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SE11EP23 - Independent Scientologists Discuss GOD
What does it mean to exist as infinity? In this profound exploration of Scientology's enigmatic eighth dynamic, we venture beyond conventional spiritual discussions into the realm of infinite awareness and existence.
The eighth dynamic—symbolized by the number 8 which resembles the infinity symbol stood upright—represents the ultimate frontier of spiritual awareness. But can something truly infinite be described in finite terms? As we discover during our conversation, the moment you attempt to observe or define infinity, you've already created separation and therefore failed to fully embody it.
Drawing from personal experiences at advanced levels of spiritual processing, we share insights into states of awareness where the limitations of physical existence—time, space, separation—dissolve completely. One fascinating perspective reveals that at higher levels of spiritual development, one begins to recognize that "we're all in the same room," not losing individuality but transcending physical barriers that normally separate beings.
"To tell anybody what the eighth dynamic is before they can see it is an overt act," L. Ron Hubbard cautioned. Yet discussing the pathway toward this awareness proves invaluable for those seeking to fully experience all eight dynamics. We examine how the Scientology approach differs from traditional religious concepts while still acknowledging parallels with both Eastern and Western spiritual traditions.
Perhaps most transformative is the realization that approaching life from an "infinity viewpoint" fundamentally changes everything. When you recognize yourself as an infinite being temporarily operating in a finite physical universe, priorities shift dramatically. The concerns that dominate physical existence become secondary to expanding spiritual awareness and capability.
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All right and welcome to another Scientology Outside of the Church podcast. This is Friday, august 22nd 2025, in the year of our Lord, and the title of this is going to be Independent Scientologists Discuss God, the Eighth Dynamic. So, this could go anywhere. Literally, that's actually a multi-layered pun.
Speaker 3:And you'll see why as we get into the topic.
Speaker 1:That's right. So the mysterious 8th dynamic is going to be our topic and it's brought to you by ao-gporg and the college of independent Scientologycom. Different AI platforms, both FIN on the college and aogporg, and our trusty Oracle SuperDuper AI that gives citable references and you can download them as well. That's available on the college. So we're going to get started and this is the best way to do research for podcasts and Quentin pretty much uses it every podcast and and probably off as well as do I in auditing. So we're going to get going on this and, uh, so the definition of the eight dynamic what is the eight dynamic part of the one through eight dynamics in scientology? Quentin, do you want to spearhead the definition of the eight dynamic for it?
Speaker 3:I'm not looking at it that specifically right now. Do you have it pulled up? Yeah, I do.
Speaker 1:The eighth dynamic is the urge towards existence as infinity, and this is something that that even I struggled with when I was young, trying to understand it Also identified as the supreme being. Key characteristics, the symbol and name. It's called the eighth dynamic because the symbol of infinity stood upright, makes the numeral eight. Interesting point here that if you're new to Scientology and you see the Scientology, the book of basics, zero to eight, it actually means zero to infinity. Or if you see some of the more advanced books, eight hyphen 80, that is infinity hyphen, infinity to zero. And 8,008 is infinity to zero, zero, zero to infinity. Maybe clear up a couple of misunderstood there on what, why the titles of these books have this eight in it. So this can be called infinity or the god dynamic.
Speaker 1:The eight dynamic represents the urge towards survival through a supreme being or more exactly, infinity. It encompasses the infinite potential of the creator. Important distinctions non-intrusion principle. It's carefully observed. The science of Scientology does not intrude into the dynamic of the supreme being. God reveals himself through spiritual revelation, something you become aware of, and his essence cannot be described in terms of his created objects. I think that's an important point. His essence cannot be described in terms of his created objects.
Speaker 2:So you said in the first part of that is where we become aware of the God dynamic. Is that how it was written?
Speaker 1:It is the God dynamic.
Speaker 2:Yes, so, going by just that god dynamic, does that mean we see life as god, as opposed to god being separate to us, like when you are the god dynamic? Does that mean you are being god?
Speaker 3:When you are the.
Speaker 1:God dynamic, does that mean?
Speaker 3:you are being God.
Speaker 1:Well, that's something you said. Go ahead Go ahead.
Speaker 3:I can't see you guys, oh sorry. To develop spiritually, their recognition and ability to live through all of their eight dynamics expands right. And so at any moment, at any time, we're all experiencing all of our eight dynamics and it only cuts out to a degree based on wherever that person is on the tone scale, out to a degree based on wherever that person is on the tone scale, based on wherever that person is in their awareness. Characteristics Like those things are going to affect how a person experiences life through all their eight dynamics. It's only until a person, it's only when a person fully expands into the seventh dynamic that they realize their own eighth dynamic right, and what that means for them.
Speaker 3:So to, I guess, answer your question, art LRH says it this way in a lecture called the Dynamics. He says to tell anybody what the eighth dynamic is before they can see it, they can see the eight dynamic, is an overt act. So I wouldn't begin to tell you what the eight dynamic is before you can see it. Discussing it is so important to anyone who is at that level of wanting to experience fully all eight dynamics for themselves, and I think that's the reason we're having this conversation right, to open up that dialogue about you know what is this? How do we experience that? Where do we need to go to get to that awareness?
Speaker 2:And I think it really depends on what the definition of God is. Do you guys have the tech dictionary there? Like, is there a definition for God in the technical dictionary?
Speaker 1:Because I'm not at my laptop, I mean look, I don't think there is one for God, but I'm looking real quick.
Speaker 2:Because I've just Googled it and the eighth dynamic. In Scientology, existence is divided into eight dynamics or urges towards survival. The eighth dynamic is the urge toward existence as infinity Right which, if I understand it, it's when you will understand and experience and know infinity, which is also identified as the same supreme being or God, so you'll understand your existence as a God-like being.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's no definition for God in the technical dictionary, the Scientology and Dianetics technical dictionary. Yeah, so your awareness of the infinite.
Speaker 2:Or infinite awareness.
Speaker 1:Right, infinity encompasses the infinite potential of the creator. Now, from my viewpoint, at the opposite end of the bridge, I look at it as you know. Can you, or should you look at it from a viewpoint of the physical universe or the theta universe, the physical universe being matter, energy, space and time, because time is not supposedly infinite. From our viewpoint, in our infancy on this planet, if you notice, you notice, you notice the word infancy, infinite, the key word. Okay, so infinity means what? What is what? What's the definition of infinity? Can one of you guys pull that up? All that endlessness?
Speaker 3:yeah let me give you the exact definition. Hold on second. So infinity is the state or quality of being infinite, a number greater than any assignable quantity or countable number. The symbol infinite literally is that, and it says an infinite or very great number or amount. It comes from the word infinitus. Yeah, without number. Right, closest thing we have A space or quantity or period that is without limit.
Speaker 1:Right Now, the only thing we have in the technical dictionary is under infinity-valued logic and he says in Dianetics there's a new way of thinking about things which underlies a great deal of its technology. Instead of two-valued logic or three-valued logic, we have infinity-valued logic. Here's a gradient scale which permits no absolute at either end.
Speaker 1:In other words, I gotta get the book in front of me, get closer to the mic here. In other words, there is not an absolute right and absolute wrong, just as there is no absolute stillness and no absolute motion. Of course, it is one of the tenets of dianetics that absolutes are not obtainable, but only approachable.
Speaker 2:Okay, it also says it also says to see logic.
Speaker 1:Okay, now again, this is yeah, infinity right here yeah, infinity, valued logic, because infinity itself is not defined by LRH in the Dianetics and Scientology Technical Dictionary. So it is. It seems redundant, but infinity doesn't have a left or a right, it doesn't have an end over here or an end over there. And so when you look at infinity from a matter energy, space and time viewpoint in the physical universe, it isn't. The physical universe is finite. You got the edge, the, the physical universe is, is finite. You got the edge of the galaxy over here and you got the edge of the galaxy over there. You got the edge of the universe here. And they say the the universe is ever expanding. How they, how they can say that I do not know. Uh, it sounds like a supposition more than it does a fact, because of, well, you know that little thing called speed of light and how long it takes to travel and all that stuff. So, um, you know and you're dealing with scientists that that may or may not understand what infinite means. So it's an interesting contrast.
Speaker 1:Go ahead. It's an interesting contrast Go ahead.
Speaker 2:It's an interesting contrast from the first dynamic. You know the physical body, survival, knowing who you are, all the way to the other end of the spectrum, which is an infinite being, and like just that contrast right there, I think, is really interesting as well, because? One, because they're both in the Mest Universe, because I think to observe the Eighth Dynamic and to know that you're in the Eighth Dynamic, you need to be in the Mest Universe. But then the awareness of that takes you beyond the Mest Universe as well, and so it's like you're going from the first dynamic, which is all Mest, all the way up to something that takes you beyond missed right, yeah, and, and you know from my own experience up the bridge and, uh, getting it didn't happen until late new ot7, um.
Speaker 1:And then, after I finished that, I did Excalibur because I'd ran out of road with LRH's bridge and I became aware of the we're all in the same room thing, which I've mentioned in a few of the other podcasts. That you know you can find any other terminal being just by looking, but you're not looking with your eyes, you're just perceiving and you're going. Okay, there is no matter energy, space or time, and for me, the eighth dynamic that defines the eighth dynamic for me that you know we're not all one, which you see a lot here on planet earth, unfortunately. We are not all one, we are distinct individuals and in in so doing you start to see that there's an infinity there because there isn't any time, space, distance. We're all right there. There isn't this linear thing that you've got going on. You know it takes. It takes three hours to get, get to los angeles from kansas city type of a thing. Or it takes 15 hours to get from kansas city to atlanta, to south africa, or los angeles to new york is five hours or whatever. It's just boom, boom, that's, that's how it works and that's.
Speaker 1:And you look at that and you go, okay, did anybody create this? I mean, you know, I've I've had I've dealt with incidents on uh, l10, uh, on the l rundowns, where I came up with okay, so I, I was sent out to go forth, sort of like the silver surfer from uhactica's type of a thing, at the beginning of the you know, your silver surfboard, sort of a thing as a Thayton, and off you go and it came off as like a seed and there's just, but I, you know, I don't look at that to just get. I have to give it some physical universe definition in order to describe it, because there really isn't any word for it. It was a part of a greater whole, but that greater whole was not what's the word I'm looking for, perfect or anything like that. It was just okay, you're going out from me and I'm taking part of me and you can have your own experiences and do your own thing and you can create and everything and let me know how it goes.
Speaker 1:And then one day quote-unquote long into the future, there was nobody to report back to. So, if you wanted to put that in modern terms, god said go forth my son and experience my creation. And then you wrote an email, dear God, here's what I found out today. And God never wrote back and it was instantaneous that that communication line wasn't there anymore. That was my experience on l11. Does that mean or excuse me, l10, that does that mean that? Uh well, quentin, you'd be better to to see. Give me some, some comparable magnitudes from a biblical viewpoint, and you as well I'm waiting, I know I can see you like are you, are you done with your flow?
Speaker 1:So anyway, what's?
Speaker 3:the other.
Speaker 1:What's the other side of this Is that similar to what, what, what we see in the much more recent texts in the last couple thousand years, or or what, Because I don't. I don't look at it as this is. This person that I have to say takes care of everything and all that stuff, because I was given full, a full uh, a full range of what I could do and what I couldn't do. You can do whatever you want. Let me know what happens I'll stop there I love it.
Speaker 2:I love it are there um, this is a really interesting subject. I really, yeah, my mind is thinking so many different things, hey, and I'm trying to because, like you're right, like, as far as like, if I want to travel to the edge of the galaxy, all I've got to do is think about it and I'm there. If I want to think of New York, I just think of it and it appears I'm there already in my mind. Now I'm at the point in this stage of my journey up the bridge where to me, it's just an image that I created, as opposed to knowing that I'm there. Does that make sense? Go ahead, does that make sense? Um, go ahead. To you, it's just an image, it's an image that you guys created.
Speaker 3:I think it cut out for a second. So you well, I was just trying to understand.
Speaker 2:What you're saying to you is just the image that you created rather than knowing you're actually there yes, so, and I think I think the difference between um postulating being in new york, even though I'm in malaysia at the moment um, you know, I'm still stuck with my physical body having to be there as opposed to theta being there and I'm I don't know. I'm just trying to, I'm just trying to work out this eighth dynamic and I'm just thinking all sorts of different things. Where is that? Where is that going?
Speaker 3:what I'll say is this and I love having this conversation number one, number two, I love having it with both of you because the simple magnitude of the conversation lends from like maybe three or maybe multiple different number one lived experiences, as well as different belief systems or different ways of coming up, or whatever case it be. But I'll say this I did not understand the Bible fully, or God, as it were, until I started studying Scientology, and it was in studying Scientology and comparing because LRH talks about knowledge being comparable, knowledge of comparable magnitude, and looking at the logics and looking at the axioms, understanding how these things correlate and how they compare and how they intersect with one another. And also the cues, by the way. The cues, something really really good that you can study, really really good that you can study. But when I started studying Scientology and comparing it to what I knew and understood of other faith practices and I studied many it made so much sense to me. So now, when I understand the eighth dynamic, or God, or infinite, supreme being, or infinity, scripture says something like this Scripture says God is both alpha and omega, beginning and end, first and last right, and God is the author and the finisher. Right, the author and the finisher of our faith. And so when I hear that now, obviously it's going to be worded, through whatever context or whatever tradition or story whatever, that it live and survive through, in and as, through in and as the dynamics. Right, so I'm living through the first dynamic, in or as the first dynamic. I'm living through my second dynamic as my second. I'm surviving through these things. That's a part of my survival experience, through these things. That's a part of my survival experience.
Speaker 3:And then to read about the logic right, and he says two-value logic would be. Aristotle came up, formulated two-value logic, which is right or wrong. That's two-value logic. Three-value logic would be right, wrong, or maybe Some things are ambiguous or some things are just neutral, right, wrong, or maybe, well, infinity-valued logic is a spectrum that moves from infinite wrongness to infinite rightness. There's no end, there's no beginning, there's no end. And so when, when one can start to think from an infinity valued logic, when one can start to live from an infinity valued logic infinite rightness, infinite wrongness when one can start to move through their life and understand, you're surviving through, in and as your eight dynamics.
Speaker 3:Who are you? Let's go back to the earlier podcast. Who are you? Why is it so important that you come up with your own personal policies? God, I mean you. Why is it so important that you move through this thing and, starting with self, starting with first dynamic, expand, expand, expand, expand, expand, expand all the way out to the A's, till you start to understand what it is, that you get to explore this stuff in the comfort of your own home, sitting down with somebody who wants you to see.
Speaker 3:And look. He said look, don't listen. Now a lot of churches and a lot of religions tell you to listen. You sit down and listen to the pastor, listen to what we preach to you, listen to. Lra says look, don't listen. Listen to the pastor, listen to what we're preaching to you, listen to the, you know. Or he says look, don't listen. Right, right, yeah.
Speaker 3:And so then, helping you, take a look and looking as far as an infinity value, logic, as far back, right, keep on looking and you start to see some things and you start to be aware of some things and your awareness characteristics go up and up and up and up and up, up the bridge. Life starts to take on a whole different color, right, life starts to take on a whole different meaning now, you're not this um little creature trying to make your way to new york, right? You're a co-creator, co-creating this whole thing, co-creat. You're a co-creator, co-creating this whole thing, co-creating New York, co-creating Malaysia, co-creating South Africa, co-creating the world, co-creating the universe. And so you said something earlier, jonathan, when you mentioned about. You know, we're not all one, right, we're not all one Right. I think I saw something here. You said that we're not all one. What I'll say to that is is that we're not all one, but in infinity it's infinite diversity in infinite combinations, or the writings of Surak Infinite diversity in infinite combinations. And so you get infinite diversity and infinite combinations.
Speaker 1:And so you get this infinite diversity. Go ahead. No, that's right, go ahead.
Speaker 3:Finish your flow, sure, you get this infinite diversity and infinite combinations, and therefore you're able to get all logic, all knowledge, all experience, all creation, all life. Infinite diversity and infinite combinations. That, to me, is the eight dynamic.
Speaker 1:I'm not telling you what it is. I'm just telling you my viewpoint. Right, right, don't go committing an overthink. Quinn, thank you you are, you are absolved and let's define that, you know, okay. So here's, here's a bean, a little bit of a bean burner to use. Uh, what was her name in in, uh, the matrix that neo goes to see trinity the oracle.
Speaker 1:Yeah, trinity was his quote unquote. Yeah, trinity was sort of his girlfriend and the Oracle was the one that he went to see with the kid that could bend the spoon and all that. This is a little bit of a bean burger here, the Oracle.
Speaker 1:So and this is based off of what I've found in auditing above. Ot7, is new OT7, lr7 is new ot7, lrh is new ot7 is that a thetan is capable of creating theta. Right, and when a thetan is capable of creating theta, a thetan can do the same thing that I was just describing. From whence my viewpoint of the infinite and a creator and all of that stuff is. You're spun off, sort of, and again, this is just my experience, my viewpoint, and what's true for you is true for you, and I'm just like Quentin said, this is just my viewpoint. I was spun off from somewhere else to go forth and explore and report back and experience anything, do anything and let me know what happens.
Speaker 1:You can do the same thing. You can do the same thing certain degree as you increase your attention units. It could be said that you know, in the beginning you only have 100 attention units. We talked about that a lot and Hallerace talks about that in Dianetics and Modern Science of Mental Health, science of Survival and all that stuff. But see, that's not infinite. You only have 100 attention units. That's finite. That's the opposite of infinite.
Speaker 1:Yeah, once you get on, the ot levels and you start acquiring more of your innate abilities, your awareness, your ability to create. You're going to be able to do the same thing where you can spin off and and I almost want to use a modern term an agent, if you will. They talk about AI agents, where it's a little portion of the AI that you say work on my new logos for me for the next 24 hours and give me the best one that you think I'll like, type of a thing, sort of like that, and you can create another Thet. Okay, that's again.
Speaker 1:This is my viewpoint but see this is, this is the viewpoint for me of the eighth dynamic is I'm, I'm gonna be, I might be blasphemous, but we're all gods and we can send this stuff, stuff out there, and that, in that you're doing the same thing and have have the ability returned to you, that you can sit there and you can say, okay, go forth and create and, uh, do anything you want and let me know what happens.
Speaker 1:You can do that and you're not, not even you're not losing your. You're not losing any attention units. You're actually gaining attention units by so expanding.
Speaker 2:Yeah, all right, you want to say something, and even yeah, because even biblically, when god created man, he created man in his image and his likeness. Um, and it's funny because, like in the Bible, it says God created man in his image, and so that's saying we're literally created as God is. If you want to be literal about it, you know, if we were created in the image of God, then that means we're the same as God, then that means we're the same as God. And it's funny because the words are so black and white and I can't understand how people can mess it up. You know what I mean. How do you mess that up?
Speaker 2:It's so direct and then, interestingly, as well as the story goes, in the creation story, adam and Eve kind of go backwards, right, they, they sort of fall into the flesh. So they've, they've started at the eighth dynamic and then gone back to the first dynamic, whereas we're starting from the first dynamic, building our way up to the eighth dynamic. And they were already there. They already were, were the eighth dynamic in their purest form. But then, through their sin and through temptation and those kinds of things, then they became flesh, they fell into the messed universe, whereas we're born outside of the messed universe, into the messed universe, trying to work our way back up to the godlike dynamic so we can have Eden once again. Eden once again, so to speak, where we are infinite with our surrounds, where we are infinite with this earth and the universe. And I'm kind of thinking as well, perhaps, natives that haven't been brought up in the way that we have they're probably closer to the eighth dynamic I'll just kind of think of, like the aboriginal australian, like they were so in tune with the animals, with the nature, with the stars, with spirits, like just their philosophies are so in tune that I don't think we can comprehend it being brought up in buildings, being brought up in the way we are, um, in these, these societies, all these laws and rules and fines and taxes and all this kind of stuff, I think, really prevents us from having the ability to perceive what it could be like being a god when yeah yeah
Speaker 3:you know. I think it's interesting because Jonathan started off by also talking about how we exist as a thetan can create theta, qualitative, Like when you're able to understand who you are and you're able to send forth your disciples. I'm going somewhere here. Okay, when you're able to send forth that which represents you or re-presents you, re-presents you R-E hyphen that what ends up happening is. What ends up happening is is that you then become omnipresent. You become omnipresent, you become omniscient, right, All-knowing, you become omnipotent, all-powerful. Power is just the ability to get results. Stop being all spooky. Right, Power is just the ability to get results. Whatever the result is the creation of an effect. Right, Axiom 10. And so, to become all powerful, you use your disciples, you use your, which you send out. Now catch this. All of this is metaphorical, allegorical, but when you understand the generation, the degeneration and the regeneration of consciousness, when you understand the awareness characteristics that you, where is it on the awareness characteristics, Jonathan? Source. Source is, yeah, source is around OT3.
Speaker 1:OT3?.
Speaker 3:Yeah, ot3, you actually get to source, right Source, and you got to get there to get there you. This is why going up the bridge made so much sense, because it's literally regenerating consciousness, rehabilitating your innate abilities, recapturing your own awareness characteristics so that you can be up at source and above Hello. And so this thing that when we talk about the eight dynamic, when we talk about God and, as independent Scientologists, when we're talking about this, we ain't talking about you know, I don't want to get're we're we're talking about understanding the fullness of who you are. You are so much like that that I can't see where you in and that begins. There's no, there's no ending to you, there's no beginning to you.
Speaker 3:You are infinite, you are theta, you are spirit, you are gods, and when you understand this and it's written all throughout scripture too, by the way. So you got any questions, put it in the comments below, I'll tell you how it worked but ye are gods and indeed children of the most high. Psalms 82, verse 6, isn't it written that ye are guys? Luke, chapter 17, it's all throughout scripture go ahead and it's interesting because like to have that.
Speaker 2:It's not from a perspective, it's all perspectives, which makes it perspective less so you can't observe, you can't observe god or infinity from anyone? Yeah, that's right. You can't observe from any angle other than recognizing that infinity is infinity.
Speaker 1:You know right right, and that's that's, that's pan determinism, but the thing is where people get caught up on this and this again, this is my viewpoint.
Speaker 1:Yes, estimation where they get caught up on this is they're. They're looking at it from the viewpoint of a body. You're walking around in this meat puppet with 52 perceptions. It's just basically a big sensor array in the physical universe and you're like, well, if I can't see it, it didn't happen. If I can't know it, it isn't knowable. But you're doing that from the viewpoint of a body because most I mean I'm not even gonna say most of the time anybody that I approach and say, okay, recall a pleasure moment. You're the best pleasure moment you've got, and we've talked about this in other podcasts and I get them to look at if they're and to go back to the other podcast who are you? Who are you really Okay, if they're really being themselves as a Th thetan, and you get them to look at this, this picture on there that they've saved as a being in their analytical mind, of a pleasure moment. They see their body from the outside, externally, and they go oh my god, I've never thought about that.
Speaker 3:And I said, nobody experiences something pleasurable.
Speaker 1:That's right, that's right because it's not a it's, it's, it's not part of the reactive mind, it's because they are being themselves. And you're sitting there and I don't go this far in it, but in this podcast I can You're being, you are yourself. Yourself is not that body?
Speaker 1:And at that point you are now realizing you are wait for it infinite, because your perspective and your viewpoint is that you're looking at a movie on a playing field known as the messed universe, and you can look around and you can see in 300, and and I it's even unfair to say this, because we're dealing in physical universe concepts, and that's the hardest thing about this to get across is you're looking as a, as a thing. You don't have a perspective from, uh, let's say, this angle to that angle. You can only see what your eyes can see. You can see everything around you and you're like, wait a minute, it's almost like being in a video game, where you see everything at the same time. Okay, video games are manufactured in such a way that you're looking at it from a perspective of having a body, but you can look around. If you could look around all the way, you're just like I'm on the holodeodeck, for lack of a better term, and it's all there, and so you are aware of self.
Speaker 1:That is the infinite. You are the infinite. It is not this body that can only perceive these things, and when you start to get that, you go oh, okay, so if, if, if, uh, something caused that body to stop working, I'm still around. Well, that's because you're infinite. So the 8th dynamic is you. You're not going anywhere. You can't kill a Phaeton.
Speaker 2:It's interesting. It's interesting because there's no words you can actually use to describe it at all, because in order for you to observe it, then you haven't reached it. Recognizing that you have observed it, you failed at being it. Um, using the word itself doesn't actually describe it. Um, there's like it's, it's such a it's hard to comprehend with our brains.
Speaker 1:Yeah with. Well, your brain isn't going to do it, and even just me saying that is an incorrect statement, Right exactly Because you're trying to describe something in the terms of a limited plane of the physical universe. The physical universe is not.
Speaker 2:And it's impossible.
Speaker 1:A limited viewpoint. It's impossible. Yeah, it's impossible. So it's, it's a conceptual understanding that, uh, and to even say, just like what you said, almost uh, I, I live forever because you're looking at it from the viewpoint of english terms, of what I is, and all of that, it is just right, I am all right, I'm going to end this podcast, because infinity is wordless, nameless, speechless, littlest, imageless, uh, knowingness, perspectiveness, any.
Speaker 1:The entire dictionary in all languages cannot describe what we're trying to describe right, right it and, and that and Right and that is an infinite concept because it leaves everything open. That is the art dynamic.
Speaker 2:Yeah. But the interesting thing, is there is a path to it which makes it really interesting. Yes, there is a process to achieve it and reach it Right, which I find really interesting.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Rene Descartes, famous philosopher, said I think, therefore, I am, and the word and Jonathan kind of touched on this in his viewpoint along the 7th dynamic and OT7, I think you said that the word exist to exist comes from the Latin word stister, which is an infinitive. I cause, I place myself is really what it means I stand or I place myself. This is what it means. So from the Latin word, which means I place myself, and X, which is out, of, that's you coming into existence, are you being in existence? You're existing, right, with no beginning, no end. You existing, and when you exist, you place yourself, per the latin derivation of the word. I'm just just looking at the word I place myself and I stand. X means out of, and so, out of infinity, out of infinity, a dynamic, I place myself. First, dynamic right exist, existo, exist here, I, out of infinity, I place myself. Boom, boom, drop, mic, yeah.
Speaker 1:Right. So at that point you get this.
Speaker 2:You have to displace yourself to go back to infinity.
Speaker 1:Well, and that's the point. At the time that you make that statement, you are saying made a contract with myself and boom, I've agreed to become aberrated because now I exist. Right, Does that make?
Speaker 2:sense.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I had to place myself here in order to be here and dang. Why did I do that?
Speaker 1:Right, right and oh, look at those arrows coming towards me all of a sudden, you know, or whatever, because you don't have to do that if you don't want to. Because when you look at the and I'm sorry, I'm just going to say it again, and I know we say it in podcast after podcast after podcast if you know, you're already going to know which is infinity itself. You're already going to know and you're going to say okay, thayton has to agree to become aberrated in order to exist, because you already are. But you're saying I exist, okay, I'm in a playing field, I'm in the video game, and what are the rules of this video game? And then, oh, there's this, the solidity.
Speaker 1:And oh, wait, because there isn't. There isn't at all, it's just the fact that you've convinced yourself that there is, and that's's the thing. That's how we're all in the same room is when you're not doing that and you step outside the body and go I'm a thetan, I can perceive anything I want to. And then you come back and the meter says read through the body. Oh, there's that person. Hey, I haven't seen you in a long time, but you're not seeing a picture of them. You're not seeing their face, you just know that they are. You're getting in communication with another being that's on the other side of the universe in some cases because there is no other side of the universe.
Speaker 1:You have to step out of that uh holodeck, if you, of the physical universe, and when you become aware of this, everything and everyone is there. There's no time, space, speed, distance, none of that stuff. And that includes knowing Right. And you have to dumb yourself down to exist and to say, okay, now I'm back into the video game and this is that. But see, the whole point of this podcast, the eighth dynamic is you need look no further for the eighth dynamic in infinity than I am, I am myself and I can do the same thing and create other little of myself and I can say go forth and experience in the theta universe, and if they decide to exist, that's up to them or they can do something else, and so that sort of describes infinity.
Speaker 3:It's very hard to describe in words. Infinity, it's very hard to describe in words. I remember when I was young I had I created this friend. His name was billy and I created this friend named billy and I really, really loved billy and me and billy had a really, really good time together. And when I got a certain age I can't remember what age it was now, but when I got a certain age, billy and this is the way I'm going to say it, because I didn't understand what it meant at the time, but this is what I would say Billy killed himself. Okay, and my friend, my little friend, billy, that I created, killed himself and he ceased to exist. I still remember Billy to this day. I can describe him, I can talk about him, I can have full stories about Billy. Billy was Billy, okay, and Billy decided to cease to exist, okay, and I remember creating Billy. And so what you just described, jonathan, when they decide to go on existing and do what they want to do or not, or whatever, it makes total sense to me. Yes, Right.
Speaker 1:So, and that comes down to why the seventh dynamic is the seventh dynamic because the seventh dynamic comes before the eighth dynamic. The seventh dynamic encompasses the entire entire spiritual universe, all forms of spiritual existence and awareness, whether they have specific identity or not. Billy or not billy, it's the realm of theta spirits and spiritual concepts that exist beyond the physical universe.
Speaker 2:So one bleeds into the other and again it words fail so would it be safe to say that the seventh dynamic is being able to observe the potential for infinity by seeing the other side, and then the eighth dynamic is actually being it, so going from perspective to what you're actually perceiving, and becoming the perception itself?
Speaker 1:yeah right, yeah, and and you also have to look at viewpoints, recognition and experience, right, viewpoints of dimension. When you say something like that, because to have a viewpoint, you're already, you're already and I hate to use the word fail, but you're all, you've already dumbed it down because a viewpoint requires what? Dimension? Dimension, yeah. How do you have, how do you have a viewpoint without having dimension, dimension, voice. But if you just know, now you're talking about infinity, because there's no dimension is, you know it's, it's no dimension is required. You need not apply for dimension because you already know. Forget that. I don't need dimension, it just is. It just is yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you know it's interesting because, like even looking at like the other things that stem from Scientology during the period, you know the remote viewing programs, the psychic work, all that kind of stuff coming out of Scientology as well. You know the CIA's relationship, all those kindsology as well. You know the cia's relationship, um, all those kinds of things.
Speaker 1:Um, you know stargate, like all all that stuff that stemmed from this tech, which is really interesting as well yeah, yeah, I was just talking to one of my pre-OTs yesterday who is in touch with the remote viewing community. Quote unquote, and inexplicably so, nobody in the remote viewing quote unquote exteriorization. And when I say exteriorization from the body and being able to and again words fail going into the future, on the track, the timeline in the physical universe, which requires a viewpoint of dimension, I might add, they're all coming up with similar, similar outcomes without having to talk to each other. They're not looking for anything, they're just viewing into the future of the time track, the agreed upon physical universe, that these certain things are going to occur. And then they're coming back and saying I got this and I got this and I got this and I got this, and they're all similar outcomes in the physical universe.
Speaker 1:But they're, they're, they're taking a viewpoint of dimension but at the same time, they're going into something that not is, that is something that might be, because they're perceiving it from their own viewpoint, their own viewpoint of dimension that they're, they're putting out there and perceiving because they're getting viewpoints of dimension back from beings in present time and what's being put out there instead of there just being one answer. And it's not that I look at that community or anything. This is just something that was told to me and I thought isn't that interesting that there are these different outcomes and everything from these viewpoints going out looking at it. But they're exteriorizing to go look at it. So there's an agreed upon level or middle ground on the whole thing.
Speaker 3:Go ahead, guys which, which is reality? Right, reality is an agreed upon, agreed upon viewpoints, viewpoints that are agreed upon as dimension points, and therefore we get reality. I think that when we look at life from the eighth dynamic to make sure I got it, say it right. But when we look at life from the eighth dynamic viewpoint, what ends up happening is life becomes, in my opinion, less complex. Right, life can come from the perspective of infinity, right. And then when you see life from the perspective of infinity, and the infinitude of life, the infinitude of your own existence, the infinitude of all, that is when you see it, I mean down to the very atom, down to the very electron, neutron, proton, down to the very string theory, whatever you want to call it, if you want to look at it from a physics perspective, when you look at life from an infinity viewpoint, there is no distance, there is no separation.
Speaker 3:If you want to make money, if you want to, and that's something that you enjoy and that's something that you want to have and experience, okay, who are you being? Y'all know where I'm finna go with this. Who are you being and what do you do? However, you do your do. However, you do your do and what do you do? However, you do your do. However, you do your do because I do my do.
Speaker 3:Ok, what are you, who are you being and what do you do so that you can have what you say you want creator, so that you can increase and expand your awareness characteristics, in order to be able to do this from an OT perspective, to be at complete cause over life, matter, energy, space, time and thought. Come on, man, what are we talking about here? Why is this still a conversation? Why are you still sitting there waiting for register? Call me, go to the feed, go to the website. What are we talking about here? Because there's no other way to live. I'm telling you now, when you look at life from this perspective, you'll get to a place where you say there's no other way to live. Why would I live any other way?
Speaker 1:than God. Right, and I wanted to point out with what I was talking about as far as with the remote viewers and everything and this may or may not be a mind blower of a statement, but the thing is is that there were an infinity of outcomes coming from these people who were remote viewing. Yes, isn't that interesting. And then if you say to somebody who's going up the bridge and they're like well, what do you, what do you think about all this, jonathan, quentin and arthur and everything, my answer would be what do you want to have happen? What do you want to have happen in the future on planet Earth? Yeah, there's an infinity of outcomes.
Speaker 1:What, what is your Infinity of outcomes?
Speaker 1:And what is finite that you want to have happen in this piddly little restrictive physical universe?
Speaker 1:Because, well, in the end, ultimately it doesn't, doesn't really matter outside of the survival of you or the species or whatever. You're going to be around, baby, you're going to be around and that's all there is to it. So you could do something to help it, or you could do something to hurt it, or you could do nothing and you could let other people decide, out of an infinity of outcomes, what's going to happen, and you can't limit yourself to the physical universe. You, you have to be able to grant yourself the beingness of you are infinity, that's all there is to it. And uh, get there and understand this concept, because it's very, very difficult to describe in words, in film, anything having to do with the physical universe. It's something you have to realize about yourself and that infinity and God are the same thing, and you, my friend, thing and you, my friend, are a god. If you so choose to accept that, that uh, opportunity and regain what it was and is, and responsibility, and responsibility right, because if you fall, away you fall away from that.
Speaker 1:well, now there's a finite, not an infinite already, not an infinite, alrighty.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:This is a pretty cool.
Speaker 2:This is actually a really cool topic and all I have to say is it's wordless. Yeah, yeah, it's. It's knowing, and I think it probably defines the definition of Scientology to the core knowing how to know and there is a difference between knowing and knowing. And I think, as a small example, it's like knowing there's beef stroganoff and then there's knowing how to make beef stroganoff with a recipe.
Speaker 2:And then there's just knowing how to make beef stroganoff. And then there's knowing how to make make beef stroganoff with a recipe, and then there's just knowing how to make beef stroganoff.
Speaker 1:Right, right, and, and, and that's. That's an infinite right there, if, if, if our listeners Right, so we can't go on infinitely with this podcast we've, we've we've, we've described, we define it, did we define it?
Speaker 1:did we talk about it from our own viewpoints of dimension? Inside a box there is a physical universe and and in a podcast, and all of this stuff from the micro to the macro and beyond the macro, because it's not macro anymore when it's infinite, if that makes sense. Right, that's a pun. So we hope you've enjoyed this podcast and you too can be part of the eight dynamic. It's just a matter of knowing, and that is an infinite concept that you will find through auditing and training and really wrap your knowingness around this. I'm not even going to use a body part as a metaphor or anything like that. Just learn how to be be yourself and you will realize what the infinite and what quote unquote god is. But when you enter in that God thing, all of a sudden you think it's something else and then it's an image and you've dropped back down into it.
Speaker 1:Don't do that. Don't do that, don't do that.
Speaker 3:My grandma used to say don't be silly. Yeah, yeah, she used to say don't be silly.
Speaker 1:Don't be silly, to quote matrix. You know, free your mind. You know, don't think in terms of a program that you're, you're, you've agreed to be a part of step outside of that program. So for arthur quentin and myself have an infinite degree of possibilities and no namaste, and we love you. Bye-bye, thank you, thank you Thanks for watching.