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SE11EP25 - Independent Scientologists Talk Politics and LRH
The political landscape worldwide has become increasingly divisive and troubling, but what if there was a way to understand these shifts through a lens developed decades ago? In this thought-provoking episode, we dive deep into L. Ron Hubbard's political scale – a framework created in the late 1930s that maps government systems to the tone scale.
From republics down through democracy, social democracy, fascism, and communism, Hubbard observed that nations inevitably spiral downward over time. We explore what this means for current global politics and how to recognize where your government truly sits on this scale, beyond party labels or campaign promises.
Most crucially, we discuss how this knowledge empowers independent Scientologists to "exteriorize" from political manipulation. When citizens are kept busy with survival problems and low awareness, they become easy to control. But through auditing, study tech, and raising one's IQ, individuals can transcend the matrix of political games while maintaining self-determinism.
This isn't about partisan positions – it's about seeing the bigger picture. As Hubbard noted in 1957, "Only then can you have a democracy... if all citizens were able to understand and appreciate the issues before the government." Through remote auditing, online courses, and community support, independent Scientology offers practical tools to raise awareness and become "better citizens" – the true solution to our political challenges.
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Hi everyone and welcome to another Scientology Outside of the Church podcast. This is Season 11, episode 25. I can't believe it's 25 already on Season 11. But here we are on Thursday, august, the 28th 2025, and it's been an interesting few weeks. And it's been an interesting few weeks politically and geo-economically and things are getting even more interesting by the minute. So I thought it an interesting topic to talk about the incredibly divisive subject of politics and what independent Scientology and LRH's viewpoint on politics are. And this is going to get juicy and we aren't taking any political sides or anything like that. We're looking at it more from a macro viewpoint than we are anything else, so don't get your panties in a bunch if you're listening.
Speaker 2:So don't shoot the messenger don't shoot the messenger.
Speaker 1:Is is the idea, but it's going to be on politics. So first off, uh, it'd be important to note that LRH has a political scale and that political scale is based off of a reference from 17 March 1969. So that would have been 56 years ago. And LRH says that there is a scale that was taken from Excalibur. Excalibur was an unpublished book written in the very late 1930s. Let me repeat that the very late 1930s. Only fragments of it remain.
Speaker 1:By placing it against the tone scale developed at the end of 1950s, certain political philosophies are better estimated by then. Looking up these tone characteristics in science of survival, much can be learned and the ideologies are thus made easier to predict or handle. And at the top of this scale, what do you think Quentin should be? I'm here with Quentin Stroud, arthur's on his way to Quentin's at the moment. So the whole gang is here and, barring any internet difficulties for Arthur in his Uber, well, we'll all be participating. So back to the politics scale based off of LRH's reference of the same name. Quentin, should we go from the bottom to the top or the top to the bottom? Probably from the bottom to the top, don't you think?
Speaker 2:I think the top to the bottom.
Speaker 1:Top to the bottom.
Speaker 2:Because, let me say this, when we look at this scale and we're going to go over in a second but when we look at this scale, we're talking about how, when you look at a nation and I want you to spot, if you can, where, wherever you are listening, because we have listeners all over the world I want you to spot where our political system, if you will, our governments, are on this scale. Again, we're not taking any size, we're just looking at it as an observation. And when we look at this thing, per LRH, like, let's see where the nation lands, where the government lands, and then what's going to happen, because he goes into a little bit in depth into what's happening with them as they interact with one another, up into what's happening with them as they interact with one another. So at the top we have the republic. You want to talk a little?
Speaker 1:bit about that. Yeah, republic 3.0 is where it's at in comparison to the tone scale, and 3.0 is where on the tone scale. I don't have one in front of me at the moment. You, 3.0 is where on the tone scale, quentin, I don't have one in front of me at the moment.
Speaker 2:You Can, you guys, hear me?
Speaker 1:Yeah, where's Republic on the tone scale? No, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:My internet dropped out Say that again.
Speaker 1:Okay, where's Republic on the tone scale 3.0 is what on the tone scale 3.0 is? What on the tone scale 3.0 is?
Speaker 2:cheerfulness 3.0 is cheerfulness. You got cheerful, happy people living life, cooking apple pies and sitting them in windows and whatnot. You got people being safe and men marrying and women being given in marriage so everybody's cheerful.
Speaker 1:It's not something you see very often, but it does happen in a republic is there and then democracy is at 2.5, social democracy is at 2.0, fascism is at at 1.5, which was easy anger. Communism, 1.1, covert hostility and then anarchism at 0.0 on the tone scale. He goes on to say the cycle of a nation goes on descending spiral down this scale. I repeat that the cycle of a nation goes on a descending spiral down this scale. Those two tones apart are not likely to fight. Those a tone apart fight seldom. Those a half tone apart are in continual conflict.
Speaker 1:As this was worked out before World War II, it is quite remarkable to see how true it is held and how each one has taken something from its neighbors. I will not go into what lies above democracy, except that man is trying with his ideologies to solve mainly the problem of succession. History has seen other government forms work far more ideally than those named, but in none of these could one guarantee succession of the beneficial rule. Thus adherence to all forms of ideology can be made to agree that benign monarchy in quotes is an excellent form of government, but they discard it because a truly good, benign monarch is not necessarily succeeded by one in the next reign. So you could have a benign monarch who's a really cool guy and he gets a lot of stuff done, which there have been some.
Speaker 1:In history, at least recent history, few governments exist in pure form. He says note there are no major governments at this writing in 1969, above social democracy or the tone level of 2.0. So that gives us a little, a little bit ofa framework. Uh, and this was 56 years ago that he wrote this reference and we, we found a really, really good reference uh, from was it 1957?, I think, and there was a lecture given in 1957, december 30th, in the Ability Congress, creating a third dynamic United Survival Action Clubs.
Speaker 2:And so he talks about this. But I want to go into this real quick, because when he talked about this political tone scale, or this political scale, rather, he talked about republic being at the top, which is at 3.0, and a republic is a form of government where supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, rather than by a monarch or hereditary aristocracy. So a republic means that the people that are actually elected are actually representing the interests of the people. This is important. The people that are actually elected are actually representing the interests of the people, and I think this is really interesting because we think we live in a democratic republic, right, where people are elected and their interests are actually representing the interests of the people.
Speaker 2:But what happens when a bulk of money goes towards military funding or a bulk of money goes towards the FDA and drugs being approved in our society, or certain foods being released into the society that's making people sick and carcinogens and stuff like that? Are the interests of the people actually being represented by those that the people elected? That's why you know, that's how you know that you're not operating in a republic, okay, you're not operating in a republic. If anything, if it's, a supreme power is held by the people. So if anything is being done against the interests of the people, you've automatically dropped home, you've automatically fallen out of that category. And the people are not cheerful. The people are not happy. The people are not, you know, walking around in bliss and joy, because they're not actually getting what they need and want.
Speaker 1:Right, because there's a lack of representation due to vested interest.
Speaker 2:Exactly. And so the parties, the powers that be, are entering into the government and, whether it be lobbying, whether it be, like you said, uh, um, what they call them interest groups, certain interest groups and stuff like that, where they come in and they say, hey, we'll, we'll throw you guys a million dollars if you represent what we want to be representing in this bill or whatever. Who read the bill? Who knows right, the bill passes and now a ton of money or a ton of resources or a ton of whatever gets shifted over to this political interest group. Right, and therefore you know you're not standing in a true republic. Because you're not, your interests are not really being represented.
Speaker 1:I just want to make that point right, and if you, if you and you and I come from the United States and Arthur comes from Australia, and both of those countries are suffering from the same vested interests from the representatives, and the representatives is the executive branch In the United States. You've got your House and you've got your Senate, and then you have the quote-unquote commander-in-chief. And what we're seeing right now, in present time, on the 28th of August 2025, is what is it? A republic, a democracy, a social democracy, fascism, communism?
Speaker 1:Well, I guess it's a matter of opinion, but the interest is in, ultimately, power. Power equals either ego or personal interest, financially, or bias due to, as he stated, ideological, and I think that that's from what we're seeing, at least over here on this side of the Atlantic, in South africa. What I'm seeing off of uh local reports is we're quickly falling into uh, and I don't know what else to say, but it's falling into fascism. One five, yeah, on the cdei scale, it's, it's enforced, there's no, there's no denying it's, it's enforced, both ideologically enforced government yeah, and enforced government.
Speaker 1:You do what we tell you to do and you are not welcome in our country, type of a thing. So there's no representation for all of the people. It's clearly not a republic In Australia. I'm sure Arthur could have a few things to say about that. Australia is not an easy country to live in either. Go ahead, arthur. What were you going to say, quentin?
Speaker 2:Well, I was going to say and I think a lot of people think that, looking at a republic versus a democracy, I want you to notice that LRH even makes the distinction, even as a republic being at 3.0 and a democracy being at 2.5.
Speaker 2:This is really interesting, right, and 2.5 is what conservatism. And so this is really interesting because when you start to understand like I think a lot of people think that we are a republic because we elect people, right? Well, again, it goes in the interest of the people, or the interest of those that are leading versus those that are being led is vested in the people. This is different, right. And then it says a system of government by which the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives, so where government is done by the whole population or eligible I'm using air quotes, you can't see me on the podcast, but I'm using air quotes eligible members of a state. Now catch this when you're looking at a democracy, this is where you find what we have like electoral college. The electoral college, those are really the eligible members of the state.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's right, okay, those are the eligible members of the state. So when you have a true republic, a true republic is the supreme power rests with the people and the elected officials represent the interests of the people, in other words, what the people want. A democracy would be where the power is vested in the people. Isn't that interesting? So what does it mean to be vestedred or bestowed upon?
Speaker 1:Conferred or bestowed upon.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry, I'm winking guys. So now, in a democracy, power is conferred or bestowed upon the people. Well, who conferred it? Who bestowed it it? Some eligible members, some governing body, some authoritarian system that said you know what? We're going to give the people some power, we're going to give the people a voice, and so they bestow power upon the people this is a democracy and then say you can come back and say this is what we want, this is what we need I think, it's interesting yeah, and it's, it's.
Speaker 1:It's interesting to note that, um, in this last election, uh, part of what was happening, uh is that many, many, many people that were not part of the country were brought in, allowed in and bestowed the right to vote, even though they hadn't been naturalized citizens. This is what. This is what's been said. I can either confirm or deny. Yeah, I can either confirm or deny this allegedly allegedly that this is what happened.
Speaker 1:And and then you look at what where it's at now is. Now you're having this huge Gestapo-like push to remove these people from the roles of eligible voters because you have the haves and you have the have-nots in this so-called two-party system that, to me, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. When you have the Electoral College and, in so doing, the Electoral College, everybody votes, every citizen who is a registered voter in the United States in this example, once you're registered to vote, you can vote. But the thing is is that even of well, the term, gerrymandering is going on, where they're changing the lines that benefits the electoral college based off of where these people live. So many representatives get so many votes in the Electoral College.
Speaker 1:It doesn't really matter who votes the common man's vote, it only matters how many people are in this arbitrary circle saying who this is. And now they, they literally and I'm not going to use any party names, I'm sure our listeners already know about this, but one party is forcing the other party to be followed by police and escorted out, and they had to sign a document in the Texas I believe it's the Texas house and and that particular party could not leave without being followed by police, and they were going to be followed the whole time, and some of them decided to stay behind and not be told what to do. This is how far this has come. That is not a democracy. And they were successful in changing the lines that affect the Electoral College, which will then affect the 2026-11. That is not democracy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think we're making this point because and because when you understand what's happening, you understand that number one LRH talked about this years ago. You understand that number one LRH talked about this years ago, that LRH wrote about this in Excalibur in the late 1930s. Ok, so, almost 100 years ago now, because we're about to hit 1930, now 2025, 2026. Yeah, so so, so 90 years ago this was already discussed and spotted. It was spotted, this political scale, and what I love about being an independent Scientologist is because we see these things and that we know how to know. We know that we can now understand what's going on and you don't have to be afraid, you don't have to have anxiety and foolishness, you don't have to have all this stuff going on, because you can spot what's going on and you can govern yourself. Hear me, you can govern yourself accordingly level of self-determinism that allows you to move, live and have your being in a certain way. And so now catch this. We talked about a democracy, where, again, there's a difference between a republic and a democracy. The republic is supreme power by the people, of the people. A democracy is eligible members of a state that get to make credence or make some kind of judgments on your behalf. Right? A social democracy moves you down into, like, more of a welfare state. It's more of a where the parties or the powers that be get to try to support or move monies and resources and things like that towards what they feel is the right thing to be pushing in the society, right? So this is where you get laws being changed and shifted. This is where you get certain systems and parts of your government being defunded or you know, whatever, whatever, because now you have a social democracy where we want to do what's best for you. Okay, we're going to do what's best for you. Okay, we're going to do what's best for you, people, because you don't know how to govern yourself, you don't know what you're doing, so we're going to do what's best for you.
Speaker 2:That's a welfare state. Right, when I say welfare, get your mind off of a check coming in the mail. That's a part of it, because that's a control mechanism. But get your mind more into the idea of how they're doing government, how they're doing politics, and you'll see that it's a tone. It's on a. It's on a low, vibrational total scale. It's 2.0. Yeah, it's 2.0 on the total scale, where they want you to be placid and bored. That's boredom 2.0, is boredom right, and so they. They want you to be silenced.
Speaker 1:They want you to be drugged and marijuanaed out your mind so you can't fight back well, and and that's, that's what's what you see in the us with, with the, the, the pandemic of painkillers and all of these things, the opioids type of a thing here in South Africa, all they've got to do to get somebody to vote for a particular party, and whatever that party stands for, is get them a Streetwise 3 or a Streetwise 4 from KFC. I'm not kidding you.
Speaker 1:I'm not kidding you Four pieces of chicken and some coleslaw and we got your vote and they'll tell KFC ahead of time we're going to be ordering a lot of chicken and that's not good. I was just talking to my son last night and he was telling me because he goes into people's homes to do installations of something I'll just leave it vague, but he's an installer and he's been doing this for several years and he gets a better view than I did of how people live because he goes into these people's homes and he says you would not believe the average state of a person's home these days. He says I can't believe the state of disarray in which people live and they still want a security system. And he's he did the same, he's seeing the same thing.
Speaker 1:I saw when I was in the states at how quickly the united states was falling into a third world country situation and he said it himself, before I ever mentioned it myself, that you know it's falling from social democracy into fascism, because you're dealing with, well, what he says, what LRH says in this reference is 1.5 to 2.0, they're going to fight with each other quite a bit and this is what's happening and it's affecting the economy, it's affecting the laws, it's affecting who gets a right to vote. You know that type of a thing and you know LRH talks about in the lecture that we were going over, creating a third dynamic United Survival Action Clubs. He talks about this as far as it has to do with not the people that are representing the people, but the people themselves.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And so when we see this and again, a social democracy, and again, when you look at the tone scale and where it falls on the tone scale is so blatantly clear Aware for a state equals boredom, equals people not working, people not being as productive, equals people being drugged or drunk out of their minds. Right, and when I say drugged, I'm not just talking about street drugs or whatever, because I don't want you to think of like I'm not on drugs, I'm not doing all that. But what are you eating? What kind of chemicals are putting your food to make you more docile? What kind of chemicals are putting your food to make you addicted? Sugars and different things of that nature? So all of this, all of this is a part of the equation, right. And so social democracy at 2.0, at the writing of this particular reference that LRH gave in 1957, he said it is true that no government on planet earth is above social democracy in 1957. And so since then, how many governments have fallen on the tone scale Because he says it's a dwindling spiral how many governments have fallen on the tone scale down into fascism? Right, fascism is a populist political philosophy. Populist, which means it says that it exhausts nation and often race above the individual. It exhausts the nation above the individual. It's usually centralized power in an autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader.
Speaker 2:Now, catch this A fascist government is not the same as a dictatorship, but it's a dictatorial leader, right, it's an autocratic, which means there's a group of people that govern, that govern, yeah, it's a group of people, whether they're the billionaire class, whether they're the technocratic class, whether they're whatever, there's a group of people that are dictating or governing autocratic group rule. And there's a group of people that govern for you how you're going to live, how you're going to be, how you're going to move, and so the nation is exalted above the individuals. This is really interesting to hear, and again, I'm giving you this not to say anything about any political system or whatever. It just is what it is. And when you look at it from this light, you're seeing this like oh, I see what y'all doing, I see where it's coming from, I see what it is and you can kind of exteriorize, hear me, you can exteriorize from it because you can, as is it. You can make this, you can see it time, place, form and event. You can see it for what it is and you can, as is it, from your own personal universe. I'm telling you what I practice, I'm telling you what I live.
Speaker 2:Okay, you can. You can exteriorize yourself from it all and start to move in a different way, and as independent Scientologists, we kind of position ourselves to be able to do that. One thing I love about being being able to remote audit remote auditing I love being able to sit in the comfort and the security of my home, wherever I place myself, right my space, and I love to be able to audit. I love to be able to get on the cans. I love to be able to do what I need to do as an independent Scientologist. Well, I don't have to be necessarily location specific. This is a really, really good way of exteriorizing yourself out of the matrix, as it were, out of the system of things, and putting yourself in a position where you can start to govern yourself more accordingly.
Speaker 1:Right, this comes from a. Let's see here I'm trying to find where it comes. This isn't from LRA. It says the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing, which expresses the idea that oppression or injustice can only succeed when people of good conscience remain silent or inactive, allowing wrongdoing to take root and flourish. It's misapplied to Thomas Jefferson or Edmund Burke it's not clear who said it, but it is still obviously true. And that comes down to what LRH says here about IQ, and auditing improves a person's IQ. Understanding study, tech improves a person's IQ. He says and this is in the reference no-transcript United Survival Action from 1957, late, late, 30 December he said you just raise everybody's IQ a few percent, why?
Speaker 1:Then? There they go, they'll all be all right. The fallacy of trying to educate people whose IQ and ability to receive it is not to being educated is that one does not educate them. They are not smart enough to be educated. A further step has to be taken. You have to raise everybody's IQ so they can be educated. But the funny part of it is is you raise their IQ. They won't be educated in any stylized fashion. They will start to make up their own minds about some things and only then can you have a democracy, only then can you have a government, a third dynamic on the basis of a democracy. You would have it if all of the citizens were able to and this is the key point, if all the citizens were able to understand and appreciate the issues before the government.
Speaker 1:And he says I think you agree with that, unless you do that, you're not going to have anything able to understand and appreciate the issues before the government.
Speaker 1:And he says I think you agree with that, unless you do that, you're not going to have anything but a totalitarian state. And what we're talking about here is we're not just talking about the United States, we're talking about the planet as a whole. He says now the way things are going, we just force, draft every education in on people and so on, and keep kicking them out and making them afraid we will cut their iq down. Now, if we keep cutting their iq down and they become less and less able to confront key concept, less able to confront why, of course, they become less and less able to be a country and sooner or later, some big fellow on a white horse he used to ride a white horse I don't know what he rides now has to walk in and wave a sword and get a totalitarian regime. I think he probably waves a Cadillac now or a Ford or something of the sort.
Speaker 2:He says or a golden toilet.
Speaker 1:Right or a golden toilet. But these chaps who would give us totalitarianism themselves usually cannot face or confront problems. So totalitarianism has never been a solution. It never will be a solution, no matter how much we may begin to hear it whispered, from here on out, that what we need. What we need is a strong man with a bunch of slaves need is a strong man with a bunch of slaves.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think this is so poignant. I'm so glad that we're having this conversation because it really is to be empowering and not to be salacious or shocking or whatever. I just think that you know, and if any of you have any comments or anything that you want to say in the comments down below, please feel free and we'll definitely respond. But I think the idea here is is that when you don't educate your citizens properly or probably a better way of saying it is when you're not doing anything to raise the IQ of your people, of the people right, iq is intelligence quotient. That means that the aggregate right, they're all coming together and saying the general IQ of our society is such, and so when you're not doing anything to raise the IQ of the people, that you're keeping them in a non. They're not able to understand the issues before the government per LRH. They're not able to understand the issues of the government before the government and therefore you can never have a true democracy. You can never have it, because that's not what they're thinking about. They're thinking about how they're going to pay their light bill. They're thinking about how they're going to feed their kids. They think about how they're going to get their medication for big mama. That's the biggest issue before the people.
Speaker 2:So you don't have a true third dynamic, you don't have a true group, because the individual is so interiorized on their own stuff. I hope you get this. And so when that happens, the person, the being, collapses, the degrades down to a point where I can't even think beyond my own junk, I can't even think beyond my own stresses and my own concerns of the day. And so when they can't think beyond, you can go buy them a chicken meal and get they vote. You can give them a check, you know, in the mail for $600 and get they vote. This is what happens because the person is so interiorized and shrunk down that they can't be bigger, broader and have a true third dynamic.
Speaker 1:Due to the installed present time problems, and that comes down to economy, and this is not an American-centric thing alone. It is a global issue where you have to fight to survive, and nine times out of ten, the present-time problem that I'm handling for the PC is I need more money.
Speaker 1:I need to survive better, and that is the present time problem is, you keep the gerbil in the wheel. Well, you're too busy to educate yourself on things If you're an adult and you're living for yourself and you don't have time because you got to work all the time in order to get by. And even if you're getting by, you have to deal with all the myriad difficulties of owning your own business, dealing with business partners, all that stuff, and that's created through from a much bigger source than any one government. You know I mean, we're looking at banking in general and why everybody has to have so much money to survive. And if you don't have a home, you get put in jail.
Speaker 1:Uh, that's a, that's a. That's a. That is a huge ptp, and it is something that is ongoing in present time, at this very moment, across the united states and and States, and that's not okay. So if people can't get educated, can't survive, they're forced into making uninformed decisions about things they don't understand, because a true republic, a true democracy, isn't baffling them with bullshit, they're dazzling them with brilliance in their representation of the people and that's how you get them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's how you get them. The ideological differences in one country to the next, or one country or one region to the next, it doesn't belong. Region to the next, it doesn't belong what people believe shouldn't have any bearing on anything. It should be accepted that people have different viewpoints, but we've gotten down to a point to where these different viewpoints, ideologically, are causing tremendous amounts of problems, especially, I mean, you know, just just in yours, in my lifetime let alone. I mean, you look in the fifties when LRH wrote, wrote the the, I did this lecture. You know we were in the middle of the cold war, red scare and all of that stuff, and it it doesn't belong in that. It also comes down to skin color and orientation of where you live and and all of that. And we're, we're all pink on the inside, we're all human beings, uh, we're all phaetons driving a body, and we need to get to that point. And that comes right back to what he says about education, which is why we're doing this podcast.
Speaker 2:Right, and why having an online college? Why having an online course room allows you to tap in anytime, anywhere, like I want you to get how valuable this is and how AOGP as an organization is really positioning itself for greatness in the future and to empower the people. Empower you to be great, to raise your IQ with knowledge and training, to raise your IQ with study tech, to raise your IQ with ethics tech, to raise your IQ with all of this stuff that we're doing, all of this stuff getting you in session, to move all the mental mass out of the way so that you can actually be a better being. Right, la says it here. He says in the same lecture. He says now, if the mathematician, mathematics professors, the physics professors of the country have not so been far able to create geniuses and educate people, so been far able to create geniuses and educate people, why do they think that another appropriation, talking about money is going to? The solution is not more money, more hours, more education or more government. The solution is obviously better citizens. That's the solution, and what we have as independent Scientologists is online remote auditing. We have online course room. We have an online community. We have all the stuff in place to allow you to be a better citizen of the world, a better global being, and you have the ability to then become better, for wherever you land your feet.
Speaker 2:I want you to get this that, wherever you go, when I go out in my community, even here in a foreign country, barely speaking the native language, when I go out, you can see the people get happier. I kid you not, People will smile. The guy who rests downstairs in the building, he will literally get up and smile hey, hey, boss, how you doing, boss? And it's only because there's a better being that's present. I'm no different, body-wise, than any other person walking around with five fingers and five toes. Presented differently, the beingness is showing up in a certain way, and this is how we live as independent Scientologists. You have the ability to shift your environment and change your sphere of influence across your dynamics. It's a beautiful life.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's the thing is that you have access to all of this material that we're using in this podcast to go in and inform yourself. I'm not even going to go as far as to say educate yourself, because we're all peers here on these issues and understand that you're dealing with a planet that has over eight, eight billion people and rapidly rising, uh, with reactive minds, and how those reactive minds are going to react against other people over its withholds and all that stuff and you have the playbook on on what's happening.
Speaker 1:You're going to be a lot better off because you can't be the adverse effect of something you understand, and it's a very, it's a very, very fine line for for me and I'm going to speak for for the both of you that we are not partisan to any of the things that are going on on this planet. Staying out of politics is of the utmost importance. You don't want to get involved in it because it's groupthink and LRH talks about that in Keeping Scientology Working number one, and that's why a benevolent monarchy, as he mentions in the politics reference that we read at the beginning of the show is where you.
Speaker 1:Benign, yeah, benign, monarchy and to the degree benevolent is. You have one individual who has a great idea and he's going to do something about it and it affects everybody, similar to what you were just talking about. There in in KL, in Malaysia, where you know the, the people are happy because they're able to contribute to society, they're able to survive, they, they, they have aesthetics, they have, they, they, they want for nothing, as long as their morale is high. And their morale is high to the degree that they can produce. Production is the basis of morale.
Speaker 1:When you get into a welfare state, that's where you get. Well, just send me my check and then I'm going to go down to 7-Eleven or Quick Trip and pick up, or Wawa, and pick up a 24-pack of Coors Light, and there's no production. So they're unhappy. What happens to people when they get bored? Their ethics go out, whether they're at the bottom of the pay scale and they're on welfare or whatever it is government subsidies and they're getting government cheese, or they have all the money in the world and they want for nothing and their ethics go out even more. And that's why you have quote, unquote, the Illuminati.
Speaker 1:And it's not a matter of whether you believe that these individuals with more than the average bearer's number of suppressive tendencies are going to do and are doing what they're doing. It is a matter of they have the money to do what they're doing and they believe in the causes that they believe in. And even LRH says even I have a hard time confronting evil, but you've got to confront it and that comes with IQ and you get IQ. This is where this is all going your intelligence quotient, which is an arbitrary, but it's a gauge of your intelligence, your problem-solving skills, your ability to look at things for what they are. That comes from illuminating and educating yourself on these principles and getting a big macro, exterior viewpoint, getting on course, getting auditing so your awareness level comes up that you can go hey, I'm not confronting this, this is evil. What's happening?
Speaker 2:Right, you know, everybody has the right to survive and be happy and be self-determined, everybody on this planet, and there's more than enough room for everyone, as long as they're allowed to do that at this and confronting this conversation, which we have never done before, I think is really really valuable for people who want to just know why things are the way they are, why things are going on that are going on and what I can do about it as an independent Scientologist, how to kind of move through this thing in a certain way. So I feel very, very good about knowing that at least now there's some awareness around it. And do me a favor, like when you guys get a chance, let's talk. Comment in the comments below.
Speaker 2:Comment on the college. Reach out to us and let us know what your thoughts are. We just had somebody who wants to talk about these things and they booked a time to talk about some stuff going on in their own world. So you feel free to do that. You know, book a time and let's talk about what's going on so that you can get the help that you need, um and and hopefully raise to a place where you can operate in self-determinism and maybe, like I said earlier, be exterior to the stuff that's going on around you and, uh, can live a better life because of it.
Speaker 1:Yep, Look, don't listen, and that's that's what we're trying to help you do and love your fellow Satan, your fellow man, your, your fellow woman, your fellow children, and that's that's all it comes down to is is you can't survive on your own. It takes a third dynamic to do it in the fourth dynamic and a United survival club. That's right, United survival club. So I yeah.
Speaker 1:I, I'd like, I'd like everybody to just take some time and look at this from an exterior viewpoint and not have a bias because of political affiliation, because bias is the problem and we're all here on the same big blue and green rock and the way out is the way through and survival is to the degree that you're doing everything you can to aid your own dynamics, and that includes everybody else. So for Quentin, artie has been in and out due to the Internet reception Sorry, that's okay On his way to Quentin to get to doing his TRs with Quentin for his pro TRs. So, with no more preamble on everything, take a look at this, get in touch with us. Let's have a dialogue on YouTube and talk about this in the comments. Also, on Spotify, apple Podcasts and a slew of other places, you can listen to this podcast. Thank you for being here and namaste, and we love you. Bye-bye.
Speaker 2:Peace Bye-bye, peace, bye-bye, thank you, thank you. Thanks for watching.