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SE11EP30 - Independent Scientology - The Legal "System"
What if everything you thought you knew about the legal system was designed to keep you from understanding your true power? In this eye-opening episode, we peel back the layers of legal frameworks to reveal how they function as control mechanisms—and how spiritual awareness can help you transcend these limitations.
Jonathan, Arthur, and Quentin explore the fascinating world of legal language and its hidden meanings. Did you know that when your name appears in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS on legal documents, you're being addressed as a corporate entity rather than a natural person? This distinction represents just one way that modern legal systems view citizens as assets rather than sovereign beings.
We dive deep into the origins of these systems, tracing them back to historical agreements where governments began using citizens as collateral for loans. The gold-fringed flags in courtrooms, maritime law versus common law, and the deliberate use of Latin terminology all serve to obfuscate meaning from everyday people—creating a system where "he who speaks the law best wins," regardless of truth.
The most powerful revelation comes in understanding that you are your own currency. As L. Ron Hubbard stated, "I have my own personal currency—it's called my ability." Through Scientology practices like auditing and word clearing, individuals can set order in their thinking, blow off confusion, and establish personal sovereignty. By recognizing yourself as a spiritual being capable of creating change, you can transcend arbitrary legal constraints without breaking laws.
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Hi and welcome to another Scientology Outside of the Church podcast brought to you by ao-gporg and collegeofindependentscientologycom it's just collegeofindependentscientologycom, if you're wondering Our online social media platform for independent Scientologists, and our online course room platform for independent Scientologists and our online course room. I am here today for season 11, episode 30, with both Arthur Moudakis and Quentin Stroud. How are you guys this warm afternoon in Malaysia?
Speaker 2:Going all right, all right.
Speaker 3:Nice and warm.
Speaker 1:Nice and warm and it's nice and warm, nice and warm, and it's nice and warm here in south africa as well, right along the coast listening to the waves as we record this podcast, interestingly enough. So we are going to talk about, in general, as independent scientologists, the legal system. We mentioned this in two podcasts ago and we've been bouncing it around for a little while, and let's just hop right on to this and talk about the legal system and how it works. I think we were talking about spelling, wasn't it, and that spelling is a spell, and then we got onto the legal aspect of it sentencing, grammar and all of that stuff, and it all comes down to the words was the germ for this idea, but, interestingly enough, with everything going on in the world, it's a legal world. A law is something that is here we go, here we go. A law is something that is cast.
Speaker 1:Right off the bat, right right off of that. It is something that is cast. And then is uh through a quorum, which we could get into too, is uh from the. The old roman term is that you had to have a quorum of agreement in order to make a law a law, and we can get into the what. What the word law is as opposed to what is agreed upon. They're two different things, right, just for starters. I mean, there's a, there's a lot that goes into it. So everything going on in the world right now, and there is so much going on and so much disagreement and so little agreement, and it is based off of the legal system. So what direction do you want to go into first, gwen?
Speaker 2:to start, you know, just taking a look at who one has to be when they approach a legal representative, when they approach a legal, the legal system as a whole, when they approach the bench to approach the bench, you know, in a court case, when you approach or when you go before a judge, when you go before someone in a legal capacity, who do you have to be in order to do this?
Speaker 2:Now, this is really interesting because we all understand that you as a citizen, right and this is true of many countries. Obviously, we have people who listen all over the world and might be different in different parts of the world but when you're going before as a citizen, you're going before as a part of that agreed upon system, right Of that government Right. So you're going on as a part of that agreed upon government and so you're approaching the court, you're approaching the judge, you're going before these bodies so interesting, going before these bodies in order to make yourself known, to make your case, to make your argument or your judgment about the matter, in order to make it known. And so, as independent Scientologists, I think it's really important, first and foremost, that we know who we are when we're going before this, what entity is being represented here?
Speaker 1:And that's a very good point.
Speaker 3:You know what I love about that. I'm just going to take a little sidestep. But the awesome thing about the law is you can create a non-flesh living entity on paper I was just gonna go there.
Speaker 1:I was just gonna go there, yeah, and talk about it. When you get something in the mail legally, but say from oh, I don't know one of the tax entities, for example, your name is in all capital letters, but your real name is a capital letter with lowercase letters after it, both surname and your first name. These are two different entities. They're two different types of law. When your name is in capital letters, you are being spoken to as a corporate entity. Let that sink in for a minute.
Speaker 1:There's the real person and then there's the corporate entity the natural person and the fictitious, because you are entering into a contract when you do taxes or you go to court. And when you go to court, the first thing you should take a look at go, pull up a picture on Google and look in a courtroom and you'll see that the flag that is in the courtroom has a gold fringe on it. Now, if you'll remember in elementary school at least my elementary school, I don't know about you, arthur in the US when we went to school at least my elementary school, I don't know about you, arthur in the US when we went to school and this is even creepier the flag had the gold fringe on it, so you were being taught as a corporate entity at that point in time. You were not being taught as a real person, natural person. A natural person. Why is that? What agreement were you bound to?
Speaker 3:and it's funny because if you look at the word human, um, it falls on the person. So if you go to the black's law dictionary, which is probably the most common dictionary, for um, for legal terms they're human, is it there? So, there, so you're not presenting yourself as a human being, right? But what I find interesting with the names as well, because a lot of the law system is based on the Bible and they didn't have surnames in the Bible. None of them has surnames. So it'd be Arthur of John, of Malaysia, for example, and whatever town you came from or your father came from, or whatever, and that's how people were identified then. So they had just one name, not two names, not an corporate name name, as you say.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that, and that's how you got words like smith, because it used to be before they. Before they came over here, smith was with an e, which was a smithy, and the smithy was a blacksmith.
Speaker 3:As in, you have guys like Malcolm X who come in and it's just Malcolm Right, because the X is significant, because he doesn't have a last name.
Speaker 1:Or he didn't know what his last name was yeah, and then you got prince, who changes his name into a symbol, which I find really, really interesting yeah, he knew exactly what was going on when he was, uh, trying to get his catalog from sony and there's lots and lots and lots of interviews with him on that and he, he knew the score and that's how he got around it, until they caved into what he wanted, because there was nothing that they could. They could do about it, you know, was the artist formerly known as Prince, which was just a first.
Speaker 3:Yeah, there's but by doing. But by doing that, by creating a, a symbol, he was able to copyright that symbol right, and now it became a living non-flesh entity, and so he was operating under his symbol, not his name or his corporate person. He created his own, and so everything he would have done would have had to have been signed via a symbol. Yep, right, which is pretty cool really, I love that you.
Speaker 1:You back this up um way back into the 20s and, uh, jekyll island. You can google all of this stuff and, uh, you can find the meetings where they basically agreed on bankrupting the federal government in the United States the powers that be and said, okay, this is what's going to happen. Why do you guys want to handle this? And the government said, well, we'll be broke. Well, we'll loan you money. Yeah, but why are you? We'll loan you money, yeah, but how? Why are you? Why are you going to loan us money? Well, do you have any collateral? And the federal government types said, well, we have people. And they said, good, good, so what, what? What? What can you use, um, as that collateral? If you have people? Oh, well, we have. We have birth certificates. Okay, so what do you do? Well, uh, we assign them a number instead of a real name, and that is your social security number.
Speaker 1:So you are born into an indentured servitude and this is how they push this thing along legally. This is where all of this thing along. Legally, this is where all of this stuff started, because there wasn't any gold fringe. It's a different type of law in the legal courts in the US and, interestingly enough and this is a funny little story I've mentioned this to, I think, both of you, but I haven't said it in a podcast before.
Speaker 1:But back in this would have been uh, let's see, 2004, there was a, an organization called global, and global was an entity that was educating people on all this stuff and at the time, um, there were a lot of scientologists involved in it and there was a lot of hullabaloo going on in clearwater about did you know that you can send the irs a series of letters and they'll send you a, a letter back saying that you're no longer liable to pay taxes, and global had it set up to where you send this, the ir, irs sends that, you send this back, they send you this, you send them that, and it was like six, seven steps, something like that, and the end result was you're no longer liable to pay taxes because you've parlayed with them in the order that needs to be done in order to do that.
Speaker 1:Then the church said anybody that's in global will be declared, because the church is owned by an arm of the irs yes, wow yeah, so they're the ones that were telling Scientologists at the time about these legal arbitraries and the ways around them.
Speaker 1:And you have to know exactly exactly what to say. And there's videos on YouTube and TikTok and all that stuff. Some people fail miserably at it, other people don't. Uh, you know it's, it's a matter of knowing the score and how the whole thing is laid out in order to do it. And the church said we can't have any of that because, well, we're on this side, we're not on your side, we're on this side. We never said this side, they just said your spiritual eternity will be taken away from you if you don't abide. And, uh, quickly, everybody pulled out of it and had to do lower conditions and all of this stuff, because knowing how to know stopped at knowing what your legal standing really was. So that's so, that's that's uh. And and part of the stuff that I'm aware of is because I knew people that were in global and they said here's the deal and that was what 21 years ago.
Speaker 2:So, legally speaking, everything is an arbitrary and if you don't, know, nobody's going to tell you, and if you don't know, nobody's going to tell you, right? And it also speaks to the idea. I did a teaching some time ago called the Privileged People, and in the Privileged People, if you look at the word privilege, it's a special right or immunity or exemption granted to persons in authority or office, freeing them from certain obligations or liabilities. Well, the word privilege, if you break it down, is privilegis, which means private law, and so the privileged people are operating with a private law, not the law of everybody else, not the law of the land, not the law that you and I might have to work with, but there's a privilege. People work with a privilegis or a private law, and that private law affords them certain rights or immunities because of what it does, what it's about, obligations or immunities.
Speaker 2:And so, understanding this and knowing who you are and how to move I think that's why LRA says that a definition of power is the ability to hold a position in space. Right Is that? No matter who you are, where you are, if you can hold your position in space, you are operating with power. Nobody can move you, nobody can budge you, nobody can stop you when you are able to operate from that level. And so, knowing who you are and knowing how to hold that position in space is so important so that you can, I guess, create your own, your own privilege, your own private law, your own universe.
Speaker 1:Right, and a good example of that is maritime law, which is what this is all about. Law, which is what this is all about. So you have these things going on that are outside of the confines of the United States, that the military is doing, and it takes place under maritime law because it's not within the arbitrary confines of the United States. For example, this thing that happened off the coast of Venezuela a week or two ago, and again we're recording this on the 12th of September 2025. So you have some context if you're listening to this whenever later. But that type of activity constitutes a war crime. And then you have the people who perpetrated it, including the vice president, saying I don't give a shit, literally on x. Formerly twitter said this to an american citizen that constitutes a war crime and he said I don't give a shit, there's nothing you can do about it because it falls under maritime law or whatever is going on. So part of the problem is that there's no agreement between one country to another, just like, if you don't know the laws or you don't view the laws and I've said this before with Scientology policy, you can know all the Scientology policy you want, but if you don't have any agreement with the people that you're operating with, that, okay, this is what we're abiding by. We're staying within the box of Scientology policy written by LRH, and we will handle it thusly If they don't agree.
Speaker 1:All you have is knowledge of something that is completely arbitrary to them because they're operating off of a different set of rules than you are, and that's exactly what you just described is, there's the privileged law and then there's the commoners law, and this it's always been this way, not just the united states. Yeah, so that's that's. The thing is, you have to be aware of this knowledge, responsibility and control the krc triangle. Look this stuff up, right, you can find it. You may not find it on google.
Speaker 2:Look it up well, and the other thing is is that, when it comes to going before the court, when it comes to going before the judge, he who speaks the law the best wins. That's right, he who knows the law the best, but he who speaks the law the best wins. And what's interesting is, is that not even the one who is absolutely true, right, the absolute truth of the matter, right, might not even win, but when you're dealing with the law, he who speaks the law the best wins. And so, understanding, clearing your words, let me tell you something Go back and listen to the podcast we did on word clearing, because this actually opened up the door for this particular podcast on the legal system, because this actually opened up the door for this particular podcast on the legal system, because in there we talked about how word clearing actually puts you in a position of power.
Speaker 2:By understanding your words and clearing your words, it actually, number one, increases intelligence and IQ, but it also puts you in a position of power because, fast forward, he who speaks the law or she who speaks the law the best wins. And if you know what you're talking about, if you know how to understand and work with this, you say KRC, knowledge, responsibility and control, you actually can stand in a position of power in that that and so this. This is something that we're. This is a clarion call. In my opinion, this is a clarion call out to all independent scientologists to know what you're talking about, know yourself and know, know what you're uh, working under as it relates to this, and then you can start to create your own privileges or private law privilege in your own world.
Speaker 1:Right, and this goes down to possession. I mean your own possessions, for example, putting your assets in a trust. If you put your assets in a trust and you do it the right way, the trust owns everything. You own nothing, and they cannot get. The people that are interested in your quote-unquote stuff are not privy to who the trustees are to the trust, and so, therefore, you own nothing, the trust owns everything, and so your, your property, is protected. Now one of the weirdnesses is in the united states. Your car, your house, your boat, your land, they all come with titles, but those titles mean nothing because except for uh, I believe it's florida, isn't it quentin? Isn't it florida that doesn't have any property tax? Yeah, florida doesn't.
Speaker 2:Florida doesn't have any property tax. Yeah, Florida doesn't.
Speaker 1:Florida doesn't have property tax, but all other states do.
Speaker 1:Right, because you never really own anything, even though you hold the title to it in the United States, until you put it in a trust. And this comes down to knowing the terms of the law. And if you don't understand the terms of the law, then you are at the adverse effect of terms you don't understand and you need to have a, and I I'll go as far as to say that it's almost a brotherhood in the secret society that lawyers are a part of, because they're using so much Latin terminology that you don't, the common person doesn't understand. You have to learn all of these terms, basically, before you can do anything to represent yourself, because there's so many hard left turns and hard right turns and aha this and aha that, and if you don't know these words, there's no way you can represent yourself properly. So it's obfuscated by a terminology or nomenclature that prevents the common person from doing anything about it and you need to hire somebody else in a middleman, a lawyer, to handle it, much like even like doctors.
Speaker 1:The terminology has been so obfuscated by the nomenclature that you don't understand it. And again, it's Latin based and they stopped teaching Latin in the United States. They actually call it a dead language. They call it a dead language and it's like how is it a dead language when you have two of the biggest fields in the United States, because everybody is For everything, yeah, yeah, I mean you're looking at and the church and the government, church law and medicine, I mean right, and then even chemistry isn't there completely, but it has its own nomenclature and it's obfuscated as well, because there's so much of this. So it comes down to understanding the law. What's the definition of law? Can you look it up? Where does it come from?
Speaker 2:as far as a derivation, I know legas is the um latin of it. Let's see, law is a rule, uh, usually made by government. That is made, that is used in order to, to order the way in which a society behaves. But let's see the derivation of the word comes from um. It's a long definition. Let me go back, make sure we clear this. Let's see the derivation of it comes from Lagos Legitimate Jeez, I'm still scrolling Literally.
Speaker 1:Isn't it something?
Speaker 2:Okay, okay, here we go. Uh, nope, that's not even it either. Hello, still going.
Speaker 3:It's probably a reason for that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, do you see how far I'm telling you?
Speaker 2:Let me, let me just be more A to B. Hold on a second, let me see what are we looking up.
Speaker 3:I got cut out.
Speaker 1:We're looking up the derivation of the word law.
Speaker 2:Let's see Lex or Lego, which means to gather and to read. It's a collection of rules or readings. Yeah, from the word lex, which means together, to read.
Speaker 1:Like lexicon.
Speaker 2:Mm.
Speaker 3:Mm-hmm, or Lego building blocks, or you're right.
Speaker 2:Now, you've got it together, that's right, and you can't put it together unless you read that, those directions and that law to make the Millennium Falcon or the Death Star or you know whatever it is that they do.
Speaker 1:It says it comes from the Old Norse log, which means something laid down, or something that which is fixed Right. So a law is something that is laid down, usually by a group of individuals who are put there to represent, to come together and say, okay, this is what our constituents need and want.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and we actually say it. Oh, I'm about to lay down the law up in this camp. I'm about to lay down the law in this camp.
Speaker 1:I'm about to lay down the law right and that's where things have gone wrong is that representation has gone away from representing the people to representing the corporations, when originally they were supposed to represent the people who don't know that they're a corporation, which is pretty strange in and of itself, because I don't know if you guys know this. Look this up, this is true. This just happened. By the way, washington DC and the history of Washington of Washington DC is that it was laid down by the founding fathers of the United States that and it was named after George Washington and they all agreed on it and all this stuff that there would be a separate corporate entity known as the district of Columbia, which is now known as Washington DC. But wait, go to your phone and look in Google Maps, look in Apple Maps and you'll see that it is now called just Washington.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's no district anymore.
Speaker 1:Go look at that. There's been a fundamental change in the law of the United States' capital. It is no longer a separate district, it has been decapitated. Now this just recently happened, the last couple weeks with the occupation of Washington, as it is known now.
Speaker 3:And if you look at the White House on Matches as well, you'll find it sitting right at the bottom of a giant pentagram right, and we that.
Speaker 1:That's a whole other podcast. And the way the streets, streets, the streets are laid out in in that pentagram, yeah, and this goes back, it's funny in australia we actually have old parliament house and new parliament house, because I want out. So everything, everything changed, but just the. The citizens weren't, uh, apprised of said change, because the whole body of the law was but they went for it. Yeah, they went for it and they built it. So this is the thing that you're aware of.
Speaker 3:And it goes back to the people that believe it. It must be true.
Speaker 1:Right, and that goes back to what I was saying about agreement. Did you agree to it or did somebody agree to it for you?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So wait a minute, what do I agree to? Right? And? And as you start to disagree with your environment per LRH, right. As you start to disagree, disagree with your environment, per LRH, right. As you start to disagree with your environment, well, no, in fact, you actually start to step up in responsibility because now you have to create your own. So you think about it this way, think about it this way If you're totally subject to the government or whatever, then you got the welfare state, you got oh, you know, I'm going to get my social security check and I'm gonna be all right, and you have this whole idea right. But when you start to disagree with that way of being, that way of existing, and you have to start to create your own, you actually rise up as a more responsible, causative, being, right, right entity that is not under that same, that, under that same umbrella, it's not under that same world right and that and that's what you're doing.
Speaker 1:As you, as you get auditing, you become more aware, more in krc knowledge, responsibility and control, and you have an arc earlier on because you can't have krc without arc. You have a new found arc for what is it really going on? So that you can be at knowing cause over it, because you have been entered into agreements from the moment you came out of your mother's body that you are now a subjugated citizen to something that you never signed up for.
Speaker 2:Well, and then what starts to happen is, obviously, when you kind of start to create your own privilege, or your own privileges or your own private law, you start to govern yourself. You become self-determined, right? Well, in that you have to also then include the rest of your dynamics, so then you become more pan-determined. Right Now you have to think about all the other people that become a part of your universe or your world, your creation, right? And then you get into a personal economy, which is where I get happy, right, where I get happy, where we start looking at numismatics.
Speaker 2:Numismatics comes from the word coin, coinage, numisma, which means the coin or currency. And so what are we now having being created Cryptocurrency, we're now having things created where you could create your own tokens. You create your own tokenization, your own crypto, whatever, where you have your own numis or your own coinage. You miss my right when you have your own coinage that, literally, it says this a current coin or piece of money use, or usage, literally what has been sanctioned for use in your economy. Right, that's what numismatics means, right? And so now, as you start to create like how you smile at Jonathan now as you start to create your own private law, as you start to create your own private law, as you start to create your own CUNYverse I call it my CUNYverse as you start to create this for yourself, you start to have now your own private economy or your own personal economy that you can live in and you don't have to worry because now I've created this for myself and I know how to govern myself accordingly.
Speaker 1:Right, and that was exactly where I was going to head with. This is based off of what we said law was and, like LRH has said, if it isn't written, it isn't true. Let's look at the. You're born into this physical universe, you pick up a meat body and, okay, all of a sudden, you don't know any of the laws. But the thing is is you came here with a bad cell phone to begin with. You came here with a bad database called the reactive mind that you agreed to under under pressure because of you create your own laws, and the guys that put quote unquote us here. They said, okay, we know, there's this law that a thetan can be anything. A thetan can create anything. And so they said here's a bad cell phone with bad data. It's an analogy if you're following, and so you use that cell phone and you go. It's an analogy if you're following, and so you use that that cell phone and you go. Am I a spiritual being? And your, your, your analogized cell phone comes back and goes no you only live once.
Speaker 1:Where did that come from? But but that's the law, that's what it says. So you've agreed to be lied to by a bad cell phone before you got here. That gives you all the data. And then everybody else with you is agreeing to the same bad cell phone that they got. When they Google something, it says okay, you need to take this drug to do this, and you have to do this, and you have to pay your taxes, and you have to go to school and have a $200,000 debt for 30 years and pay back the college. And then there's interest through the bank that's loaning it to the college.
Speaker 1:And you thought this podcast was about the legal system? Well, this is all carried forward until you start getting auditing and you go wait a minute, I didn't agree to any bad cell phone, I don't have to accept this and this, this. This guy, l Ron Hubbard, says well, take a look at this. What is it that you're agreeing to? Wait? Wait, I agreed, I agreed to that. Wait a minute. Yep, I don't have to agree to that. Well, who made you agree? Well, I, you agree, well I. I agreed to my own law. Ding, that's a postulate, yep, and then you get into a society, just agree, agree, yeah, go ahead, arthur that um, he's got a?
Speaker 3:um lrh has a small talk on money and if you listen to that he doesn't exactly tell you everything. But even back then in the fifties, um, he was well onto these things, way back then. He was very aware of the of these dynamics. Um, because, with some understanding around the private realm, if you will, um, when you listen to that lecture or that talk and it's not a long one um, he, he drops little little things in that lecture that you're like oh, oh, which makes sense as well as to why he created the sea org as well. Because that's, that's not land, it's not, it's not found. I think it's in trouble in one area. That's right. Just take the ship somewhere else, that's right, and that that goes.
Speaker 1:Remember the ship is is what laws they abide by right and that is why I was saying earlier and was going to mention it is he knew this and was aware of it. After he got kicked out of the uk he couldn't get his visa renewed as an american citizen in the uk. He had to leave saint hill behind and never went there again. Again, he finally made it to where he had. He had a manor in east grinstead, sussex, and then they said you got to go and don't come back. So he said all right, fuck y'all. Then I'm just gonna go to international waters and maritime law and I'll go out and I'll develop the OT levels and that's that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and then my tax bill from there.
Speaker 1:Right, right, so and then and then they made it difficult at the time I was around at the time, last lifetime. They made it difficult. Where they couldn't go into ports, countries would disallow them access to get diesel fuel, medical supplies, food. This is what we're talking about here is you've got these. Like Quentin said earlier, you've got these different layers of law and what you agree to and what you don't agree to. And I want to go back to what he also said, to make this point as well is LRA said I have my own personal currency. It's called my ability. That is your and his and everybody's own personal currency. Don't don't think about it in terms of some tangible gold, silver and like elliott says and this is so very true in the finance series, he says money is an idea backed by confidence. Yep, if you are your own currency.
Speaker 1:That's pretty good If you are your own currency. Your confidence is you as your own money machine.
Speaker 2:That's right, and competence breeds confidence.
Speaker 1:Competence breeds confidence and he talks about it in the finance series originally that goldsmiths were the original bankers. So somebody would have a precious metal and they would give it to the goldsmith to keep. And the goldsmith would say, okay, here's an IOU for however much that gold, silver, whatever precious metal it was at the time was worth. And then that person would take that IOU and say, okay, I need to buy some chickens, I have money sitting with the goldsmith. But see, that's the whole thing is. Now you've entered it into the physical realm, the physical universe. But the thing is is, in order to the, the primary law is you are your own currency. And that's why you see, when people get into scientology, independent scientology and dianetics, why do they primarily get into it? Well, there's something they want to handle. I'll give you an example.
Speaker 1:How many rich people get into Scientology? Rich, very, very, very few. Because they already have money and they think I've got everything, I don't need any help. That's the bar, that's the okay. I'm everything, I don't need any help. That's the bar, that's the okay, I'm good, I don't need this, I don't have to put up with somebody telling me I have to do this or do that or whatever. But the thing is is you're already your own currency. That's your law, is what I explained earlier.
Speaker 2:And that's what the government knows to be true, because they actually sell your birth certificates as a collateral and it comes full set. They know that you are your own worth, you are your own currency, you are your own value set, whatever that value set is. And what they're saying is that, hey, because I have this person, we'll call him John Doe, because I have John Doe under my care, under my responsibility, I'll let you hold on to John Doe's life certificate. I'll call it a life certificate. Now it's a title.
Speaker 1:It's a title to your body.
Speaker 2:Right, I'll let you hold the title.
Speaker 1:It's a time-due body.
Speaker 2:Right, I'll let you hold the title to this, john Doe, and if I need some more money, I'll give you three more titles. I'll give you 10 more titles, I'll give you 50 more titles, I'll give you a million more titles and you give me X amount of dollars from that. They know that you are your own value system. You are your own worth. They know that you are your own value system. You are your own worth, and what we're trying to do as independent Scientologists is remind you that you are your own value.
Speaker 2:You are your own worth by increasing your IQ, by increasing your communication skills, by increasing your ability to create as a thetan, by decreasing your calm lag when it comes to handling things in your environment, by decreasing your reaction time, so you can make moves very quickly, on the drop of a dime. You don't have to be so flustered in anxiety. What am I supposed to do? No, you can handle things, and this is what independent Scientology does. It helps you to become more valuable to yourself and those within your dynamics, you see, and so this is why I think that what we're we talk about the legal system, but it ain't their legal system. We talking about baby, baby, that's right, we can talk about it on the periphery, but what we're trying to remind you of is what is your lex? What are you going to come together and lay it out, lay out the law of your own being.
Speaker 1:What are you going to agree to and what are you going to disagree with? And what we do is we don't in Scientology whether it's something that L Ron Hubbard said. Independent Scientology that L Ron Hubbard said, but it's the way that he said it originally, which is what we deal with, not corporate Scientology and their modifications of what he said is all he's trying to do and all we're trying to do for him is remind you of the fact that you are your own currency and that you have been put into a paradigm that says you are not a currency, but they would not take your birth certificate and use it as a currency to pay down the debt to the banks If they didn't know that you were worth something in the first place. They just don't want you to know.
Speaker 1:Scientology does, and that's where it changes from you being somebody else's currency to being your own currency, not physical, but spiritual, and along with that, if you're that spiritually, the money will follow, so that you can flourish and prosper and survive. We're just pointing you in the right direction. You just change your mind. That's all Scientology does. It doesn't evaluate for you, it just reminds you of your own personal law, not the law, arbitrary law, of something else.
Speaker 2:Yes, there you go, and, and, and. Who wouldn't? Who wouldn't want to live that way? I know we have a lot of people, a lot of people that come to us we were just talking to a brother not too long ago and a lot of people come to us and they have these notions, um, suspicions, if you will, conspiracy theories, if you will. They have all these things, but it causes a bit of a chaos, right, it causes a bit of a chaos, especially if there's some PTSD or some other stuff that's going on.
Speaker 2:Ptsd means potential trouble sources, a potential trouble source of things that might be going on in one's environment or within oneself, and so there's all these ideas and conspiracy theories and concepts and stuff that's flying around, and it can create a bit of a confusion until you get audited and until you get on course and get some awareness and some knowledge about what's going on and how to handle things, because then you don't operate with confusion.
Speaker 2:We just talked about it on the last podcast, about how confusion starts to blow off when you start to set order in, and that's what auditing does. It's, over and over and over and over again, helping you to set order in your own thinkingness so that you don't have to be in confusion anymore. How many would love that. How many would love to feel like I don't have to be confused about what I'm supposed to be doing, how I'm supposed to be moving or where I'm supposed to be. At this point in my life, you don't have to feel confused anymore, and that's the wonderful part about what we do and that's that the law that you're trying to learn is.
Speaker 1:Ellery says what's true for you is true for you. We're just trying to remind you of your own personal truth that's been spun in a different direction and you didn't even know it.
Speaker 1:Ultimately, right so I hope this has been educational for everybody as to what law means and how some of the things work at least in the united states it's. It's pretty much the same across the planet is, if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit. That's, that's what it comes down to, and you are your own truth and we can help point you in that direction, to find your own currency, which is you. You are not a what is it? It's even hard for me to say somebody says my Thetan, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. There's no, my Thetan, you are the Thetan, you are the being. You are the Thetan. You are the being, you are the currency, you are the manufacturer of energy, time, space, all this stuff.
Speaker 1:And the sooner you get to a point to where you see that and you don't have to agree to these arbitrary things I'm not saying you should go out and break, quote, unquote the law, but if you understand this stuff, you can go above it in the larger arc and understand that considerations are senior to the physical universe. So if you consider that you are a spiritual being that can make anything happen very easily, you can make it happen. So for Quentin and Arthur, we hope you've enjoyed this podcast and we'll see you probably tomorrow for another one Namaste, and we love you. Bye-bye.
Speaker 3:Peace, bye-bye, thank you, thank you. Thanks for watching.