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SE11EP40 - Independent Scientology and Social Veneer
The smile can be sincere—or strategic. We unpack the “social veneer,” the polished front that people, media, and institutions use to manage perception, and we show how to read the cracks before pressure turns into control. With clear examples and references to LRH materials on the tone scale, automaticities, and the Chart of Human Evaluation, we connect everyday manners to deeper circuits that say “now I’m supposed to,” and we explore why shifting tone—polite request, firm push, covert threat—so often signals manipulation rather than care.
You’ll learn practical tools to spot the mask in real time. We break down problem–reaction–solution tactics, the role of generalities in selling fear, and why virtue signaling is a tell for performance over substance. We demonstrate the power of one clean question—how do you feel about help?—and explain how comm lag exposes a person’s true position on the scale. We also talk about personality testing as a way to strip away rehearsed answers, revealing where the case is stuck and where freedom can be regained.
Most importantly, we move from awareness to action. We share step-by-step ways to raise confront and judgment: targeted study on ups and downs, auditing to peel off circuits, and daily habits for verifying facts and mapping claims to observable reality. You’ll leave with a simple checklist for spotting inconsistencies—how someone treats waitstaff, how they handle stress, whether answers arrive clean or dodged—and a method to choose allies who give and receive help without hidden hooks.
If you’re ready to see past polite words and keep your self-determinism intact, this conversation is your field guide. Listen, share it with someone who needs sharper tools, and then tell us: what cracks in the veneer are most obvious where you live? Subscribe, leave a review, and join us next week as we keep building awareness—and using it.
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Hi, and welcome to another Scientology Outside of the Church podcast brought to you by AOH-GP.org and College of Independent Scientology.com, our online course room and social media platform. Uh, I'm here with Quentin and Arthur and this is season 11, episode 40, the last episode of season 11. And we are going to cover the subject of something that is hasn't really been talked about. You don't see people talk about it very much unless they have a good understanding of it, a really good understanding of it, but it is very, very important. The social veneer. So we wanted to discuss it given the current failing of the social veneer. Go ahead, Arthur.
SPEAKER_03:So I just jumped on just to have a quick look at what social veneer is. Um, the term social veneer generally refers to a superficial, often pleasing an appearance or manner that an individual or group presents to the public or to others in social interactions, which may conceal their true, sometimes less attractive nature, feelings, or circumstances. It is often used critically to suggest a false front, a polished or respectable exterior that hides underlying flaws, imperfections, or unpleasant realities, or two, the lack of authenticity that a person's social presentation is not their genuine self, but a mask put on for acceptance or to manage perception. So it's almost like a um like a duplicitness as well, in a sense, isn't it?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah, it's a it's a false front. Quentin.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, we we in Alabama we call it two-faced it. Oh, two-faced itself.
SPEAKER_01:Right. Right. And and and Lrh says in in the Dynetics as early as 1950, he says the social veneer is thinned, beneath beneath it, beneath it, beneath it lies the reactive mind with its stored pain and emotion. And and that is the crux of the matter. And this is and we've said this in podcast after podcast after podcast that Allery says in the HCOPLs. Look, don't listen. And this is why he says this. Because you can what it what's that uh I just saw it on TikTok last night. I it's actually I sent you guys the video. What is it that expression Maya Angelou says?
SPEAKER_00:About oh, when so when somebody shows you who they are, believe them the first time, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Right, and that's when they drop their social veneer. And this is something this is something that you have to operate with modern day, right this very moment. And as we make this podcast, again, I forgot to mention the date. Today is Saturday, October 18th of 2025. And at this point, the sun is not coming up just yet on the east coast, but today, October 18th, is No King's Day, and this uh peaceful protest is scheduled to take place in over a thousand locations in North America and um Europe. They've already started in Europe since it's already morning. There, they're they're what five, six hours different. And I bring this up because I want this to be put out before everything gets started in the US. And the social veneer is he says, you know, he says in uh keeping Scientology number one, the social mis veneer may seem mild by comparison, and that is what we are talking about in this is that in looking, not listening, and being aware of the social veneer, the social veneer is thinner than it ever has been. Almost it doesn't exist in certain circles with politicians, with government, um quote-unquote enforcement. I'm not even going to say law enforcement, I'm just gonna say enforcement. Um, and this goes as far as the constitution, it goes as far as a person's uh code of honor, Scientology code of honor, uh, the code of a Scientologist. There's a social veneer to that. So we want to want to get into that and how it is that you can spot it, and how it is that you can deal with it um and not be the adverse effect of it because of that which you understand you cannot be the adverse effect of. Quentin and I had a conversation earlier this morning about that as well. So I'm gonna I'm gonna let you guys run with it for a moment because I've I've been talking quite a bit. So go ready.
SPEAKER_00:Well, uh I I'll say this that that when we look at society, uh LRH talks about this in a lecture on uh the Chart of Human Evaluation Part One. Um, this was given in uh 26 June 1951. And he basically talks about this social veneer that exists and about how um this social veneer is actually kind of bred into us, right? That we're we're educated with it. We're uh uh kind of it's almost like an enforced kind of thing where uh it says he says here, but where it comes to a punishment-drive society, the social veneer is a pretty forced proposition. People really get knocked around. Consequently, your pre-clears can be expected to have been thoroughly educated into the fact that they have to be social, have to be agreeable, have to be this, and they have to be that. This runs straight through anybody you're going to process. You could actually pick the social education off the case, and you would find him coming up the toe scale. This is interesting. But uh, he continues, but you would find something else happening a little bit. You would uninhibit him a trifle. So think about this social veneer, and once you pick it off the case, you would un-inhibit him a little a trifle. It is not true that you would unbalance him to a point where he would suddenly start doing antisocial things. You're just picking some of the suppression off of him. So I think this is really interesting, LRH. I think this is really interesting that when we go into processing and when you're uh uh doing remote auditing, what ends up happening is you start to pull off this social veneer and you start to see the true person emerge. But what you're really doing is you're pulling off the suppression where he's been educated to be social, he's been forced to be agreeable, he's been told that you better act right or Santa Claus ain't gonna give you a gift, you know, whatever, right? And all of these things become a part of the social veneer, and the person thinks that they're being a great person when in actuality they could not be, you know, and that that comes down to virtue signaling as well.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, yeah. I don't know if anybody any of our listeners know what virtue signaling is, but you know, I I feed my kids, but you're supposed to feed your kids, you know, it's saying I'm a good person. That's that's part of a social veneer, is when you have somebody saying, Well, I do this and I do that, and things that they're supposed to do, that is an indication of social veneer. I feed my kids, so right that and that that is a social tone level, as we mentioned before, but it's it's important to note that you have to be able to spot what a social veneer is in order to be able to spot that chronic tone level, which we've talked about ad nauseum almost in a lot of our podcasts. Um L H says, and this is in the Science of Survival, uh, and you may be looking at I think you are, you're looking the same thing I am, Quentin. Um he says, but he is giving a present time manifestation which has social veneers, it's manifestation. For instance, if somebody gives you something, you say thank you. The reason you say thank you is that because you appreciate it, but because you get your head knocked off when you are a child, if you don't say thank you, it is a very simple question. Not saying thank you equals being slapped.
SPEAKER_00:Right. So it's it's it's my mother were pinch. She a pincher, she's like, What did I say? You know what you're supposed to uh you should pinch it, twist it.
SPEAKER_01:Right. And that that comes down to automaticities. And now this is gonna get deeper than people thought it's it's gonna get down to. But when you're dealing with a social veneer, you're dealing with what LRH talks about um a lot as as an automaticity or a circuit that now I'm supposed to okay, and this is part of uh the makeup of the social veneer. Not that this is gonna go in a in a direction you don't expect because if if you are given something as a news report, or you're given uh information from somebody, whether you can confirm it or you cannot confirm it, and especially these days, it's very difficult in some cases to fact-check things. Is it in writing? Well, does it is it in text? Is it in video? Is it in audio, is it audio video, that sort of thing? Because you need to check your facts, and those facts need to be from a reliable source, which we brought up a lot in the last many podcasts recently. But uh if you're given something and it's information, you are trained from childhood on to respond in a certain way, that is part of the social veneer, shock and horror. Oh my god, we've got to do something about this, take away our rights or whatever it is. That's part of the social veneer. How do you handle this as an independent Scientologist if you don't know the information on how it is that you can be controlled, how you can be misled, how you can be shown something and say, Well, this is what we need to do. We need to give up our guns, for example. This is awful. All of these kids getting shot in schools, what's going on? Take our rights away, please. That is part of the social veneer. Yep.
SPEAKER_00:Yep. Because if you think about it, take a look at it. Why would anybody why would anybody advocate for less power or less um, you know what I mean? Why would anybody advocate for less personal protection? You know, it's interesting because I was in South Africa some years back, and um, I was in Johannesburg. And as I was around Johannesburg, there's this veil for me, there was this veil of I need to be hyper-vigilant, like I need to protect myself, right? And so as I was walking down in um, I was in the CBD, uh central business district in Johannesburg, and I found some amazing bookstores, some really nice places there, but I kind of just had this thing like you need to protect yourself. Anyway, and while I was there, it kind of caught I cognitive that there needs to be a personal protection uh business or market or something. There's a personal protection thing that really can really do very well there. Just hint hint. Um, anybody want to start a business in South Africa? Um that personal protection is a big thing. And so when you think about it, whether it be having like, you know, handheld weapons or having something that you can do just to kind of protect yourself when if somebody were to come in behind you and grab you or mug you or try to mug you and stuff like that, why would anybody advocate for less personal protection? Right? I'm not saying that the government shouldn't protect you or you know, there shouldn't be a you know, uh an enforcement team or whatever roaming the streets to help people or whatever. I'm not saying that. Um, but why would somebody advocate for less personal protection unless it's a part of a social construct, it's a part of a social veneer, it's a part of this thing that if you don't do this, then you're not as safe.
SPEAKER_01:Right. Right.
SPEAKER_03:And and what is a scary trap, and it's and it's getting worse and worse and worse. Um like like even here in Australia, um it's it's insane. Like what what's the what is it where they where you cause a problem or allow a problem to occur and then you become the solution? Um you keep saying it changes. That's right. You know, here it's it's insane. We're not allowed to protect ourselves at all. You know, if I can't even defend my home if if somebody was invading it. Um what kind of life is that? Which not only that encourages people to invade homes because they know if they go in and they get hurt, you know, they use these systems for their own benefit. You know, some people will create issues because, you know, due to mental health reasons, they'll get compensated for that if they become victimized in the situation that they created. Right. And that's just increasing and increasing and increasing and increasing. And then there's people that want to do the right thing, that want to live a wholesome life, inverted commas, and then you get these kinds of things occurring and they can't even protect themselves. It's insane.
SPEAKER_01:Right. And and that's part of the reason why I wanted to do the podcast, is um, you know, a a small example of this is in Missouri, where I'm from. Um, if you you I think it's Kansas and Missouri, don't quote me on that. Uh check, check online, and this is not legal advice, and I am not an attorney. If you if you have somebody who is uh intruding on your property and a fight breaks out, and it's outside of your house, you can be tried for involuntary manslaughter or manslaughter. If they are in your house, it is considered protection of self. And it's been known ever since I was a little kid that drag that body inside because you the the laws aren't in your favor, and and and I want to I want to make this point straight to what Arthur's talking about is part of the social veneer. Um, and uh John Kennedy uh in his very famous speech mentions that they seek the the the powers that be seek to control by overt or covert means, and we'll we'll break this down very particularly. Quentin, what is an overt and covert mean?
SPEAKER_00:Overt would be something that they do like out broad out in the open, and so they'll do uh they'll try to control by an overt mean of like squashing you or or beating you in the streets or something like something very overt, right? Exactly. And then a covert, a covert mean would be something that's um more hidden, more underhanded. I think you were just talking about it, uh that that um uh problem reaction solution. Solution, right? Yeah, problem reaction solution. That's more of a covert means of control where it's like I'm gonna create the problem for you, get your reaction, and then give you the solution. Say, see, I'm on your side, right?
SPEAKER_01:But it's all in the name of we're trying to protect you. Okay, now this is what whether it's governmental, please whether whether it's governmental or it's an individual, somebody you know in your family, a friend, a a significant other, a business deal, whatever.
SPEAKER_00:I lie I lie to you to protect you, right?
SPEAKER_01:Exactly.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, so that's like we're that stupid as a human race, we can't protect ourselves, and we need another entity slash force to do that for us. Well, that's like I guarantee if I was carrying around a gun, there's less likelihood of me getting robbed.
SPEAKER_01:Right, right. Well, well, we'll take it even further. You you need to protect your money, and you need to give it to us, the bank, to protect your money. Because it's a dangerous environment out there, and you never know who's gonna find. And I watched this TikTok video with this uh older uh black lady in Georgia, and she was just going off about having, and and I know Quentin being from Alabama, right next door to Georgia, that people have their money in a in a mason jar, in a folders jar, surrounded by this underneath of that, underneath, you know, you know, and and this this is the thing is you're being told from the aspect of a social veneer, which is being used as a covert means, problem reaction solution. You heard the other day that the convenience store got robbed down on the corner, quick trip. Yeah, they got held up. Wow, this is a dangerous environment. We need to get some more laws put in there. But the thing is, is who created the dangerous environment? Okay, and you can pull that string back. But this is all part of this. There's a so there's a real social veneer, which is one thing, and and there's being social, that's something else. But the thing, yes. Quick, go ahead.
SPEAKER_00:No, that you're absolutely right. That that's and I think that that's what we're being made to believe that by applying social veneer, we're being more social, right? By applying like like difference between social personality and antisocial personality.
SPEAKER_01:Thank you.
SPEAKER_00:By a by applying social veneer, you're being more social, but that's not true. That doesn't change the being, that doesn't, that doesn't improve the person. It just kind of puts a it just puts some macurichrome on it and just says, like, you know, oh, you're gonna be okay, you're gonna be all right if you act this way. That that's not what makes a better person. Right.
SPEAKER_01:And so no. Arthur, you look like you had something you wanted to say.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, look, I I totally agree. And and and even in everyday pleasantries, um, and I say it all the time, where especially around the whole thank you, you know, if somebody, you know, there's you know, thank you for your service, and then well, thanks for that. You know, it's the same kind of words, but the undertone underneath it is is it's just a lie. And it's like, well, I did say please, so why can't I have this? You know, I did say thanks, so why are you so offended? And it's and it's that kind of thing that that's on a micro level, right? And that's that's something we can observe all the time. But what about a macro level? Right. You know, when when everybody's behaving that way, when society says it's nice to be polite, but you know, if somebody's in a situation where they're far from wanting to be polite, then it's gonna show.
SPEAKER_02:Right.
SPEAKER_03:It's and and even just looking at um uh let me go back, okay, around the the social veneer. Okay. Oh okay. You keep you guys keep going when I find it. I'll just go.
SPEAKER_01:Well, what what what I was gonna say to that is you're looking at this now. I'm supposed to. There's this automaticity within the the one of two layers of a social veneer. Is is somebody being nice because they are nice, or are they being nice because you're supposed to, because emotion is used per LRH to get a desired response? Are they sincere? Are they not? Is it real? Is it not real? Why do you not tell people anything anymore than they they need to know as a child? And if a stranger walks up to you, why do you why do you you say stranger danger as an example? That's the far left of that whole factor. Okay, so you know that's that's something that needs to be paid attention to is you know, is it live or is it memoric? Is it real? Is it not real? Because then you go the adverse effect of it based off of now. I'm supposed to. Well, wait a minute, there there are laws that say I can't do this, this, and this. But the opposite side of the coin is for example, you need a warrant from a a government policing body to enter your house. Well, this was just removed by our the United States Supreme Court just the other day that ICE does not need a warrant or probable cause, they can break your door down off of a whim, a gut feeling. It isn't even reasonable suspicion. Okay, now where the social veneer falls down is right there because you have certain inalienable rights in the United States based off of our constitution, the Bill of Rights, these are things that were added to the Constitution not long after the Constitution was signed. Now, I'll go back even further, and I know you guys are gonna jump in on this. And I'm not being critical, I'm just using this as an example. The U.S. Constitution, for example, in 1776, was written by wealthy landowners who had many, many slaves. Okay, right there is a social veneer. Okay, we you know, all men are created equal except slaves. Do you get my point?
SPEAKER_00:Yep, yep, I understand.
SPEAKER_01:And this is what Arthur's talking about. Go ahead, Arthur. You look like you found it.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, yeah, I went past it. All right, give me one second, one second, one second.
SPEAKER_01:I wanted you to finish your training.
SPEAKER_03:I've been I've been I've been going nuts looking looking into this because this is the first time I've actually heard of um the social veneering. The term um so for me, for me this is but we see it, but we see it every day.
SPEAKER_00:We see we see it, we see it rampant every day, and and what I hear Jonathan saying is that as things are put into perspective and as things are brought to the light, that social veneer can no longer stand, right? It it devote what once things are overtly start to be brought to the surface, that can no longer stand. But then it starts to get, in my opinion, it tends to start to get a little bit more horrific because now you see the true colors of a situation. LR said LR says here in that same lecture, um, uh he says tone 1.5 is of course authoritarianism. Here you have the electric shock, the prefrontal lobotomy, and the rest of those things. The case will be tractable. The person can be put into a state where he can uh where you put his hands up and he will leave his hand up. In other words, he will be completely tractable. Hear this so you got a social veneer of 1.5 authoritarian authoritarianism, and you got all these mechanations of authoritarianism. 1.5. This is LRH now. He said that the per the case will be tractable, that a person will be in such a state where you'll have him put his hand up and he'll just leave it up, just like that.
SPEAKER_03:In other words, many social experiments, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:He'll be completely tractable. It says the case will the case is not well, though. Um, the only way you can get well, and the only way you can get the case uh can be safe, or the social order can be safe around the case, is for someone to push him up the tone scale. I think this is so interesting that to have somebody to be so controlled, so tractable, so malleable and moldable, like do what we say, do what we say, do what we say, we're gonna keep you safe. That is actually very authoritarian. That's very low tone. And you can see where the case sticks or lands in that kind of tone level. And the only way you're gonna get the person safe and the social order around the person safe is to push them up the tone scale.
SPEAKER_01:Right. And the and that that that comes down to it comes down to El Ellen and I've mentioned this again. I've mentioned this in a lot of um podcasts where LRH says, even I have a hard time confronting evil. Okay. And then you get into Axiom 11 in Scientology, the isness, as isness, not isness, altar-is-nessness, isness, okay. The is-ness is, okay, and is-ness is the way that something is. Okay. What is a social veneer? It is an altar, isness of that person, that group, that society, that governmental body that is saying a certain thing. And in this case, what we're seeing right now is we're here to protect you. Our cities are on fire, windows are boarded up with plywood, and then you talk to the people in that town, and they're going, No, they're not. But see, the thing is, is you're dealing with covert hostility, and that there's all of this panic and everything is going on. That is a false social veneer or a lie. And for anything to persist, there is a lie behind it. We've covered this recently in podcasts to our our um listeners that listen to our podcast regularly. You're like, yeah, yeah, yeah. So the tie-in here is the social veneer is an alter isness, and emotion is used as a desired result. Now, if you don't get the desired result, you change your tone level. You either go up the scale on the emotional tone scale, or you go down. Little boy says, Mommy, I want a cookie, says it very nicely. Mommy says, Billy, no, we're gonna be eating dinner. I don't want you to be filled filled up with cookies so that you aren't going to eat your dinner. And Billy goes down the tone scale and says, Mommy, I want a cookie. I've said the exact same thing, the exact same analogy. Okay, so what you see with covert means in a social tone, uh, an antisocial tone level, as a social veneer, is somebody tells you something other than the reality because, well, we have your best interests at heart. Do not make that mistake. Do not. I've had my own father, I've told him, look, this is what's going on. Here are the books, read them. Well, what's it about, John? Oh, I don't want to read that. If that's going on, I don't want to know it. Boom. Boom. Where is that on the the CDEI scale? No, understand, curious, desired, enforced, inhibited, no, no, refused. That is refused immediately. So, what happens with the social veneer is that can't be true. Nobody would ever do that. Well, talk to the journalist. Germans in the 1930s, Germany. I'm giving you an actual real example. And this goes all the way down from that from governments and countries to the world stage down to your own personal life. Is the social veneer is at an all-time low. And you know, people say, Well, that that might be good. You know, uh, you know, Han Solo says, I I I I prep I prefer uh you know a fight out in the open. You know, I want to know what I'm dealing with. Okay, well, that's what we're here talking to you about right now is don't fall for a social veneer that is being passed off on you that says you need to abide by these rules that we've set, but we can break them. What is that? What did you tell your kids? What did your parents tell you? You know, do what I say, not as I do, not as I do. That's the social veneer. Because well, we're we're your parents, we care about you and we're trying to take care of you. Okay, I'm not saying your parents weren't lying to you, but I and and in certain situations that that is the case, but you have to look at it and go, okay, where does the good control and the bad control enter in? Because bad control as a kid teaches you you were controlled badly, so you veer off in one direction and you decide I'm never gonna do that with my kids, and your kids still end up being brats, and you go the other way, and your kids end up being good kids, like Quentin and I can't speak for you, Arthur, but uh the social veneer now has changed to where in Canada, if you spank your kid, that's a felony.
SPEAKER_03:You can't discipline your kids, right?
SPEAKER_01:It's the agreed upon social veneer set by law. Is it true? Well, in some cases, maybe it is. Well, in others, it's not. But uh you have to look at this and you have to go. This is what we're dealing with is we're dealing with a false social veneer. They would never lie to me. The government tells me to do everything on TV that they tell me is true. And you've heard me say over and over and over do not trust the media. The media does not give you any information that they don't want you to know. It's bought, sold, and paid for, and has been for a very, very long time. You want information, you want to see what the real social situation is. You're gonna have to dig deeper and you're gonna have to find those sources. For me, it's true, what's true for me is true for me, and this is where this all comes full circle. And we just did this in a podcast a week or two ago, is your awareness level. And what we're trying to do in this podcast is get you to know that you can improve your awareness level and see things for what they really are. We're not trying to be doom and gloom and sad and all of that stuff, but we are trying to point out that if you can bring up your awareness level and you understand the tone scale, you understand the chart of human ability, you understand these tiny little bits of wisdom that LRH put out there through over over the years in both policy, the ethics book, which is basically a book version of policy that he created on the subject matter of ethics, and be able to see the trees for the forest and have that perception, that awareness of what's really going on, how valuable is that to you?
SPEAKER_03:Oh, it's it's extremely valuable. So I found my thing, and it was around asking um how can you how can you spot social veneer? Um, and it's quite interesting. Um, and it's very it's very tech related. Um, and so it's looking for differences in people. So, so an example, the treatment of weight staff or subordinates. And so I had a really good friend who was absolutely beautiful to me directly, but then we'd go say order a coffee, and then the way they treated weight staff was so rude and so direct, and then I couldn't quite work it out. I'm like, why are they so nice to me? But then everybody else around them, they're just really unpleasant towards. Um, and so as we're looking at this, the social pioneering, that's that's an actual thing that you can look out for, or it could be a reaction to the way people um react to stress or criticism. So when they're when they're putting up a front that they're totally calm, they're totally this, and then something happens in their life, and then bang, they're totally broken, they're angry, they're the complete opposite to what you imagine. And I think the point of this is looking for cracks and looking for the inconsistencies in what's being presented to you, um, which is kind of cool. And as we've been talking, there's this word around this whole thing that keeps floating in my head that I think is obligation. And so we constantly feel obligated to be a certain way according to what we're being told, right?
SPEAKER_01:That's the now I'm supposed to. This is what I'm supposed to do. And Allerade says the probably the most um effective way to be able to spot somebody's social veneer or lack thereof is to ask them, so how do you feel about help? Help is the make-break point on a case. Do you feel like you can be helped? How do you feel about other people? Can they be helped? Can you help other people? Can do you feel that if somebody is incarcerated for crimes, that they can be repaired? That sort of thing. And you have your answer, and and you have your answer twofold. We've talked about com lag in past podcasts. If you ask somebody, so how do you feel about help? Let's let's let's do this, Quentin. You're you're you're a person I've met in a restaurant, okay? That's your that's your mock-up. Okay, okay. How do you feel about help? I mean com lag. Right. They try to help me for what? What you're trying to help me for? Right. See, so you're you're what you're seeing there between Quentin and I is it's that somebody has to pause and you you already have your answer in in the com lag. If it was immediate, now give it to me again with no com lag. Okay. Okay. Hey Joe, how do you feel about help? I mean, I think people should need to be helped. I mean, when you see somebody in eat, you help them. There you go. You see the difference to our listeners? That comm lag is one of the things that tells you what you're dealing with already before they've ever said a word. It's an index in and of itself underneath the question. This is what LRH says, not what I say. There's tons of material on comlag all throughout this 50 years of Scientology almost. So that's the point you need to look at first. Now their answer is is secondary. So if somebody says to you, Hey, hey Joe, how do you feel about help? Now give me the Comlag Joe.
SPEAKER_00:I mean, people you got you can help some people, but you can't help everybody.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, good. So what do we know when that happens, guys?
SPEAKER_00:We know that there's uh some stuck point on where that person is, like on the tall scale, and we know that there's a stuck point how they actually want like feel like they can be uh a help.
SPEAKER_01:Right. Curious, desired, enforced, inhibited, no or refused. Which one? Inhibited. Right. Right. Now, if it's the other Joe that answers without comm lag and says what you said, curious, desired, enforced, inhibited, no or refused. At least desired. Right. Or above, yeah, right. Yeah, and if if it's immediate, it could be no. I know people can be helped. I've been helped. Okay, yeah, people help me. Right. So you're not dealing with as much of a social veneer there because people will say what they think that you want them to say. Wow.
SPEAKER_00:And so when you were just saying that, um, have you seen those uh TikToks or YouTube videos or whatever where somebody will be in need on the street? It'll be it'll be a prank, not a prank, but you know, it'll be a concocted experience, but somebody be in need, a guy walking with no shoe and his shirt, da-da-da, and like five people have walked by him, avoid him, da-da-da-da-da, you know, refuse to help him, that kind of thing, or whatever. And then there's somebody be like, Are you all right? Do you need help? Are you okay? And then that person who comes up to them and actually tries to help, they'll pull out like$10,000 and be like, you know what? You really helped me. I appreciate that. It's$10,000. What? Oh my god, you know, yeah, and they gotta go here. But I think it's so powerful that that you can like literally do this social experiment where it's like you're in the streets and you clearly need help, whatever that looks like, and five people will walk by you or refuse to help you or go the other direction or whatever, and yet there's somebody that would say, Hey, can I help you? Are you okay? Do you need help? And there's no combat. As soon as they see you, they're just like, Are you okay? You know, yeah, right. Wow, that's that's what came to mind.
SPEAKER_01:Right. And that's the thing with the social, that's the thing with the social veneer, is modern day what we're seeing throughout the world and the United States, is you have people who are in need of help. Okay, they're being taken away in vans, so on and so forth, without due process or anything like that. Nobody is stopping this. They're not intervening. Those guys, they have tasers, they have guns. Only in rare instances, like in Chicago, for example. Uh, or no, I take that back. Uh Portland. The um, yeah, the governor of of Portland, of uh Oregon, said that the um reservists were there to protect the protesters. Now you tell me why from who right, you tell me why they chose Portland as a target in the first place to go and handle because it was on fire. You want to know why? Because they're up tone.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Get it? Get it? Okay, too happy. That big they're too they're too happy. We need to fix this. They're willing to rise up because they've done it in the past. So you're you're dealing with a false social veneer, with a social veneer that not only is the social veneer, but is people who want to help one another and grant them beingness, therefore, they are the ones who are having to defend themselves from this false social veneer. That's it's tricky to think. Go ahead, Arthur.
SPEAKER_03:So on this subject, then, like with what happened in Nepal recently, yeah um, how would you how would you view that where the where the public came together to um to change the government, essentially? You know, there were things that were that came in and they came together to to fight as a as a as a society. How would you view that in this context?
SPEAKER_01:From an LRH viewpoint, not my viewpoint, but just with the data that I have to think with, the first thing that popped into my head was they decided to assign their parliament and government body a condition of danger and bypass habits and normal routines. Because they saw what they were dealing with was a false social veneer, and they said, wait a minute, these guys don't mean what they say. That's the altar is. They saw the altar is, and they said, We're assigning you danger, you're not doing anything about it. We're warning you. They were they were very organized on their social media and everything, and they said, We're warning you, we're warning you, we're warning you. Okay, now we're gonna bypass and we're gonna burn the parliament down. That is an example of seeing a false social veneer or social social veneer, if you will, and them coming in organized and taking matters into their own hands and restoring democracy. That's my take on it.
SPEAKER_03:See, that would never happen here, something like that. Like the military force here would just prevent it from happening, which is why I think a lot of people won't stand up in a sense or go against social veneering. It's it's kind of easier to to stay well fed, to stay comfortable, than it is to go against the grain or protect yourself.
SPEAKER_00:Well, right. I mean go ahead, Grenton.
unknown:Go ahead.
SPEAKER_00:Well, I was just gonna say, and in that in that mat in that moment, the military kind of becomes the stormtroopers, you know? It's like right, it's like they're protecting they're protecting the empire instead of the rebellion.
SPEAKER_01:Right, because the government, any government is sub is supposed to, this is this is key that you get this. A government is supposed to work for their constituents in a democracy.
SPEAKER_03:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:But that's see, that's the thing. The social veneer is uh, you know, uh George Carlin said it best from a religious standpoint, you know, God loves all of his children, but go ahead. I can see it in your eyes, Quentin. He loves all of his children, but he will strike you down and destroy you because he loves you. Right.
SPEAKER_02:That's to say that.
SPEAKER_01:Right. But see, that's that's that's a social veneer right there. That's how tricky, because you're being told one thing, because and this gets into we talked about this, and I hate this term gaslighting, is you're saying reality is this, reality is this. Yeah, but that's not my reality. No, you crazy. You crazy. This is reality. That is a social veneer. Okay. So you're dealing with governments that are supposed to uh protect its citizens, but in in fact, they're working against their citizens through taxation, through laws that don't represent the citizens but yet control them. That is a social veneer. Okay, and that is what you're dealing with. It's not just a person, it is an electorate, it is a religion, it is a uh uh uh a social circle of people in a book group. It is all of these things. If you can see through this glass ceiling, you can break out of it, and the social veneer is so so thin right now. Yeah, I'll give I'll give you that's the important part. That's the important part. Yeah, and we're about we're gonna wrap this up here. We've got about 10 minutes. That is the important part. When push comes to shove, you have food, you have water, you have generators, you have fuel. Okay, and that's what these preppers are all about. You see it all over TikTok. You know, this is what you do in martial law, this is what you do in this, okay. That's what you need to look at is that the social veneer is very, very thin. It is almost transparent right now, and you have to be aware of this. And the way to improve your awareness is to understand and get the point that we're getting across. Things are not as they seem. That's why social veneer and understanding it is so important. I'm not telling you to be scared, we're not telling you to be scared, we're trying to educate you to see the trees for the forest. That's what we're trying to do. Okay, educate you.
SPEAKER_03:Interesting because um, while we're on this subject, I remember when I did the um life's ups and downs course. Um, that really opened my eyes to these kinds of dynamics. Um, and it made it so much easier to see them as they're happening. Um, because like how often, you know, do you buy into something and then it's not until later or it's too late, or you've become the adverse effect of something that you start to realize, hang on, you know, why didn't I see that before?
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_03:And doing such a simple course, yeah, and doing such a simple course um really really shows these traits um into real real simple examples too, real everyday examples. Um, and it's and it's an easy course. Like you could do it in a day, two at the most. Like it's such an easy course, and it makes such an impact to open your eyes to these things where it not only does it help you on a personal level, person to person, but then you start to see it leaching outside of that, as you say, John, in media, in government, in things we're constantly told, you start to see the inconsistencies. And for such a simple basic course that anybody could do without any pre-course um necessity, like you don't have to do any other courses, you can jump straight onto this course today without any pre prerequisites to do it, um, and really get into it.
SPEAKER_01:Yep, it's on the college, conquering ups and downs is that is is our version of the ups and downs course. And that's yeah, that's that's the important thing because in so getting that information, you you learn what the antisocial personality qualities are. And one of the things that we see so much every day that we're being it's just being thrown down our throats as a manipulation tool, gaslighting, you're being told one thing when it's really another, lying, is these generalities. This city is on fire, it's full of crime. It's you know, we're going in, yeah. We're we're going in to remove the worst of the worst. Okay. Right, right. So you're you're busting into somebody's bedroom that has a child, a baby, a baby in a bassinet, and is in their robe getting ready for work, and because of the color of their skin, they're the worst of the worst. They're trying to get ready to go to work, or the gardeners pulled off of his job, or the tree trimmers pulled off of his job, or whatever. These are generalities, okay? An SP, a suppressive personality, deals in generalities only. And in this situation, where's the worst of the worst? Where are the gang members being picked up? I'm I mean, you know, the the just look, it's there, right? This is a false.
SPEAKER_00:They're not at Lowe's, they're not at Home Depot, right? They're trying to look for work. Where's the gang members?
SPEAKER_01:Right. They're productive members of society, they're trying to feed themselves even courts are overflowing, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Courts are overflowing as well, you know, increasingly, you know, over the stupidest things.
SPEAKER_01:Right. And and we're we're we're what we're seeing unfold before our very eyes is a situation where, and this is globally, it's not just in the United States, is where somebody says, Well, this is this is a law, and and then you have a judicial system that says, okay, this is what you should do if they're not bought and bought, sold, and paid for already. Is the judicial system is saying, you need to do this, Mr. President, and the president says, So what are you gonna do about it? Because the judicial system relies on another branch of government called law enforcement. And if the law enforcement is not on uh in agreement with the judicial judicial side, game over. Okay, and so you're seeing a consolidation of power globally, and LRH talked about this 1952, the shades of night. I've mentioned it many, many, many times. This is what's happening. Technology has gotten to a point, and so far that the shades of night are closing. He didn't say it might happen, he said it will happen. Okay, this is the false social veneer that we're dealing with is do as I say, do not do as I do, and we're at the bottom of the CDI scale, which is refused. Your rights are refused. Okay, so this is this is a global PTS in this, and I've said this in other podcasts. Uh uh 95% of all of our personality tests have a PTS graph since COVID. It was 70 to 75 prior COVID.
SPEAKER_00:Wow.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, so what's going on globally? I see these personality tests from all over the world, primarily in English-speaking countries or people that speak English as a second language, that are doing these personality tests. As a society, we are being suppressed by a false social veneer. Don't fall for it. Educate yourself through courses, listening to lectures, and above all else, getting in session so that you can see the trees for the forest through awareness. That's what this podcast is about. I'm not trying to doom and gloom it, I'm trying to open your eyes. We're trying to open your eyes. That's what LRH.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, and LRH talks about that with the um with the personality test. He says the personality test strips off the social veneer and shows a true state of case and personality. And so, yeah, if you if you have never, if you've never done the personality test, uh like click on the link below. It's it should be below this video. Click on the link below uh and take the personality test. Get yourself like actually taking an actual look at what where am I where am I covering, what am I hiding? What am I covering with social veneer and what needs to come out to the light of day so that I can really see what's my state of case?
SPEAKER_01:Right. And that that's an interesting point because a lot of times what we see when people do the personality test, do you know what we see? The social veneer. Now I'm supposed to. They answer the questions on the personality test as to what they think we want to hear. That is a circuit, that is the social veneer, and the test shows it. We see it and we go, okay, they didn't answer these questions for what was really happening with them. They answered with now I'm supposed to answer these questions in order to be social. This is how I'm going to answer it. But we can see it. That's how thick the now I'm supposed to circuit is in this society. And that can get you killed if you're not careful. Not that I'm being doom and gloom, but I'm just saying you need to be aware of this and be a cause over it with other people, and all you have to do is ask them, how do you feel about help? And you have your answer. No other question than that. Isn't that interesting? So in closing, yeah. In closing, get on course, get in session, start your next action. If you have back off, the less you want to be in session, the less you want to be on course, the more you need to be in session, the more you need to be on course. The way out is the way through. I tell my solo people all all the time if you feel like you don't want to go in session, you need to go in session that much more because you should want to progress. Pull out the stops, get up the bridge, get on course. You need it now more than ever because the social veneer is nearly transparent. You don't want to wait. Get on your next action as soon as possible and make the time. There's nothing more important than getting up the bridge. Because the worst feeling in the world ever is having had an opportunity and now it's not there, no matter what it is, whether it's freedom to buy the food you want, whether it's to take your kids to the park without fear of being abducted, whether it's going outside and enjoying the the sun instead of being housed in someplace you don't want to be. I mean, we could go on and on and on and on. The fact of the matter is that you can survive anything, and a Thetan can be anything. And we want you to be happy, we want you to flourish and prosper. But knowledge is how you stay in front of this. You can't be the adverse effect of something that you understand. So please, please, please ask people that you deal with how do you feel about help? And get around people that feel about help the way that you do. If you're listening to this podcast, you know that help is possible. Get on course, get in session, email us, message us, WhatsApp, telegram, whatever you have to do, let us help you help yourself. Namaste, and we love you. Bye-bye. Bye-bye.