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SE11EP23 - Independent Scientology on Personal Policy: Your First Line of Defense
Have you ever wondered why you keep encountering the same challenging situations in life? The answer may lie in something surprisingly simple yet profoundly powerful: personal policy.
Personal policy serves as your first line of defense against life's uncertainties—the rules and guidelines that direct your actions and decisions across all eight dynamics. In this illuminating conversation, we explore how these self-determined principles shape everything from your daily habits to your spiritual journey.
At its core, personal policy stems from understanding "the rules of the game" and "discovered truths" as they apply to your life. We break down how entering a condition of danger requires formulating firm policies that prevent problematic situations from recurring. These aren't arbitrary restrictions but conscious guidelines that reflect your highest standards and values.
Through fascinating examples ranging from relationship boundaries to environmental stewardship, we demonstrate how written personal policies become powerful tools for self-determination. As Quenton wisely shares, "The higher your standards, the better your life"—a principle that applies across finances, health, relationships, and spiritual growth.
We delve into how illogical thinking develops through omitted facts, altered sequences, dropped time, added falsehoods, and altered importance—the same mechanisms that create confusion during traumatic experiences. Through auditing and training, you can identify these faulty patterns and establish more effective guidelines for living.
The path to freedom begins with taking responsibility for your own policies. Whether you're just beginning your journey or well along your Bridge, documenting your personal standards creates the foundation for lasting change. Ready to transform your life by changing your personal policy? This episode offers the perfect starting point.
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Hi everyone and welcome to another Scientology Outside of the Church podcast for the week of Tuesday, August 19th. This is season 11, 2025, season 11, episode 23. I'm here with Quentin Stroud, Arthur has the night off and we are going to do a topic of personal policy. Your first line of defense um quentin has talked about personal policy on several occasions in past podcasts and, given everything that is going on across the dynamics, we are going to address personal policy. And how are you, Quentin?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm doing fantastic. This is one of my big points of I call them my Q-isms. One of my big Q-isms that I put out. I'm like, listen, we got to have some real personal policies in place that.
Speaker 1:I put out. I'm like, listen, we got to have some real personal policies in place. So I'd like to start off with what the word policy means. Quentin and I had a discussion prior to starting the podcast about the word policy and its derivations and everything. So I want to go over this first and we're going to go to another word as well, which leads us to what this topic is going to be. So the word policy just like LRH has policies in Scientology for a reason, and all of this stuff independent Scientology is.
Speaker 1:The word policy originates from the French word police, which itself comes from late Latin politia, meaning citizenship, political organization or government. This Latin term, in turn, is derived from the Greek word politila is that right? Yeah, politia, excuse me which signifies citizenship, the state, administration or government. Ultimately, the Greek root polis, meaning city or state, is the foundation of the word. So it's got a really long history. Essentially, the concept of policy has evolved from the idea of how a city or state is governed to encompass the broader notion of guidelines and principles that direct actions and decisions in various contexts.
Speaker 1:Now, if we dig a little deeper on policy and we look at the etymology again from what we've just been doing where it came from the late 14th century. It came from policy P-O-L-I-C-I-E study or practice of government, good government, from old French. Like we said, p-o-l-i-c-i-e 14th century political organization, civil administration, from late Latin, politia, the state civil administration from Greek, so on and so forth. And then from early 15th century, as quote an organized state, organized or established system of government or administration of a state. But this sense has gone with polity, which I'd never looked up before, and Quentin went oh yeah, and where is it used in modern day? Where did you learn that word?
Speaker 2:before we continue on with what leads us to what we're going to talk about, learn that word before we continue on with what leads us to what we're going to talk about. Yeah, so in my lived experience you know growing up and being a part of different organizations, stuff like that, particularly church organizations, religious organizations when you have bylaws of a religious organization or spiritual organization, a part of the bylaws is your church polity, your church polity, and and by hearing the definition of what polity is, you'll really understand why this lines up with, looking at from a church or spiritual perspective, church polity and what's the definition of polity?
Speaker 1:also the, the derivation of it, which is the definition in this sense also from early 15th century, as object or course of contact. Excuse me, conduct. Object or course of contact or the principles to be observed in conduct, and thus prudence or wisdom in action generally, but especially and then it circles back to governmental stuff the system of measures or the line of conduct which a ruler, minister, government or party adopts is best for the interests of the country in a domestic or foreign affairs. Now we're looking at this as a form of personal polity. Object or course of conduct or the principles to be observed in conduct, prudence or wisdom in action across the dynamics, yes, Prudence and wisdom in action.
Speaker 1:Yeah, to note that in what we were talking about in our last podcast, we were talking about the lower conditions in independent Scientology. Well, now we're talking about and this has to be explained a little bit when you get out of the condition of non-existence, which is not a lower condition, it's above liability, which is a lower condition. Non-existence, which is not a lower condition, it's above liability, which is a lower condition. Non-existence right above the condition of non-existence, is danger, the condition of danger. A condition of danger is normally assigned when an emergency condition has continued too long.
Speaker 1:A statistic plunges downward very steeply, or, in a sense, a senior executive suddenly finds himself or herself wearing the hat of the activity because it is in trouble. Now, that's from a third person viewpoint. You are your own senior executive when it comes to the first dynamic, so we have to make that point. That okay. So if a statistic plunges downward very steeply in your life, an emergency condition has continued too long, you need to apply a condition of danger. Now it's important to note that when you come out of non-existence, you immediately go into danger. Danger Now, that's different than when you come out of danger. You've gone through emergency, the next condition, and then you're in normal and affluence and power, and power change. So why is danger above non-existence? Because you don't know what you're supposed to do yet.
Speaker 2:Yeah, think about a baby. When a baby is born and we'll say, springs into existence as it relates to walking with a body, but when a baby is born, that baby is not functional for real, for real, right, any danger in it. You got to protect them. You got to make sure you put the little guards on the toilet and on the cabinets, you got to make sure you close the little spark plugs so they can't put anything in the plugs. That baby's in danger.
Speaker 2:And so, if you understand how life works, how this universe works, and you understand it from the perspective of these conditions, that, that these conditions of existence, what ends up happening is you start to see these ethical, ethics conditions.
Speaker 2:You start to see, like, when I get out of non-existence and I know, okay, this is what I'm, this is who I'm doing, who I am, this is what I'm here to deliver, this is what I'm here to do. But you still don't know certain things. You don't know how to do certain things. You don't know certain things. You don't know how to do certain things, you don't know how to move. Yet right. And so in the condition of danger is the word policy and it really in the formula, it really is important for you to understand why personal policy is your first line of defense. It's the first thing you got to start to get to at some point as you start to move through life. And a baby has to do it you got to do it. A new business has to do it. A new relationship has to do it at some points, all of this is really important.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 1:And so when you're coming out of non-existence and you move into danger, it's not just in life in general but, like Quentin was saying, it can be any particular thing, because you have to bypass your habits or normal routines. So a baby, for example, might stick their finger in a light socket. The father might go hey, the baby stuck their finger near the light socket or tried to put a pencil in there or something metallic or whatever which would electrocute the baby either fatally or less than fatally, depending on the situation. So the father is going to bypass habits and normal routines and, like you said, put covers over the electrical plugs that this doesn't happen. The baby is, it gets picked up or swatted on the fanny or told that's not, not okay, you can't do that. Or you need to be careful honey, don't you know, depending on the tone level of the parent, and handle the situation in a danger unit. So from both sides of this, you have the senior and you have the junior Danger formula. They're very, very similar.
Speaker 1:But the thing is, the important part of this from that standpoint is is you're assigning yourself a danger condition? That doesn't mean you need to take it personal, it's just oh, I mean, let's say you're oh, I don't know 17, 18, 19. You can get a job. You have a social security number and somebody says, well, you need to have a CV. What's a CV? Well, you need to find out what a CV is first, and then you need to know how to make one. Or tell chat, gpt or some service to make you a CV, or get on a word processor and put one together yourself. And then you find out in some way how not to do a CV so that you can have. You can actually get a job, because if you say certain things or you don't add certain things to it, or you don't give enough information in the proper way that looks professional, and all of this, you don't get the job.
Speaker 1:So, part of danger formula because you're out of non-existence. I need to make money, I need to survive, I have to get a CV, I need to turn this in Okay. So, assigning yourself a danger condition by bypassing habits or normal routines, handling the situation and the danger in it. Again, assign yourself a danger condition, get in your own personal life by finding out what you're doing. That is out ethics. Well, let's not be that harsh, because the word out ethics tends to make people go. I did something wrong. If you don't know how to do something right in the first place, is that out ethics? No, you need to look at it and go. I need to learn this thing in order to be able to get normal at it.
Speaker 1:That's the point, because you came out of non-existence and you're in, and it's a dangerous situation because you don't even know what the normal operation is. That's why it's dangerous. That's why this is important. Now, this brings us to the point of this podcast. If we're belaboring this, it has to be said because so many people don't understand this. Okay, because so many people don't understand this, okay. So next, reorganize your life so the dangerous situation is not continually happening to you. Six, formulate and adopt firm policy that will hereafter detect and prevent the same situation from continuing to occur. If you, if you now know how to do a proper CV, you get one done, you hand it out to people, you send it out, email it, whatever, and then you get a job. And now you're now out of danger and guess what? Guess what condition you're, guess what condition you're in. You're going to go wait, oh, oh, it's emergency. No, no, it's not existence. Why? Because you're on a new job and the firm part right, a new hat.
Speaker 1:So you're looking at it from different hats being unemployed to being employed now. If you're looking at it from a first dynamic, okay, yeah, you can move up into emergency, because what you're doing in emergency this is really funny in emergency. I got to find it. Where'd it go In emergency? What's the first line of emergency, quentin?
Speaker 2:Promote or produce First dynamic produce produce, that's right.
Speaker 1:Promote or produce okay. So promote, you're promoting. I'm in non-existence. I need to find out what's needed and wanted and do, produce and present it. Get it to our listeners, okay, so that's what you're doing. Then the next line and we're just we're just abbreviating these for the sake of the podcast. All of this. This is in the Introduction to Scientology Ethics. I do not recommend that you use the Church's current version because it has been altered and the definitions have been changed of these things on the dynamics and all this stuff.
Speaker 1:Get yourself a PDF copy from us on ao-gporg or go to finn on ao-ogporg or the independentcollegeofscientologycom and you can go in even without the book. You can go into Finn and you can say give me the definition of the conditions and what their steps are with our AI. And you can say this is my situation. Can you recommend to me what condition I may be in based off of this situation? I'm in.
Speaker 1:You can be as verbose as you want, which means you can talk all you want, type all you want in there, and Finn will tell you this sounds like the condition you're in. These are the steps. I kid you not. Okay, this is the first. This is the first set of steps in developing your own personal policy, your first line of defense. So we're going to step away from this a little bit as far as the conditions go, but this is what has to happen is that you have to formulate and adopt firm policy that will hereafter detect and prevent the same situation from continuing to occur. You do this over and over, and over and over and over in your life, on all your dynamics. So from there, quentin, take it away, because you're the pro at describing this stuff.
Speaker 2:Well. So before we go down that road a little bit too, I want to just give it kind of like anecdotally, to kind of understand. So in this case, lrh says in the management series, in the data series Wrong Target from 8 August 1970,. He says, in short, policy equals the rules of the game, the facts of life, the discovered truths and the invariable procedures. Policy, what brings the evaluation into existence in the first place. So when you're looking All right, so when you're looking at your life, when you're looking at your finances I'm talking real talk now when you're looking at your relationships, when you're looking at your health and your body, when you're looking at these things, policy equals per other H, policy equals the rules of the game, the facts of life, the discovered truth and the invariable procedures. So me, for example, I just got up this morning and for the first time in a long time I'm going to be honest with y'all For the first time in a long time I went outside and I took a long walk, a long walk, and I did like a power brisk walk or whatever, because I tend to get up, go in my office, get to work, cracking out some you know some, some, some projects, or whatever I have to do, and that's kind of how I start my day and then I'll probably grab some breakfast some a little bit later.
Speaker 2:But I went outside, I threw some, some shorts and stuff on, went outside and I said I'm going to walk and the reason why I did that and I'm and I'm adopting that as policy is because, understanding the facts of life, the rules of the game, the whole bit, the invariable procedure, it is now proven as a discovered truth that spitting is the new smoking. Okay, this is what they say. Spitting is now the new smoking. This is what they say. Sitting is now the new smoking.
Speaker 2:And those who lead a sedentary life right, sitting at the computer all day or sitting in your car all day, driving for Uber or whatever your job is or whatever those who lead a sedentary life, the rules of the game, the discovered truths and the invariable procedures I now know how to start to put them in place, in moving my body to have a better outcome discovered truths, when you have come to understand the facts of life and the rules of the game, whether it be relationship, whether it be money, the money game how many people need to know more about the money game and have not adopted firm policy or budgets, or saving protocols, or investing protocols? How many people don't have these in place? And they'd be like gosh. I really wish my finances were better.
Speaker 2:Well, what are you doing? What is your firm policy around money? You see, and so when you understand these things and you start to put them in place, this becomes your first line of defense and you creating a strong response to life, to life, and I'm talking about when life comes at you. You know what I mean. You know whether it be the tax man, or whether it be the bill, the bill collectors, or whether it be whatever. When life comes at you, you need to have a true, firm response that is rooted in the discovered truths, rooted in the facts of life, rooted in some kind of invariable procedure. How many people do relationship? How many people do relationship just because I feel, and I feel like this and I feel like that. But by doing that you're not having an invariable procedure perl or h on how to handle relationship challenges.
Speaker 1:This is so important yeah, and that's that's it. And it comes from the, the, the simple question that that people I don't know how to use the word without using it what do I do? What do I do in this situation? What if you don't know what it is that you do, that you don't have a personal policy? Well, you better get one, because if you don't, the end result is is you have to go down the, the ethics conditions and everything and go to the school of hard knocks and go. I've got to work back up the conditions, the lower conditions, and come back into non-existence and then into danger, which is wow, that was a dangerous situation that set me back whatever, whether it was money or months or days, or a house or a car or whatever you have to look at it and go. That was really dangerous. I need a personal policy on it so that the next time that this happens and you ask yourself, what do I do you not only go.
Speaker 1:Well, remember what happened with the little thought bubble. You got it in writing. Remember, if it isn't written, it isn't true and you can sit down and you can look at it and actually have different policies in a digital format as far as folders that you have written out. In this situation. This is what you Remember, what happened with so-and-so, on so-and-so. This is the policy we're going to do and this is why. And so you have your eight dynamics as folders and you go in there on the first dynamic and you've got all of your policies on the first dynamic, second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth.
Speaker 2:Now you have a reference.
Speaker 1:Yeah, now you have a reference because you have your own personal policies and, since a lot of our listeners are independent Scientologists, now you have this thing that you can refer to, just like LRH has, for all of this policy in green on white. What do you do when you say what's that LRH say about this? Well, guess what? This guy dedicated about 35 years of his life to codifying everything and putting it in writing, to codifying everything and putting it in writing Everything. So in that situation, now you can go back and see what he did in that situation, which includes the ethics conditions. That's a policy, it's in a policy letter.
Speaker 2:You get what?
Speaker 1:I'm saying so now you're going back and referring to his policy on what you do when you get in the soup and you apply that policy to create your own policies in your own life that end up being personal policy, your first line of defense.
Speaker 2:Yes, and when we do this, when you do this, and you're doing it from a place, because in the same policy letter on wrong targets, he talks about evaluation and evaluating what's there in front of you, the situation. He was talking about the situation and he gave us some examples of different situations. But when you're looking at these situations and you're evaluating them, you're going to be evaluating them based on what you desire your ideal scene to be and under ideal scene, he said ideal scene is the state of affairs in parentheses the state of affairs envisioned by policy, or the improvement of even that. And so when you're talking about the ideal scene, when you're looking at your ideal scene or what you want your ideal scene to be, you're looking at the state of affairs envisioned by policy. So the things that you, the way you live and I say this all the time, and this is one of my Q-isms the higher your standards, the better your life. The higher your standards, the better your life. And I say that in a sense of when you know what you want and you know what your worth is.
Speaker 2:Go back and listen to that podcast about you know what am I, who am I really and what is my worth and we talked about all these things. Go back and listen to this stuff because we're building on something here. We're building on something here because, when you're trying to go up the bridge and you're trying to go towards freedom, you're trying to go to a place where you are operating as you Not these valences and these masks and different things that one wears in order to try to function and live in life, because of you know stuff that happened to them or whatever and so you're trying to live as you will. Who are you? What is the ideal scene of me? What is the perfect idea of me?
Speaker 1:Right, and how do you get there Of self, and how do you get there?
Speaker 2:and and there's going to be foibles. There's going to be things that are, that are not, that are out points. There's going to be things that don't feel right or look right. Don't judge that. Like you just said it before, if you have a danger condition, there's no judgment around it. You know, but you know how to apply it, the uh, the condition formula. You know how to handle danger when it comes to finances. Oh, I'm so poor, I don't have any money whatever. Don't judge it, don't, woe is me it.
Speaker 2:You look at it, you evaluate the scene. You say but my ideal scene is this this is who I know I can be, this is who I know myself to be, based on my own self-determinism. So let me go ahead and put that in. And okay, that's an out point, but this is the out point. Okay, gotta get this taken care of, gotta get a bank account, gotta get this right, gotta get a set of budget, gotta do these things. And you start to move closer and closer to the ideal scene. And he says the ideal scene is the envisioned affairs. Well, I'm sorry, let me give it to you again, the state of affairs envisioned by policy, or the improvement thereof, so you can even go better than what you envision. Like, oh, I never, I never expected to be a billionaire, I know, you know, I just, I just thought I was trying to, you know, put some money in the bank, you know but I think it's really good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that does you know, just because you have a personal policy doesn't mean that you've you've, that you've covered all the bases, because as you expand and grow on your dynamics, you're going to run into things that you don't have policy for, that you might already have a policy for because you haven't encountered that. Because as you live life in the physical universe as a Thetan controlling a body, as you expand your havingness, as you expand your doingness, as you expand your beingness, you're going to have to develop more and more policies. That's why you see LRH issuing more policies. That's why you're seeing revising policies. Because, well, we found out that you know 1954 he's talking about on the Phoenix Lectures, we're not a religion, scientology isn't a religion. And then into the 60s he says well, scientology is an applied religious philosophy and it is now a church, one right after the other within a couple of short years.
Speaker 1:Because the policy was if we don't do this, we don't have tax exemptions and that also affects our parishioners and it also affects how governments deal with us, and so on and so forth. So the policies had to be evolved or new policies had to be developed so that the origination could thrive and survive better as it got bigger. Same thing applies to you and your eight dynamics, as well as your first dynamic, because that's where the policies start is on the first dynamic, and then you start making policies on the second dynamic, third dynamic, that type of thing. So, what is your personal policy? So, quentin, can you give them some other examples of what personal policies may be?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so, and again you have to come up with your own, and I think Art is not here, but he and I talked a while about like writing up, like really writing up what some of your personal policies are. I mean, you can have them about pretty much anything. In my relationship, we work with this thing called 5S. 5s, which is set, sort, sanitize, set, sort, standardize, sanitize, and I forgot the fifth S. It's five of them, but the five S's, and so when you're dealing with something in your home or in your space, you got to set it, you got to sort it, you got to standardize how you handle it, you got to sanitize, to clean up and shine Shine was the fifth one to make it look nice and presentable, and so, like you figure out this whole thing and you can do that with your grooming right, you can, you can have these policies when it comes to grooming, is it a policy that you brush your teeth before going to bed? That's not. That could be a firm policy. If you like your teeth, you know.
Speaker 2:These are things that that we could do to make it, make it go right for ourselves if we put it in, and what I love about being independent Scientologist is that there's no ethics board or ethics officer coming to knock on your door or shoot you a crass email when you're out of policy. We want you to be responsible for you out policy. We want you to be responsible for you. We want you to be a big, responsible being and do the things that are right for you to do so that you can be happy, sane, healthy, well and so forth. And so in independent Scientology, in ALGP, we don't have the ethics board like you board, that whole thing.
Speaker 2:Y'all know what I'm talking about. There's no police of that, but we do seek to hold you accountable to your own policies, the person that you say you wish to be and want to be. If you say you want to go up the bridge, but then you go on these crazy benders or whatever and you can't go in session, there's something that needs to be talked about. What's going on, you know, and all of these things are going to really help you to improve your life, the affairs, as he said, to improve the affairs of your life as envisioned by policy, and writing them up helps you do that.
Speaker 1:Right, you have to get them out of your head and you have to get them into the physical universe so that you can refer back to them and go, oh yeah, I forgot about that two years later, whatever, and so you can apply it. But it's something you need to look over all the time and remind yourself that. Okay, this is my policy on this, because you tend to get in set patterns and until you set new patterns, you stay in the old patterns. That's just how it is in the physical universe. And you know policies. You know personal policies, or second dynamic policies, or third dynamic policies, second dynamic policy and you're using LRH tech. You're using both auditing technology and administrative technology to do all of this stuff. So the path has been trailblazed already and you have these great viewpoints to operate off of, to set your own personal policies already. So you gonna you're gonna start a relationship with somebody that's that's below 3.0 on the tone scale. That'd be a good personal policy to have. Oh, I don't, I don't, I don't date somebody who's at 2.0 socially. Yeah, that's a personal policy. On the second dynamic, why refer back to the science of survival book and look what it says about 2.0 and that? And we've talked about this in other podcasts two types of uh tone level. You've got your social and you've got your chronic. Chances are you're not going to see the chronic for a long time because that social veneer is spread on like a thick peanut butter on toast in the morning. So you need to have personal policies.
Speaker 1:That's what Scientology, dianetics, is. It's a foundation of it, and you have all of this work that's already been done for you, but you're not aware of it. How do you get aware of it? You're you. You have all of this work that's already been done for you, but you're not aware of it. How do you get aware of it? Well, we've talked about this in almost every podcast we've done. Get some training, get some auditing, learn this stuff, because if it's the definition of scientology is knowing how to know, how do you know how to know if you're not aware of it? You don't know it. Go ask Finn on our websites, send us an email Comment on a podcast. What do I do in this situation? Chances are whatever's going on in your life. There's some policy, some tech, and when I say chances, I mean there's a 99.9% chance. Lrh has already covered it and you can use that as your stable information to then set your own personal policy.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And understand it contextually too. Like understand, like how does this apply to me? And obviously you know, when reading LRH and looking at the policy letters and stuff like that, like it's important that you understand, like how does this work for you, right? How do I apply this in? Because it might use some things that came back from that in that context as it was at that time. But you can apply it contextually and make it work for you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you can go to Finn our AI again and you can do that. You can do that. That's the incredible thing about this technology is you can go in there and you can put it in there and say, okay, this is what's going on. What references apply to this situation? You have a database there that actually responds. You don't have to go to the library and research it. I mean, think about that. How fantastic is that?
Speaker 1:In developing your own personal policy where you can ask the library and, instead of you having to go look for it, the librarian says these are the references, this is what it means. Boom, there it is. Now you can form your own personal policy, as long as you understand what it's talking about and, if it doesn't, grab a dictionary, clear up those words and then go okay, now I get it. Now I can adopt my own personal policy on whatever dynamic, whether it's brushing your teeth once or twice a day, taking a shower every day, all of this stuff and I know this seems like rudimentary stuff, but it's the basics.
Speaker 1:That's why LRH wrote the Way to Happiness, because the society was going so far down the chute that etiquette and ethics and responsibility on these very, very basic things Cherish, and I don't remember what is verbatim, but cherish and respect your elders, take care of your parents, take care of your body. These are personal policies in the way to happiness and, unfortunately, I know people on zero degree of separation. I can't, at this very moment, get them to do those things Because they will not adopt a personal policy. Why is that? Because of the tone level, because of their own blindness to their own overts withholds all of this stuff. So go ahead.
Speaker 2:All of this stuff. So go ahead. Well, and I was going to say yeah. And when we look at policies and when we are creating policy, obviously you know we want to walk into it with a level of logic, right, and with with logic. It says logic. Lrh says in the data series to 11 May 1970, logic means the subject of reasoning. Okay, and understanding this, which is one of my favorite Posse letters by him understanding that logic is going to be supported right by education. Logic is supported by knowledge, he says here I'm scrolling down, where is it? Oh, here it is. Reason depends on data. When data is faulty, the answer will be wrong and looked upon as unreasonable. So when you're looking at your life, when you're looking at your finances, when you're looking at your health, when you're looking at your relationships, when you're looking at these things, your logic is going to be based on the data that you have received. If the data is wrong, then your outcome is going to be wrong.
Speaker 1:If the data is faulty, then your outcome is going to be faulty or unreasonable. We talked about that in a couple podcasts ago. You know, as far as false data goes and fixed ideas, fixed ideas come from no or false data. Or false data can also be engrams and postulates that a person has decided that I can never do this, I can't do that, I can't do this, I can't do that, and then so you've got wrong data. Just to add that continue.
Speaker 2:And I think that it's also important because he says here that by establishing the ways in which things become illogical, one can then establish what is logic. And so he talks about how does something in our lives and think about what we're talking about in terms of training and in terms of auditing how does something in our lives become illogical? He gives five primary ways. Number one omitting a fact. Number two change sequence of events. Number three drop out time. Number four is add a falsehood. And number five is alter importance. Think about this, guys the way something becomes illogical, a situation becomes illogical in your life, is these five factors, these five primary ways. This is exactly what pain and unconsciousness, trauma, whatever word you want to use. This is exactly what happens. Omit a fact, drop a sorry, change sequence of events, like oh, I think it happened like this, but no, it really happened like this, but no, I think that happened first. I can't remember, you know, because I can't remember right. Okay, drop out time. When did that happen? I don't know, it was when I was young. I remember that I was young. Okay, well, tell me when. I can't even remember back that far. Right, drop out time, the before. Add a falsehood. So somewhere in that incident, somewhere in that pain and unconsciousness, somewhere in that reactive mind, is a falsehood. I can't breathe, I can't see, I don't know what's going on. I don't understand. This is crazy. Whatever, it is right, these falsehoods is there.
Speaker 2:And the last thing is alter importance. So when pain is present, the mind thinks that that's the most important thing in that moment, because that thing can hurt you, right? That thing is harming you or hurting you, right? So the mind thinks that that's the most important thing. So the analytical mind drops out, so that the reactive mind can start taking a look and being like oh no, that's the most important thing. You better remember this, because this will hurt you. This is how illogic, how a situation becomes illogical. These are the five primary ways and this is exactly what happens when we're in pain and unconsciousness, and this is so important.
Speaker 2:So, when you think about your life, when you think about the way you do things and we talked about valences and stuff like that last podcast the way you do things, are you really being logical, right? Are you really seeing this thing for what it really is, or are there any omitted facts? Is there a change of sequence of events? Is there a dropout of time? Are there any falsehoods or any altered importance? If some of that stuff is present, there can be, or might be, a illogical scenario developing here and therefore you're going to have this stuff show up in your life over and over and over again. This is why auditing works, because auditing gets you to get the truth time, place, form and event. Auditing gets you to get it right, so that you then know who you are and how you got to this place. What have I gone through, what have I been through, what's happened to me and you can start to move through it in a more logical fashion, move through life in a more logical fashion.
Speaker 1:Right and the ones you delineated. Those are the primary outpoints in the data series, and that's how you do an evaluation is by looking to find where the outpoints on something are, and once you do find those things, then you can write a proper program to achieve or return back to the ideal scene. That is what the grade chart, auditing and training is trying to get you to do is get you back to your ideal scene, your native state, and I'll go back to the last podcast who you really are. And how do you get back to who you really are? Well, you have to uncover these wacky policies that you've decided through auditing and training and then write new ones across your eight dynamics. That's how you have your first line of defense is you've made decisions, you made policies that don't work and they kept not working and they kept getting worse and worse and worse, and you want to look at them for what they truly are, so that you can go okay, I need to throw that policy away. I need to adopt a new one, formulate and adopt for a policy that will hereafter detect and prevent the same situation from continuing to occur On a long time scale. This is what we didn't do and how we ended up here. Let that sink in for a second. This is what we didn't do and how we ended up here. Let that sink in for a second. This is what we didn't do and how we ended up here, on this beautiful big blue and green marble, with insanity prevailing, and right now we're trying to get out of it through the use of independent Scientology and Dianetics. And we're here on this podcast and we're introducing it to you now that, on a very long timeline, auditing and training, are you adopting a firm policy that will hear after and detect and prevent the same situation from continuing to occur?
Speaker 1:Well, 30 seconds of silence to let that one set in. You know, I mean, that's it's almost. It's almost that important. That's why your personal policies are what dictate, have to dictate what it is you will stand for and what you will not for yourself. Right on the second dynamic, the third dynamic, all of your dynamics, I refuse.
Speaker 1:I just did this this morning I was sitting here at the Airbnb and I was having a cigar and enjoying the early afternoon 65-degree sun here in South Africa, and I looked over in the pool and there was a bee in the pool and I will not stand for that and I know that sounds. Maybe that sounds like well, that's just ridiculous, but that's my personal policy when it comes to wildlife. If I can help that bee that can't help itself Yesterday it was a spider I'll go over and go out of my way to try and save that spider or a bee in the pool from from enduring such a painful fate as drowning when there's nothing, there's no one around. That's how nature is and I understand that and it's my personal policy. If I see it, I know about it, I'm responsible, I'm going to take some control of it. That's KRC and I go and I save that if they're not already dead and drowning. In the case of yesterday and today, I got there in time and I just get them out of the pool and I put them in the sun to dry off. The spider had crawled away within a few minutes Once it had dried off in the warm late winter sun. The bee was gone within a minute and a half and dried its wings off and went about its merry way to continue on collecting pollen and going back to the hive.
Speaker 1:We have hives here in this neighborhood. That's a personal policy and it's something that you feel strongly about and you'll. This is how it, how it has to be, and that's on your first dynamic, or any other dynamic, whether it's the physical universe, or animals, plant life or trees, for whatever reason. They're cutting down all kinds of trees around here to make way for progress, and they have these old, beautiful, 100, 150-year-old trees and they're cutting them down. And I almost want to stop and say, if I could do something about it, I would, but the trees were already cut down when I drive by them, because it's a personal policy of mine that shouldn't happen. These things need to stay there, and the argument is well, we need to make way for progress, the road needs to be widened because there are more people that need to get to work, who need to feed their kids and earn food and a lot of money, see.
Speaker 1:So I wanted to give you an example of something that I feel strongly about. That isn't my first dynamic, and that's the important thing is it's what do these dynamics give you that you need to look at when you're formulating personal policy? It isn't just I, me, mine, it's about what is the world around. You need that you need to make a personal policy about. Another personal policy is of mine on the third dynamic. And the fourth dynamic is I'm not going to sit idly by and watch Scientology vanish. I refuse to do that. I'm going to do something about it.
Speaker 1:So what did I do? I started my. Do that? Okay, I'm going to do something about it. So what did I do? I started my own organization. What did Quentin do? He joined the podcast, decided to get up the bridge, realized he had allies that had the same, similar purpose, same with Arthur, and we're doing something about it. We're doing this podcast. It's a personal policy of mine. I want to get out three podcasts a week to inspire people and to get them to look at this stuff and apply this information and do something for their lives. It allows them to get up the bridge and return to their own native state, thus formulating and adopting firm policy that will hereafter detect and prevent the same situation from continuing to occur on their whole track into the future.
Speaker 1:That is an example of personal policy.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, yes, yes. That is exactly right whole track, that you understand that what you think is a out point at this point in your life, or whatever. It might not be something that just you just happened into right. It might be something that's on the whole track. That was out policy, that was not ideal, right right, that wasn't the ideal scene for that situation. And this thing carried on and carried on and carried on.
Speaker 2:And now you're here having to deal with this stuff and it's like, well, why do I feel this way? Why do I act this way? Why is my body like this? Or whatever it may be. All of these things can be looked at and spotted and you can do something about them to the degree that you can, something about them to the degree that you can, and you start to make these changes in your life. This is why I think this podcast is probably one of the top. I believe that this podcast is probably one of the top podcasts that people need to listen to when they're making a decision about going up the bridge, when you're making a decision about doing your bridge activities is. You need to understand that this is not about anything other than you creating your ideal scene for your existence, and I'm going to add it in and say across the whole track that's absolutely right, and I mean you have to look at what is the ideal scene for your dynamics and then look at what is the ideal scene for planet Earth.
Speaker 1:That's a biggie. What is the ideal scene? No famine, no homelessness, no insanity, people treating each other the way they want to be treated, people not being selfish, people not taking advantage of people. You can sit down and you can do all this stuff and you can look at okay, what's going on here on this planet that got me into Scientology, got me into Dianetics, or why am I unhappy? What's the ideal scene? And then you run that up against. Why am I unhappy? Well, there's something that, and then you run that up against. Why am I unhappy? Well, there's something that you're doing that your ethics aren't in, that is making you unhappy, maybe on one or more dynamics, and I guarantee you that it has something to do with the planet that you live on.
Speaker 1:If you're here and you're listening to this podcast and you're on planet Earth and you're in this solar system somewhere along the line, you didn't have a policy for something and that's how you got here, or you violated a policy, and that is something that auditing and training handle. We're going to go back and we're going to spot this. Where did you make the decision that got you dumped on this dumping ground of dumping grounds in this sector of this galaxy? What happened? You get it. That's what we're talking about, that is, you've got to have these personal policies. Go ahead, quinn.
Speaker 2:Yes, and let me tell you, when you spot that, when you spot what got me here, when you spot that, your whole viewpoint changes. Okay, I'm not telling y'all something that just this ain't theory. Okay, this ain't theory. Okay, when you spot what got me here, this changes the whole game. It's such a freeing gosh. It's such a freeing experience because you, oh gosh, I can't say too much, but just feel what I'm saying. Don't hear what I'm saying, feel what I'm saying, okay, and get yourself into somebody's situation, somebody's conversation. Call me, call me, I don't care. Facebook me, send me a message in the comments and we'll talk about it. We sure will. I was talking to somebody right now from sweden about, uh, getting on their bridge package, this, this is this kind of stuff that's happening all around the world, yeah, and, and you get an opportunity to tap into it right, and that's that's the importance of it is that you know you've got to start somewhere and we're not trying to say you have to buy, take a huge chunk out of the apple and change the world.
Speaker 1:The way you change the world is the way you change your world. Think about what I just said. The way you change the world is by changing your world, your sphere of influence, your sphere of control. And how you do that is you develop personal policy that is pro-survival for you across your dynamics separately. Sit down, put it in writing. What have I learned? You know, like that we were talking about from that burn after reading quote from that movie from the Coen brothers. What have we learned from all this? What have you learned in life?
Speaker 1:I guarantee you that almost everyone out there listening to this podcast has not sat down and written policy one down. And because you violated personal policy, that's where things started to go wrong. But if you have it in writing, I guarantee you, if you can take the time to put it in writing, I guarantee you that you will very, very rarely ever violate that policy again. That's my best suggestion to you. And just do one a day. Sit down, just like Quentin goes out and takes a walk. You can even go out and take a walk and you can dictate your personal policies to your phone in an app, in notes. You can dictate it to chat GPT and then you can have it produce. You can tell it everything in the world and you can tell it take all of these personal policies and print it out for me and then you can download a copy of that and save it or just keep it in ChatGPT, whichever. That's how easy it's gotten. I mean, it's dumb easy. These are the tools that exist for you to develop your own personal policies and keep them in there. And if you have memory on ChatGPT or Claude or Grok or Gemini, you can just sit there and just dictate this stuff, just like LRH did when he was writing policies. He didn't write all this stuff down, he set it into a dictaphone and then had somebody type it up, a typist, and then it was put into policy and published out there for everybody else.
Speaker 1:Why can't you do the same? It's that simple and that's how you change your world in order to change the world around you and the people around you is because you'll start pulling in people that you want on your communication lines, because you have a policy that says I won't accept anybody below 3.0 on the tone scale in my life. Now, that's a pretty high standard, but you get what I'm saying to our listeners. I think you would agree, wouldn't you Quentin? So, in closing, I hope this has helped everyone and we'll be back in a couple of days. Can you hear me? Yeah, I can hear you. Hello, testing, testing, oh sorry.
Speaker 2:I was muted has helped everyone.
Speaker 1:And we'll be back in a couple of days. Yeah, I can hear you, hello, testing, testing.
Speaker 2:Oh sorry, I was muted. I was talking, I was saying, yes, I totally agree with what you're saying, and the higher your standards, the better your life. Again, I say of you get to start to allocate your energy, your mental energy, your attention units, your resources, towards that better experience. And, whether it's travel, whether it's, like you said, certain people that you have as relationships or friendships or whatever you want, people that are uptone and effective in their life and upstat, that are doing something. So that way, when something, what do they say? A friend in need is a friend indeed. That's right, right, a friend in need is a friend indeed. And so when you are able to get help from someone, when you're able to, somebody can show up for you. Man, I got you. I understand it's hard right now. I understand you're going through something. I got you, bro. When you can get that, that feels so good, you see, and you have those high standards set so that you can have that every single time.
Speaker 1:Right Now. It's important to note that if you look at the Scientology Code of Honor, that's a great jumping off point for you, creating your own personal policy, and will give you ideas on the first dynamic on what type of personal policies you should have. You should use those, but you should have your own jumping off points where you develop it from there and you can go into FIN and do it, which I would recommend, as opposed to just jumping on chat GPT, which would be a close second. But Finn stays within the confines of independent Scientology and stays in that box without adding anything else, and you're using that Scientology Dianetics independent Scientology Dianetics data in order to figure out what basically like what Quentin was just talking about is you know, is you don't give up your allegiance.
Speaker 1:Once granted to somebody, you're there for them. You got their back and how you go about that. So you can use each one of those lines in the code of honor and you can ask Finn to tell you what they are and say, okay, let's start with step one. And then here's my personal policy on this, based off of my own life, and just dictate it to chat GPT. I wouldn't recommend Finn, but you can at least get started to find the code of honor there. So, in closing, go ahead, quentin.
Speaker 2:I'll just say, for sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. So it's a lot easier than it used to be to get this stuff done. It doesn't take a lot of time, especially with modern digital technology, and we'll help you out and get you going on this to adopt your own personal policy so that you can get up the bridge, you can be happy and you can be, do, have the way you've always wanted to do and recover your own native state as an OT in business, as being as OT as you are meant to be. So for Quentin Stroud and myself, we hope you've enjoyed this podcast and it's been more than illuminating. A lot of information to metabolize on this, so it might take a second listen. We'll see you in a day or two for another podcast, namaste, and we love you. Bye-bye.
Speaker 2:Peace, thank you, thank you, thanks for watching.