. Number seven handle these fixed ideas.
Speaker 3:If you're trying to be wealthy or prosperous in your life and wealthy is relative if you're trying to be prosperous, which means having exactly what you need when you need it, if you're trying to be prosperous in your life and you have some fixed ideas about money and how to get money, well, you got to work hard too. You can't, you know, you can't just sit on your bum and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, you know, if you have these fixed ideas about it, well, let's take a look. Right, I was talking to a lady and we were just talking about trying to make some, you know, money moves and investing and stuff like that, and she stood up. It was the middle of a meeting. She stood up and she said well, I don't know about what y'all y'all doing, but what she say? I want a fixed income. That's what she said. I don't know about what y'all doing, but I want a fixed income. And I said, well, who fixed it? I?
Speaker 1:said what definition of fixed are you using?
Speaker 3:Right. I said who fixed it? And she said well, the government that you know. They give me my social security check. I get $255 a month from social security check or whatever, and there we have it. You're in a, you're in a meeting about prosperity and about investing and about wealth building and you come in with a fixed idea called a fixed income and then you want to come on, you get it. It doesn't even make sense. You come in here with a fixed idea called fixed income and then you want to stand up and be combative about investing you in the wrong conversation, baby. We need to put you into, we need to do a fishbowl with you and talk to you about how to unfix your income Crazy.
Speaker 1:Right, and I don't know the situation there or anything like that, but I would almost guarantee you, I would bet money on it, that there are other fixed ideas that are forcing her to be on a fixed income. How many times does this word fixed come up, you know? Uh, I, I don't. I, I don't have to pay taxes if I put myself in a position that fixes me, in a situation that causes me to have a fixed income.
Speaker 3:Right, you got to roll that back, oh my.
Speaker 2:God, it's insane. So that's how. What was that? Bono? Look, don't listen. What's that say?
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's what LRA says. Look, don't listen, that's right.
Speaker 2:Look, don't listen yeah.
Speaker 1:That's right and that comes down to and that's what it's all about in the data series is you can't go into an area without having the data of what the statistics are of a given situation, Because you can't figure out if it's never been figured out and this is more the case than it is not what an ideal scene is, until you look at the statistics and you go well, these are remarkably low. Well, I'm on a fixed income baby. That's why the stats are so low. Okay, so what is the ideal scene? Well, you're talking to Q about investment opportunities. So obviously we're dealing with contrary facts here. Right, you want to make more money, and that's the ideal scene is to make more money. But the departure from the ideal scene is you're on a fixed income.
Speaker 3:Right, that's a bad indicator.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a bad indicator. So you find out why. Well, I don't have to pay as many taxes if I'm on disability. How often do you see that in the United States? And well, don't even get me started about Australia. No offense on that I'm taken, I understand. No, no, no offense on that I'm taking, I understand. You know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1:and and and the laws in australia and all that stuff is people in the united states. They look at it as the ideal scene to be on disability and get a disability pension from the government. And that's what? $1,800 a month or something, Q, Something like that.
Speaker 1:Lower than that for some people, yeah, depending on what the situation is. So, is that your ideal scene? Because, see, that's the thing is. The fixed ideal is I don't have to work if I'm on disability. But the contrary facts to that are I can't afford that new PlayStation and that game I want on a fixed income.
Speaker 3:Or to drive a car.
Speaker 1:Or to drive a car. I took the bus Right, right. So those are all the departures from the ideal scene because of this fixed idea that the idea of faux F-A-U-X in French, which is false prosperity is I don't have to get a product, right, I just sit there and I just take a handout from the government because my gout is so bad I can't work. And a doctor signs off and says this person has gout, it's uncontrollable and therefore they don't have to work. And you give it to the government in the United States and they say okay, you're on disability. So that's not an ideal scene because of the fixed idea I shouldn't have to work, the government should take care of me.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'll tell you what broke that idea for me. It was an idea that I held, but when you see people who walk in with that idea, I had a lady who lived in London and she has spina bifida. She was born with spina bifida, with the spine outside your body or whatever, and so she could. Obviously she's had surgeries and stuff like that. She's a grown person now but she couldn't sit down in a chair like I'm sitting in right now. She could not sit down in a chair for long and she couldn't stand up for long, so she can lay down. And so she started a company on her floor, her computer.
Speaker 3:This was before she had a laptop, but the laptop was you know now the computer was better back in that time period the PCs, and so she had the PC sitting on the floor and the monitor and she would lay on the floor and type. She would type laying on the floor and started a whole company with spina bifida laying on the floor, making six figures a year. And so you can't tell me, your gout, better than a spine hanging out your body or whatever Like, or your anxiety is such that you can't work, like, listen, you could do this and and it's, it's a fixed idea that one may be holding and we'll, and and. With auditing, and with going in and taking a look look, don't listen but taking a look at this, you can really start to root out some things that can really be life changing.
Speaker 1:Right, and, and how that comes up. And this is is again an analogy. Is you, you? You tell somebody that they can do this and the first thing out of their mouth is, oh, I can't do that. Well, that, right there, there's your fixed idea. Oh, I can't do that. Okay, explain to me how that works, explain to me how right that is. Well, justify, justify, justify, reason, reason, reason, reason, reason. That's that's why I don't know this and I don't know that, and I can't do this.
Speaker 1:And I'm a, I'm a tall person, or I'm a short person, or I'm black or I'm white, or I'm this or I'm that, and so those are fixed ideas that you've put there because you do not want to inspect the area for what it is. It is an alter, is that's what a fixed idea is. I can't do that. That itself is a fixed idea. I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't. That itself is a fixed idea. I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't. And that's where this stuff starts, where this gal is making a six-figure income, laying on the floor and, like lrh says, make it go right data the solver, not theta the problem exactly I would.
Speaker 3:I want to. I want to read a success story from the L11. From L11. And there's a couple of parts to it, but it starts here. It says while running L11, so much charge blew off and I was able to really see me, I kid you not. From going exterior to taking a long, hard look at my own flows when it comes to business, religion, my dynamics, I was able to spot the considerations holding me back. The considerations holding me back when LRH says that we are big, powerful Thetans being held down by a piece of lint boy, do I get it now? I was withholding myself from doing what I am extremely good at All because of what some insane people with insane considerations said to make me stop. Well, not anymore, right, thank you, jonathan, for amazing TRs and keeping this tech working, no matter the barriers. And thanks LRH for showing us the way. It goes on to say a second win. It goes on to say a second wind. It says wow.
Speaker 3:I must say that to regain the awareness of one of my basic intentions is revolutionary for my life. It has been very important to me to step into my own intentions and my own goals. Yet I had been holding myself back for many, many years. What I thought was keeping me safe and under the radar was really me keeping me playing small to myself and those I intend to impact in my life. I haven't been honest with myself. It really hasn't been about anyone else, or money or glory or any of that right. This process opens up so many doors you never would have thought were keeping you down. My goodness, l11 success story. Oh, quentin is the author of that success story. I knew that's what it was.
Speaker 2:I knew that's what it was.
Speaker 3:That's my success story. I was holding myself down and holding myself back by these and I was able to spot the considerations that was holding me back, the fixed ideas that was holding me back just doing L11. And so and so what? I'm telling y'all that you are a powerful, big being capable of infinite possibilities.
Speaker 1:That L11 baby you better tap in because it's something better tap in, because there's something, and it's pretty simple to describe how a person gets a fixed idea, like we said, or we were talking about just a minute ago, and I mentioned that a person says, well, I can't do that, okay, explain that to me. And what you're doing in L11, which is one of the L rundowns, and L11 deals with the things that hold a thetan back, which is what your success story was about, and that has to do with withholding oneself from an area because you've priorly committed a harmful act that you wouldn't want done to you, known as an a conscious survival act. So you stop reaching in that area and you put up these fixed ideas I, I can't do that, I couldn't do that, I don't know how to do that, I don't want to do that. That's cut reach. And so you put a fixed idea there that says road closed because of this, this disability, or that's just not something I can. I mean, what it all comes down to at the end of the day is I can't, I won't, I shall not confront something because you're withholding from that area. So you put some other stable datum.
Speaker 1:A stable datum is only a stable datum. If you decide that it is a stable datum. What is a stable datum? This is my truth. Okay, it may be true for you, but it's a false datum. That's a fixed idea. I can't do this. Why can't you do this? Well, I long ago forgot about why I can't do this, but I just know that I can't.
Speaker 1:But again, we talked about necessity level just a couple podcasts ago. Remember that what is your necessity? If it's to survive, it is a you got to do something. So you got to keep that that car off of the grandbaby whether it's it's the, the chocks have squirted out the other side or whatever, and you're 95 years old and you hold the car up, so so your grandson can get out. So that that's where the fixed idea of I can't do this just blows, goes away and you and you're like I got to do this. That's one way to do it.
Speaker 1:It's rare, but it happens, and so you're changing your considerations without inspecting it. Because it's a necessity, that's great and you can do it. But ultimately, more commonly, for over 8 billion plus beings on this planet walking around and meet bodies, they have things in place that prevent them from doing things. Because it is a fixed idea, it is a way to survive. It is part of a valence and that valence is I need to act like this person in order to solve a problem. That problem is always, ultimately, survival. How do you change that? Well, you need to get in session and look for those blind spots, because if you knew it was wrong with you, like we said earlier, it wouldn't be wrong with you.
Speaker 3:And per the policy letter, hillary says that the fixed idea that he thinks it is is not the actual fixed idea. That's not the fixed idea. Uh, he says it in the um, in the policy letter, that the fixed idea that he thinks it is is not the fixed idea right because it is an area of no inspection.
Speaker 1:No inspection at all because there's the unwillingness to inspect it, because if you did, you would make yourself wrong. And I ran into this a lot, a lot, one for one, every single person that I went to in 2004,. In the fall of 2004, october, early October, I called all my friends when I inspected something that another friend showed me and gave me the data, and I went through and fact-checked all this stuff and I also had my own experience and he said look at these websites, read this information, compare it to what you've experienced yourself analytically, to what you've seen in the church and what's going on in the corporate church of Scientology. If I don't hear from you again, I know what happened, namaste, and I love you, I get it. Your truth is different than mine. I called them back after a couple hours looking at the website and analyzing that, looking at what I'd seen myself in person firsthand, and I said I believe every bit of it. I've seen that for myself.
Speaker 1:So I went from this fixed idea that everything the church was doing was right idea that everything the church was doing was right and, relatively speaking, I was being very dogmatic, taking LRH's viewpoint without inspecting to a certain degree because I was still in at that time and this was 21 years ago, almost next month or close two months is there was this fixed idea that this was the only way to get up the bridge and we just had to accept all of this stuff that was going on. All of my friends, every single person that I talked to, said I can't do it because my wife, my business partner, my friends I have investments, wife, my business partner, my friends, I have investments, I let it, and all of this stuff would crumble down to the ground If I said I'm walking away from the corporate church of Scientology. Those are that's what you call a fixed idea. It didn't for me, more See, it didn't for me. But the thing is is, if you don't inspect and you don't look, I can't, I can't, I can't because of these things, all right, that's, I get it, but you can. But you have to change your considerations first about the information that you have, and I've mentioned this in other podcasts.
Speaker 1:A vast percentage of the people that I told at that time, 21 years ago, are now out out. They're not only out of the church, they're out of the subject entirely, and I think that that's a really big shame, because there are a lot of decent, good, nice people who had a lot to offer other people. But see and Go ahead, that's all right. No, please finish your phone. Well, and that's the thing is, those fixed ideas morphed into, well, scientology doesn't work. I don't want to have anything to do with it, I don't want to touch it. Yeah, that's where I was headed with this. That's how bad a fixed idea can get.
Speaker 3:And that happens with religion specifically really a lot of things, but religion specifically, because one is not self-determined or not being self-determined. So, for example, when I used to grow up as a Jehovah's Witness, I determined I wasn't disfellowshipped or excommunicated or kicked out. I disassociated myself, I wrote the letter and I said you know, remove me from the roster, kind of thing. And it was a self-determined action. And I know I don't hold any animosity or any negative viewpoint about the Jehovah's Witnesses and the whole thing or whatever about the Jehovah's Witnesses and the whole thing or whatever, because I made a self-determined move. But if you don't allow yourself that self-determinism, if you don't allow yourself the ability to change mind right if you don't allow yourself the ability to shift your thinking because you have a fixed idea, you don't have a sleeping intention.
Speaker 3:What ends up happening is, if you come to a point where you met with this impasse and you have to make a decision, it's going to blow up the whole thing.
Speaker 3:It's going to blow up the whole thing. And so people who you know, whether it be Christianity or whether it be Scientology, corporate church or whatever, if you had to come out of it because you were forced to confront something Right and you didn't do it with your own self-determinism, chances are you're going to have a big explosion because it's going to be something that's impinged upon you. It's going to be an impaling factor, like and it's like it stabs you in the gut and they twisted it. You know that kind of thing and nobody wants to feel that way. But if you're able to listen to this podcast and you're able to be self-determined in how you want to progress as a spiritual being and how you want to live your life as a spiritual being and make some self-determined moves towards that, that's how you're going to be able to better your life in a way that you don't have to blow up everything. You don't have to blow up your life.
Speaker 1:No, you don't. And that brings us back to the CDEI scale. I mean curious, desired, enforced, inhibited, no, no and refused Again, where would you rather be at? Are you self-determined and curious, yes. Are you self-determined and desired, yes. Are you self-determined and desired, yes, enforced, no or no. You know you can't do this. Refused, that's, that's not the way to go. So, initing what we do is we get a person to look at these things on a very gradual, gradient approach, on whatever the subject is, so that they, their fixed ideas, go away because they're re-inspecting them and changing their mind. On the expanded grades, for example, you mentioned L11, and you had what? 400 plus hours of book one prior to doing L11. And these were long-term things on L11 that you were addressing, not just this lifetime either, that these were fixed ideas that had been with you way down the backtrack type of a thing. So if you can't spot it, that's what I said in the class many, many years.
Speaker 1:Right, many, many years. Hardest thing to spot is the missingness. And so, in looking at it from a different standpoint, all of a sudden you go, oh, that's a fixed idea I had. All of a sudden you go, oh, that's a fixed idea I had. And then your reach exponentially increased, and that's not just outward but inward as an inflow, because you had mentioned in one of the other podcasts that all the money that you spent to buy your bridge package and everything you made back in. What was it? Two months.
Speaker 3:Four months, yep Four months. What was it? Two months, four months, yep four. Three months, almost four months, yeah right, so and that's.
Speaker 1:That's. That's a hell of an roi on, okay I, I got got my money back and now I have all these other things and you've got things planned in different countries with different people and you know you're, you're expanding like crazy and doing and and and things that you probably never ever considered doing before, because I can't do that.
Speaker 3:And if I did consider it, I would hold myself back Prior to doing L11, the things that I knew in my heart of hearts I wanted to do. I would give myself a reason or an excuse, a rationale right, a rational reason about why I couldn't do it, or that that's not going to work, or that's nobody's going to pay for that, or whatever the case may be. And I had all these ideas after doing L11, that whole thing just blew and it wasn't there anymore, and now people are like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And it's a really, really good feeling to know that I can do what I'm purposed to do, to come on my ideal scene, what my purpose is, and not have any counterintention on it. I don't have any counterintention on it right and it's brilliant.
Speaker 1:and that's the thing. Blocking a being's path is these fixed ideas that they don't know, that they have in place, that prevent them from doing any kind of inspecting at all, that they're not aware of. So you have, you know it's a two-terminal universe and you have to have to communicate and you have to get acknowledgements. It has to be duplication, arc, affinity, reality, communication and understanding in order for this whole thing to transpire. But the auditor plus the preclear you being the person receiving the auditing, being the preclear, the person doing the auditing on you being the auditor the auditor plus the preclear is greater than the PC's reactive mind and that allows you to look at things you would otherwise heretofore not inspect because the fixed idea is there. That's the point of this podcast. So education as well, getting new ideas, going over the axioms with a person other than just yourself and reading them, having them read the auditor or a friend you can do it that way.
Speaker 3:Listen, y'all reach out to me. I love talking about this stuff. I talk about this with you forever, right?
Speaker 1:You can do this sort of thing and you'll start to get an idea of huh.
Speaker 1:I never really looked at it that way before. And that's the magic of the communication cycle in the two-terminal universe is because you're getting charge off that you wouldn't otherwise be able to get rid of by having that communication cycle through cause-distance and, arthur, feel free to chime in since you're on protears cause, distance of fact, intention, attention with duplication. It's that duplication where somebody goes oh wait, a minute, did I just hear what I did? I just hear what I just said to the auditor. And the auditor goes thank you, and. And then you have a cognition. And then you have a cognition. The auditor didn't do anything, didn't evaluate, didn't invalidate, was just being there and being comfortable with you. And you said these things and you spotted this weird hidden standard, this fixed idea that this could not be so, and poof, I think when you just said thank you, I just had a whole big key out.
Speaker 1:And, strangely enough, arthur is working on his clay demos for TR2, which is the, the uh training regimen, training routine for acknowledging a preclear in session, and TR2 and a half, which is acknowledging a preclear in session and getting them to continue talking these drills with this concept in mind of a fixed idea, just going over the material of fixed ideas, the data series, the axioms in scientology and dianetics, this. This isn't even an auditing session per se, but just the person going. Thank you, I got what you said.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I just went exterior.
Speaker 1:Right, right, and we're having a podcast. You're in Malaysia, I'm here in South Africa, arthur's there with you, about 15 minutes away, and this is the sort of thing that can happen in a podcast. Imagine what you can do going over this stuff with somebody in session. Get it.
Speaker 3:In the podcast. In the podcast.
Speaker 1:So this can happen to you. So let's look at our fixed ideas with an auditor in session. Let's get some education on this and get in session, give us a call, talk to us about what we can do to get you on the bridge, do remote auditing with the Theta meter, get you on an online course in our online course room and let's change these fixed ideas to what is really true for you, not something that you've agreed to. That is false. Arthur, do you have anything you want to add before we boogie?
Speaker 2:Yep, I can't means I won't, and look, don't listen, yep.
Speaker 3:There you go.
Speaker 1:Very much For Quentin and Arthur and myself, myself. We hope you've enjoyed this podcast. We'll see you, uh, over the weekend for our third installment. Don't know what it's going to be about yet, but, uh, we're working on it, namaste, and we love you. Bye, thank you. Thank you, thanks for watching.