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Scientology Outside of the Church Podcast
SE12EP5 - Independent Scientology and Taxes
Taxes promise shared benefit, yet so often they feel like a penalty on momentum. We open the hood on income tax through LRH’s lens, exploring how punishing upstats can shrink national vitality and individual morale. From stacked levies and inflation to the creeping possibility of programmable money, we trace taxation back to its roots in arbitrary power—kings with pointy sticks, colonial borders, and modern agencies that decide who pays to stay. The patterns repeat; the tech for control gets slicker.
Then we flip the script. If beings are the real capital, value begins with the ability to create, coordinate, and move particles—ideas, projects, exchange—through the physical universe. That’s where independent Scientology becomes practical: auditing and training increase focus, reduce wasted cycles of action, and multiply results. Faster particle flow equals power. With more awareness, you can navigate lawful deductions, invoice truthfully in the independent space, and align exchange around use value so you give more utility than you take in money. The result isn’t tax evasion—it’s intelligent causation.
We also unpack why real estate prices feel rigged, how institutional buyers set comps, and what “capitalism as taxation” looks like when pricing power skims human energy. Still, the point isn’t outrage; it’s sovereignty. Replace limiting, assumed rules with self-chosen arbitraries that expand your ability to create. Study definitions, test LRH’s claims against your life, and keep only what proves out. When understanding rises, you don’t need to wrestle the system head-on—you out-create its traps by producing more value with less friction.
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All right, and welcome to another Scientology Outside of the Church podcast. This is season twelve, episode five, and the topic is taxes. Everybody's favorite and least favorite topic all at once. And LRH LRH has a lot to say about taxes and taxation. Uh so we've got some great fodder for a podcast and to go over and discuss, given everything going on currently on planet Earth and in the United States, Britain, Australia, you name it. So taxes. Let's talk about taxes and look at it in the framework of independent Scientology and LRH's viewpoint on it.
SPEAKER_00:Well, yeah, and when you think about taxes, you kind of think about it as from a perspective of a third dynamic thing, right? Like the the group, like what it was like all for one and one for all kind of thing, whereas the group is funneling an a piece of their resources to the collective, and in this case, we'll call the government the collective to the collective in order to support all the needs of the collective. That's the way taxes are sold to us. That's the way taxes make sense to us. We comply to pay our taxes, obviously, because the idea is that my individual taxes, whether it be income tax or property tax or whatever, my individual taxes go to support the greater whole, the greater group, right? And that's what we are, that's the way we're sold taxes, and that's the way it supposedly makes sense, right?
SPEAKER_02:Uh-huh. Yeah. Well, I mean, it it it's it is uh penalizing an upstat. The more your production, the the more you get taxed.
SPEAKER_00:Well, you weren't supposed to go there yet. I was trying I was trying to make it sound good on paper. But you're right, you're right, you're absolutely right. It's like it's like the more the more you do well, the more it actually hurts.
SPEAKER_02:Right. So what happens when you penalize an upstat? You get a down status. You get down statistically, right? So yeah, that's that's the problem. That's why people hate taxes, is the harder I work, the less I have. So why would I want to really, really produce? And that's that's what you get in in a situation such as we have here on earth.
SPEAKER_00:Well, well, and it's not so much the harder I work, the less I have. I think it's more so the harder I work, the more is taken. I think it's like maybe the way of looking at it. The harder I the more I produce, the more is taken.
SPEAKER_02:Right. Yeah, the yeah, so you're you're in a situation where you you know you you get a great idea, you're successful with it, and then you look at your bottom line after taxes at the end of the year, and you go, wait, what? Mm-hmm. Because uh Yeah, and and it's not that you're just you're you're just taxed once. You're you have and and we can get into that, but but I don't want to get too far ahead of us here. What what what is Lrh's viewpoint on this?
SPEAKER_00:So uh it's interesting because the way he kind of looks at it is is that uh it says here in a lecture he gave on organization. This is uh August 1966, uh August 23rd, 1966. He says, now income tax is the total violation today of the government ruling the individual, and that is a direct violation of it. So income tax, willy-nilly, will make a country grow smaller. Isn't that interesting? Income tax, willy-nilly, will make a country grow smaller. Now, it hasn't set in in the United States as fast as it is set in in England, but England has had income tax active longer than the United States, and he goes on to talk about how the when when you set income tax, it actually discourages production. I think this is interesting that even LRH had this viewpoint, right? That and this is in 1966, this is before the the you know Bretton Woods. This is before coming off the gold standard, yeah, before the fiat currency model. This is when when when money meant something, you know what I mean? This is when money was backed by gold, now it's just a piece of paper printed off on on you know denim or something.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, 59 years ago he said this. It's almost hard to believe. 59 years.
SPEAKER_00:It's a direct violation, and so income tax will make a country grow smaller. And I think that we're seeing that now at play, where people are less able or less likely to produce, or becoming more of a you know, welfare state or whatever the case may be, where that becomes the way you handle things, right? The way you handle issues in our society is tax people to get money to throw at problems, tax people to get money to throw at problems. And I don't think that that's necessarily the way we want to handle things.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, and and we could speculate on you mentioned right before the podcast that there was a bill on the table to abolish the IRS. Now, one one would have to ask, well, in the United States at least, one would have to ask, well, why would they do that? Kuibo no, why would that even even be a consideration? And and you know, we could get into the fact that the IRS is not even part of the federal government, nor is the the the Fed, even though they get appointed by the government, which is really odd. So you think, okay, does this have something to do with uh the digital uh crypto dollar and everything to where they don't need to charge taxes anymore because they control your money once they have a digital dollar and a digital ID? I I would have to say that I think that that is entirely possible, which still is taxation. But currently we have you have your income tax, you have your property tax, you have your tax on sales, you have your tax on fuel, which is which is sales. But I mean, and it goes on and on and on, and then you have a situation where what is it that you're really making after all of these different taxes? It's actually far less than just what they tax your income, which multiplies the the penalty for being able to produce. Production is the basis of morale, which is why you have a a shrinking uh government, a shrinking economy, and then on top of that you have inflation, which is created by well, LR says of the finance series, money is an idea backed by confidence. And part of confidence, part of confidence in a fiat currency is the fact that you can do something with it, which is the dianetic principle survive. What's your thought on all this, Arthur?
SPEAKER_03:I don't know a huge amount about um Scientology, but from what I understand um as far as like trusts and things like that go, um I believe the church is very cleverly set up to not pay tax in a legal manner.
SPEAKER_00:Sure.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, and so because because everybody's a volunteer minister, right? So they're not on a wage. And so by being a volunteer minister, they're not actually earning an income because everything's contribution-based like a church is. But the funny thing about churches is um they can employ people as well. And so the money gets split up kind of like dividends, um, which is tax-free. And so I reckon that's why they had such an issue with the IRS and with why they were having such issues um just with tax in general and why people had such a big deal about it, because it wasn't the traditional church as such. It wasn't your traditional Christian church, you know, as an organization, and this is funny because it's all the words that really make the difference, you know, an organization versus a church. You know, you can almost say a church is an organization, but most people believe an organization to be a company or a business or some kind of financial some kind of money-making organization, whereas the church itself isn't because it offers courses, it offers services, it doesn't offer a trade, it doesn't offer an invoice for its services. It works of contributions, so it's pretty clever. Like really clever. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Well, I mean, back in '96 in the church, when they said they won won the quote unquote battle against the IRS, which we've covered in in several other podcasts, they were actually taken over by an arm of the IRS and are now run by a body of corporate attorneys that aren't Scientologists. So when you when you pay taxes, they said, you know, your your donations are deductible and whatnot. What it came down to is in reality, when you looked into it, only a portion of your donations are deductible.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_02:Which does, I mean, it's contrary facts. They said one thing and it was actually another. So you're still getting taxed on your donations. So the IRS is still getting their cut at only a s a fraction of what you pay for your donations is actually non-taxable. Yeah. It doesn't make much sense at all.
SPEAKER_03:Well, it kind of does because like imagine if you only paid just a flat rate. Like I don't know about other countries, but here in Australia, the more you earn, the bigger percentage of tax you pay, up to a capped amount. Um, so here in Australia, the highest is 47% of your income, which is almost half. Um, and I think that's capped. I'm not a hundred percent, but I think it's around the$130,000,$180,000 mark. So at that point, from then on, everything is is taxed at 47%, which is insane. Yeah, that's like half your money.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:It's it's it's 40% in the US at the highest tier, but that's without deductions and and all of that. And uh, you know, whether you're not sure.
SPEAKER_03:Well, that's your taxable income. So even if you reduce your deductions and you're still left over with, say,$200,000 um in your pocket after deductions, you're still paying that amount. That's just crazy. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Well yeah, and and go ahead, Quentin.
SPEAKER_00:Go ahead and finish your flow.
SPEAKER_02:Well, what what I was gonna say is is that the nice thing about independent Scientology is when we give you an invoice in the United States, you could you can literally say that it's business consulting, because that's what it is, because we're not we're not part of the corporate church of Scientology, which falls under that particular tier, and there's certain regulations on it and everything, so you get a much better deduction.
SPEAKER_00:That's good. Yeah. Well and Illroate says here in another lecture, uh, it is on let's see, this is April 29th, 1954. It's called Universes and the War Between Theta and Mest. Okay. And he says here, um let's see. Oh, I just had it. Oh, here he goes. He says, By the way, I don't want to knock income tax. Income tax is merely a penalty for having for having. And a government has the right to penalize people and has the right to kill people, has the right to break the country. It owns the country, after all, and the people have nothing to do with it. And so don't get mixed up politically here. The world today is gauged so that you can't have a thing. And that what it isn't that what the whole thing is, you'll own nothing and be happy, kind of thing, right? All right. The world today is gauge so that you can't have a thing. If you do have anything, you get your teeth kicked in. Anyway, I'm totally impartial politically. And what I like about this particular lecture, uh, the the one I just I'm reading from now, he talks about how what happens to the being, what happens to the being when loss is taken, or when there's a loss taken, when there's a a hit taken, and it could be even to your having this. And he says he paints everything black and so forth. That's a sudden occlusion with regard to loss. And so it doesn't matter if it's loss of a child or loss of a family member or loss of a body part, loss of money. That that there's a there's a painting of black that happens, and as he goes on to this, um, through this lecture, he just talks about how this loss actually happens over and over and over, year after year after year after year, with tax, tax, tax, tax, and what it actually does to the being. I think it's so interesting that he he spotted this, right? And he said his spirit, I'm I'm just reading down. He said his spirit when he does this is of sort of self-punishment. He actually starts to mess himself up because of the way he's been handled. I think it's so interesting. So taxes are a very interesting game.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, and it's it's interesting because we're looking at the word tax, okay? And and so tax is in order for you to exist, you must pay me because this is my area of geographic location. If we go back to uh and you know, of course, in Arthur's case, Australia used to be a commonwealth of the crown from the United Kingdom. It was it was originally owned by the United Kingdom and now is its separate its own separate entity, as is India, because these were all places that they came in and uh colonized and and arbitrarily said you are now ours. And so, and so they said, since you are now ours, an arbitrary, and let's define an arbitrary for our listeners. What is an arbitrary, Arthur? You want to look that one up?
SPEAKER_00:I got it right here, actually. One second.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, okay. I got two, yeah. Yeah. Artry is usually our dictionary, dude.
SPEAKER_00:Arbitrary is based on the heads of surprise kittens.
SPEAKER_03:And um I'm just tending to them at the moment.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, I love that. Arbitrary is based on random choice or personal whim rather than any reason or system.
SPEAKER_02:Right. So it's an arbitrary to say, and I I've I've heard this before from people who have met.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, wait, hold on a second. Let me say this. Number two, definition number two of arbitrary of the ruling of or of power or a ruling body. It's unrestrained and autocratic in the use of authority. The country, uh, the country is under arbitrary government. It's uh it's it's it's the power or the ruling body has unrestrained or autocratic in use of authority. It's unrestrained and autocratic in use of authority. It's uh it's arbitrary. That's actually what it means. It means arbitrary, which means to judge supreme ruler, uh, it and comes from the derivation it says here uh depending on one's will or pleasure. Arbitrary or whim. Or whim, yeah. As a judge or supreme ruler of something. So it's like it's like, oh, I just want, I just want this money. I just want you, I'll just tax you today uh extra 50%. You know, what uh right okay, um, and because I live here, I therefore must comply.
SPEAKER_02:Right. Now this this leads all the way back to back in the old days where we had had you know we had monarchies and kings and everything. You had the arbitrary of this wealthy dude, and I'm I'm I'm stating this simply this wealthy dude comes along and he has some guys with some really pointy sticks and pointy metal things. And and he has a has a blacksmith on his side. And the blacksmith is told, I want you to make these pointy things made out of metal with heat, and I want you to put them on the end of sticks, and I want you to put them on the end of shorter sticks and make them swords and pikes. And then you had your your your other types of weapons that they would they had quote unquote power over in order to subjugate the people that lived in the area, and then he went out and said, Okay, this is my area, arbitrary, because I have pointy sticks and fire. Now, are you going to do what I tell you to do and give me something? I'll tell you what, I'll I'll go ahead and then I'll have the blacksmith make up some coins. Now, this goes even further back if you look at LRH's finance series. The blacksmiths, once upon a time, are what banks were originally. You gave them your gold, your silver to hold, and they gave you a promissory note that said, I've got so much gold or silver sitting with the blacksmith down the way because he can change its form. And you can go down and you can get a promissory note off my promissory note, and instead of getting a promissory note, we'll make it something that that that's harder and lasts longer than a piece of paper. And now we have coins. And then the king said, Aha, okay, now we're really talking. Now give me some of those coins because I've got so much of this, and now you've got these guys with pointy things pointing them at you, saying, I want some of that stuff that I've given you because I'm going to protect you from these guys on the outside. And in some cases, problem reaction solution, even then, these raiders would come in and beat these people up and say, This is our area. And the king would sit there and and say, Yes, yes, now they need somebody to protect them. And he would come out and say, 'I'll protect you from these evildoers,' but first you need to give me some money. Pay your taxes, pay your taxes in order to do that. Now, more modern day, and you look at India, you look at Australia, and all this stuff, all of these arbitrary governments are saying, we're going to protect you if you give us X amount of your productive endeavors in the form of coins that is backed by confidence that's supposed to be held by quote unquote the king, the president, the uh queen, wherever you're at, or government at large. So the arbitrary is they say that they own this land. When the British came over to the United States, they were trying to escape taxation from King George. And so they said, We're not going to pay your taxes. For example, in the Boston Tea Party, the tea, the tea was being taxed at so high a rate, they poured the tea into the into Boston Harbor and said, This is outrageous. We're not going to pay that much money on the tea. And so they said, We're going to take our pointy things and we're going to go after your guys with pointy things and muskets with even faster pointier things, and we're going to rebel. And they did. And the case said, Okay, okay, we're getting our asses handed to us. You guys go do your own thing. Sort of. Sort of. And so now you have an arbitrary where a bun, and and this is this is where arbitraries come in on taxes and governments. Is you already had an indigenous group of people wherever a want want-to-be ruling government comes into, whether it's India, uh, Arthur can tell you all kinds of stories about what how the Australian government treats the aborigines in Australia, yeah, and how the British treated treated the the uh Indian populace uh in order to get, well, spices and all of that stuff. So you have all of this colonialism happening where they're coming in arbitrarily saying, This is ours and we want more. And modern day, what you have is whoever had the pointiest sticks and knew how to use them, put this arbitrary out there and said, Okay, these are our borders, you need to pay us so that we protect you from the outside world. So it's arbitrary on top of arbitrary, on top of arbitrary, on top of arbitrary. And anybody who doesn't abide by it, like uh the indigenous uh native peoples of what is now the United States, disagreed. And they said, Well, we were here first. And the people with the pointing stick said, We don't care. You're part of us, and if you don't want to be a part of us, you got to go. And and this this is this is not a good idea.
SPEAKER_00:Or you're or you're forced to go.
SPEAKER_02:Or you're you're forced to go, or you're forced into extinction through genocide, yeah. Which is what is happening now in Palestine. So so in some cases, they don't want you around at all because they've already gotten what they want. They're so they've surrounded you, and now you're just a momentary inconvenience for their needs and wants. And we could get into the whole Palestine thing and all of that, but what it comes down to is uh religion, arbitraries, pointy things, and a need for more resources to continue to feed the expansion of what we currently see here on planet Earth. And what we're running into is we're expanding faster uh at a rate we're over 8 billion people now, soon to be nine. There's 400,000 people born a day, and about 200,000 people dying a day, so it kind of keeps it in check, but we're growing at a mad rate, and technology is increasing so rapidly that they have to lock things down as quickly as they can in order to prevent the 1% being overtaken by the 99% via taxation, and so the the technology increases with AI and uh internet and computers and everything to the point where now the tipping point is rapidly approaching around 2030, unless we get this understood about what we're dealing with here as far as taxation and arbitraries and pointy things and things that go boom. It's just an arbitrary, there's a lot more of us than there are them.
SPEAKER_00:Well, and I think I think it's really important also that as independent Scientologists, we also understand that you create your own reality, right? Right, and and we did uh a podcast a while back talking about um I did a teaching a while back called the privileged people, and I talked about how the word privilege, privilege, it comes from the word privy legacy, private law, privy legacy, private law. And so if you're one of the privileged people, you had your own private law, you were operated with your own private law, and what ends up happening is that if you are so inclined to have your own private law or be privileged to have your own private way of operating, you can do things a bit differently. This is why being independent Scientologist is such an amazing uh uh benefit to livingness because you get to live differently, you get to do things differently, you get to see things differently, and as you go up the bridge and as you raise your uh awareness characteristics, I was just talking to somebody today about this, as you raise your awareness characteristics, you you become aware of things from a different perspective, you know how to move and navigate things from a different way, and you don't become the adverse effect. Um I hope you guys are getting this. You don't become the adverse effect of what's going on in life around you, everywhere, right? And does and it doesn't mean that you're disconnected and doesn't mean you are, you know, you're an ostrich with your head in the sand. What it means is that as this stuff is going on, you you become more causative in these moments versus the effect of these moments. That could even apply to your finances, they could even apply to you when it comes to taxes and stuff like that. You now know how to govern yourself appropriately as per the country you're in, or as per the tax code you're a part of, or however you're gonna move, right? And you now know how to move in and through these things where you are not the effect, the adverse effect of you can benefit if you so choose. I'm just saying, listen, we're not accountants, we're not tax professionals, don't take your advice from people, just random people on the internet, but do your research and really know what you're doing. Scientology is knowing how to know.
SPEAKER_02:That's right. And we know how to know some stuff, right? And that's that's why why we do these podcasts is that we're trying to make people aware of things because what what LRH was trying to say and why he was such a novel individual is is he had such a high confront for everything that was going on around us instead of just accepting what the normal is. You know, you hear that expression, uh, it's something like uh, what is it? You know, two things you can be certain of death and taxes. You know, and and and it's it's just okay, now I'm supposed to. This is what everybody does. Now, I'm not saying that people that anybody should evade taxes or anything like that, but you need to understand what it is that you're dealing with, and that's what Scientology, independent Scientology, helps you do is it gets you to understand that arbitraries exist everywhere, and why these arbitraries exist. exist and how it is limiting you when we take you in session what are we uh and and and this is a side rail but it's not when we take you in session what are we doing we're handling arbitraries yep please understand arbitrary right this is ridiculously important we're handling arbitraries that you have assumed to be true right that you're not aware of you've forgotten you made a decision about it and said I accept I'm gonna give the definition again arbitrary based on random choice or personal whim rather than reason or systems so these arbitraries that please understand what he's saying when you in session you're spotting arbitraries around you about you concerning you that you've decided were true that you it says personal whim you've made oh with relationships I got an arbitrary on relationships oh uh uh finances I got an arbitrary on finances not based on any reason not based on any system of do doing or being or having it's based on random choice and personal whim about how I feel about this thing isn't that crazy and and and that's how we live we go through life with these arbitraries governing us and I'm not just talking about government but that's one of them but we have our own personal arbitraries that are governing us and these arbitraries get this they become taxing taxing right heavy violent right destructive right and and and to to get back uh just for a moment to get back to taxation okay the the the idea the concept of taxation is endemic and we probably should look up the word endemic for people so that they understand that it being endemic is an arbitrary consideration endemic what does endemic mean of a disease regularly occurring within an area or a community regularly occurring if it keeps on showing up if it keeps listen property tax you bought the house you own a house they say but if you don't pay that property tax boy do you know something different right you don't own it anymore a disease regularly occurring within an area or a community that's endemic so so when I say that that that is endemic okay let's let's peel the onion one step further what is capitalism what does capitalism consist of capital you buy go ahead let's try go ahead yeah you can go ahead yeah it's it's just it's an economic or political system that uh the country trades um profit for value I guess yeah right right so if we look at capitalism that way I I buy uh I I produce or I buy something and then I sell it at a higher price that's taxation that's taxation I I I speculate and I buy a piece of land and it arbitrarily goes up in value like many places on the planet right now South Africa the United States real estate it arbitrarily goes up in value and and this is what's happening with uh black rock in the United States is that they're buying they're buying houses in neighborhoods and this is important please get this okay this is it it is endemic to what is happening across the globe when it comes to real estate another thing is the the the investment company BlackRock is buying houses okay they they buy them and then they increase the value of the house by buying other houses in the neighborhood and then selling them for more arbitrarily thus raising the comparative price of houses in the neighborhood and pricing them out of the buyability range for people to buy and then they are renting them out at their arbitrary rate it's nobody can afford the houses you will own nothing and be happy okay that is a form of capitalism yeah that is a form of capitalism and by the way it says capitalism is an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit that is the definition of capitalism controlled by private owners for profit right so it whether you say capitalism or you say taxation they're one and the same it is an arbitrary to consider them anything other than that because now our listeners are going to say well how do I make money how do I make money if I can't charge more for something than what I got it for now let's roll this back you're a thetan in a body body okay think about that and then plug that into the concept of capital uh capitalism and taxation you're a than who produces energy and moves things around in the physical universe with that meat puppet your body okay do you do do our listeners do they get this listen you you you you're speaking the gospel right now because you are a spiritual being you are a thetan that produces energy you produce confidence you produce value you we we did a whole podcast about this about uh your potential value the potential value of an individual you produce value and I want you to understand this that the the valuable resource of this land is not gold and silver it's it's right it's applied to gold and silver it's it's the apparence is that it's in gold and silver but the value of this land the value of the the the United States or whatever is the people it's it's that's the that's the real capital is human capital I'm telling you what I know not what I read out of a book and so exactly and so if you understand this that you the value is in you the value is in you and you as a spiritual being you as a Thetan have the ability to produce energy to manufacture it and then they take that manufactured power and they say now go get on the assembly line now go to the go to the manuf the the the factory now go and work at such and such at Starbucks don't do whatever you got to do and then make the money to then put back into the system so that we can keep this whole machine running but you the one ridding on the tray wheel right so it's backwards right it's backwards because the arbitrary is is that you've bought into these arbitraries why are you arbitrarily buying into further arbitraries that make you a gerbil or hamster in a wheel to where you're the energy production unit not some some arbitrary value of something over time where somebody else says I own this thing and it has more value now because I arbitrarily say that it has more value and to the degree that they tax get this to the degree that they tax you now it has even more value I mean it's you just wait what so look at this as an energy production unit how can you how can you tax something that wasn't there unless you yourself put that energy move because this whole physical universe every everything in it as a thetan energy is produced by moving one thing from one state to another everything pushes everything else that's all you do as a thetan in a body in the physical universe I'm breaking it down to its simplest most understandable structure if you look at an engine yeah if you look at an engine how does an a a combustion engine produce power it changes the fuel into into power right right you could you back it up and go okay well who produced the fuel uh well it was it was done at a plant that converted oil into gasoline okay who did that uh a thetan okay who produced that that refinery to do that who did that a thetan okay well where did the oil come from well it we found it in the ground and realized that we could do something with it so we pulled it out of the ground and put it in barrels and then set it to a refinery who pushed that a theton well listen and who and who created the physical universe thetans right because we all agreed we're gonna live in this this wonderful hologram that is is is thin and LRH even mentions this in the knots material non-confidential information here it's part of the axioms that as you go up the bridge you start to realize that the physical universe is really more two dimensional and flimsy okay it's like a movie set it's not really there we have this arbitrary right the Truman show we're living on a movie stage of our own agreement and arbitrary okay and from there the hilarity ensues and then living on that movie stage we decide these are the rules this is what I'm going to create energy push something with a meat puppet around and make one thing push another now back to the engine analogy once we have that oil what is the oil the oil that's now fuel that's been pushed to be in there now think about it how many things get pushed from oil in the ground to get into the engine in your car which was also pushed to be in a certain form at a car factory you put that fuel in the car what does the fuel do it pushes a piston as the fuel ignites in the engine pushing a drivetrain that pushes the wheels that pushes the car down the road think about this and look at how this whole line is push push push push push so if that's the case why aren't we pushing things in other directions right that aid a person survival that that make life easier to live that nobody needs to be homeless that values don't have to be arbitrary nobody needs to go hungry because what's happening is we're being pushed to give more and take less while more get more and we get less because we arbitrarily agreed to it and that is capitalism and taxation.
SPEAKER_00:Right and then and let me also say this because I've said in multiple podcasts in the past about how I I know money right I know money and I've I've made it a bit of a a game and a study to understand how money moves how money works how to manufacture it how to produce it not manufacturers and how you know how to how to make money how to earn money in a in a in a way that makes sense right and in understanding this I um there was there was this uh book called the science of getting rich by uh Charles Honnell and he says always give in use value more than you ask in money value or in dollar value right so you always give in use value more than you take or ask in money value so when we talk about going up the bridge when we talk about getting on course this is why when you go to the corporate side of things corporate church or whatever and it's astronomical it's an astronomical rate to do what they suggesting right and then you come here to independent Scientology and it's like wow that's haveable I can actually have that amount I can I can I can work with that I can do that because because giving to you in use value more than what we ask in money value physical value material value the reason why that's important is because there is so much is it's uh abundance exchange in abundance that's it is exchange in abundance you're gonna be able to use this tech you're gonna be able to use this tech so much more than what is asked in material value you're gonna be able to use your beingness and expand your beingness so much more you see and so this is why it works this is why independent Scientology is working this is why we are on these podcasts three four times a week this is why we're having these conversations all time all day every day we're having these conversations with people around the world because it's so valuable in use value what you can use this to do to accomplish to be you see this is why this works and so please understand that when we're talking about taxation we're talking about what is what is demanded of you and what is weighing on you and what is this arbitrary that's forced compulsorily it says that that's the definition a compulsory it's compulsory that's upon you and now you have an opportunity to use these resources that you've accumulated to now become bigger better stronger more able and that's what you want to use this for right now it's an important it's an important point that we need to look at this as a ratio okay a ratio is a compared a comparative analysis like let's say two to one with a colon in between or four to one or 25 to one or hundred to one okay now what you're dealing with here is when you're getting auditing you're and and this is the distinction that needs to be made we just had a uh a uh conversation with with a with the public about this this morning is that the ratio with what you're getting in auditing is a hundred to one that you would get out of something in the physical universe and you go well wow that's that's a tr that's a tremendous profit yes it is because what's happening is is you're increasing your ability to focus your ability into pushing things around in the physical universe to get more work done in a shorter period of time because now you're more aware you have the faculty the facility to create more exchange in a shorter period of time because it's always that time thing and a time yes per the Scientology and dianetic axioms that's an arbitrary two that you've agreed to you go I can't ever I could never do that in six months.
SPEAKER_02:Well what if you could do it in six hours that is because the ratio is a hundred to one you don't wait on the physical universe to give you what it is that you need to do when you can change it through your ability to push things much faster at exponential rates than you would have been able to heretofore before you received auditing andor got training to understand such things as arbitraries, exchange time production what is a valuable final product LRH looks at everything from the viewpoint of what's the product what's the exchange that's going on here. The exchange in auditing is by far the absolute best exchange you can get to enable you to then transfer that exchange into moving things around at a faster particle flow because rate of particle flow determines wait for it power LRH yes you gotta get this the fat the faster you can move particles in this messed universe the more powerful you are now you determine what those particles are you can it could be a bullet it could be photons it could be uh whatever it could be it could be cash it can listen it's a particle if you the faster the faster you can move particles around the more powerful you have powerful you are right and and we're tying all this together because what what we're talking about here is we're not talking about this is podcast isn't about how to make more money all right that's a side effect and we said this in multiple podcasts before that is a side effect because to the degree that you are enabled as a thetan and you have more ARC and more affinity reality communication which equals understanding and you have more KRC which you have to have ARC for knowledge responsibility and control equals power to the degree that you have a better understanding of it a better under a better awareness of that understanding and now you can use it to make things happen quicker and get this it's not about action it's about understanding ARC because you can sit there and say well if I earn$15 an hour at minimum wage which it's not and that's an arbitrary minimum wage is an arbitrary and it's a false arbitrary keeps you as a gerbil and a hamster at the wheel okay you have to look at things and go this is work smarter not harder as a Thetan because if you understand that it when you do something how many cycles of action is it going to take me to do this thing everything everything comes down to that baseline how long am I going to have to work at$15 an hour in order to achieve X yeah okay that's not gonna do it I need like LRH says get a bright idea the brightest of all brightest ideas hands down and you you can't see this until you do it is to get in session get on course and get a better understanding to where you can open yourself up and now you have brighter ideas that allow you to do more per cycle of action per second not just in the physical universe but in the theta universe because at the top of the tone scale serenity of beingness is just knowing maybe you don't see the whole path that way but when you know you know you know and that's the definition of Scientology knowing how to know and that's what we do at AOGP at the College of Independent Scientology and in this podcast is we're raising your awareness to a point to where you can do less cycles of action that get faster products valuable final products that end up pushing things in a direction both of the physical universe and advancement of your awareness and ability to postulate in the theta universe and the physical universe is just a mere side effect but the whole idea is is to be at total cause total knowing yes and you don't have to worry about taxation anymore and other people's arbitraries don't buy into it unless you want to play that game play a different game and and I'll say it this way and and and as a in an easy to remember format just get happy get happy get free get going and do it by any means necessary.
SPEAKER_00:Trust me I know what I'm talking about. We know what we're talking about there's things that are afoot there's things that are transpiring there's things that are happening where you need to go ahead and be where you need to be and you know where you need to be because you ain't where you want to be okay and so get happy by any means necessary and this is the way that we're offering you to start that journey so I'm super excited about this absolutely agree to disagree learn the rules understand the arbitraries disagree with those arbitraries and you can set up your own arbitraries because to the degree to the degree that you have your own arbitraries and you power is the ability to hold a position in space I mean you know it's still an arbitrary only because you conceive it but it's a lot better arbitrary than somebody else's arbitraries that says it's self-determined.
SPEAKER_02:Right it's four for me and one for you that's the tax man and that's how we wrap this whole thing up is is change your consideration considerations are are are separate from the physical universe so here's the data make it your own there you go so we hope you've gotten a lot out of this podcast Arthur didn't get a get a chance to say March was is there anything you want to add Arthur no I think um also like alongside getting yourself up to scratch but also start looking into some of this stuff too so you have a better understanding of what tax is and um actual ways that you can that you can go about making the best of what you've got. Yeah. Yeah I mean do do your own due diligence and and when you when you enlighten yourself through looking words up and understanding concepts that you know what we're talking about in this podcast today it's huge and to the degree that you understand something is to the degree that you can't be the adverse effect of it. That's LRH and just because he said it doesn't make it true. If if you see this for yourself and you go damn this guy was right on the mark okay you have agreement that's a new arbitrary because that's a fact you've proven it out if you roll a ball and you roll it downhill well there's gravity. Okay does that mean gravity exists everywhere nope just in this situation okay I can see how that could be but even the laws of physics are arbitrary and we're not being told everything because if we were told everything we wouldn't be on this planet the way that it is it wouldn't be the way that it is so do your own due diligence prove it out see that two and two equals four and if you have any questions I guarantee you the information that we have and have made available for free because that's the fair exchange he said the work is free keep it so we've got it we'll train you on it and and and what we get our tax and I'm saying this jokingly but it's true our tax is we're helping you with this information and we're making sure that you've got it and that you can apply it and that you do use it and you have wins with it and that goes on course on training and that also goes to we're we're taxing you to get you up the bridge and free so that you can be who you really are and have the abilities that you really have. You just changed your mind and said I can't anymore that's that's our fee for that but boy it's a heck of a lot cheaper a fraction of what it is from anybody else and we do it right. So come see us at aohyg dot org College of independent Scientology dot com listen to these podcasts over and over when you go to the gym when you you're out for a walk or you're just sitting at home and really apply this information and see if it's true for yourself. And if it is I beseech you Quentin does Arthur does we know that this stuff works and you have a brief breath in eternity to avail yourself of this information make it so find out for yourself and get up the bridge and you will be happy as Quentin says so for Arthur so for Arthur Quentin and myself namaste and we love you bye bye peace bye bye