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Scientology Outside of the Church Podcast
SE12EP2 - Independent Scientology and Quality of Communication
Most conversations fail not for lack of words, but for lack of duplication—the moment when what you meant is what the other person actually receives. We dig into the mechanics that make that possible: cause, distance and effect unified by clean intention and steady attention. Instead of “talk more,” we show how to raise ARC—affinity, reality and communication—by adjusting the one variable you truly control in the moment: distance. Too close and roles collapse into reactive fight. Too far and the line disperses into silence. Manage that space on purpose and understanding follows.
We trade theory for tools. You’ll hear how a charged word like “love” got reframed to “ditto” to restore connection without triggering the past, and why that simple swap preserved meaning while rebuilding trust. We unpack TRs, the training routines that teach you to confront without flinching, acknowledge without surrendering the steering wheel and keep a two-way flow on track when emotions spike. Expect honest examples of flunks, baited reactions and the small wins that stack into real skill.
Communication isn’t just with people. Goals, habits and even your workspace respond when you engage them as terminals in a line. A reach–withdraw drill helped a student reignite a stalled study streak by aligning intention, body and environment. The same principle can move a project, a team or a relationship forward: define cause, set the right distance, create effect, maintain attention until duplication occurs. If you’re ready to trade noise for clarity, try these steps today and tell us what shifted.
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Hi, and welcome to Scientology Outside the Church Podcast. Uh, it is Quentin Stroud here with Arthur Madakis, and we are gonna be talking to you today about communication. We're coming to you from AOH-gp.org and collegeofindependent scientology.com. And so, how are you doing, Arthur?
SPEAKER_02:I'm doing all right. I'm doing all right. It's um so we're gonna be talking about the C word, are we? The word that everybody hates.
SPEAKER_00:The word that people hate. And it's so weird. Yes, yes. Um, listen, communication is a big, believe it or not, it's actually a big topic, and it's a big, scary topic to a lot of people, uh, whether it be public speaking, whether it be, you know, in relationships, whether it be, you know, dealing with you know having an actual communication with your boss or somebody who is like whatever it is, there's this fear that comes along with it. So we're gonna dive into that a little bit um as we go along.
SPEAKER_02:So, what brought you to wanting to do this one? Why communication?
SPEAKER_00:Well, you know, you you said something uh in one of our recent podcasts, the one you did as an interview with Jonathan, and you talked about how um honestly communication is everything in this universe, if you really think about it. And it is, yeah. And LRH talked about this in the uh Scientology Axioms, but it really is everything in this universe, and the way you said it um in the podcast really stood out to me. It's like the more you looked around your life, tell us how you said it again. You just saw communication was everything.
SPEAKER_02:I remember how I said it again said it, but um, but in the sense um and it is everything because communication is not only the things we say, um, think or feel, but it's it's also um the way we communicate with our own environment, um, in a physical sense as well. Um, the way the sun communicates with the with the trees and the flowers and our skin, the way the earth communicates with tree roots, the way the way rain communicates and becomes water. Um, it's it's a very big, big subject. And it's not just as simple as we've been made to believe it is. It's it's much larger than that and much more important. Um, you know, you consider relationship dynamics. What's the one thing that fails all relationships? Communication. Yep. And you taught me that one um through through doing values. Um and as I was going through values, what's missing? Communication, communication, sex, communication, money, communication, all that food, communication, you know.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. And and I and I think it's interesting because when we when we look at it, because it's so I guess comes so naturally, and I'm using that in air quotes, you guys can't see it, but because it comes so naturally to us to communicate, and I say that from whether you're a baby, whether you're, you know, as you're growing up or whatever, because it's just a thing that we do, whether it be verbal or non-verbal, whether it be touching, you know, the keyboard on your computer or you know, handling food to put in your mouth, all of this is communication with someone or something. And because we do it so normally, maybe, I think we can kind of sometimes take it for granted, right? How many times have you been in a situation with someone or a conversation with someone, and you'll say, like, you know, I just want us to communicate better. We are communicating, we are communicating, you know. And there's this what do you want me to say? You know, and there's this there's this whole uh uh charge on it where it's like you think that just because sounds are being made, or just because touches are being had or sex is being had or whatever it is, that that's communication, and on some rudimentary level it is, but what's the value of it? What's the quality of it, right? And I think that that's where I really want to dive into this kind of the quality. Yes, that's the the topic is the quality of communication.
SPEAKER_02:Interesting, interesting. Well, how does one create a quality style communication? Well, you know, there requires integrity, there requires honesty, there requires certainty, there requires aberration free. Yes, aberration free, yes, you know. Does anything aberrate the sun's rays from a flower? No. Does does a dog barking at another dog, does anybody aberrate that? No.
SPEAKER_00:I think it's I think I think it's so important because when you look at the quality of communication, Ellerate says here in a lecture he did on communication uh January 7, 1954. He said the subject of communication consists of these parts. One, the communication line, and two, the two terminals, right? Um, and as we're looking at these things, the perfect communication is a duplication, and the Thetan, you, the individual, doesn't want to duplicate this exactly when he is an effect. So what happens is this when you you have a communication happening, and there's a cause, distance, effect. This is the communicate part of the communication formula. So there's the communication line, and then there's a two terminal on each side of the line. So imagine in your mind as you listen to this cause, distance, which is like a long line or how whatever the distance is, and then effect, which is the one that's quote unquote receiving the communication. The problem is, is that perfect communication requires duplication. But the person who is at effect might not want to be that might not want to be at effect, so they cannot receive the communication. It says, unhe says here, unwillingness to duplicate a communication is unwillingness to duplicate. And unwillingness to duplicate then makes it necessary to change position in space. In order to keep from duplicating, one has to change position in space is he if he is being duplicated too. So if all these conversations are happening, so you're trying to have a communication with your partner or your boss or whoever, right? You're trying to have a communication. The person has to be willing to duplicate you, and if they're unwilling to duplicate, they're gonna keep shifting position. Have you ever had that happen? Have you ever had it happen where somebody keeps changing position? Like, wait, we're not talking about that. Wait, no, stay on the topic.
SPEAKER_01:Are we talking about communication? This is about communication, isn't it?
SPEAKER_00:Not about cats. Why are we talking about cats? You know, and so what happens is you can tell when a person is not interested in or willing to receive your communication, or i.e., willing to duplicate you to fully understand. That's why when we say duplication in Scientology, we're talking about full conceptual understanding, right? And so when you communicate to someone, and that person is willing to duplicate you, they're looking, they're they're eager, even for full conceptual understanding, and they'll stay in position to duplicate you.
SPEAKER_02:This is good, and that's just one cycle.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, right. That's just on one cycle. That's just one full cycle. They have to be willing to stay for the entire god. This is so good.
SPEAKER_02:That's right, that's right. And what's interesting as well is um, all right, let's let's create a scenario. You've got person A on the left and person B on the right, and and they're standing opposite each other. So person A is the causal point, and then the distance between them um is the distance. And so using sound, particles will be passed through the ether and through the air to person B. But you could pick up a rock, and that rock could be a particle that's going by a distance and being the communication device. You know, a projectile can be a communication device, it doesn't have to be words, right? Um and so if person A, because there's two sides to that, because if person B is refusing to duplicate, is person at person A causing duplication to person B as well? You know, so what is person A? And like in a scenario like that, who's responsible, person A or person B? So is person A causing causing the effect, trying to be duplicated by person B? You know, how how much at cause are they actually? Yeah, um, because there's a lot of reasons why somebody may not want to duplicate something, um full stop. And the duplication side of it is really interesting. It actually, while I was doing the pro TRs, that was a hard one to get around my head. Because you and I, while we're doing the podcast, we're actually duplicating each other. So we've got a two-way com going on, we're acknowledging what we're saying, and then we're we're we're switching causal points and we're switching effect points. Um, it's a it's a two-way com. Um now, if I was just doing all the talking and you were just acknowledging, are you duplicating or are you just acknowledging?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah, you're you're you're actually not there to duplicate, you're you're you're there as a like a dead terminal almost. And if and if you think about it pretty much. If you think about it, if you like to have a battery, think about when we say terminal, think about the battery in your car. That's what comes to mind for me. You think about the battery in your car, and if both if the battery is good, the battery has juice, but if one of the terminals is corroded, it might have some battery acid or something on it, you know, it just needs to be cleaned or something like that. It doesn't get the same effect, right? It doesn't, it doesn't get the same juice going. And so the idea here is that if you have someone who you're communicating to and they're not willing to duplicate, it's just like a dead terminal, right? Have you ever heard the saying, um, I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall, right? Yeah, and it's like it's like that there's there's nothing there. There's nothing there because there's no willingness to duplicate, and I think this is so important. And so as so LRH goes on to talk about this because we're talking about the communication line itself, and then we're talking about the two terminals. Now you said something earlier, Art, where you talked about both of those terminals have to be able to just for a moment kind of put aside their own aberrations in order to receive the duplication of the other person. Think about this. If if you're listening to me, but you're listening to me through your own filter, right? You're listening to me through your own stuff, and so I could say I love you, but if that word is attached with pain or trauma or right, then it's gonna be filtered through that. And so I keep saying, but I love you, but I love you, but I love you, right? But all you hear is boom, pop, hit, slap, kick, punch, whatever it is, right? And so it's so interesting to understand that when you when you're communicating with someone, there has to be intention and attention. So we have the communication formula coming together, right? We have cause, distance, effect with intention and attention, right? And for with the purpose of or for the effect for the result of communication or a duplication. When these things are in place, you can have a perfect communication, and and quite honestly, per LRH, you can solve anything. Communication is the universal solvent.
SPEAKER_02:100%, 100%. Like even in Dianetics 55, Ron Um LRH is talking about um no communication um in certain situations, and and he was in conflict with that, like he wasn't quite sure which was appropriate, more communication or less communication, because some situations have an appearance where no communication would be the answer, but it's actually incorrect. You know, the correct answer is actually more communication. So the example you were giving about your partner telling them you love them, and then they see it as uh as a traumatic response because of their past hurts. Um only more communication can can recover that, you know, and that could be as simple as you know um asking them and and duplicating their responses, asking them what's actually going on for them, and you know, maybe you need to change your language, but without communication, you'll never know.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, then that example literally came from from my experience, literally came from a past uh relationship where my ex had issue with that word, and so we had to come up. We actually came with our own word, which was ditto. We would say, so we would never say you we never said the L word. The L word was a four-letter word in our relationship, right? It was a curse word. Um, and so we would always just say ditto. And so we would before we got off the phone or before we left each other's presence, whatever, all right, ditto, ditto.
SPEAKER_02:And but how did you how did you come to that? Um, like what what what did it take to to uh come to an agreement that ditto was was the new four-letter word?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, well, what once I and and this was interesting because this was when I was in God 11th grade. So this was way even before I really discovered Scientology. But uh in 11th grade, I was rocking with this because I was like, something's going on here. Because when I would say those words to you, it doesn't feel like you're duplicating that, it feels like there's some resistance there, and um, or some shifting of position. There's like I say, nope, like dodging it. Like, think about like like the matrix, like you're not gonna receive the love, and so I was like, something's going on, and finally in conversation, it came out that there was a lot of trauma around that, a lot of stuff around that word, and and based on that movie Ghost with Patrick Swayze and Demi Moore. Uh, that's how we came up with the word ditto.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, yes, yes, yes, I love that movie.
SPEAKER_00:Um, but that's how we came up with the word ditto to to communicate. I I feel it, you feel it, we both feel it. And so it was Ditto. Yeah, yeah. But but but saying all that to say that it as the because the willingness was there to communicate, because the willingness was there to duplicate and to be understood and understand, because the willingness was there, we were able to effectively communicate with each other enough to come up with a new style of communication or a new way to communicate to each other that worked for us, right? Still, still following the communication formula per LRH, but it was something that we had to do for us to make sure that that our communication was fully received and duplicated versus not be, you know, and that was important.
SPEAKER_02:And it's interesting as well, like while we're doing the um the TR4, it was interesting to um to recognize the different styles of responses, um, because we're working off the worksheets, um, and we're we're mocking up um scenarios to a question, and you know, you're to stay at cause and keep the conversation going. Um it was interesting while we're going through that process. You kind of think you know communication because you speak. You know, yeah, I can read and write, of course I can communicate. Um, you know, I could tell you how much of an asshole you are when I need to, and I could tell you I love you when I need to. You know, and we think it's really that simple, and it's and that's all there is to it. But then to be able to confront something and be confronted by something and remain a cause, um creating an effect and making sure you're getting duplicated is much harder than than you might think. Um, you know, how many times did we flunk over and over and over? How many times did we fall into each other's baits over and over and over? How many times did we get stuck on what to say, how to handle something? Um, and once we've started working it out, it was actually really simple in nature. Um, because our minds have just been so polluted with potential responses that are more reactive responses than an actual response, like a wholehearted original response and origination. Right. Um, you know, I'm sure we had many moments where little valences were popping out that even we were under unaware of as potential responses. Um I just encourage everyone to do these these courses, you know what I mean? Like it's they're so powerful and they're so simple, and the way it gets broken down and the way you get trained through them, like, oh my god, you know, the intention wasn't to promote the courses, but do the courses, like it's insane.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, because because when when when we were doing our pro TRs, um uh TRs is training routines for those of that are uh maybe new to independent Scientology. So when we were doing our professional training routines, we were we were really trying to make sure that each person, uh uh the student and the coach, that we were we were able to communicate effectively in each unit of time. And what happens with this is that sometimes these things will turn on. Um, and you might have felt this way in some of your own flows, like where it's like I'm trying to communicate, but it's not coming out the way I want to want it to come out, or it's coming out too much or too forcefully, or I'm not saying the things the way I want to say it. And I think this is really important because when you're seeing this happening in your life, you know almost intrinsically, your body even knows, your nervous system even knows that that's not what I mean. Ah, you know, and people will get kind of like sad about it, right? That's not what I meant to say. But but what ends up happening is this becomes almost like an automaticity. It automatically turns on, right? It just automatically turns on in you, like you said, whether it be from valences from the past, past identities, uh, mama, daddy, sister, cousin, brother, now, my first girlfriend, my first boyfriend, my second wife, my third child, whatever it is, right? All these things start to turn on, and it's like I feel like I'm communicating not with you, the person right in front of me, but I'm communicating as another identity to another identity. That ain't fair, yes, that ain't right, yes, right.
SPEAKER_02:Well, it's not, you know, and it's it's not intentionally dishonest, but it is dishonest to some degree. Um, because the person will only choose to do that because they're afraid to say what they think, or they they may not know how to say what they think, and you know, so you you withdraw, or you only give little bits and pieces, or um, you know, and and it's really simple and innocent. Like I do believe there's a lot of innocence in that style of communication. Um, but it's not until you see otherwise and you start to learn otherwise that you can really see how bad it actually is and and how much uh trouble it actually causes, um, especially with loved ones, because you know, they're your most intimate relationships and they're the ones you're most comfortable with. Um, but are you really that comfortable with them where you can't even express wholeheartedly?
SPEAKER_00:Right. Well, it's interesting because really interesting. Yeah, because uh LRH talks about distance. So again, let's give it the formula again: cause, distance, effect with intention and attention for the purpose of duplication, right? And so the distance part we just kind of think I'm over here, you over there, right? That's the distance part. I'm over here, you over there. Uh I'm in I'm in Malaysia, you're in Australia, uh, I'm on this side of the couch, you're on that side of the couch, you know, whatever. But the distance is an integral factor in communication. And it's the distance of the communication line that actually is probably the most qualitative aspect of it. Because think about it, I'm me and you. So the terminal is gonna be the terminal. The terminal is what the terminal is, aberration and all, crazy and all, cute and all, whatever it is. The terminal is the terminal. I'm me, you, you. So that is it's the distance that's in the middle there that's so interesting. That's the thing that's qualitative. I want you to get this, because this is where then ARC, affinity, reality, and communication, this is where ARC, which ARC basically equals understanding, affinity, reality, communication equals understanding. This is where ARC really takes hold. Because if you if I'm me and you, you, I got my aberration, you got your aberration. Unfortunately, it is what it is right now, and we're gonna have to figure this out, right? But it's the distance that actually is the qualitative point because we can always kind of work with that, we can always shift that a little bit. We can get closer, we can get further away. I can go take a walk, you can go to your mama's house, whatever, whatever. It's the distance that actually is most qualitative, and so with that distance being something that you can kind of work with a little bit, you can actually improve. Hear me, you can improve or destroy the quality of communication.
SPEAKER_02:Interesting, yeah. I really like what you just said then, because also that distance separates you and I. Yeah, because if there was no distance, you'd either be you or I. It's not you and I. Oh, that's good. Yeah, and then what's interesting is with the ARC, that's what creates the affinity, is those two points of distance actually not coming together as one, but it's it's some kind of unity, like the uh intermingling, you know. That's where perhaps you and I could be one, like in say in a romantic um sense, where your energies are so in alignment, the affinity is so strong. You know, how often have you been in love and um it everything's everything's working and you feel like one, you think the same, you love the same food, you dress similar, you walk similar, you talk similar. You know what I mean? Um, that high affinity, that full ARC, when it's running, it's like, wow, this is incredible. But it wouldn't happen if you didn't have distance, would it?
SPEAKER_00:No, it oh my god, this is so good. Kid this LRH says it this way in the in the same lecture. He says the task of the Thetan is to interpose some distance on a communication line, and as long as he can keep some distance on a communication line, you know, not too much distance and not too little distance, he's all right. But when he becomes unable to impose space between two terminals, which is to say two terminals, point A and point B, when he becomes unable to impose some space or is unable to limit the space between A and B, that means he can make it bigger or smaller. Uh, you see either condition, A B goes zing and gets infinitely long or infinite distance, or they go so smash and they collapse together. So think about this. As long as I don't you feel it, as long as the Thetan is able to interpose some distance in a communication line, he'll be all right. You you're good. I listen, I'm gonna be me, you're gonna be you, we're gonna we're gonna vacillate together. Right. But if that distance is not able to be imposed there, right, either far or close, close or far, it says A B goes zing, I'm out of here, and gets infinitely long or infinite distance, or it goes smash, and now we gotta fight.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah. That's perfect. It's perfect because it's so true, right? It is so true. You know, how often do you just want distance? Yes, no communication. Well, when I you're you're in a warrior, so you like this well, or you know, in in times of fear where you just want to be so close, it's destructive, it becomes destructive, it becomes too encroaching um on the other person. Yeah, yeah, that's that's really interesting, maintaining your distance as well.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, or just or just being able to impose that at will, like you as a being can say, but but now, and and this is what's important. I think I think that um it needs to be said that because we're talking about quality of communication, I think it needs to be said with ARC. So you're able to impose some distance in the communicate on the communication line with ARC. So that doesn't mean like I'm out of here, I can't talk, I'm I'm not ready to talk to you. I'm right, it's not like that. It's like, listen, let's take a moment. Let's like obviously right now things are kind of heated, or whatever the case may be. I'm not really duplicating you, you're not really duplicating me. Let's take a moment, let's get some distance, and then let's come back and revisit this at a later time. That would be a sane way with good ARC to impose distance on a communication line per LRH, right? And as long as a thing can do that, he's all right. Talking about sane, right? As long as think about this, as long as a thing can impose distance on a communication line with ARC, he's saying he or she is saying if she if they if he or she cannot impose distance with ARC on a communication line, it's gonna look insane, it's gonna look crazy, it's gonna look like I'm out of here, I can't do this, or I'm finna whoop your ass, you know, kind of thing. And and this thus then creates a healthy calm cycle.
SPEAKER_02:And the key is is learning how to remain at cause on both sides of the fence.
SPEAKER_00:Well, how to remain at cause and be okay with being at effect, because that's it, too.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, and also being able to duplicate as well. So, so looking at that cause, distance, effect, um, attention, duplication, understanding, um, you know, just that formula. If if each one of those words requires some kind of discipline, some kind of confront, some quite a kind of causality, and some kind of knowing how to do from both parties. You know, it's it's great if if one party knows all these things, but it can be quite challenging if the other party doesn't either. And so something you said to me a while ago as well, actually. Um, you know, if you're in a situation where communication is an issue in your relationship, well, learn how to communicate.
SPEAKER_00:Make that a priority. Make it a priority. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. And there's that many courses out there, you know, and of course, the best course you'll find is through AOGP at the independent Scientology Organization. It actually has a free communication course that you can start with, get through your TRs, practice with your partner, you know, fisticuffs may arrive. They may not. A lot of love making, a lot of yelling. It'll be a dynamic experience. It'll definitely bring you closer.
SPEAKER_00:Isn't that wonderful? Eller Ridge goes on to say here, he said, well, when he's unable to control this distance, he goes down. On the other hand, toward a complete identification when there's no distance in there. And on the other hand, why he goes up towards an infinite difference, which isn't good either. Because when he can't communicate with anything, and so he gets entirely lost. So when his ability his inabilities become great, he either gets entirely lost, which you call a dispersal case, or the two terminals collapse and he gets entirely identified, which is your valence case. You see this? So when he cannot control distance of communication, think about a child, think about somebody who can't communicate effectively, right? They can't control the distance difference of communication or distance of communication. So yeah, so they get entirely lost, which is a dispersal case. And you can you can you probably seen children like this, like they can't even think for themselves, or they can't even everything is like my mama, my mama and my daddy won't this, or they won't be proud of me, or they won't love me no more. It's always sticking with their thoughts, right? Um, well, that's actually more of identification case, a valence case. But the dispersal case was like I can't deal with it at all. Like I just can't, I can't deal with this. I'm out of here, you know, and so you get a dispersal or you get a collapse of identities where the person cannot think for themselves, but they only think it with a thought. And this is why in Dianetics 55, uh, there's a whole chapter about pan-determinism, how you can be self-determined, but the most sane is to be pan-determined, which means you can play both sides of the chessboard.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, yes, all right. How are we going for time?
SPEAKER_00:But so so ideally, we got we got about four minutes left, but ideally, when we talk about this, we're talking about it from the perspective of making sure that your quality of communication is in, making sure that that's something that, and this is for anything in the universe. I'm not just talking about relationships, right? I'm talking about if you want a new car, I'm talking about if you want a new life, a new if you want some money, do you communicate with your money?
SPEAKER_02:Do you well and it's funny you say that because after doing the pro TRs course, in my mind, it's more communication, more communication. So I've got if I've got something I need to do, instead of the thing that goes through my mind is okay, communicate with it more, communicate with it more. And I'm talking about goals, I'm not talking about communicating with people, I'm talking about communicating with my body to communicate with whatever objective I'm facing at that time or goal I'm I'm pursuing at that time. I need to communicate more with that goal, even if that goal is just an idea, it will have some kind of doing around it, and that doing is also communication. Right. Um, it's really interesting. Um, the communication is is very deep, you know. Even for us to do this podcast, sure we're talking, but how much communication is actually going on? You know, we both had to communicate our environment to be in the space we're in to make this happen.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I was talking one part. That's right. I was talking with a student um who is on College of Independent Scientology, and she was having an issue with actually getting sitting down and like getting on course, right? And so any of you who are listening to this and you've been trying to get on course, you've been trying to, you know, uh uh log back in and get into your your your course on the college, uh she was having a hard time with this. And I said, Why don't you try like a reach withdrawal? Why don't you try a reach withdrawal? Which means you reach for the keyboard, you let go of the keyboard, you reach for the monitor, you let go of the monitor. You reach for the mouse, you let go of the mouse, your chair, whatever, right? Reach and withdraw. So she sent me a message uh at 3.28 this morning, and she said, literally, this is like a uh a win. She said, So I've got good news. After talking to you on the phone that day, I just decided that I'm gonna spend 20 minutes on course every day in order to build a consistent habit and stay in calm, in calm with the subject. Um, no matter how hard or busy my day gets. That's all, and that has helped me so much. Um, we had our call on the 13th, I guess, and from that day on to today, I've been on a study streak, the longest one so far. Even though I'm going to a bit slow, but it feels wonderful to show up for myself every day. Wow, she says. I mean, some something this something is way better than nothing, right? And she goes on to just talk about her some of her wins that she's been on course. My point in saying that is that just teaching her about the reach, reach withdrawal, communicate. It's just it's a communication. Reach the keyboard, let go of the keyboard, reach your chair, let go of your chair, reach your body, let go of your body, reach the monitor, let go of your body. And just by teaching her that, she was able to get some wins.
SPEAKER_02:You're using the word reach, but it's communicate with your Q keyboard, communicate with your chair, communicate with your body, communicate with a monitor, communicate, communicate, communicate, communicate.
SPEAKER_00:I love it. So it's incredible. This is we're talking about the quality of communication. Hopefully, these little bit tidbits helped you today, and I want you to go and put those into practice. Go on to aohyphengp.org and reach out to us, let us know if you need any help. And also go to college of independent scientology.com and register for the communication course or any course that strikes your fancy. We're here for you. All right, thanks so much, and peace, and we love you. Bye bye. Namaste.