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SE11EP26 - Independent Scientologists Discuss Symbols
Symbols are everywhere, silently shaping your reality more than you realize. From the emojis on your phone to political images on buildings, from religious icons to corporate logos – these aren't just static images but active forces molding your thoughts, feelings, and behaviors.
Our fascinating exploration begins with a fundamental truth: symbols aren't the things they represent. The cross isn't Christ, the star isn't God, the dollar isn't money – yet we often treat symbols as if they are the reality. This symbolic substitution happens constantly, with profound consequences for how we navigate the world.
Diving deeper, we unpack L. Ron Hubbard's definition of symbols as having "mass, meaning, and mobility." Symbols occupy mental space (mass), carry personal significance that varies between individuals (meaning), and motivate action (mobility). This framework explains why companies invest millions in ensuring their logos appear in strategic locations and entertainment. When you spot that Coca-Cola can in Stranger Things or that Apple laptop in Dexter, those placements are calculated to forge subconscious associations.
Most concerning are the symbols we don't consciously register – the subliminal messaging techniques where images flash by too quickly for conscious recognition but still influence our behavior. This manipulation works because we're unaware it's happening. The antidote? Awareness and self-determination.
By questioning the symbols around us – asking "What is this trying to make me think or do?" – we transform from passive recipients of symbolic messaging to active interpreters. The Scientology concept of "Straightwire" offers a method for addressing internal symbols that trigger automatic responses, helping us gain control over these reactions.
Ready to take back control of your symbolic environment? Start by distinguishing between self-determined symbols (those you consciously choose) and other-determined symbols (those placed to influence you). Your awareness is your greatest defense against manipulation in our symbol-saturated world.
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Hi everyone and welcome to another Scientology Outside of the Church podcast, season 11, episode 26. We're going to talk about symbolism and its effects on you and society, of which there is a ton of ton up. I'm here with Quentin Stroud and today is Friday, august 29th, and we have a nice opening line for this podcast.
Speaker 2:Take it away, quentin. Yes, and we're talking about symbols, and so I just want to say that the cross is not Christ, the star is not God, the dollar is not money. They're just symbols. And so, no matter what is going on, no matter what you're looking at and experiencing in your world, understand that symbols are all around you, and these symbols are constantly conveying something. They're conveying some meaning, which we're going to go into a little bit more as we get through the podcast, and why that matters to you, especially as independent Scientologists. What does that mean? Like? Why is this important that we're being constantly inundated with symbols? Let's get into it.
Speaker 1:Well, to give a Scientological example, you look at the cover of Dianetics. What does it have on it? What's the symbol? The volcano, the volcano. And that's for a reason, and lrh knew this and he did it with all of the books in the late 60s and early 70s and commissioned uh, artwork to be done to get people to go, to get people to go. There's something to this, I'm not sure what it? Is, but I need to buy this book.
Speaker 1:And that's the crux of the matter of symbols is it is a restimulation, a mass with meaning which is mobile. Here in South Africa, the symbol for a chemist or a pharmacy or an apothecary is a and it's probably the same thing there for you is a big, a big green plus sign. Oh, there is a pharmacy plus. I right, I need to go to the pharmacy. I'm not sure what. You know what that means, because it's not really a cross, it's just a green plus sign. But that symbolizes something and it's not red. Well, you know colors. Colors are a symbol as well. If something's red, it means danger, green it means yeah.
Speaker 2:So that's how this stuff rolls go ahead well, I was, I was gonna say, and when you, when you're talking about symbols that have mass meaning in a mobility we really don't think about it like that and the way lrh even broke it down, you start to really see it. When he said, when he talks about mass, he's not necessarily just talking about like physical weight or dimensions and stuff like that is the, the mass could even be a mental mass. Right, it could, it could have mental, it could hold or take up mental space in your mind. Right, and so that that mass could, when you look at a certain symbol and I'm I'm not going to call any out at this point, but when you look at a certain symbol, what space does that get placed in in your mind? Right, um, I remember back, um, back in the day, like when you would sing the national anthem or do the national anthem, uh, in the us, you had to cover your heart with your, with your hand you know, I pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america.
Speaker 1:Right, we did that in class and that flag represented that concept. We had to do it every day and you put your hand over your heart, as if to pledge allegiance with your heart. And they've since stopped that long ago, but I remember it verbatim because it did it every day, every day. It's an implant, basically, but they've removed. They've removed that from schools. Uh, we used to have to go out in in fifth and sixth grade and we had an american flag and we learned how to fold it up the way they do in the military, and you couldn't let it touch the ground. And this flag represented this significance. This respect of the country means something, and this was 1979, 78, and all of this symbolism was in the classroom for this concept of what the united states flag stood for. I mean, you know, you look at, I mean what? Look at all the flags and your icons on your phone, android or apple or any other I didn't think about that.
Speaker 2:I guess, yeah, when you look at that, when you look at the little app, those are symbols yeah, those are symbols for a concept you know the, the smiley face with the tongue hanging out.
Speaker 1:The, the face with the sweat coming off of the brow oh, you're talking about the emojis yeah, the emojis, they're all all symbols for something that is connotating a certain. That's why it's emoji, emote, Emotion.
Speaker 2:Emotion, and so the emotion and symbolism go together, represent, they mean something. So mass meaning and mobility, they mean something and they're created in order to make something happen or put something in motion or make some kind of mobility, make some movement. It represents an idea or a thought or a meaning, a piece of energy which is agreed to represent a certain idea, and I think this is really important because the symbol has meaning, because it is agreed to represent this idea, and therefore the symbol then can sometimes, if taken too far, can replace the reality. Right, the symbol can replace the reality. And the one thing that just comes to mind as I'm saying this is have you ever been on a TikTok or a live stream or something like that? And if a guy or a girl holds up the little heart with their fingers, like the heart.
Speaker 2:You can't see it on the podcast, but I'll put it in the thing but the little heart, and it's supposed to represent love, or a city you love or something like that. They'll love you. It's just as simple. They'll know who of the thousands of people that they're streaming to, or whatever the case may be, or the people that are going to watch that symbol. They don't know who of the thousands of people that they're streaming to, or whatever the case may be, or the people going to watch that video. They don't know who's watching that video. It's a symbol to represent an idea and can, if taken out of control, can, replace the actual reality or the actuality of the thing. Isn't that something?
Speaker 1:and he goes on to say that. Well, basically observed, symbols are not standard, but very widely from individual to individual. This recognition was key. Symbols have personal meaning rather than universal interpretation. So it's an interpretation of what you feel. You think it is, or, if you don't know, you're like. Well.
Speaker 2:What it means to you.
Speaker 1:Yeah Right, what it means to you or it doesn't mean anything to you. If you don't know what love is or something like that, you're kind of like, nah, you know, I don't want to look at that.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Right or something like that you're kind of like nah, you know, I don't, I don't want to look at that, right so right.
Speaker 2:Symbols are go ahead, no you go ahead, finish.
Speaker 1:No, this is what symbols. Symbols are a form of re-stimulating a concept, whether understood or not understood. Yeah, so that's an, that's an mu or it's, it's a conceptual understanding or somewhere in between in that spectrum right, and and they're everywhere, in the sense of whether it be we.
Speaker 2:We started this conversation talking about religious symbols, obviously, the cross and the star of david or, um, you know, uh, I I have like right over here some like incense, like incense or whatever, and they have a symbol for the. They have the symbol on the packaging, you know, because it's supposed to be peace and tranquility and serenity or whatever it might be, and so Zen, and so the, and so there, the symbology is everywhere, whether it be religious, whether it be political, right, uh, uh, we just did the whole podcast on politics and what happens. Why, why is it important that, uh, a person's face, that a person's face, is on the side of a building? Why is it important? Why is it important that statues are erected, you know, in their name and stuff like that? Why is that important? Why are these symbols so important?
Speaker 2:Why are these symbols so important? What do they continue to convey and to put there for the period of time that they exist? Why is it important? Why is it important that, as we progress, we tear down certain statues and certain icons? This is a very, very interesting phenomenon because it's showing up or it shows up in the physical universe, but it actually holds space and weight and meaning in the theta universe, in the spiritual universe, to you as a being. Right, and this is why getting tapped in and really knowing who you are and really knowing your stuff and really being self-determined, causative, being that money is just a result, right, money is a result of something that's happening or transacted or valued as exchange. Money is just a result. But people think, but I'm chasing paper.
Speaker 1:I'm chasing them, dollars, you know, chasing that bag. And that's exactly what I was thinking is that if you have a big, thick gold, solid gold chain around your neck and then at the bottom of it is the dollar symbol, solid gold, and you're walking around, what is that person trying to say with that symbol? And if you think about it, money, right, I got money. You think back to nazi germany. You think china, chairman mao and these, these posters of mao everywhere. Uh, khrushchev in russia, or you know, I mean, you go further back and it's a symbol. Yeah, I just saw the other day that, uh, on one of the us government buildings, they had, they had these huge multi-story images. It was, it was a poster that was eight to ten stories tall of the current commander in chief, and I thought this isn't good, with the name at the bottom and I thought, wow, this looks like china. Because what do you? What are you doing when you put a person's face, or you know? I mean, you know in advertising.
Speaker 2:Or North Korea.
Speaker 1:Or North Korea. Well, yeah, they're probably the most current version of that. That it's. You know, I am the guy in charge. Don't forget, we're watching you and and now you're seeing it on government buildings. You know that's that is, offices and offices and offices wide and eight to ten stories tall, on the side of a government building. Hang on a minute right. What us president has ever done that? Well, they, we americans tend to do it in the form of uh statues. Yeah, we want you to remember thomas jefferson. We want you to remember george washington.
Speaker 2:Uh lincoln, the lincoln monument, the lincoln is huge, right, if you're, if you ever, if you've ever been to dc and you've been to the lincoln monument, like you're standing at his feet and it's just massive, yeah right.
Speaker 1:And just the other day it was reported that the, the uh bust of martin luther king was removed from the white house. What is it? What does that say? The presence or a lack thereof, the, the whole thing with the confederate flag a few years ago flying above city halls in different towns, different county courthouses, all this stuff because it says this is what we believe, you're safe here or you're not welcome here.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:And that is how that that affects affects. It shows agreement or lack thereof. So you got to be careful with these symbols, because you're dealing within the realm of the physical universe and this is what people think. What? What do people think when they see the confederate flag? Remember the south, or something else?
Speaker 2:right, yeah, lrh mentioned about, uh, how symbols are ever employed symbols to impress upon the minds wise and important truths that these symbols might prove an ever-present reminder of the necessity of ceaseless creation of our desire, of so a symbol we just talked about a number of different references whether it be religious, whether it be political, whether it be otherwise, a symbol, it says, it impresses upon the mind the ever-present reminder of the necessity of ceaseless creation of our desire. I think this is really interesting, that the symbols that you're seeing before you, the symbols that you're and these are logos, these are they're constantly coming at you. When you mentioned about the phone, I thought you were talking about apps. You know, like the actual logo on each app well they are.
Speaker 1:Those are symbols for that app.
Speaker 2:Those are those are symbols for that app and you when you see it, but you know, oh, that's the app I need, right right, yeah, the the you know I mean.
Speaker 1:The term icon or iconography has become so omnipresent in our society that everything is a symbol, because it's an abbreviation for well, like in that case for a particular app. What would you rather? Look at a list of files and remember how it was in the 90s.
Speaker 1:You know you go in and you click on this thing right and now you go into to, to steam, and you have a bunch of images of all the different games that you can play in your account on Steam and everything has this icon for it, as your phone does, as your life does, and those things that you surround yourself in. Typically, I mean, if you want, like we were talking the other day about Buddha, you prefer the sleeping Buddha as opposed to the eyes open Buddha. What's the difference?
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:What's the difference? I love sleeping Buddha. Right. So what does an eyes open Buddha represent to you as opposed to a sleeping Buddha?
Speaker 2:A sleeping Buddha to me represents that, no matter where I am, where I go, I can be at peace. And that's actually me, because I remember being on the middle of a speedboat speeding down across the ocean from one island to another, and I was asleep on the speedboat. I was just knocked out. So for me, sleeping Buddha just represents being able to be at peace no matter where you are. Buddha just represents being able to be at peace no matter where you are. Versus the eye open Buddha is one who is seeking enlightenment or who has sought enlightenment to become the Buddha, whether you're Bodhi or Bodhisattva or that whole thing.
Speaker 1:But yes, these all have meanings and they do mean something personally rather than universally, but it communicates at each level right and and one of the the points of this podcast is to make people aware, because it's it's more of a subconscious thing that you're surrounded by this stuff and you're you're restimulated either good or bad by a symbol that is put in front of you more often than not. You know, sex sells half naked man, half naked woman, whatever you know, and that's that's how they do that, and you have to be aware of this stuff, and that's that's the real point of this podcast is what are you being and I'm going to just use a non-Scientology term what are you being triggered on and why that's around you that somebody else is placed there? Because the moment you look at it, bing, bing, bing, bing. What is it that you're looking at and why is it put there? Bing, bing, what is it that you're looking at and why is it put there?
Speaker 1:And you have to stop and ask yourself what's the symbolism pushing you to do what is it for? Yeah, and it's so prevalent in the society everywhere you go, whether it's what you put in your house. You're in control of what you put in your house. If you want a peaceful place, you've got a sleeping Buddha there and plants, and and it's.
Speaker 1:you know, oh, it's so Zen and it makes you feel peaceful, you know, and and the the, the imagery of when you leave your house is significantly different. You leave your house is significantly different. Right, because one is and it's important to know, one is self-determined and one is other determined so that that's why we're doing this podcast is to raise awareness on the iconography that that's around, because you don't want to be pushed in in the wrong direction if you're aware right, and so you're.
Speaker 2:so you're walking um down the street or you're walking, uh, in a shopping center or something like that, and you see the visa mastercard logo. We call logos for the businesses. You see the visa mastercard symbol on the. It's constantly telling you to use that here, use that here, use that here, use that here. It's constantly. It says ever-present reminder of the ceaseless, the necessity of ceaseless creation of our desires. And so an ever-present reminder use that here, use that card here, use your card here. And you're constantly being told to do that. And so now you're not using your card necessarily from a self-determined perspective to do what's good for you. You're doing it because they have a thing, retail therapy that you spend your hard earned money to, to fuel the idea of these companies and their symbols that they put out everywhere or whatever. And you spend your hard earned money to feel better when in actuality you actually most likely feel worse after the fact, because right after retail therapy they have buyer's remorse. Go figure.
Speaker 1:Right. So MasterCard, visa, give us your interest payments, where you pay two or three times as much for the item, as opposed to if you just bought it with cash or you made something yourself in in some cases instead.
Speaker 2:so as or or you just you use that same money to just do something that actually makes you happy, like actually get happy, right? What do you?
Speaker 1:get from it right. Right, a possession is one thing you know. Possessions are responsibility. Now it's okay, where am I going to put this? And then, a year or two later, you're like how did I get all of this stuff that I don't need?
Speaker 1:you're paying I think you're paying for storage to keep it right, and then you're paying for storage to keep it on top of the interest that you're paying in order to buy the thing, and then you have to clean it, maintain it, update the extended warranty, all of this and so and you to the listener, you need to pay attention to this, because you're constantly being restimulated, triggered to do things and you just do it automatically because you're so patterned into you. Know you, you walk by. You walk by Cinnabon, ooh, dopamine, ah, sugar.
Speaker 2:They got a new Cinnabon open up at the bar near me right next to the Texas Chicken place. So it's Texas Chicken and then Cinnabon In.
Speaker 1:Malaysia, in Malaysia.
Speaker 2:In Malaysia. In Malaysia, it's the Texas chicken, and then Cinnabon, and then you go be the sleeping Buddha.
Speaker 1:After you eat. Oh, I want that because I want to be knocked out from a sugar coma or carbs or whatever, and so you need to pay attention to this, especially in our current society.
Speaker 2:That just got me.
Speaker 1:There was this scene in Minority Report, one of Tom Cruise's movies, which is based off of a Philip K Dick novel.
Speaker 2:Love that movie.
Speaker 1:And at the time the movie came out, the technology, the technology was there, but it wasn't in retail as far as it was. Everywhere where they scan, they're scanning his face or his retina and they're they're automatically putting up the symbol. What is an ad? What is an advertisement? It's a symbol for a product with words behind it backing up that significant, significant significance. And that's and we we now see that today with the, the Facebook app. You talk about something in the room and you've got your Facebook app on your phone. If you look in the T's and C's and everything like that, you'll find out they're listening. They're listening to everything you say and you say I need a new Ford F-150. I'm thinking about getting a new truck. And then what shows up on Facebook? Ford F-150 trucks.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:It's a symbol, it's a reminder hey, you really want this, hey, you need this, hey, this is on sale. That is the greatest form of manipulation through restimulation, because that's what a symbol does is, oh, think about this, or oh think about that, and that's, that's the, the lack of awareness of I'm being manipulated into buying a truck for three times. I mean I just saw a thing on tiktok last night that a standard ford times is. I mean I just saw a thing on TikTok last night that a standard Ford F-150 is $39,000. Just a two-wheel drive Ford F-150. But they know they can get it because they're putting out these ads.
Speaker 1:How many times do you see an ad over and over and over and over and over and over and you get pounded symbol, symbol, symbol, symbol, symbol. That adds up that significance which adds mass. I must have this thing, or I must believe this thing, or this is true. Like we had with the, the, the religious figures on huge posters on the sides of buildings. If you look at holly Hollywood, california, they do the same thing with movies.
Speaker 1:Now they're 20 story long ads that are posters that are dropped down the side of a building in Hollywood talking about the latest movie that's coming out. You need to see this. So you're pushed in this direction, pushed in that direction. Now think about what that does to you as a being, where you're throwing in this direction, pushed in that direction. Now think about what that does to you as a being, where you're, you're throwing your, your hard-earned effort, your exchange for your job, in a particular direction. And then you go to the movie and you go this sucked, why do I? Why do I keep going to the movies? But it's all symbolism. What is a movie? Look at all the product placement, look at the concepts that they're trying to deliver in a movie. Because of the symbols.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was actually just working with a client and and one of my celebrity clients and working on the clients working on a movie, and in there they were talking about getting some product placement dollars to help, you know, you know, fund the movie and stuff like that. You know, because sometimes projects need help funding and getting some product placement dollars in just to kind of put it inside their movie, and a lot of money, a lot of money is thrown at it. So this is not, this is not a small thing. That they know works. They know what to do, they know that 16 million people, or however many millions of people, see this movie and this logo is flashed or this symbology symbol is flashed over as people watch this movie.
Speaker 2:They know it's going to get a return. They already know it. It's already calculated that we're expected to get this kind of return. And I've been in conversations and I haven't been in rooms because I don't live there, but I've been in conversations where these conversations are broken down and they know exactly that to the very number. But they have a very good idea of how much return they're going to get by paying x amount of dollars to have this symbol being shown x amount of time in this movie. Whether it be a car, uh, toyota, toyota, honda, honda, every time the car chases, or whatever, this is a real thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I just finished watching a couple weeks ago, stranger Things again on Netflix and I could probably ask ChatGPT and it might know. But almost every episode which every episode is about 45 minutes as opposed to a two, two and a half hour movie. So you're looking at 45 minutes times. Oh, I don't know. 10, 15 episodes a season.
Speaker 1:Almost every single episode had a Coke can, a Coke machine, a Coke sign in it machine, a coke sign in it. Yep, and it was obvious because the can wasn't turned away where you couldn't see it, because you know. You know, apple does the same thing with their computers. I mean, I was watching dexter as well. How many times the apple macbook pro shows up in front of dexter while he's looking for information on the internet about somebody there's that.
Speaker 1:Apple logo on the back of that computer and you'll see it blurred out if they don't have permission, but it's product placement. Right, right, yep. Look, dexter uses Apple. I want to be like Dexter. I mean, you know, I don't think that they think about that, they just think product placement.
Speaker 2:But no, they do think about that well, the association yes you know, I mean, that is a very real thing yeah, and it's.
Speaker 1:It's incredible to me that that you, you see that sort of a thing in the show. And and then I'm rewatching Breaking Bad again I haven't seen any product placement in that show yet. Whereas Dexter was Apple and Stranger Things it was Coke, and these are all subliminal things. And if you want to get into the amount of images that come across and I'm sure you've heard about this, the amount of images that come across and I'm sure you've heard about this that the eye can see, as opposed to the amount of images that are being put in front of you, it's been shown that if you take frame by frame, you can find words, you can find symbols that are in there, that you are subliminally being shown in a video to get you to think a certain way, but you don't catch it quick enough.
Speaker 1:But the eye and the mind do. This is how bad this gets. So you have to be careful with with this sort of thing and you know, granted, I mean you really have to slow it down, frame by frame by frame, but know that it's happening and it's either you don't catch it or you see it on the side of the building. It's the same thing and you need. Your awareness has to come up that, ok, this is what they're trying to get me to think. So the point of the podcast is is what symbols do you have surrounding you that you are self-determined with? And what symbols do you have surrounding you that you are self-determined with, and what symbols do you have around you that?
Speaker 2:you're other determined with, exactly, and that, I think, is the most important, because it's going to happen, right? I mean, we're going to continue to have symbols around us. We're going to continue to be inundated with it, like you said, from the movies to television to walking down the street. A wedding ring, a wedding ring is a symbol, right, for some, this person is symbolizing that this person is married, not necessarily in love, not necessarily even happy, but it symbolizes that the person is married and this wedding ring is a symbol. Catch this so much so that there are those that covet the ring more than the marriage, right, just that they have a ring. And there are some that will even go out and buy themselves a ring, right, just to have the ring on. Like I said, if they go to a club, if they want to go out, they don't want to be bothered, or whatever they'll buy themselves a ring to have on just to give the impression or the illusion that they're married or in a relationship. This is really, really interesting. And so how do you become self-determined? And why is this important to independent Scientologists? So, catch this In the lecture called Elementary Straightwire.
Speaker 2:Give me one second because I want to get the date Elementary Straightwire. Give me one second because I want to get that date Elementary Straightwire and it's from 7 October 1954. Lrh says that now, just so you know what Straightwire is Straightwire is. Give them an understanding of Straightwire, how it works when it comes to early on in the lower grades, the lower bridge.
Speaker 1:Well, straightwire is just you recalling. There's a difference between remembering and recalling, you recalling a particular thing, something that you have there, recall is much clearer than remember. So you're trying to get a person to recall a particular image, significance, a mind's eye picture of something. And in the process of doing that and it works both ways you can go back and you can recall something and you can pull the locks off of it. The dianetic locks okay. A lock is a restimulator to an n-gram, okay, but a symbol can also re-stimulate in the opposite direction. So, straight wire is for good, but you can also flip it and go. You know what is? What is? Well, a hammer and sickle. What do you think about the, the old Russian hammer and sickle? Well, a hammer and sickle. What do you think about the old Russian hammer and sickle? What does that mean?
Speaker 2:Is that recalling a pleasure moment? Or is that recalling an engram?
Speaker 1:I don't know what it means. Well the point is that it's enforced. Okay, and communism and all of that in Russia, and it was everywhere in russia for decades.
Speaker 2:the hammer and the sickle work, yes, oh, oh okay, oh yeah, and the sickle to cut down the wheat in the right hammered to work, you know right right so that's, that's, that's a form of straight wire.
Speaker 1:Now if I said, if you look at a hammer and a sickle and you go, okay, what do you get from that, as opposed to a palm tree on a beach and you're straight wiring to that. Either way, you can release a lock. But one is a pleasure moment.
Speaker 2:One is something else, quite different and also to to go a little bit more in depth in, in that in straight wire, uh arc straight wire is a part of uh, as you're going up the bridge, but in straight wire, you're recalling these things not just as a oh yeah, I remember that, I remember that it's not, that's not it. You're recalling these things and with the with an exactness, with an exactness that gives you time, place, form and event, gives you an as is this, in other words, it vanishes or releases, been holding you. And this is really important as we talk about symbols and symbology and symbolism, because when you understand this is that that it could be something, as it could be a phrase. It could be a phrase. I remember just a quick story. I remember that something happened to me in a abusive situation when I was young and years later and even after going through psychotherapy, talk therapy, even after going through therapy, I'm thinking I'm so much better. Years later, a 2D used the exact same phrase you play too much. You play too much, use the exact same phrase and my body locked up, and I kind of like clenched up my entire body like that, because the exact same phrase was a lock for me, right, and it restimulated me that my whole body just locked up, right. But I say all this to say because when you're dealing with straight wire, you're talking about being able to recall something so clearly, so well, that it it can give you relief, right?
Speaker 2:So LRH says this in elementary straight wire lecture. He said what's this got to do with straight wire? He was talking about symbols and everything. What's this got to do with straight wire? He was talking about symbols and everything. He said. What's this got to do with straight wire? Straight wire is all conducted by symbols. Symbols are things which have mass meaning and mobility. The bank itself has mass meaning and mobility. An engram is simply a symbol. The words are simply symbols. So therefore there must be an orientation point somewhere. And if the preclear himself is lost, if he considers himself all in motion, all over the place, all in motion, and all the engrams are particles around him in motion, how on earth are you ever going to give this boy any straightening out at all?
Speaker 2:The remedy of it is to try to make an orientation point of him. I'm going to stop there. So when you're dealing with all these symbols all around you logos and icons and emojis and all around you, and then you have your own symbols of engrams and locks and all this stuff that's going on in your within you, right, if the pre-clear himself is lost, what is going? So much going on, so much going on, all all this overthinking and all this stuff that you're dealing with? Right, what you're trying to do with auditing is you make an orientation point of him, and so now it's you being you looking at the symbols, looking at the locks, looking at the engrams, looking at the data that's in the engrams, looking at the words you understand. So you're going in and you become the orientation point. So an auditor helps you to become that point of orientation, helps you to orient yourself in present time, and you can then see all this stuff around you that's been going on all the time, everywhere present, and then you can actually pull yourself out of it and you can actually become clearer because of it.
Speaker 2:And I do, I do, I have this right. Yeah, yep, you got it right, you got it right.
Speaker 1:Do I have this right, jonathan? Yeah, you got it right, you got it right. So it's a matter of either you're being re-stimulated through manipulation or you are aware of it, and that is what awareness level is. You're either pushed around and you don't even know it to do a certain thing Master Carter, visa, or whatever or it doesn't have any sway with you, and that's what the reactive mind is made up of. Is images, symbols that mean certain things that push you in a certain direction.
Speaker 1:A hot stove Okay, I burned my hand on a hot stove. I need to stay away from a hot stove. Okay, I burned my hand on a hot stove, I need to stay away from a hot stove. But to the degree that you have become aware of these things and you look at it for what it is, it doesn't push you around anymore, you're just in present time and you can't be the adverse effect of it. So that's very important to keep in mind when you go out into the world, especially a big city, or you get on your phone, or you get on the internet, or, or, or, or is. Are you aware of what it is that is symbolizing this to you to do something else. So keep an eye out for these things.
Speaker 1:So we're going to end this podcast for now, and I hope this makes you more aware of what's going on in the world using symbols. And if you understand those symbols or don't understand those symbols, look them up. What does it mean? What is it? What's the significance, why is this placed here? That's what you have to ask yourself. For quentin stroud and myself, we hope this podcast has raised your awareness on the symbols that are around you. That might be making you happier or might be pushing you around to think a certain way. Take the time to look at that.
Speaker 1:For Quentin and myself, namaste, and we love you, thank you. Thanks for watching.