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Scientology Outside of the Church Podcast
SE12EP10 - Independent Scientology - Retrograde, is Mercury the Cause?
Ever notice how tech fails, texts misfire, and travel plans wobble all at once? We follow that thread into Mercury retrograde, solar flares, and the harder question beneath them: do cosmic cycles run your life, or does orientation decide what sticks? We unpack how subtle physical forces, group agreement, and personal anchor points combine to create experience. The goal isn’t to argue superstition versus science; it’s to find leverage where you actually live.
We break down Mercury retrograde in plain language, why so many people associate it with communication and technology breakdowns, and how expectation can amplify small signals into big events. Then we zoom out: what happens when a stable datum like “energy cannot be created” meets spiritual tech that turns on somatics like a sunburn in session? If consideration can outrank matter, you gain options. You can track cycles without surrendering agency, tighten comm lines during volatile windows, and hold your position in space when others spiral. We explore agree-upon reality, the spread of myths (from “poisonous” tomatoes to today’s trending warnings), and the vital skill of setting anchors that boost certainty.
Expect practical takeaways: how to reorient when your anchors slip, why ridicule feels so destabilizing (it grabs your anchor point and holds it away), and ways to use cycles as reference, not rulers. Whether you embrace astrology or dismiss it, you’ll get a toolkit for steadier communication, cleaner planning, and calmer choices under pressure. If you’re ready to replace reactive blame with operational clarity, this conversation hands you the map and the compass.
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Hi, and welcome to another Scientology Outside of the Church podcast brought to you by AOH-GP.org and College of Independent Scientology.com. This is season 12, episode 10 already. We may be at 200 episodes. I'll have to go look, but um we're getting there. And I'm here with uh Arthur Medakis and Quentin Stroud, uh, my trusty uh patriots, the holy triumvirate, and we are going to discuss a very different topic today than uh we have. We have it in our description that we talk about different things, and this is going to be one of those different things. So um Arthur posed this as a podcast topic, and I'm gonna turn it over to Arthur and we'll go from there, and it always leads somewhere very interesting. So, Arthur, take it away.
SPEAKER_02:All right, so at the moment, every I'm sure everybody's feeling something, and so there's a lot of stuff going on. So we've got Mercury Recrograde retrograde, we've got the sun spitting out solar flares, the winds all over the place, people are all over the shop. So, is there tech around this stuff? Um, as in, is it woo-woo woo-woo? Is there some legitimacy to it? What is going on here? Um, and I'm pretty sure between the three of us, we'll all have very strong opinions about it. And so let's do this. Who wants to give their first thought?
SPEAKER_03:Well, Quentin, I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna point my finger at you and we'll we'll we'll start there and you can um throw your hat into the ring on the whole thing, and then I'll I'll follow up after.
SPEAKER_01:And then I'll tag one of you guys. Okay, well, first of all, I I will say that you know, when it comes to technology, when it comes to communication, when it comes to things going haywire, what we know is that everything is consciousness, everything is consideration, and so a lot of this stuff that's happening is collective group think, collective uh uh mental mass that is happening in our uh uh three-dimensional reality. And this stuff is happening to us when when you have your uh cell phone drop. In fact, in fact, right before we started this podcast, uh, we have it all kind of walking trying to get everybody in at the same time in the same location, and I went somewhere else and come to another dimension, and so all I'll say is that you know, this stuff that's happening right now, I I believe it is a collective uh groupthink kind of thing, and it is our attempt as thatans to conquer the messed universe, the physical universe, right? We are on this conquest for of the physical universe, and as this stuff is happening, is not happening necessarily to us, but through us, and so when we start to understand um and see this stuff kind of happening, and I think we can even go back uh millennia when people would get sick with the plague, or people would get up, they would blame it on all kinds of things, all kinds of demons and witches and and and fairies and toads and all kinds of stuff until we start to learn more and more and more about our uh our world around us and how that world around us impacts our bodies, impacts our health, impacts our uh sanity. That's what the word lunatic comes from, where the moon was full, they think people would go crazy. And so when you're talking about solar flares and stuff like that, I mean something's going on, something's happening. The winds of time are changing, and so yeah, there's definitely something going on.
SPEAKER_03:Well, that that that leads me to uh well, earlier podcasts that we've talked about about considerations, postulates. Um, we've talked about uh yours, mine, and the agreed upon reality. Um all of this stuff uh also ties into um what Lrh talks about uh specifically in keeping Scientology working, number one, and um group bank agreement. And I I guess what I'm I'm asking you is is that basically what you're saying?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I I I I do believe that's a part of it, and I and I believe that um we we kind of have a relate, a brotherhood with the universe in that we can experience two-way communication, right? Like I'm sitting here in my chair, I'm touching my chair, I'm touching my desk, I'm touching my phone, and and I'm communicating with these devices and these this uh messed, you know, material universe kind of things, but it's also in a sense communicating back to me something as well. It's solidity, supposedly, when we know it's really not solid, but okay, it's solidity, uh, is communicating its moisture, it's temperature, it's this, is that, or whatever. And I'm able to perceive of what it is to a degree, and it is able to be impacted by me as a Thetan, as a being, and so let's take that a bit bigger, let's take that outside of my office and let's take that into you know our solar system, right? And let's take that you know, with like like Arthur said with the solar flares and stuff. What is that communicating to us, solar flare? And as we perceive it through our telescopes and through our you know, whatever, whatever, as we perceive of it, what is it, what are we in uh perceiving of it? Well, it's an agreement, it's it's a it's a it's a relationship of sorts, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So the way I see it, uh go ahead. Yeah, so the way I see it is um as human beings, we're all trying to find an answer to something, right? So if we imagine that the moon has enough force to move water creating waves, right, and that's water, that's large bodies of water being pulled towards the moon, then you know, gigantic planets in our solar system also will also have an effect on us. So as far as astrology or astrologically goes, I do believe that there is certainly a definite influence from these magnetic pulls. And imagine there's planets all around us, there's these forces all around us that are constantly pulling in our bodies, but not enough that we can actualize it. You know, like say, for example, a strong wind, when you feel it and you feel its force, you can feel what it's actually doing to you. But these other forces are so subtle that they're constantly pushing and pulling on the body. And then you've got your actual environment, what's actually going on in the environment, the things you can feel, the things you can touch, the things you can, I suppose, obviously observe. Um, then you've got that going on. And then I think the nature of our minds as well, especially when we're feeling uncomfortable, right? So, like let's say, let's say there are forces pulling on us in all directions and it creates a discomfort. And then the postulates that are created and the ideas that are created around that um exacerbate that discomfort, going back to what you're both saying to some degree. So on one point, you've got these planetary um pushes and pulls, and then you've got the hive mind thinking on top of it, and all it takes is one person to be like, oh my god, it's Mercury pulling on me, making me feel a certain way, um, when really it's just a force that you're not understanding. And so therefore, it's an answer. So you'll take that answer on board, and then you'll tell your friends, and then they'll tell their friends, and then somebody puts it on TikTok, and then somebody's doing podcasts on it, and then it spreads faster than COVID.
SPEAKER_03:Well, and and that it's interesting that you say that, and feel free to chime in either one of you in what I'm about to say, because um we've talked about this, we've talked about this uh in many, many ways. And as we know, and and uh we've all said it to each other in in uh non-podcast communications and uh and on podcasts that everything is relative, and that um I was watching um a series for the second time on Apple TV the other night, and it's uh it has to do with physics and uh Schrdinger's cat and uh all uh uh these alternate universes and everything. And it's a it's a really, really good show. So good that I'm watching it again, which I've never really done with anything other than Breaking Bad. So uh what's it called? The point is is that in that uh I knew you were gonna ask me that. Come on. You can't do that, you can't put something like that out there. Yeah. Uh I will look right now and I will tell you about what it is. We it it's on Apple TV and it's dark matter.
SPEAKER_01:Dark Matter, oh yeah, I've heard of it.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, yeah, it's basically it's based off of a uh a uh novel, and the author who wrote it is also, which is incredibly rare, the showrunner and a director for the show. So his show is it's not like Game of Thrones, where you know the the author wrote the book, and then two other guys are doing the show, and and then they figure out you know how to end the show because the author hasn't ended the book series type of a thing, and everybody's disappointed in season eight. It's not like that, it's very much like the book. So in this show, in the second episode, the main character is a physics uh professor at a local college, and uh I was watching this, and they brought up the first law of thermodynamics. And the first law of thermodynamics is that energy cannot be created, all the energy in the universe exists, and I just had this cognition because I I just what and then I realized that that is completely contrary to what LRH says in the Axioms, right, Quentin? Oh, yeah, definitely. It can be made because right, because we are an energy production unit. Now, I'm sure our listeners are like, yeah, yeah, yeah, get on with it. What's your point? My point is that back to relative truths, what we know and what is really going on are two different things. Because if we have people being taught, just like Arthur, we have people being taught that energy cannot be created, it already all energy exists as it is now, which is very much a messed universe viewpoint, um, we have a problem because that's a law, a physics quote unquote law. And you know, laws are arbitraries, as we talked in an earlier podcast about. So you're dealing with what we know and what we don't know, what we've been told that we know, and we've agreed to it. Reality is relative, and in the context of this podcast, you have a situation where, okay, we're being told all of the things that Arthur just said about the moons pulling on on the the liquid on the surface of the planet, and this is what creates tides and all this stuff. This is what we were we were taught. This is what we were told. We were also taught to be good workers, pay our taxes, get a house, pay double or triple for it in in uh in payments on uh interest, and uh live, die, repeat type of a thing. So we don't know everything, and we live in a meat puppet with a very, very narrow band of awareness that we are tied to, and this is our our our sensor array that we go through in the physical universe, and how and why it was put here. Well, LRH helped figure out some of that stuff as far as the last however many tens or dozens of millions of years meat bodies have been running around on this planet in a large population, or when people came and visited here, what the origins of uh a meat body were, uh so on and so forth on and on and on. But to go there's nothing faster than the speed of light. Okay, this is what we're taught in physics. Au contraire, what's faster than the speed of light? Gravity. Think about that one. I'm just using that as an example, right?
SPEAKER_00:Right, right. Gravity is gravity, gravity can alter light. And that gravity can alter it.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, gravity can alter light. So there you go, right there. Nobody nobody says it except you know, maybe Stephen Hawking or something like that. And and you know, some physicists understand it and everything. But the thing is, is we live in the dark ages, and part of the reason why we live in the dark ages is the same reason we lived in the earlier dark ages, recently on the track, just a few hundred years ago, okay, because information was cut off. Well, this is dark ages too. You go, wait a minute, I'm you're you I'm talking to you on a phone over Zoom, and we have the internet, and okay, that's fine. But the thing is, is we don't know what we don't know. And in the confines of this podcast, what we're talking about is that there are other phenomena here at work, may or may not be true, but we are seeing results, and that's what we're talking about, whether it's group bank agreement or postulates or considerations, and there's X billions of people experiencing all of this and agreeing. I I I would love to ask uh AI how many people are in agreement on the planet on average with astrology, for example. Over to you guys.
SPEAKER_02:Well, let me ask her right now.
SPEAKER_01:Well, and it's funny because Lrh even talks about like this to a certain degree, where he uh he talks about how we we're kind of moving a little bit into parascientology, um, but he talks about how that that that you can even running a sunburn, like a sunburn on a person, right? You can run a sunburn and you can turn on a sunburn in session. Now, this is interesting. That you can you can turn on a sunburn, the like somatics of a sunburn, the actual sensations, the physical, the redness, the skin color, the da da da, you know, the heat of the skin, you can actually turn on a sunburn in session. And so the idea then here is that what are you as a being? Hear me, what are you as a being able to create? We just talked about the creation of energy, right? So you could be sitting in in your office on the cans, Jonathan is running you in session, right? And you can turn on, you as a thetan, can turn on sunburn in your physical body, just in your office, windows drawn, curtains drawn, you know, whatever. Isn't that interesting? That you have the ability to create the very thing that you've encountered or that you've experienced or that you recorded right in this experience in your physical body. So I don't necessarily think that you know it's it's true that they say you can energy cannot be created in that sense. I think that you can create things, and we do create things all the time, in fact, even drop cell phone calls. Right. Right, right.
SPEAKER_03:Well, yeah, you know, the the the the the point I was trying to make is is that we're being taught that that things are a certain way when what you just described and what I see every day in session is a Thetan creating recreating energy and agreeing to it. So if a if a Thetan can do that and auditing works, which all three of us and our listeners know, then okay, we have now a platform on which to stand, which would then, by the law of transitive properties, say that uh Mercury retrograde, which we need to describe, by the way, since this is one of the things that brought this whole thing up prior to the podcast, it and Arthur briefly touched on earlier, is that these things, whether true or not, are manifest. The the only question to ask is who or what is the the cause of it? Would you guys not agree?
SPEAKER_02:Because I mean, let's go back, back, back, back, back, and let's say, for example, you know, I had a bellyache from eating an egg, for example, and that particular egg was actually rotten. There was no two ways about it. And so in my village, in my tribe, I ate this egg and I reacted from it, I vomited from it. You know, there were physical signs, physical observations to show this, and then the rest of the village would have observed what's their perception towards eggs after seeing that. That's right, that's right, and that's just observing it, that's not going through the experience. So then you've got the person that actually went through the experience, their perception of the experience is going to be very different to the people that just observed it, but they're all going to be affected by it in some way. So just from one person, an entire village, all of a sudden has created a perception towards eggs.
SPEAKER_03:Well, and and that's that's an interesting point because at one point in time you go you've all heard the word geek geek. Back in the 80s, you just cut out the geek. Okay. Back in the back in the day, there was uh what was called a geek. And you used to hear in the 80s in popular culture, oh, he's a geek. Don't mess with him. Don't don't don't don't hang out with him. He's a geek. And a geek was somebody who ate tomatoes. Because tomatoes were considered to be poison, and a geek would eat tomatoes and not die. It was a thing. Is that true?
SPEAKER_01:Is that is that where it came from?
SPEAKER_03:It's true, it's true. That that's that's the etymology of the word, because uh tomato is a nightshade, and at the time night nightshades were considered to be poisonous. Okay, so that to to our Arthur's point is what everybody agrees on in the village. Oh my god, tomatoes are poisonous. Well, guess what? It's now it's now an unwritten law that tomatoes are poisonous, and the king would like to see you eat a tomato and not die, and then you can sit at the king's table at his bounty. Literally true story.
SPEAKER_01:Wow. And then and then and then if you get in trouble, they put you in the stocks and they throw rotten tomatoes at you.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, that's right. Right. You get that one person that comes out and says, no, no, no, no, no. Eggs are good, they're healthy for you, lucky mut.
SPEAKER_03:Right, right, right, right, right. And and and and so now there's there's there's there's corporal punishment for somebody that that eats eggs, just like tomatoes or or something like that. Because because if if you you were living on the king's land and and or under a duke or something like that, and and you put somebody at risk, you could be jailed because you're the king's property, and under five tom he owns you, and if you get people killed, well, now there isn't going to be as much food for everybody in the winter. So you could see how all of this could happen, bringing it forward to the to the 21st century, where okay, so if we need to keep control over people, and that's not what this podcast is about, but it it it needs to be understood that information can be known and kept from the masses because if you if they really knew the truth, well, as Jack Nicholson said in A Few Good Men, you can't handle the truth is decided for you. And Lrh was one of the pioneers on this, and he said, Hey, look, check this shit out. To be to be vulgar and and and blunt, that's what independent Scientology and Dynetics is about when he said, Okay, you are an energy production unit, so the person that's eating the egg, uh and Arthur's viewpoint is a little bit different than mine, it's not wrong, but I I was looking at it as he was he was explaining this as an analogy that eating an egg is uh you know, and the person gets sick, who ate the egg? Yeah, that's right. You get my point, and then you have all the resulting hilarity of misduplication, misunderstanding, yada yada yada, and now eggs are dangerous. Uh, there's no such thing as mercury retrograde. Over to you guys.
SPEAKER_02:And we've seen it, we've seen it in food a thousand times. Like, how many times has chocolate been bad for you, and then it's good for you, and then it's bad for you, and then it's good for you, and then it's bad for you, and then it's good for you. Like, right, right.
SPEAKER_03:Well, they even said that in the 80s don't eat too many eggs.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, you know, get some pork on your fork. We used to have a commercial here where they'd promote pork in such a fashion that um pork was the prime meat to eat.
SPEAKER_03:That's so crazy. Right, right, or milk, it does the body good. And then they well, you're you know, you really you really shouldn't drink that much milk, blah blah blah blah blah, and then 10, 15, 20 years later, now there's another PR campaign or another scientific paper or whatever. And and so consideration is senior, and I think we need to bring this out into the light again, is consideration is senior to the physical universe to mess.
SPEAKER_02:So which consideration the true consider the true force for for that person that considers it, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Well, again, axiom states three universes, yours, mine, and the agreed upon reality of the whole thing. So, in light of that, given what we're talking about, Mercury retrograde, Quentin. Would you like to explain it?
SPEAKER_01:Well, let me before before I go into Mercury retrograde itself, I'll I'll say this. Before I go into Mercury retrograde itself, I'll say this that you know Lrh talked about anchor points, right? And he talks about how in this universe, in even in our own perspective being here on planet Earth, right, as we're swirling around our solar system at at breakneck speeds, as it were, but because we're on this big ball uh floating out in space, moving around so so quickly, we don't necessarily feel it. We can observe it, we can observe the passage of time because of you know, time is just you know the measurement of moving particles. So we can observe the sun going from you know rising in the east and setting in the west or whatever, we can observe that, but when you have no anchor points, or when your anchor points are out, you get very confused. And so when I look at um whether it be Mercury retrograde or Venus in you know, such and such, and and all the things that I work with and I you know talk about and stuff like that, I'm looking at anchor points, as it were, in life, anchor points in your experience. And for those people that choose those anchor points, I want to be very clear on what I'm saying here. For those people that choose those anchor points, they can be orienting to those people, right? Um, and so when you understand and you know at your anchor points, you can move a little bit differently. He talks about how when you have a child and you move this child from place to place, from school to school, friends to friends, and location to location, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, the child will sink down into apathy after a while, right? Because even though that might be a very friendly child, when it comes to friends, when it comes to familiarity of anchor points, those anchor points can be sold out because the child gets yanked around from place to place to place, right? Well, we're we're dealing with that every day. Every day we get yanked around the sun. Every moment we're being hurled around, hurled around, hurled around. And so for those people that want to choose Mercury and my Mars is in Venus and my Venus is in Aries, and da da da, for those people who want to choose these anchor points as something to consider as a valid anchor point for them, it can be orienting and it can give them some perspective or some direction or some whatever you know they may need in order to help them move on this moving ball in this universe, right? And so I just wanted to put that out there that confidence, right? Confidence is one knowing his anchor points. This is Lrh. A fellow is as certain as he knows his anchor points, whatever that is for you.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, now that's a yeah, that's a good viewpoint.
SPEAKER_01:Mm-hmm. And and and so now, when we're in right now, we're in the middle of a Mercury retrograde. So anybody who's listened to this podcast today, which is Wednesday, November 26th, um, we're in the we're in a Mercury retrograde cycle. And Mercury, per this viewpoint, is a planet that affects technology, communication, and travel. And so technology, obviously being the most thing that we're talking about now, even as we were here with Jonathan, you know, his the technology was skipping out a little bit or whatever, whatever. Um Mercury affects technology, communication, and travel. And so what we want to make sure is for those of you who have observed this for yourself, whatever's true for you is true for you, right? For those of you who have observed this for yourself, when Mercury is in retrograde, which means it appears to be going backwards in from our purview, so it appears to be going backwards in the sky from our purview. We know it's still going the same direction, it's just the tilt of the planet and the way we're oriented in space. But when that happens, seems to be that technology and communication breaks down, breakdowns happen, and you get all kinds of arguments. Jonathan got mad at me the other day and came on, and I had to you know talk to him about some stuff, and I'm like, oh job, Mercury retrograde strikes again.
SPEAKER_03:I didn't that didn't that didn't even occur, it didn't even occur to me until you said that, but I and to to our to Arthur's uh ouch, I was not trying to imply, and I wanted to make it clear, I was not trying to imply that it was tea leaves and chicken bones. I was just merely saying that Quentin Quentin has a has has uh a much better uh understanding in how to convey it and get it across as to what it is being said is happening from a um standpoint of the this the planets in the solar system and and why why this is happening. And I have observed and not observed, just as Quentin pointed out, that uh especially this time around, I I don't I I really don't know what to say, but since you've you've made me aware of it. I see it. I see it. Which is interesting, isn't it? It is in the context of what we're talking about, which electronic what is it, Quentin? It's electronics.
SPEAKER_01:Technology, travel, and communication. So, you know, if if there's been any like I just said it earlier, one of my one of my clients got into an argument with her boyfriend. And she was like, I had to, I I it hurt me to say it, but I had to stand up for myself. And I said, What in the Mercury retrograde is going on?
SPEAKER_03:That's what I said. So that's that's the context, and and merch mercury is it's what it's going to because because it goes around the sun much quicker. So we have how many phases of mercury retrograde do we have? Three or four a year within the year. Right. So and it's getting to a point to where it's going to transit the sun and go behind the sun. Is that right?
SPEAKER_01:It's it's going it's good, right? It goes around the sun faster than we do. And so there when we when it's not affecting us as heavily, it's called Mercury, Mercury is being going direct. And when it's when Mercury is direct, 10 things tend to move faster, communications tend to happen easier. You have a good you know relationship with your 2D, and it was like, oh, everything is wonderful. And then come next three months, and just like a cycle, damn the solar system is on this cycle.
SPEAKER_02:Well, like just talking about this. Sorry, yeah, and just talking about this, right? It kind of um it kind of makes me think a lot more of the concept of as-is-ness um and reaching a state of OT. Because if if you can get to a point of complete as-is-ness, then you'll essentially feel these these forces and then you'll have a greater understanding of them, correct?
unknown:Right.
SPEAKER_03:You can't be the adverse effect of something you understand, in other words. Right. Correct.
SPEAKER_02:In a sense, yeah. But I mean, you'd you'd have to be extremely aware of your of your own being, um, to be able to comprehend that to its truest nature. Um and then it kind of gets me thinking, as well, just while we're having this discussion, moving up the bridge opens your body to an understanding that is unexplainable ultimately, because like there are so many things, like science is is trying to do what? Explain the unexplainable. Um, and so we have these things, and then we've got like a subject of state of say um astrology where we can observe the planets, but when it comes to the observation of the effects of the planets, is where it's a gray area as far as science goes. But then there are obvious phenomena that occur at certain periods, but then there's no real actual scientific, I can touch this, see this, but I can feel it. It's a different kind of observation. Um, and so if we felt those nuances and those real finite sensations of um our total environment, then that would be a complete as isness. Um, and that would probably probably be OT also.
SPEAKER_03:Right. Well, that's that's true. I mean, you know, we it you you you have to look at look at it from the viewpoint of okay, where are you looking at this from? Are you looking at it from a thetaan in a body or a thetain that occupies a body or a thetain that is exterior to the body and is is still having to deal with with all of the silly things that happen in the physical universe in this big clockwork from subatomic particles all the way up to uh a galactic scale of rotating around a supermassive black hole and and you know galaxies rotating around. They're not sure what it is, but they just know that there's there's something there and and the dark matter in between and all of that stuff. But the thing is, is that's still the physical universe, and we're we're not part of that.
SPEAKER_02:And what's interesting about what you just said then as well, it kind of goes back to what you said earlier, like these are things we've been told, and so do those things actually get in the way of having full perception of of of ourselves, right?
SPEAKER_01:Well, I well go ahead, Glenn.
SPEAKER_03:No, you go ahead, Fisher file, and Emma, because it's a point. I I just I just wanted to say that that from from a from a physics, physical universe standpoint, that when you have different sized objects in front one in front of the other, you know it from a linear perspective, if you had one big marble and then you had subsequently significantly smaller marbles and everything, there and there was and you were in a a non-gravity uh influenced environment, those particular marbles would all have their own particular uh gravity as mass through the laws of physics that we're being told about. And there are lots of other things that are going on that have been observed that physics physics and gravity and the law laws of gravity and energy do not apply, especially when it comes to uh UAPs, formerly called UFOs and things like that. So you have these marbles and they're different sizes and everything, they influence one another. The bigger one influences the others. And then if you look at our solar system and that all of all of the planets are on a particular plane, is it possible, and this is a hypothetical question, is it possible that this particular solar this particular system it's not a solar system? Our system is called the solar system, our star is sol, that's why it's called solar system. This system with its star and its planets uh is was picked or uh designed or both to have particular properties that would uh enslave a Thetan in a certain way. I don't know if this is the case, but it's something I'm gonna look up when I get off of the podcast. If all star systems uh and their planets are on the same plane, because if they're not, wouldn't that be interesting?
SPEAKER_02:Well, would we know any different?
SPEAKER_03:Well, exactly. That's my that's my point. But from what Quentin is saying in Mercury retrograde, this is this is something where one thing is pulling on another, and when it's it's it goes behind the sun, which is the largest object in the system, and and is the the the prime mover, the influence, if you will, gravitically for all of the other planets, or at least that's what we're told it it bears scrutiny.
SPEAKER_01:So so I want to read the definition of anchor points, okay? Um, so when when you talk when you as a Thetan, as a being, are here and doing you, whatever here is for you, right? Uh anchor points. It says anchor point is assigned or agreed upon points of boundary, which are conceived to be motionless by the individual, points which are anchored in a space different to the physical universe space around a body. Number three, those places which we call in advanced procedures and axioms the subbrains of the body, control centers, the epicenters. Number four, the points which mark an area of space are called anchor points, and these with the viewpoint alone are responsible for space. So Jonathan just talked about soul, the sun. That's a point which marks an area of space, our solar system, the Milky Way galaxy or whatever, right? Um it says a specialized kind of dimension point. Number six, any kind of a point, any kind of a particle, any kind of electron or anything which anybody believes is an anchor point. There is nothing more real than a real anchor point. Okay. And so you're here doing you, and if you have no anchor points in, you'll just be spread all over the place. So even your physical body, right? And you know, I you know, I've been, you know, I don't like to work out, so I've been gaining weight, right? So by because of me not moving my body, I start to move my anchor points.
SPEAKER_02:So you so you're shifting your view, you're you're exercising your viewing muscles, right?
SPEAKER_01:And so I start to perceive of myself as heavier. I went to the I went to the uh the the um what you call me the other day again on the scale, and I was like, when did I get 90 kilos? My I was 83 last I checked, you know. Well, well, what happened? I wasn't moving my body, and so I moved my anchor points instead.
SPEAKER_02:I think you there's an easy fix, just get a new set of scales, Quinton. It's the quit it's the scales that are wrong.
SPEAKER_01:It's the scales problem, right? But my my my point is is that that your anchor points are your own, and once you um understand this, you can be oriented to your own space, you create your own space. This is so important in in independent Scientology because when you understand where you are, when you understand, like you would this is what locationals are about, this is what coming up the present time is about. Like, all this stuff is so important to you being a functional, well-oriented, non-confused being. Like you gotta get this stuff right now. Obviously, we're talking about like you know, in this just little you know, chit-chat conversation that we're having between guys, we're talking about uh um astrology and Mercury behind the sun of you know, the right, you know, we talk about all this stuff, but it really is germane to who you are and where you are as a being trying to operate, even power, power is the ability, what is it? What is it? Is the ability to hold your position in space, right? It's the ability to hold your position in space. That get that is your point of power, and so when you understand this, and when you really understand your own anchor points, and when you understand how to how to um perceive of this, and and it says here, whatever you choose as an anchor point is your anchor point, right? So, you how how you choose your anchor points in your life, that's going to orient you. I said to art not too long ago, I said the higher your standards, the better your life. I say y'all, y'all heard me say this before the higher your standards, the better your life. And so, what are your anchor points? What are you selecting in your space, in your whatever, as your anchor point, so that you can start to move and have a real experience? It says there's nothing more real than a real anchor point.
SPEAKER_03:And and I would like to add something to that that you said uh a few a couple of minutes ago is we're not just in dietics, independent Scientology of Dianetics, we're not just talking about the physical universe. When Quentin says per per what what he was reading out of the definitions, belief and know are two different things and are both relative and mutually exclusive concepts because what you believe, I believe in God. Okay, you believe in God, and then you say, and they say, Well, yeah, I believe in God, and then you'll get some people and you say you believe in God, and they'll go, I know God exists. Okay, well, we have to to look at that in the concepts of independent Scientology. What's what's true for one person, what's true for three people, what's true for uh uh an entire church or an entire population, all of those things are different from person to person and everything is relative. But in in in dynamics and Scientology, you have to look at things both from your standpoint as a Thetan controlling a body and as a thetan. And what you believe and what you know are two entirely different things, and we separate these things out because if you don't know that you're you're in a body, which a lot of people on this planet don't, and believe that you only live once, well, okay, that's one way to look at it, and that's relative to your understanding and your knowledge. Um, you know, I was just talking to you guys uh before we started the podcast on when summer starts. And I said, Well, summer starts on the uh 21st of December in the Southern Hemisphere and on the 21st of June in the Northern Hemisphere. And Arthur said, What did you say, Arthur? You thought it started the first of December. Is that right?
SPEAKER_02:First of December. Yeah, and so I looked it up and then, yeah, so New South Wales is the first of December.
SPEAKER_03:Right. See, but from from my education in in physical science and meteorology, we look at it differently because we are looking at where the sun is in the sky relative to the equator. When the sun goes to its furthest point north in the sky in the northern hemisphere, that is June 21st. And when it's at its southernmost point in the sky is December 21st, and it's switched in the southern hemisphere of the planet because we're on a big blue marble. And so, from my standpoint, I know something, you know something, and we're both in the southern hemisphere. We're just on two entirely, completely different continents. And again, this is from the standpoint of physical universe. This is what Google says. This is what my education as a child and in college was these are when the seasons occur. But those seasons vary depending upon where you are at, what you are relative to on that big blue marble. If you live in Florida and you don't live in Minnesota, it's going to be different because you're further south towards the equator. So my point is if you looked at that from the viewpoint of a Thetan and the physical universe, know and believe are the same thing. And relative to what is it being defined as from the quote unquote authorities that say it is thus. Does that make sense to you guys? I mean, am I am I getting it across to our listeners and and everybody as to how I'm trying to analogize this?
SPEAKER_01:And and and that and that we each have we each have our beliefs and our knowingness. And depending on what you're um operating from or operating with, that's gonna determine how you move through life.
SPEAKER_03:It is right, right. I I'm I'm I'm I'm sitting here looking at looking at the temperature on my my my monitor on my Mac, and it says it's 85 degrees. And if I mistake it, if if if I'm not aware, I I go, oh, it's 85 degrees outside. Well, that temperature is coming from a weather station somewhere else that is saying that this this is the the temperature at this moment. No, it's not. I don't know that the temperature is the same here as it is where that weather station is. That's a relative truth, but I choose to believe it's 85 degrees outside because my computer tells me it's it's 85 degrees outside. Now, if I were to look at a local thermometer, it might be 87, it might be 80. So, and and that's just in the confines of the physical and the same thing with clocks and watches and stuff like that, right? Clocks and watches, and you know, I mean, you know, the the uh United States government, I don't know if it still exists, but and it probably does, but that even back in the 70s when my dad had a you said the United States government, I don't know if it still exists, it probably does, yeah. Well, I I'm just saying because I haven't and and and I haven't heard it in a long time, but when I was a kid, my dad used to have um a shortwave receiving radio, and there is a channel, you could probably go it google it, Arthur, but it was called WWV. And what it was is it came from uh Colorado, and it was a government-based, I think it was part of the National Ocean National Oceanic Atmospheres Administration, NOAA, the weather service, and it was based off of an atomic clock, and this is before smartphones, this is before computers, this was like 1973, 1975, somewhere in there, and it was a signal that was sent out over shortwave radio so that anybody that could receive that, which could be planetary in scope because shortwave goes a long way, it was the stable datum, and it had a ticking and a beeping on it, and then every minute it would say this is the stable datum for what time it is in that time zone, and then you could calculate your time with the differential from the time zones that you were in, and it ran constantly and it transmitted constantly. That was the stable datum for time in the 1970s, relative to the physical universe, of course. So, my point is that believe and know are very much like that, that this is the agreed upon time, and this is these are how particles move, and the planets moving around the sun, and the sun is moving around the galaxy, around this big, big black, supermassive black hole in this galaxy, so on and so forth. So, what you believe and what you know are relative to that which you can perceive and are aware of. And if you agree to particular things and they are manifest to you and a group of people that are making it so, well, that's relative too. Because Mercury retrograde may or may not be something we don't know. I experience it, you experience it. I hadn't noticed it till you brought it to my attention. But did I buy into that? Did everybody else buy into that? Do you see what I'm saying? And that's still in the physical universe.
SPEAKER_01:Well, and and what's what's also uh important is that your beliefs, and I'm I'm talking to you who are listening, your beliefs are something that are important to you as an individual, right? And that what you know is what you need to hold on to, what you need to hold on to is what you know to be true for you, right? That's just stable integrity, yeah. Yeah, and and Lrh uh in the uh technical dictionary, he talks about ridicule. And when when we're when one is ridiculed, let me give you the definition of ridicule first. So, ridicule is the subjection of someone to contemptuous or dismissive language or behavior, and so when one is ridiculed, it can affect you. And how many times have you been in a relationship or how many times have you been in the world or whatever, and you ran into a Karen or you ran into somebody, and there's a ridicule that's taking place, right? Well, it says here in the technical dictionary, ridicule is somebody grabbing hold of one of your anchor points, claiming it and holding it away from you. This is technical dictionary. Ridicule is somebody grabbing hold of one of your anchor points, claiming it and holding it away from you. That contemptuous and dismissive language, right? Uh is what the definition is in the you know, Websters or whatever. But in the tech dictionary, ridicule is somebody grabbing hold of one of your anchor points, claiming it and holding it away from you. And the way the reason why you feel ridiculed, the reason why you feel dismissed, the reason why you feel contempt, the reason why you feel a hatred or some kind of vitriol or whatever is because that person has grabbed hold of one of your beliefs, one of your anchor points, one of your stable data, claimed it, no, da da da, and held it away from you. You'll never be anything, you'll never amount to da-da-da. What you know how people do, right? And so I'm giving you this because whatever it is that you're working with that's orienting you, that's keeping you going, that's keeping you doing your thing, let that be your truth, let that be what gets you. And the reason why you even listening to this podcast is to get some awareness, maybe to expand your anchor points. If you've never heard of us talk before, let this be a sign, right? Expanding your anchor points to where you can now then say, Oh, I can see that, I can work with that, you know, I can be oriented by that thought or that knowingness or that viewpoint, right? And and then and by doing that, you start to expand your anchor points and you can have more space, you can have more reality, you can have more experiences, or maybe even a better understanding of the experiences that you're having, right? And this is why in independent Scientology, we do these podcasts, we put this stuff out so that you can have a better understanding of this tech, that you can get yourself in session and start to get the results and the benefits of that, and that you can start to learn more for yourself and you can have a better lived experience in this world. And don't let nobody ridicule you for that. Okay, don't let don't let anybody grab hold of any of your anchor points and say, No, you will not have this thought. You cannot be an independent Scientologist, you cannot go free. And they just try to hold it away from you. You grab hold of it and you run with it straight up the bridge. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, and that's that's that's just like some somebody coming up at Karen, you know, an HOA Karen saying, Your your HOA agreement says you can't have pumpkins out on your front porch on Halloween, it's against our terms. Remove these pumpkins right now.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, you know, are you living it sounds like you've lived in Australia?
unknown:Right.
SPEAKER_03:Well, there's nothing worse than an Australian Karen.
SPEAKER_02:And and the funny thing is, even with weather here, like the way they they pose the weather, oh, it's 23 degrees, but it actually feels like 21. It's like, what is that? Jeez.
SPEAKER_03:Right. It's all relative to what what that person is aware of, what's true for them is true for them. And so when you're you're looking at these phenomena and everything like that, to have a better understanding of these concepts of awareness, of perception, and that being relative. Um, do I do I think as a as as an OT8 that I have all the answers to everything? No. But I'll tell you what, I have a far, far, far, far better understanding of the universes that that I reside in, am aware of, and the nature of it. And I'm I'm not the adverse effect of it. And I can either agree or I can disagree. I can postulate, I can consider, I can be aware, I can choose to not be aware, I can choose to be more aware, and there's always more work to do, and that there's a lot going on in this universe, the physical universe, and other universes. And the only way to find out about these things in these universes and our inner relationship and work, creation, perception, all of that stuff, is in the materials that LRH so graciously spent his a vast majority of his life on and said, you know, check this out, see if it's true for you. If it's true for you, great, use it, apply it, pass it on. And that's that's the important thing is that we don't know what we don't know. He didn't know everything, and he knew that. But boy, was he a curious one to find out about things, distill it down, compare it to other things, put it in writing, and and say, hey, take a look at this, see, see what you think about this type of a thing. So that's what we're trying to do in these podcasts, and we come up with with with different viewpoints and and things that we're experiencing in life, the three of us, or that we've seen other people experience, and convey it over and try and put it into terms that everybody can easily understand. And you get this information from independence, independent Scientology and Dianetics. So um, in closing, is there anything else we want to tie this up in a pretty red bow on before we we leave our listeners with uh something to think about?
SPEAKER_02:Well, I think we're all right.
SPEAKER_03:I would agree. And that's it. Did we lose it?
SPEAKER_01:I'm sorry, I I didn't mean by magic. No, I say I say right. I say it's gonna be alright. Right L R I G H T.
SPEAKER_03:Right, and Late's uh LRA says uh also that um you know when everything seems all the lines seem awry and and and and things are dark and everything, uh don't you know don't despair because everything will turn out all right. And I I produced a an AI message two years ago, right before Thanksgiving, and I still firmly believe that and that it your your reality, your fate, your destiny is what you make it. It isn't left up to anything else for for anything to decide but yourself and take this information and do what you need to and do what you must and look into it for yourself. Don't take Quentin's or Arthur's or my word or whatever. We're not telling you what to believe or how to believe or how to assimilate that information, but we can help you with that if you'll let us. So thanks for listening and make sure that you check out our mastermind uh intensive that we've got going as a special. Uh, it's posted on Facebook and come see us. It starts December 1st. Uh, we'd like to see you, and we're gonna go over a lot of these concepts and everything in that and make you a much more powerful individual and pull all these stops that that are going on, either because it's for Mercury Retrograde or somebody else or yourself or whatever. We're gonna untie these knots and get you up the bridge. So check out the Mastermind Intensive and everything that it's about. Watch our video, it's on Facebook, and we'll see you for another podcast probably tomorrow. Namaste, and we love you. Bye-bye. Peace. Bye-bye.