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SE11EP34 - Independent Scientology - Fear
What if fear wasn’t your enemy—but just a signal you’ve been misreading? Scientology Outside the Church dives deep into the hidden mechanics of fear, exposing how it distorts reality, hijacks decisions, and keeps you stuck in cycles of doubt. Hosts Jonathan and Quenton pull back the curtain on why we’re conditioned to react instead of respond, and how breaking free isn’t about ignoring fear—it’s about understanding it, confronting it, and transcending it for good.
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Speaker 1:So yeah, and all of the transcripts will be on there as well. So this is coming very, very, very soon, so stay tuned to our podcast to get more updates. So today we're going to talk about the tone level and the effects and adverse effects of fear, and it's a more interesting subject than you might think. It's not just another tone level. A lot going on in the world and there's a lot of fear about things, and we want to describe to you what it is that people are running into and keeping it light and keeping it interesting and engaging. So what is fear? We have nothing to fear, but fear itself.
Speaker 2:Well, we're going to keep it light, but we also want to make sure that the message is clear about fear and what it is that is really happening when fear becomes the order of the day, as you go throughout life, as you go on your way to work, as kids go to school, elementary school, middle school, high school, university campuses where fear becomes the order of the day, what does that really mean? You know what I mean, and I think that that's really important because, without saying too much, suffice it to say that when fear is so rampant and the mechanism hear the words, the mechanism of fear is utilized, what is it that's really going on and why is this the case? And I think it's going to be really interesting how we fall into fear and how we get into it as we continue.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's not just your mother's tone level. It's crazy. There's a, there's a lot more to it, it, it, it is a, a tool that can be used for certain things, and you know, ellery talks about the dangerous environment, how dangerous everything is.
Speaker 2:don't go outside after dark in south africa, you might get robbed, that type of thing which, well, yeah, no, that's right, go ahead and I was gonna say, and even back in his day, when they were talking about, uh, the fear of radiation and atomic bomb, and at any given moment you got to hide under the desk. If the atomic bomb goes off, hide under the desk. What is he?
Speaker 1:going to do? I always wondered about that. What good is this desk going to do with nuclear winds?
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:It's not going to help me at all.
Speaker 2:Splatter your molecules across the wall, anyway. So all we're saying is that, as fear comes into the picture, what is being utilized in order to get one into this place? We understand that fear is the biggest liar there is, because the whole mechanism is to convince you, catch this, to convince you to destroy you. Uh-oh, to convince you to destroy you, because what ends up happening is that you really go around thinking that someone else is going to destroy you, someone else, that someone else is going to destroy you, someone else or something else is going to destroy you, but really it starts to make you destroy yourself right, well, and that that that goes to, if you've ever noticed, when you're in fear, that you're a bit of a bumbler when you're in fear.
Speaker 1:You kind of go into pts this potential becoming a potential trouble source because you're you're knocked down the time track back in time and you're not in present time now. That's ultimately. That's the key thing to the way pts this potential being a potential trouble source works is that your attention's on something way down the track and I could say this lifetime, or you could say past lifetimes, whatever but when your attention is is not in present time, because you're in fear of someone or something that is suppressing you or remind you of a suppressor. That's when you start making mistakes at a minimum and you start looking over your shoulder. There are robbers behind me, is somebody gonna gonna kill me? Is what's? What's the government gonna do next? Where's ice? You know that.
Speaker 2:That yeah, all that yeah, all that stuff.
Speaker 1:That's all part of fear, and LRH mentions that fears are mostly an illusion and, ironically, the fear itself creates the very non-optimal survival conditions we were afraid of in the first place. So considerations are senior to the physical universe, meaning we create our own reality. Yep, so by being afraid we create our own reality. Yep, so by being afraid we create a reality. Basically on fear, and these fears usually manifest because we pull them in or we create them, and that's it's, and that's something I want to touch on real quick is what it is, what your reality is and we've been talking about realities and stuff like that in the last few podcasts. What your reality is is your reality because you make it, you create it, you put it there, you know it's, it's, it's one of those things where you're, where, if you're not afraid of something, in most cases it doesn't harm you.
Speaker 1:There's that scene in the George C Scott movie from 1970 where he plays General George Patton and he's firing at these German airplanes in northern Africa and they're bearing down on him and the bullets pass between his legs and over his shoulder and he doesn't get hit and he's firing on them with a pistol. This really happened. This wasn't just a scene in the movie. This is what George Patton did and all of his juniors. I've never seen anything like that, that somebody would take on an airplane with machine guns and shoot a pistol at them and at the end of it he says you know all the destruction they created. He said if I could find those bastards I'd give them a medal, because he had respect. He admired them and, most importantly, he wasn't in fear. He admired them and, most importantly, he wasn't in fear. Right, and that's that's the allegory that I'm trying to get across here is that fear manifests physically. Ok, if you put it there.
Speaker 2:Right. And it's interesting because when, when you start to create or as we lean into fear, we create this kind of fear-based reality and then it gives you more and more reasons to be afraid, it gives you more and more reasons to world ends up going out as an out point or becoming an out point for you that you have to then solve the problem of. This is what happens. What they'll do is they'll create the problem, present themselves as a solution. Right, create the problem and present themselves as a solution, and you have to then try to decide, in this mocked up scenario that, whatever it is and we're trying to say a lot without saying too much but you'll decide who is my stable datum? What is my stable datum? What is it that I'm going to stand on in this moment of confusion, of fear, of uncertainty, of doubt? What am I going to stand on here?
Speaker 2:What happens is that when fear becomes the order of the day, becomes the order of the day, your own stable data becomes shaken. It becomes it's almost like I can't even trust my own decisions. Should I go left? Should I go right? Should I walk through that door? Is there somebody on the other side of the door that's going to kill me. You know, whatever, whatever, you start to question yourself in your own knowingness.
Speaker 2:Go back and listen to the podcast we did on knowings, oh my God. Go back and listen to the podcast we did on knowings. Oh my God. Go back and listen to the podcast we did on present time, because when you're able to exist in that state of knowingness, no test should daunt you. That thing brings you fear. Now, that doesn't mean, obviously, that one can't experience that tone level. Obviously, a person who's clear can feel fear. Now, that doesn't mean, obviously, that one can't experience that tone level, right, obviously, a person who's clear can feel fear. A person who's OT can feel fear. They can feel the whole range of emotions, but it doesn't stick you there, right, as you continue going up the bridge and raising your level of awareness characteristics, it doesn't stick you there. You're not stuck in fear, you're not riddled with fear.
Speaker 1:Riddled isn't the riddled with fear, you see yeah, well, and you know fear is from something that is unknown, and lake elliott says that you know you can't be the adverse effect of something that you understand, and it's very important to make the note that pretty much every datum that you could possibly have as to how to know something since independent Scientology is about knowing how to know the more information and the better understanding that you have of the tone scale, the less of an adverse adverse effect you are. And what causes fear is well earlier similar losses or secondaries, dionetic secondaries, which you know at the bottom of them have have an engram at their base, right. So when, when you see things going on where you have suppressive individuals, for example, suppressives are are basically essentially afraid because they're stuck in an incident where the headsman's axe is just right over their neck and there's nothing that they can do about it. When this gets dramatized in the future to present time, whether they know it or not and typically suppressives aren't something that is created in one lifetime Could be more, could be a lot more, but it's something that's dramatized heavily because their fear is that they're afraid that if others get better and more able, those people might be able to knock them off, you know, eliminate them. So if they've been very evil, there's actually something legitimate for them to be afraid of, which is part of the mechanics of how a suppressive personality becomes a suppressive personality. So that's a key thing. So I just taught that the most threats we worry about are imaginary, typically, but in a suppressive case, only 2% of the society is truly suppressive. The other 17 and a half are potential trouble sources.
Speaker 1:It's a matter of agreement when you agree with a fear or fears, because if you let's just give an example if you saw something going on in a country that you didn't agree with and you saw the signs, you would leave that country, wouldn't you? I mean just just saying, just saying quentin waves at me and I wave back at quentin, and so are you being in that case? Are you being the adverse effect? No, right, because you're. You're being a cause. Is it something that you should pay attention to and you should look at and go okay, these are the ramifications of whatever the situation is. But if you understand the situation and you've seen the signs, you've seen the indicators, the little red flags, little pieces on the sweater where you can pull the string on the sweater and you get out of it. Now you're no longer the adverse effect of it, so you're not in fear Now. You may have been when you saw it and you're like man, I need to get out of this place. It's getting crazy, okay, but you're at cause. So staying at cause is the way you prevent yourself from falling into fear for very long, because if you understand it, you can't go the adverse effect of it. Therefore you won't be in fear.
Speaker 1:Now, on the tone scale, covert hostility is above anxiety, and then you have fear. Fear is 1.0. Anxiety is 1.02. Covert hostility is 1.1. And below fear is despair at 0.98, and 0.96 is terror, 0.94 is numb, and so on and so on, as you go down through sympathy, down to hopeless victim, all that stuff. So that's something you need to understand is have a better understanding of the tone scale. And if you look around at people who are in fear, they tend to. If you want to be in ARC with them Affinity, reality, communication, which equals understanding if you go into agreement with that fear, you're going to have a better understanding. You've gone down the tone scale and therein lies the problem.
Speaker 2:Yeah, ellarate says in the lecture Technique 88, tone scale and attention unit behavior.
Speaker 2:I think it's really interesting because he talks about fear. He says that. He says okay. So the guy says ouch. He said what's the matter? He said you have turned on the emotion of fear just like that. Do you want to know how to run the fear out of a PC, out of a preclear? That's been a tough one to run. Just pick up all the hollow spots and run them. That pattern makes the emotion of fear. That pattern is the emotion of fear. That pattern is the emotion of fear.
Speaker 2:If you want to put a person into fear, you just get his attention units wobbling and confused so they can't block anything. This is interesting. Get his attention units wobbling and confused so they can't block anything and you just hit him in the middle of the area with a very directive beam or shock, shock. He will become terrified. You can use your feet, a kick for the shock, it doesn't matter. All the attention units try to leave and he gets the sensation of being afraid and that is fear. And he then goes on to talk about the other tone levels and this solid feeling.
Speaker 2:But he said fear is this hollow space in you and what happens is is that a person, as they're, as they're running fear on the on the track, there's a hollow space, this hollow spot in you that doesn't have any, any substance to it. There's nothing there. It's like what, what's? What is this? What is, what is? What's this space, this spot? And the more that person is dealing with this, the more the person will be riddled with fear. And the slightest shock, the slightest kick, the slightest door slam, a car misfires, going down the road, and you're like, because there's this space that you cannot block out because of your attention units are so wobbly, so confused. Think about life, think about this, Think about what's going on, think about the situation. Get your attention units all wobbly and confused so that so they can't block out anything that doesn't serve you Right, and then then hit you with a, hit you with a shock, hit you with a kick, hit you with a agent.
Speaker 1:A boat horn or whatever.
Speaker 2:Yeah, whatever, yeah, get soldiers walking down the street in the middle of, you know, the middle of the road, and it's like what is going on? You know, I'm telling you it's all mechanics, it's all the mechanism of fear and like you hear.
Speaker 1:You hear people say you know, fear of the unknown. Well, actually, actually, all fear is is the unknown.
Speaker 2:So that's right what?
Speaker 1:do you do to somebody that's in fear? You tell them okay, tell me something, you know, that's right. And they tell you and you go okay, thank you, tell me something else. You, you know. Okay, good, tell me something, you know good, and you'll see that tone level of fear dissipate and they'll rise up the tone scale because what you're doing is you're pulling them up to present time, into a known. I'm still alive. Okay, good, tell me something, you know.
Speaker 2:Uh, I got five fingers about it.
Speaker 1:I got five yeah right, we got five. Well, okay, then we might have a longer process but if you have if you have 10 fingers and 10 toes, okay, good, tell me something else you know and see.
Speaker 1:That's how that works is because the only thing that's holding fear in present to what is perceivably present time is that they don't know something. So you give them stable data. A stable data gives them something to hold on to, and you see this all the time in in the media fear, fear, fear. This could happen, this could happen, the economy could fail, and then, and so well, the first thing you can do and we've talked about this in some of the podcasts over the last week recuse yourself from the merchants of chaos. Step away from the TV, step away from the apps on your phone and go with something you know.
Speaker 1:That's the best therapy that you can have and, all of a sudden, you won't be afraid. Oh, I'm going to go out and I'm going to water my garden. I'm going to go rake up the leaves, since we're getting into late September in the Northern Hemisphere. Rake up the leaves, since we're getting into late September in the Northern Hemisphere. Do something you're familiar with to get out of this fear that's being just basically just pasted all over the place right now.
Speaker 1:And just go with what you know and there's a lot of things that you know and start looking. Once you, once you are stabilized and you're out of fear, start looking around, start reading, listen to a lecture. A day of LRHs.
Speaker 2:That's good.
Speaker 1:Get some LRH every day, get some source, and then you'll start to have more and more stable data, because fear is a lack of stable datums. That's all that it is. Yeah, I think that's all that it is.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, I think it's really good. And when you were just talking about fear fear of the unknown, or fear is the unknown uh, and it shows up in in the being, it shows up in one's environment and this whole idea of like fake news right, like like you can't really know anything because there's so much fake news about and stuff like that you can't really know anything. And so what's real, what's true, what's factual, what's the right thing, what's the? And so by kind of keeping that at play, that that that going on, nobody really has any certainty you know nobody really has the certainty?
Speaker 2:You know, nobody really has any knowing.
Speaker 1:That podcast a couple of weeks ago. The only way to control a being is to lie to them, right? So what do you know? What can you be a cause over that type of a thing and agree with the things that you know? Don't agree with the things. I mean. You can either confirm or deny a lot of stuff that you see in the media and you know that's not just video or internet or television, but I mean in writing and newspapers, all that stuff.
Speaker 1:You need to operate off of things you know to be true and then go from there. That's your stable data. What do you know to be true? And then go from there. That's your stable data. What do you know to be true? And then, once you know what's true, okay, does this ring true to me? Okay, then, what are you going to do about it?
Speaker 1:And that's that's how you stay at cause and you stay out of fear, as long as you're proactive in what it is that you're doing and you know, I mean you could. You could say this with with people who are survivalists and and preppers and all that stuff. You know we're gonna gotta prep and all of that. Well, okay, that's good if you want to hold your position in that, in that frame of space, and that makes you feel at cause and you feel that's the best thing you can do, then so do it. But if it's leave the country or leave the county, or leave the state or start a new online business that you can do anywhere, from anywhere in the world and deals in multiple currencies, maybe that might be the thing you might want to do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, or become an auditor. Become an auditor that that allows you to really help people. Have your own stable datum, have your truth in you know, lock and step with who you are, and then you can also like work from that perspective as well. This is why we have the College of Independent Scientology. This is why we have people training right now to become professional auditors, in order to make sure that they have their own truth, their own stable datum and wanting to make sure that, uh, they can help people. Uh, because we offer remote auditing.
Speaker 1:So, it's, it's a way to help people right and and the to the greatest extent, I mean there's. There's no better thing you can do than change somebody's life fundamentally. As an auditor and having that data, I can't tell you how much my auditor training has given me. The amount of stable datums that I have, datums that I have, and whether, whether it's something going on that's, uh, global or it's something that's local, you know with with another person. I have these stable datums and and and. If I choose not to observe them and go with my first knowingness, that's on me.
Speaker 1:But to have these stable datums and compare to and everything makes my universe a lot more sane than it could ever, ever, ever possibly be had I not done my auditor training. Because you have all of this information at your disposal and it isn't something that you have to just go look up in a book, it's something that you know. And that brings us back to that fear thing. Okay, now I know what I need to do. That's the whole thing. Fear is I don't know what to do. That's it Right, and that's a tremendous point is do you know or do you not know what to do in a given situation?
Speaker 2:Well, and the other thing to note is how one is gotten into fear, Like. How does one get into fear Like, what's the whole mechanism of that?
Speaker 1:And for those of you who are not familiar with the emotional tone scale that LRH created, that when you start to look at the tone scale, the tone scale right above fear, I think you said it before, was uh 1.02, which is what 1.1.0, then 1.02 is what, 1.02 is um anxiety, and then one is covert hostility and fear is just below anxiety at 1.0 right and so above.
Speaker 2:That is like 1.5, which is anger right yeah, and of course there's some steps for three steps up.
Speaker 2:We have that, yeah, but 1.5 at anger. So what happens when you have someone trying to make you angry? Or what happens? Happens when you have, when you are in this state of anger about something going on, losing your job or this, any other, whatever. What happens when anger is there? You're a few points above right, a few points above fear.
Speaker 2:And so Ellery says here that above above fear is anger. He said the next step down is fear. Right, he says would you trust a person to tell you the truth who was afraid? And he gives an example, whatever it is. He says fear made him tell you a lie. Social lying is the fear of social consequences. There's all sorts of lying at this level. There's a type of lying.
Speaker 2:I'm doing this for your own good. I'm going to tell you listen to this. We're doing this for your own good. I'm going to tell you this for your own good. You know, I think you ought to have, ought to make yourself more friendly to people. You know people don't like you very much and you should pay attention to this.
Speaker 2:And I bought a book here and this fellow is going to tell you about how evil you are. I mean how you should act, you know, and he just got to give us all these examples. And so he talks about how fear, anger is right above fear. And so when, when, when you're in operating in anger or somebody's trying to make you get into that tone level, you're a few points away. Well, right above that, right below anger, is covert hostility right, and you and you keep going down, down, down the chute until you end up in fear. Well then he talks about how fear, uh, after fear, it brings a person down into grief, and all grief is is great loss or fear of loss and a person can't, which is a harm.
Speaker 2:There you go. I was just about to say that. Which is a harmonic that keeps you stuck in, that, that fear, or that great loss, or fear of loss, harmonic that keeps going, keeps reverberating, keeps feeling that way. Right, and this is how you get one stuck down the chute yep, fear of loss.
Speaker 1:Maybe I'll lose something because you don't know. Okay, will you, will you, will you have, will you not have that type of a thing? And that's right part of fear. Well, if you, if you decide, okay, I know I, I'm, I'm this, or I'm doing this, or I have this, you're not going to be in fear. So it's important to understand one of the biggest tools to put somebody in fear is to threaten a loss that's right and in so doing, that would be in invalidation or evaluation, and when you're taking all our jobs, right, right.
Speaker 1:All all this fear, I need to pay attention, I need to, I need to watch the nightly news. I've gotta, I've gotta, subscribe to these, these, these, these outlets and make sure that I'm kept up up to date. And that's, that's what's happening. There is, it's, a threat of loss. It's not a loss, it's just the threat, and that communication is what you need to recuse yourself from, because it isn't healthy and it isn't necessary and it isn't truth.
Speaker 2:Well, and this is why auditing works. The reason why auditing works is because Jonathan said a moment ago that fear hinges on a previous loss. Somewhere on your track, somewhere down the line, you had this loss, and fear comes in when that loss is threatened again and you might not be consciously aware of it. Right, you might not be consciously aware of it, but this is why auditing works, because auditing handles these previous incidents. It handles these previous pains and unconsciousness. It handles the previous losses. It handles these things. So that, can you lose your job again? Sure you could, right, but am I afraid? Nope, I remember when they fired me, I was. I remember when they fired me, they called me and they said we're gonna have to let you go. And I said, oh, really, what's happening? And they was like well, because of this, that and the other, because I called my mother. What happened was I called my mother when I was supposed to be on the cash register. Uh, because my mother, my mother and my brother got into a fight, and I called my mother because I wanted to make sure she was okay, because it's my mama, and so they called me. I remember her name. Her name was Markita. Markita called me into the office and she was like we're gonna have to let you go. And I said really, what's happening? She said, well, cause this, that and the other. And then we saw we caught you on your phone and I said oh, okay. I say, are you sure, are you sure this is your final answer? There's no way of getting around it, or whatever. No, no, we're going to have to let you go. I said okay, thanks so much.
Speaker 2:And I was out and I went home and that day I got afraid. I'm going to tell you, I got afraid for a minute, jonathan. I was afraid for a minute. I was because I had to pay my rent and it was a week before the rent was due and I knew I was going to get a half a paycheck. I was going to get a half paycheck, you know, because I fired and I went to Goodwill. This is what happened. I went to Goodwill and I started to see some things for sale at Goodwill and I said, huh, if they'll buy it at Goodwill, they'll buy it on eBay. So I spent the last little money I had. You know that I had in my account. I knew I had another check coming. I spent the little money that I had and I bought some stuff at Goodwill, went home and put it on eBay and made my rent the rest of my rent money. What you afraid of?
Speaker 1:Yeah, because you, you, you knew right there, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I, I, I came to a new awareness. I was like, oh, wait a minute, if they can buy that good way, they're going to buy it on eBay. And that was that was my stable data and and I started making more money. I was making $600 a week, which is about $2,400 a month, versus working at Lowe's making like I think at the time it was like $12.50 an hour, something like that working at Lowe's, working full-time, and I was like, yeah, I'm good, I'll go to Goodwill and yard sales and buy it and sell it on eBay.
Speaker 1:Right and LRA says you you know, all you have to do is get a bright idea and that bright idea comes from knowing something.
Speaker 1:So if you're ever in fear, what do you know? What do I know? Yep, you don't have to have another auditor to do it. What do I know? Well, I know I survived. Well, I know, I know, I know that that everything will turn out all right. I know I can do this Because that's certainty. Once you have certainty, fear goes away, because what is a dianetic lock? A dianetic lock is a threatened fear of loss, that is, that is fear founded on an earlier secondary, founded on an earlier end ground. And when you sit there and you go okay, I know this, I know now is not then, then you've got it Right. Okay, I get a bright idea how do I solve this? All right, now, now you can act on it and you've put a postulate into place and you go okay, I will survive and I will flourish and prosper.
Speaker 2:Right, exactly my spiritual teacher used to tell me, israel Malik. He used to say a good idea can buy you anything, but a great idea can buy you everything. That's right. A good idea can buy you anything, that's right. A good idea can buy you anything. And so if, if you got a good one and you rock it with that, rock with it because that's going to get you out of that fear space and you'll never have to be the adverse effect of that because you're not, there's no that. What's the threat? What's the threat if they, when they fire me, okay, I, I got it and I was afraid for a little bit because I need to pay my rent. But what's really, really the threat? When I came up with my good idea to make me some money and get me through that time period, I'm good.
Speaker 1:Right. So the more you're in present time, the less you're in fear. The more you know, the more you're in present time so good, the better the idea that you have, the more at cause you are at. And production is the basis of morale as well too. And when you get into a welfare state society as many societies are on this planet current day people on disability and all this stuff and they're expecting the government to bail them out and get that government cheese and all that stuff You've got no production going on.
Speaker 1:But if you're productive, you won't be in fear and you stay in present time. Go out and take a walk, do a locational look at things near and far away, acknowledge yourself on each thing that you look at, come up to present time and you will not be in fear. So we're going to make this a shorter podcast today because, well, there's really nothing to fear and we hope that we have. We hope that we have delineated this to you because it's it's a very complex, it's a seemingly complex subject, but with a very simple answer. Go ahead, quinn.
Speaker 2:Well, and I also wanted to say that when we're talking about suppressive persons, when we're talking about people who try to get you to feel this feeling, feel this emotion, it's really mis-emotion. When trying to get you to feel this, what they're really trying to do is it's really projection, because if you understand anything about suppressive persons, that they themselves are living in terror. They themselves are in fear, right, and so what they try to do is they try to get you to feel or embody what they're feeling and embodying, and they do it through in order to make you lose control of your own stability, to make you less of a threat to them, because if you're in fear and terror because of their acts, then you're less of a threat to them of uprising or fighting back or revolting or whatever it could be. You're less of a threat, you see. And so they use fear tactics in order to intimidate or control or threaten you, and that makes you so afraid that you can never be a threat to them.
Speaker 1:That's right. Problem reaction solution that is the stock and trade of a suppressor Gosh, and it's never who you think it is. Even LRH says that. But also LRH also says that a suppressive would never think that they were suppressive because they were doing the best they could for the group. This is what mankind needs, all that crazy gobbledygook stuff.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, keep your eyes out, be aware, stay in present time, understand the tone, level of fear, do these things that we're suggesting to you, that LRH suggested to us, and flourish and prosper. And the way out is the way through. And having a good confront, being able to look at something for what it is is, is the utmost and most important ability that a thetan can have, and we highly recommend that, wherever you are, whatever you're doing and whatever comes our way. So for quentin and myself, we appreciate you listening to this podcast. Thank you for being here. Feel free to donate to the podcast to keep us going and and give us more tools to make a a better podcast and give you better websites and everything, so that you have access to the information that we have. We're here for you all, namaste, and we love you.
Speaker 2:Bye-bye Peace, thank you. Thank you, thanks for watching.