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Scientology Outside of the Church Podcast
SE11EP38 - Independent Scientology and Integrity
What if every small compromise made you weaker—and you didn’t notice until it became your default? We dig into integrity not as a moral sticker, but as a lived practice of self-honesty, production, and courage under pressure. From relationships and family duty to career choices and money blind spots, we draw a clear line between what we say we value and what our actions actually produce across the dynamics: self, family, groups, community, and the wider world.
We unpack how normalization erodes integrity—hustle that sidelines your kids, outsourcing elders to convenience, trading ownership for subscriptions—and why awareness is the lever that lifts you out. Instead of preaching “thou shalt not,” we talk ethics as the willingness and ability to create, to help, and to stand your ground when it counts. We explore the path from curiosity to understanding to knowing, and how training, auditing, and real study raise your capacity to act on what you observe, not what’s enforced or inhibited by others.
You’ll hear candid stories about acting on doubt, missing the mark, and correcting course; about money mistakes that reveal what we didn’t know we didn’t know; and about choosing the greatest good over status, slogans, or shortcuts. We also share a practical vision for coaching and community: slow down, uphold standards, pass down wisdom, and help people win without rushing them through. Power is the ability to hold a position in space—integrity is choosing the right position and holding it when it’s hard.
If you’re ready to build real awareness, raise your production, and live your values across all your dynamics, this conversation will meet you where you are and push you one step further. Subscribe, share this with someone who needs the nudge, and leave a review with the one place you refuse to compromise next.
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Hi, and welcome to another Scientology Outside of the Church podcast. This is Saturday, October 11th, 2025. And I'm here with Quentin Stroud. Sorry for the pause. Um brought to you by AOH-gp.org and College of Independent Scientology.com, our online social media platform and online course room for independent Scientology and Dianetics. Quentin, how are you?
SPEAKER_03:I'm doing fantastic.
SPEAKER_01:Great. Good to have you here again today. We are going to do a podcast on the subject of integrity. And uh Quentin and I were discussing this before we got started, as we always do, to get our outline together and everything. And we did a podcast not that far uh back on the podcast track about personal policy. And people might say, Well, what you just you just talked about that. Well, uh personal policy is uh defined by uh what your integrity is, because your integrity includes you yourself on the first dynamic, your uh children, your parents, your significant other, your group or groups, your local community, and the country and world at large. And integrity is key to having good personal policy because if you don't know, uh you don't know, and so your integrity might be one thing, and you didn't know your integrity was uh had any problems. Uh it's sort of like that. Well, they left their bicycle outside last night. Somebody says standing outside your house, they must not want it anymore.
SPEAKER_04:And the next morning you come up, right?
SPEAKER_01:And your bicycle is gone, and that's okay, and this is something we are seeing every minute of every day across the planet, and we'll talk about that, and we'll talk a talk about normalization as well, and how integrity plays a role in your personal policy and the normalizing of things that are not normal. So um Gwen, you usually you you you tend to to do a an opening volley. Um, I'm sorry I took that took it over this time, but that's good. What say ye about this?
SPEAKER_04:Well, you know, I I think that obviously when we look at ourselves, if we were to look in the mirror or do a self-assessment, most people will say, Well, no, I'm about my integrity. Like I do me, and I do me well, right? And and I know what I stand for, and I know what I believe in. And it's kind of almost a major confront to ask a person to really take a moment and check their own integrity level, right? Like take a moment and check your own integrity level. And what I've noticed through auditing um as an independent Scientologist, I noticed that I can sit here and I can talk about um the or I can have an idea about the ways I would handle things. And then as I look over my track, as I go and deal with things in the real world, are there moments, get me, are there moments where I might have backed off on my own integrity in some ways? Are there chances or opportunities where I didn't take that moment, take that chance, take that time to stand up and stand up for what I really wanted or what I really believed in? And then even just now in this conversation, as we're talking here, I think about even something as simple as dating, right? In a relationship and knowing, knowing that the the the flow that I'm on, something ain't right, something ain't gelling, something ain't vibing, something ain't this ain't it. And yet would still stay in it. I'm speaking to myself now. I ain't talking about you, I'm talking about myself. Okay, knowing that this is this is a this is a a stark violation of my own personal integrity, and yet I will still stay in it because I'm you know, I'm just gonna give it the good old college try, you know, or I'm gonna do that. And and every moment, every time that you compromise your own integrity, there was a movie um called Sleeping with the Enemy. Remember that movie, Sleeping with the Enemy?
SPEAKER_00:I do.
SPEAKER_04:Um, and it's it's like every moment that you compromise with your own integrity, it weakens you. God, if you get this. God, if you get this. Every time you compromise with your own reality, you compromise with your own integrity, it weakens you and it makes you less willing and less able. Integrity is so integral to ethics. And when I say ethics, I'm not talking about thou shalt not. Don't when we say ethics in Scientology, don't think about the thou shalt nots. I want you when you say ethics, think about think about your statistics, think about your stats, think about your ability to produce. That's ethics to me, right? And so the the thou shalt do, right? It's the thou shalt not do, right? And and so when you when when you're looking at your personal integrity, it's so integral to ethics uh and and what what one can and will do. See, independent Scientology is is is a practical spiritual truth, a practical spirituality where you start to move and do things in life based on your willingness and ability, which is rooted and and I would I would even say empowered by your personal integrity. Does that make sense?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, right. Are you gonna stand idly by or are you gonna do something something about it? Now, we've mentioned this many, many, many times. Sometimes responsibility is doing something, and sometimes it is doing nothing, but there is also that uh expression that's been floating around the internet for years that that uh tyranny is when good men and women do nothing, and they watch it unfold. What am I gonna do about it? I can't do anything about it. Oh, hold on. You can do something about it, whatever it is, and that is your personal integrity. But you are blinded by what you are unwilling or are willing to do, however you put it. If you see uh two this happened to uh this happened to General George Patton and the Nazis laughed at it. Uh it was reported to the the one of the uh there's a gentleman who was he was a Nazi, but he was a researcher into George Patton's uh history, and uh Patton believed in past lives and talked about them openly, and he was very progressive, and um he was very much a maverick in the in the U.S. Army, but also the best general, very likely that the US Army ever had. And this researcher told his his uh commander that uh at one point in time in the 20s, Patton intervened when two gentlemen were helping a woman into a back of a truck and held them at gunpoint, and then found out that she was the girlfriend of one of the gentlemen and that they were merely trying to help her in the truck, and he thought they were abducting her. That is integrity. He wasn't in the military at the time, but he did have a gun on him because he went to West Point because he thought something something was going on here and it was questionable, and he acted first and said, Hold up, you guys aren't gonna do this. No, he was trying to do the right thing, and that can happen with integrity as well. But if you do nothing, well, that's integrity, a lack thereof, and you you have to be able to know what integrity is. A lot of people they're just I mean mine, uh, you know, what's good for me is good for me. Yeah, no, yeah, and I wanted to go there. So why do you say that, Quentin?
SPEAKER_04:Well, yeah, you know, one thing I'll say is that working and being a coach, even even in the course room, right? So um Arthur and I were just doing our TR pro TRs and working and um being a coach in the courseroom and doing what is necessary in order to move the the the your twin or the student. So when at one point one is a coach, the other person is the student, right? You have to be so responsible for the other person, right? So so imagine imagine society, imagine the world, imagine the planet as a big course room, right? And we all twinning it up, we all trying to figure this thing out, we all trying to get through life uh better for it and the whole bit. And you have to have this level of integrity about you that you don't do sloppy coaching. You don't, you don't do, you don't just uh focus on just get through it, just get through it, just get through it, just get just move on, just move on, just move on. Just you you can't, you have to make sure that you get the person that it's gonna take a way of doing can you hear me?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I dropped out.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, it's gonna take some time and it's gonna take some confront, and it's gonna take a way of doing things that's really uh um valuable to the other person. So, no, you can't just be about me, me, my. You can't just be, oh, it's a dog eat dog world out here, you know. Uh you can't just be about that. It has to be we're in this big course room called Earth together, and we're trying to get each other through it. And and we run these lives, we run these drills, we run these plays, we try to figure it all out, we try to get through it. And if we are good to each other, if we're good for each other, we're gonna get the end phenomena, we're gonna get the win, you see. But if you just go into it with this with a lack of integrity, as it relates to why you why are you here? What is what are you here for? We yeah, just yesterday we did the podcast on am I my brother's keeper? Well, so it was called karma. But I said it in there's like, Am I my brother's keeper? Yes, I am. That gets down that's the answer, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:You can that gets down to knowledge, responsibility, and control, which is power, which is the top triangle above affinity reality communication and understanding. Is if you go, that's right, I don't care, it doesn't affect me. You might want to re-look at that. Nope. Right. I was watching a TikTok the other day, and uh they were talking about why is it that uh when when women have menopause and that that women live longer than men, after menopause it it tends to help a woman live longer because now they don't have that stress in the body, they're done with baby creation and all that stuff, and men live longer than men. And the conversation right the conversation turned to that's because grandma has got to pass down everything. This is now now you're you're in your your final stretch. You need to pass down what you've learned to do and what not to do. And boy, I know you've got stories about about your grandparents and everything, like so do I. And especially, you know, your grandmothers and stuff like that, they're they're there to pass on this this lineage of what you should and shouldn't do. And you know, if you're if your your grandmother ever got cross with you, in most situations, you listen because they know what they're talking about, you know, the the elders and passing down that line, how to how to take care of things, how to take care of life, how to take care of your babies, how to take care of your man, how to take care of this, how to all this stuff. And yeah, that that is a generational integrity, it is an obligation, whether unless you're completely out of communication with them, and you got some overts and withholds on both sides or something like that. That's the purpose that that's what you know it takes, it takes a village to raise a child type of a thing, and they have more than one grandmother, they have lots of grandmothers that they talk to. And and that's that's a point of integrity. This integrity is supposed to be passed on, and so that people learn from it. Unfortunately, unfortunately, it doesn't always work that way, given the socioeconomic situation, uh, how difficult it is for well, this is a point of integrity too, which is in the way to happiness, is you got to take care of your elders, and this is in the Bible, too. And I know you can you can give me all kinds of quotes on that. You know, you got to respect your elders, you got to take care of them. You don't just put them off in an old folks' home and go see them once a month, type of a thing. That's not the way this, that's not the way this is supposed to be, and that is a point of integrity. They took care of you, you take care of them, which leads right back to your point. That's an example of familial integrity, or you you know, first dynamic integrity itself is you have to have the integrity to have, and I'm gonna use the S-word, self-discipline. You have to have the personal integrity to educate yourself on what things how do I put this? What is right and what is wrong? And your personal integrity depends on that to the degree that you act in a non-selfish way. What is your first dynamic? Give you second, what is your second, give you first? Exchange by dynamic, it's a policy letter. Yeah, in the organizational executive course, uh, volume zero, it's in uh our personal um ethics and integrity course, it's in uh the ethics specialist course, all of these are on the College of Independent Scientology.com. You need to understand that integrity, your integrity is as strong as you realize that your dynamics are interconnected. You cannot live on your own without your other dynamics. The third and fourth dynamic. If you haven't got a farmer, if you haven't got a bee to to pollinate that plant, if if you that's right, you're not taking care of the soil, you're not taking care of the mess, the matter, energy, space, and time that allows that plow to go through that soil, and the and everything goes to hell, whether it's the government or the planet's uh uh oxygenated atmosphere, and you don't see that, well you're gonna have a really short trip. That's intake, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:And a bitter one and and a troublesome one.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah. And and you know, when you when you see something and you go, that's madness. This is madness. I've never seen this before in my life. Well, that's a start. That's a start. Yeah, at least you recognize it's a it's abhorrent, it's detestable, right? And then you know, Ella even L R H says, you know, as far as Scientology, independent Scientology goes, is is he is he says at the end of the day, what did you do to help? What did you do to help? And then that goes for everything. What did you do to help? Can you help? Yes, you can. Can you help yourself? Can you help yourself help others? That is integrity. And when you see injustice, when you see injustice, you doing something about that, I don't care what it is. You I mean you have to, and we've done podcasts on the code of honor, look them up, they're there. You can search them in any of the search engines on the podcast on YouTube. Look at the code of honor. That is the ultimate integrity. Your integrity is more important than your current life. Think about that for a second. That's right. What what just out of curiosity, what is what how does the Bible parallel this sort of concept?
SPEAKER_04:Well, obviously, integrity uh is not a word that's necessarily used in scripture, but um, I would say more so from yeah, more so from the from the example of um being true to your own convictions. I think uh Romans talks about you know um each man must give an account to God unto himself. And like what so what you stand for, I think uh Romans chapter 14, it's like it said, um, hast thou faith, have it before thyself, uh according to thyself, before God. For verily, any man is happy, he who is he is happy who does not condemn himself by what he approves. And so the idea is that is that whatever you have faith in, whatever your is your integrity, whatever is your own personal integrity, whatever you have faith in, you gotta have it to thyself first. Have it in accordance with thyself first, before God, before you try to take it to the most high, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, hallelujah, praise the Lord. Before you try to do all that, you got to make sure you have it right with yourself first, and that you stand on that because he happy is he who does not condemn himself by what he approves. And so when you start to move in this journey, when you start to move in this light, you got to make sure that your own integrity is not compromised. You got to make sure your own integrity is intact, and then you take that to the eighth dynamic, right? Before God, right? You did you take you take it all the way out across that and and get this? And when you do that, when you have such a clear truth that emanates from you, and it emanates throughout all of your dynamics, guess what happens? You then expand. I think Illere says that you only realize the eighth dynamic when you have fully foot, when you fully realize the seventh, right? When you fully realize the seventh dynamics, do you do you encounter the eighth, right? And so when that is fully realized, when you fully expand across all of your dynamics, and I'm trying to, I'm saying a lot, but I ain't saying much. You understand? But but you you you you expand yourself so much, and your truth, your uh consciousness, your uh uh sensibilities, you go out, and this is what being OT really is, right? To be a uh uh willing and cause of a life, matter, energy, space, time, and thought. And you and you're able to operate from that level. This is why going OT is so important. This is why getting in remote auditing is so important because you're doing what you need to do in order to be the full expression, the full expression of who you really are. This this myopic small expression of self that we think is I'm just doing me. I'm just being me, you know, take it or leave it, kind of thing. This myopic and small expression of that is limited in scope, is not the fullness of who you are. It's not. And and as we as we come to realize that for ourselves, we actually start to see that emanating throughout all of our dynamics, and life becomes uh so much better for it.
SPEAKER_01:And LRH says, these two are very similar in 1969, HCOPL 7 December, ethics, suppressive acts, suppression of Scientology and Scientologists. Quote, LRH says, What is true for you is what you have observed yourself, and when you lose that, you've lost everything. And he said in 1961, eight years earlier, in Ability Magazine, personal integrity is knowing what you know. What you know is what you know, and to have the courage to know and say what you have observed. Let me repeat that and to have the courage, courage, courage to know and say what you have observed, and that is integrity, and there is no other integrity. So he goes on to say I love it 20 years later in HCOB 15th September 1981, the nature of a being integrity is linked with responsibility and uh wait for it, uh, awareness, essential to retaining spiritual wholeness and freedom, which is exactly what you were saying.
SPEAKER_04:So we're on the same essential to attaining spiritual wholeness and freedom.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah, spiritual wholeness and freedom. Yeah, so it's it's linked to awareness, yeah. It's linked to awareness, and awareness is improved through training, understanding how all of this stuff is the way it is when why, why it is the way that it is, and auditing raises your awareness to see things you didn't see, you don't know if you don't know, unconscious incompetence, you're not aware of these things that you should know, you don't even know that you should know. Think about that for just a second. How can your integrity be high if you were raised in a family that did not have a high ethical level and did things that were harmful to themselves and then resultantly harmful to you? For example, there's a myriad, myriad number of combinations of this, and these are the the the fundamentals, the way you're brought up. This goes back to what I was saying about grandmothers, for example. Did the people that raised you did they have integrity? And that is one of the things that we've seen being chipped away slowly but surely as people are ground down. What's the biggest PTP I handle in session with people all the time? Present time problem. Uh I need to get more money. I need to make more money. How do I make more money? Yeah, and so you've got these blinders on. I must work, I must work, I must work, I must work. I need to feed my children, and your children grow up and you're not around because you're having to work, work, work, work, work, work, work. And then you go, why did my children turn out to be this way? Okay, I'm not saying it's your fault. I'm not saying it's your fault. We have to look at the bigger picture, we have to look at the third and fourth dynamics on this. And and and why I'm saying this is if you're not aware of this, you don't see it for what it is. This is this is where integrity gets chipped away at. And I mentioned this in the beginning of the podcast, is it's normalized. It's normalized. Well, that's just what I had to do. Okay, that's also a justification. Uh, but it's normalized how am I supposed to get ahead? How am I supposed to get up the bridge when I have to do all these things? And you'd be right to say that. But you need to be aware of the system that you are in and how it is created in order to prevent you from actually achieving the things that you should do or could do, and you you can't you can't mature your integrity because you're so busy just trying to survive. And that's that's where we're at right now. Go ahead, Quentin.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. Well, and I think that I think you kind of you kind of bridge two things together that I think is really integral to where many people are. I'll uh just before the podcast, I was talking to a sister and she was just talking about um you know her living situation and finances and stuff like that. And what I'll say to that is that if if if integrity is linked to awareness, and awareness is an um indicator of kind of where you are on the bridge, it's where it's where you are in your uh ability to be free, to go free, right? So if integrity is linked to awareness, and let's just say we just talk about money for a moment. What you're trying to master, what you feel you need, money, money, money, money, money. I need some money, I need to figure this money thing out or whatever. Ask yourself, what are you not aware of when it comes to money? What are you not aware of? Now, I'm gonna speak it from I'm gonna talk about me because I can't talk about you because if you talk about if I talk about you, you're gonna get mad at me. So for me, I remember from 18 years old, I got my first discover car. I got it, I was at I was at uh Arbor University, and I got me a Discover car, and I was so happy. I got me a Discover car. And I went out spending, boy, oh boy, and you couldn't tell me nothing. I was spending, I was buying stuff. I went and bought a bow flex. Remember bow flex? I went and bought, I went and bought a bow flex, and I was good. And you know, I don't like it to work out, so I very rarely used it, but you know, it was just a thing to buy.
SPEAKER_00:I got it, I can do it anytime I want. I can't use it.
SPEAKER_04:And it and it said right in my living room, but I remember hanging, I remember literally, I remember hanging clothes on the bowflex so they could drive.
SPEAKER_00:We've all done it, we've all done it. I need some place to drive this shirt before I go out on a date, hang it on the bow flex.
SPEAKER_04:I but I had no awareness about money, and so therefore, I could not be integrital as it came to money when it came to money, I could not do the right thing. Hear what I'm saying, people? I could not do the right thing as it relates to money because I was not aware of what I was not aware of as it relates to money. Now, some people would say, Oh, you know, that's just silly. You was just being a child, a kid, or whatever, whatever, just blowing your money, whatever. And yet, how many of us still don't know certain things about money? Don't know other ways and means of making money, don't know that there's more to money than just a nine to five and going, you know, whatever, whatever. How many of us don't know? And so if integrity is linked to awareness, or awareness is linked to integrity, then let's find out what more could I be aware of. This is why training is so important. This is why diving into your coursework is so important. Don't just start listen, don't just start a course, and just because you come across the first MU and you want to blow or whatever, get help. Set an appointment.
SPEAKER_01:with your with your course supervisor make sure you sit down and get the help that you need to get through the material because when you when you when they say when you know better you do better right that the thing that and then what people say i'm from alabama when you know better you do better and so if if in if if if awareness is linked to integrity the increasing your awareness is going to make you more integrityful and you're gonna do the right things and you're gonna get the right results LRH goes on to say in 1968 in the Introduction to Scientology ethics book integrity is central to conditions and responsibility he stresses that one must hold to personal observation in truth despite pressures pressures so in he says in 1954 this is quite a while before that integrity is dis discussed quite a bit then in the sense of wholeness of a being and how out integrity leads to aberration and then in the in the late night uh early 1960s he goes on to say integrity is framed practically maintaining one's own values observations and survival is imperative across the dynamics in order to have integrity it isn't just money money money money money it is I need to better myself so that I can help other dynamics and other dynamics can help me I one of the things that you see in the church is he who has the most toys and has the most money wins and and I don't blame the people that that occupy that viewpoint because they have been led astray that is not what it is all about. It is about your spiritual awareness across your dynamics and what is the greatest good for the greatest number and of course the first dynamic is the first dynamic you've got to help yourself in order to help others if you can't run well you're you're never gonna make it to the finish line metaphorically speaking and you need to be able to run how do you run well there's a certain tech to running not just on a flat track or on a cement road you need to know how to run over hilly and bumpy country and get across rivers and get across streams maybe climb trees and all this and this is awareness this is awareness how do I do this and then once you know how to do it now you have integrity of okay I can keep my body alive long enough to help my children to help my family to help my friends to help my coworkers to to help this planet but if you stand idly by and you just go well there'll be food at the grocery store it's not a problem no there won't no there won't because if you don't support this infrastructure that's helping you survive which means helping yourself and helping others hell I didn't I've even got out of my success story I didn't even like people until I got done through OT7 I'd had I was trained as an auditor and I was just I worked by myself had my own business I didn't want to have anything to do with anybody else because I felt so horribly betrayed even though I was trained as an auditor knew about help becomes betrayal and everything I could just get the stuff done that I needed to get done on my own but when I started helping other people as an auditor and I finished OT7 and I looked at it and went I love beings I love people and I can help those people and when I started doing that the money followed the the the ability to train myself more the ability to go up the bridge more increased because I was I said by God somebody's got to do something about this and to this day I keep my personal integrity in with people and when they come to me and say well there was this stand this unstandard tech and there was this and this person said I was this when I really wasn't and they were a bypass case you know how hard it is to tell somebody you got out tech and you didn't get what you were supposed to get because you didn't know what you were supposed to get and you took their word for it because they were either being lazy or they were just doing their own thing rolling their own Scientology coming up with processes and all this stuff and people are promoting it like we talked about in the podcast yesterday uh with the Karma podcast you know you you have to stand your ground you have to be able to say and this comes back to conditions the condition that you fail to assign is the condition you take on that that is personal integrity despite all else despite all else you have to help your fellow neighbor you if you know something is going down and it's illegal and when I say illegal illegal is a especially right now illegal is a transitory term and not all laws are helpful and not all laws are put there for the right reasons this that little gray area in between is integrity period think about that for a moment yeah and what and what's right is right you know what's right is right and I you know I I totally get how do I say this I totally get the whole law and order message okay I'm talking about a message not a not a people okay I totally get the whole law and order message but I wonder um when when that viewpoint is uh enforced or when that viewpoint is uh promoted in such a way where it starts to then encringe upon the right thing.
SPEAKER_04:So it'll be it'll be different if if we said um you know the right thing is the right thing to do doing the right thing is the right thing to do versus law and order. You can I want you to hear the difference okay doing the right thing is the right thing to do versus law and order. And where does that where does that leave one at what point on the CDEI scale he did it he did it at what point on the CDEI scale does that where do those land right doing the right thing is the right thing to do huh you know what yeah you know what I I can see that I want I wonder I wonder what's the right thing to do in this situation. I wonder what's the right way to respond in this situation. I wonder what's the right you know that's more curious right like I wonder what's the right thing to do here right versus law and order enforced you know right and so just kind of kind of getting an understanding of what's happening and where we fall as independent Scientologists and as people who are uh people who want to uh live in truth and live in the light and live in a way that um it that that we're doing the right uh the greatest good across all of our dynamics that is I think a better way of weighing those two things out in our own in our own minds.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah and and it's important to note and I know we've said it in earlier podcasts and there are people that haven't heard those podcasts so above curious the C D E I scale is curious desired enforced with an E enforced because people think sometimes it's something else but uh desi uh excuse excuse me curious desired enforced inhibited no and o as in not and then refused but above curious and this is where integrity comes in like I said earlier LRH says what you know is what you know and what you don't know is what you don't know so when I'm telling you about the C D where both of us are telling you about the CDI scale above curious is understand and above that is there you go is no KNOW what you know is what you know ability magazine issue 125 February of 1961 if you don't know it you don't know it okay and you you don't know it I'm gonna put I'm gonna put that on a t-shirt yeah if you don't know it you don't know it go look for it and understand it then you will know because when you went to look for it guess what you were doing you were being curious now if somebody's trying to enforce something on you or is inhibiting something on you or refusing your rights or saying you have no rights what are you dealing with they don't want you to know they don't want you to know and right that's what happened to the corporate church of Scientology LRH turned Scientology over into the hands of the organization itself in 1968 and said I'm out you guys take care of it I need to get on with the research and he came up with all kinds of fabulous technology the L rundowns expanded dynetics the data series the data evaluators series all of these things it bought him time he literally said that because he knew if I'm weighed down by all this stuff and I trust you guys with my baby this organization I trust you guys with it I need to build a better bridge I need to find solutions for these things this is what this guy did think about that for a second you're saying okay I'm gonna send my kid off to school and you're gonna take care of him you're gonna educate him that's the organization known as as quote unquote corporate Scientology in 1968 so I can move on and I can come up with all these other technologies in order to help my fellow man that is integrity and I know you guys will do best with it and everything like that and they did not and that's a whole other podcast and we've talked about that a lot but he did that for better or for worse because his integrity said I need to do these things and there are people there's more there's more and there are people out there that kept trying to stop him they prevented him from from going back to his own home paid for with cash through his own labors doing all those lectures from 1951 all the way until 1960 when he bought St. Hill is he late 59 or 60 don't quote me on that but it's in that neighborhood he got kicked out of the country he couldn't go back to his own home so he said you know what I'm gonna buy a ship so he went out and bought a ship and started doing his researches on there and said you guys take care of my kid it's called the Oregon the Church of Scientology International okay you guys take care of that I'm gonna do this research and I'm gonna go out on the water and then they were denied food fuel medical supplies so on and so forth when they were on this ship and you know what he did he's like okay they're gonna do that all right I'm gonna go incognito we're gonna keep this thing going on back channel lines we're gonna get uh flag land base put here and this will be where everybody's trained to the teeth just to the teeth and we're gonna have perfect auditors produce there and everything like that meanwhile he's he's in lurking in the shadows getting all this stuff done because he sees how quickly society is going downhill in the early to mid 70s with the drug culture all the Watergate stuff all this stuff going on people had stolen the Scientology technology and using it you were using it in CIA so on and so forth he kept going that's integrity that's integrity that's what you have to do despite all else if you know this is the greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics and he's he this guy this guy sacrificed his own dynamics okay and we could get into that whole story and everything maybe we will in a uh podcast here next week but the point is is that he's looking at what's the greatest good for the greatest number i mean he he he was doing fine he was making money uh money but he put the church there with his own writing nobody nobody paid him to create dianetics and Scientology he did this all on his own because he knew it was the only way out with this technology what he discovered and he even doubted his own discoveries in the beginning that's integrity as well who does that most people just go it's mine bitch I know it works he didn't he didn't that's integrity where you can go I might be wrong maybe we need to work on this and and so you he didn't know everything either but he went and looked he got curious then he understood then he knew and then he said check this shit out look at this we we can do this with Quentin and I were just reading about uh promotion yesterday after the podcast and we were going over promotion after AOGP and all this and and he is he he he's got it all put there in writing who does that who does that nobody tells you how they do things these days because it's a corporate secret it's a corporate secret I can't give you the cow and now so what what do they do?
SPEAKER_04:You used to be able to own software used to be able to own things now everything's on a on a subscription basis a subscription basis you don't even own it anymore what is that it's not capitalism for sure because you never own anything Apple can take away your and record your entire recording library and every movie look at your terms of service for Apple Amazon Spotify everything else they can say oh no you don't you can't have this anymore you don't own it is that integrity but they they know you're not going to read the terms of service okay now you have a guy who says okay this is the way out of this trap called planet earth and he says here's the map here's the map I'm giving it to you the work was free keep it so that is the ultimate uh integrity and I'm not just tooting LRH's horn I'm just saying nobody does that stuff and and we're lucky because we have all this stuff available he made it available to us you used to have to be able to buy this stuff and it cost us a small fortune and costs an even larger fortune now if you buy it from the corporate church but wait it's changed because they don't really want you to know they don't really want you to know we're taking a point of integrity in doing these podcasts quickly approaching 200 podcasts 200 podcasts out of that that that's that's 200 hours plus including post production and pre-production out of our lives Quentin's minds Arthur's now granted not everybody's been on the podcast every single episode but that's quite a bit that's integrity yeah I'm gonna toot my own horn that's integrity okay we're putting this right we're putting this stuff here for you and we're telling you giving you references and saying you want another reference you want references for free go onto our website and download them the rest is up to you that's your personal integrity you're curious you read it you understand you know it then you can say right now you know and you can say this is the right thing to do that's integrity sure it's not easy to confront even LRH says I have a hard time confronting evil but I'll tell you what if you keep your integrity in you're gonna be a lot better shape next lifetime and the end of your life even if your body dies you're still gonna be around and you can look at yourself and go I feel goddamn good about myself I know I did what was right that's integrity that's right I'll step off of the box now I'm no I mean yeah toot your own horn toot your own horn because the truth the truth of the matter is is that by the the way we do what we do at ALGP and in it within independent Scientology it is so in my opinion so revolutionary and so um integral to where we are in the 21st century how we offer remote auditing how you can take all the classes right there on the college how you can sit there and you can go line upon line precept upon precept and you can dive deep into this stuff the the the the uh oracle the pedal that's there that allows you to reference certain materials allows you to get the knowledge that you need you know there's so much available um and for those of us who are curious I want you to hear where you are for those of you who are curious you know and you want to do more you want to understand more you want to know more then you're gonna reach for those things and that's where we come in we come in to support you in that we come in to support you uh in the in the place where it's like okay we you're curious let's talk anybody can message me and and many and many have many have they will message me hey can you tell me more about this or I really enjoy that podcast we're shift off some dah da da da and we will have good two-way communication and all of that is the the purpose of all of that the purpose of that energy shared and exchange is to give you the wherewithal to go ahead and make the commitment to your own progress right so you talk to me you talk to Jonathan you talk to art you do you know whatever whatever and the whole purpose of it is to give you the courage and the I won't say permission because you already have the permission but give you that that that I need a little help just to make it I need a little help just to do the right thing I need a little help just to get on course I need a little help just to get on up the bridge I need a little help and I'm thinking about a brother right now in New Zealand that I really need to thank you spirit a brother in New Zealand I need to reach out to like like like there's so many people across the planet that are reaching for what we're offering here in ALGP and it's now time if you're curious reach out if you're curious comment below if you're curious have the conversations that you need to have if you're curious we can even help you find the resources if that's a thing right and trust me I know what I'm talking about when I talk about this though because I find money now and that's one thing I do okay it be hid places but I look up under the cracks and crevices I I find money okay and so if that's something that you have then I I need I need to get this thing together but I I gotta find the money I got to find the time I got to find it is if if you're trying to find it seeking you shall find seeking you shall find so we're gonna do this so I'm really really excited and and with the level of integrity with all the integrity that I have within me I'm here for you and I know Jonathan's the same way I know art is the same way there's so much that we want to offer and so much that we want to do to help because people need it nowadays I know you know exactly what I'm talking about.
SPEAKER_01:I'm saying a lot but I ain't saying much that's right people need help nowadays and we have help and we want to offer it to you so let's connect so if you if you're you're curious on the CDEI scale all right integrity is not obedience it is self-honesty it's the courage to uphold one's own knowingness and the refusal to invalidate one's observations power is the ability to hold a position in in space as I mentioned yesterday and have in many many other podcasts at LRH says that is the definition of an OT it is the foundation of ethics auditing gains and true freedom get curious while you can and we'll help you do that. And help yourself so that you can help others because other others will help you and we're helping you and we know we know what is here and what you can get from it and how it can change your life and the lives of others in your family and your friends and your coworkers and the world at large so integrity isn't a bad thing. It's a really really good thing take care of yourself and have self-determinism on your own personal integrity and you can do no wrong if you do right an honest day and bye bye