Passive Income In Hammock? The World of Affiliate Marketing With Spencer Mecham

If you are new to the world of affiliate marketing then my interview with Spencer Mecham of Buildapreneur.com today is going to be good and could motivate you to start.  We discuss his affiliate marketing journey, what his team looks like, what worked for him, and some advice for people starting out.  Like most things, it isn’t easy but can lead to some good income down the road. 

Spencer started only 4 years ago and has a full-time income from affiliate marketing.  He teaches affiliate marketing and sells products…..so much in fact one company pays for his car each month as long as he continues with them.  

In this episode we talk about:

Clickfunnels One Funnel Away Challenge which is awesome value for getting started in affiliate marketing tools: https://neon.ly/clickfunnels

Spencers Blog: https://buildapreneur.com/

Spencers Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@spencerhacks

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Quickbooks Chart of Accounts: https://www.thesellersacademy.com/quickbookschart

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Transcript

[00:00:00.620] - Rob Cosman
Who doesn't want passive income sitting in a hammock while the money keeps rolling in? On today's episode, I sit down with Spencer Mecham from buildapreneur.com. Spenser's an affiliate marketer who started only four years ago and has a full time income from affiliate marketing. He teaches affiliate marketing and sells products just like affiliate marketers do so much, in fact, that one company pays for his car each month for as long as it continues with them. Let's hit the intro.

[00:00:28.550] - Rob Cosman
Welcome to the selling from the Beach podcast, where we talk about selling online, making money and creating a lifestyle that you want, recording from the white sandy beaches of Costa Rica. Here's your host, Rob Cosman. If you are new to the world of affiliate marketing, in my interview with Spencer today, it's gonna be a good introduction and could motivate you to start. We discussed as affiliate marketing journey what his team looks like, what worked for him, and some advice for people just starting out.

[00:01:02.380] - Rob Cosman
Like most things, it's not easy, but can lead some good income down the road if you do things right. Let's get to the show. Today's episode, I'm happy to have Spencer Mecham, who is an affiliate marketer, and his brand is buildapreneur. And I'm pretty excited because I know a little bit about Spencer and we've chatted on using on Facebook, and I'm harassing him all the time and trying to get his recommendations for things. So I'm like, great, I get to bring them on for an interview and tell everybody about affiliate marketing and probably ask a whole bunch of my questions. So, Spencer, great to have you aboard man.

[00:01:43.250] - Spencer Mecham
Yeah. Thank you so much.

[00:01:45.140] - Rob Cosman
So I stumbled across Spencer probably like three or four years ago when I signed up for click funnels and I was creating a membership website and I couldn't FAQ's and stuff were terrible. And I was trying to figure out how to make a membership site. And I found your video kind of explaining how to do it. And I was just like, oh, wow, this guy actually gets it. And then I just started down the rabbit hole and I was watching all your videos.

[00:02:09.500] - Rob Cosman
And, you know, my my manager kind of became, OK, well, what would Spencer do? And I'm like, I need an I need an email service. And I was like, oh, Spencer says he's an active campaign. OK, sure. I like literally just signed up with whatever links you put out. You know, I always kinda go to you and I go to your Facebook first whenever I'm trying to build anything.

[00:02:27.680] - Rob Cosman
So I'm super excited to have you here just to pick your brain and get some background and talk about affiliate marketing. So let's just jump into it. Let's give us a bit of kind of your background, where you live, what you do. Go to it.

[00:02:42.020] - Spencer Mecham
Yeah. So I'm I'm a born and bred in Utah, in the United States. And I've been here my whole life. Yeah. I've been I've been doing affiliate marketing in probably about four years now. And before that I was before that I pretty much was graduated from college with no idea what I was going to do. So I stumbled upon a affiliate marketing about six months out of college. I was at an SEO agency. And if you're familiar with the world of SEO, it's all about link building.

[00:03:07.010] - Spencer Mecham
So I was the guy that ten hours a day sat there and tried to build links to websites. So it's really drudgers work and, you know, 15 bucks an hour wasn't worth the drudgery of it. But I had a co-worker come to me one day and he's got he had a affiliate marketing website that he'd been kind of working on. And we were we were chatting and, you know, I was kind of like starting to start to get into the online world a little bit tinker and things.

[00:03:28.920] - Spencer Mecham
And he's like, oh, you should look into what I do. I I made this website. It's it's a vacuum cleaner review website is what it was. And so you just reviewed different brands of vacuum cleaners. You know, sounds sounds terribly boring. It looks the site was top ten ugliest sites I've seen in my life, like really terribly design and stuff, you know, just text and pictures of vacuums. But so it kind of starts  to me now.

[00:03:51.260] - Spencer Mecham
And I can remember being like, I don't want to do that. Doesn't look very, very funny that you know we started talk numbers. He's like, yeah, about five to ten to 5,000-10,000 a month from this side I put out like four to five blog posts a month and and that's how much I'm making of. I'm like, what? Are you kidding me? And he starts talking about the business model, you know? And he's like, Yeah, yeah.

[00:04:12.440] - Spencer Mecham
And I actually I forgot this month and last month I've just been busy. I haven't put out any content on it. I still make five to ten grand this month, you know, and so we'll start turning like, whoa, this is a model I can I can get behind. And so that was my my foray into the world. That was four years ago. And obviously, you know, if anyone's tried anything online, the first year was not not what it was expected.

[00:04:35.690] - Spencer Mecham
You know, I was like, hey, I can build a site that's can be an ugly site and ten minutes in review stuff, you know, boom. And, you know, all these all these dreams are dashed after two or three months of working away at it. But yeah. So I spent probably a year building my own affiliate marketing website that to this day has probably maxed out at about two hundred bucks I've spent I probably spent two thousand hours on that site for for two hundred bucks.

[00:04:59.360] - Spencer Mecham
But like with anything else, you know, I've learned I adapted, I started to connect with people. And over the past four years it's grown into a, you know, six, seven figure business all done from home.

[00:05:10.460] - Rob Cosman
OK, so just let's define what affiliate marketing is in a nice light, because, you know, when people hear affiliate marketing, sometimes they're like, oh, you're just trying to sell me something that's not yours just because you get paid.

[00:05:24.530] - Spencer Mecham
For the MLM of the Internet. But yes, I mean, it's surprising how it's got a bad connotation, because if you go find any company that you like, you know, any company that you're using in your day to day stuff, you'll probably go find that they have an affiliate program. And essentially they they pay people with influence, like people with audiences to promote their product to the audience. And typically in the affiliate marketing model, these companies will pay the affiliate marketer based on performance.

[00:05:51.980] - Spencer Mecham
So, you know, you get you get a special tracking link. And if you get they get one hundred sales tracked to your link, you get a percentage of each sale. So I love it because it's it's similar to what I do anyway. You know, marketing is what I was good at and understood before. But now I can get paid solely based on how well my efforts do. Right. I can do marketing. And if I blow up a company and I get.

[00:06:13.510] - Spencer Mecham
Twenty thousand leads that company I'm gonna get paid proportionally for for that, and it's very incentivizing for me to do that now. That's affiliate marketing is

[00:06:22.030] - Rob Cosman
OK. So you're starting for SEO. You're working for this company doing some SEO. It sucks. You started a website. It didn't turn out so good. So then what happened? Obviously, something something hit, right? 

[00:06:37.450] - Spencer Mecham
Yeah. And actually it was I mean, if so if if the people listening here have done anything online before, tried, tried to start a business, you're kind of just throwing, you know, throwing tape against the wall, throwing glue on the wall, trying to make something stick. And and that was what I was doing. And I I in that process somewhere, I threw out a few YouTube videos, not even trying to rank them on YouTube.

[00:06:57.310] - Spencer Mecham
I was actually like trying to send Instagram traffic to YouTube videos, like I said, throwing things at walls and hoping some sticks. And after I'd, I upload four or five YouTube videos and then forgot about it and continued on my blog and all my other things. And then one day I you know, you're kind of curious, like, I wonder what's going on on YouTube. I started a YouTube channel a while back, so I go back and hop onto the YouTube channel and it's just these videos are blowing up like every one of them is doing well, you know, one of them in particular was just hundreds of thousands of views, affiliate commissions coming in, you know, and I'm like, what? What just happened? And to this day, I couldn't even tell you why youtube break that video, because it was it wasn't a great video. It was pretty dry. The thumbnail is bad. There's really no reason for a drink. But I'm so glad it did because then it pushed me into into another side of affiliate marketing, which is YouTube.

[00:07:41.990] - Spencer Mecham
And I started to really hammer YouTube. So I after seeing some success on YouTube, you know I dumped the blog like, screw this, dump that Instagram page. I think it's going to dump me. Actually, I got banned from Instagram because they know what I was doing and tried to spam spam some people, you know, just thrown against the wall. So I so I built this YouTube channel. I start going all in on this YouTube channel and I pick one particular product, which is a product called Click Funnels.

[00:08:07.750] - Spencer Mecham
I ran into them about that same time and really, really lucrative affiliate program for a couple of reasons they had. So they have recurring commissions, which means they're a software company. And if I can get a lead in and the leads up for the software, you know, paying anywhere from one to three hundred dollars a month, I will now make 40% of the lifetime value of that customer. So whatever that customer pays click funnels for the rest of their life, I will not make 40% of it, which is awesome.

[00:08:32.470] - Spencer Mecham
As an affiliate right, I can now start building up this this portfolio, almost this recurring revenue. And on top of that, click funnels had a bunch of like small ticket offers. So I didn't even have to directly promote their their expensive software or their expensive trainings. You know, they've got they've got one dollar books and free offers and things that I could start like making videos about and pushing people to this free stuff and then click funnels, the company would take over.

[00:08:56.680] - Spencer Mecham
They would nurture the leads. They would sell the leads that would sell the leads, get them into the software and stuff. And I can make money, you know, like I said, lifetime of everything that they make off of that lead. So I really that like model made sense to me. I was like, I'm really good at marketing sending leads, but I'm not good at everything after that, like the funnels and the follow up and all that nurturing stuff.

[00:09:14.890] - Spencer Mecham
And so it was great to be able to find a company that can do all that well, you know, and I just got to get the leads in the door and let the company take over. So I found them. Everything made sense. You know that this is a good fit for everyone I could tell and started just pumping out content on YouTube like like you ran into one of my old videos you know that's three years old, like anything I could think of that selling might want to know more about with click funnels. I was putting videos out about it. And first five, nothing, nothing special. But somewhere around like video seven to ten, it started to happen. Right. Like YouTube basically tuned in and said, hey, this guy's he's honing in on a niche. Right. He's very specific in his videos. We can very clearly see Click Funnels is with all this whole channel is about. And so those videos started to rank in them I previously started to rank and you get shown in search and stuff.

[00:09:58.240] - Spencer Mecham
And I kind of the whole ship just started to rise about ten videos in. And as I'm putting out all these like, very specific videos and then it really just start to blow up around twenty videos in and the model is so beautiful, like YouTube plus affiliate marketing recurring because YouTube is actually a recurring revenue model as well. Right. You put out a video and that video will live like you said. You watch my videos, three years old.

[00:10:22.420] - Spencer Mecham
That video will live for years and years and will send leads for years and years. And if you send those leads to a recurring revenue program now, those leads make money. You know, those leads will convert into money for years and years and years. And so I've got videos that are three years old making me money today, and they'll make me money for years from now from the people that signed up three years ago.

[00:10:41.560] - Rob Cosman
Right

[00:10:42.080] - Spencer Mecham
It's just a really cool model. It's great for growth. It's pretty exponential in the way it grows and it's great for passive income.

[00:10:49.630] - Rob Cosman
Do you still get do you get ads from YouTube as well? Do you get add a cpc?

[00:10:54.430] - Spencer Mecham
Ad revenue?

[00:10:55.340] - Rob Cosman
Yeah.

[00:10:55.900] - Spencer Mecham
Yeah, I get so my YouTube channel is about twenty five thousand subscribers. I make about three, three thousand dollars a month off of this tray ad revenue, which is the real dreamer. Like no selling, no anything, just throw up an ad and make money. But that's a lot harder to do.

[00:11:08.980] - Rob Cosman
Yeah, but the bigger money is obviously signing up with the big affiliate that we'll move you up the value ladder and obviously increase the value.

[00:11:17.840] - Spencer Mecham
Yeah, yeah. Twenty,  hundred thousand views on a couple of YouTube videos is equal to ten people signing up for click funnels so,

[00:11:23.370] - Rob Cosman
So when you were out looking for, OK, what's an offer I want to promote and you found this or were you using click funnels or.

[00:11:30.840] - Spencer Mecham
No, it's a good question, actually. I was at a at my job. Someone decided they wanted to start using click funnels and they assigned me to figure it out like hey I was like, OK, I'll go figure this out about click funnels offer this out, like, OK, so I start tinkering with it and then I'm on, you know, you get on if you know click funnels, you get on an email list and it's over. Your email inbox is done for and so they started email me all this stuff and and they did a product launch in there.

[00:11:59.250] - Spencer Mecham
And I started to get all these emails and I could tell it. Some of them were from affiliates and some of them were from click funnels. And I was like, oh, OK, I feel a program. So that's how I how I discovered I was kinda it was lucky me.

[00:12:09.990] - Rob Cosman
Yeah. Well, and then you crushed it and you continue to crush it, right?

[00:12:13.620] - Spencer Mecham
Yeah. Yeah. I said really lucky me. It was a I'm I'm so glad I was at that job at that time because I've heard about them for a long time.

[00:12:21.000] - Rob Cosman
Because you went on you obviously did a bunch of it. I've seen your awards. I think you've gotten what, like guitars and wheels and all the Click Funnel affiliate awards or

[00:12:28.620] - Spencer Mecham
They love awards.

[00:12:29.710] - Rob Cosman
Yeah. Hey you got a free car out of it, right?

[00:12:32.400] - Spencer Mecham
I love awards too. You're right. And so.

[00:12:35.400] - Rob Cosman
And you got a car?

[00:12:36.750] - Spencer Mecham
Yeah, yeah, yes. I want a car. After a hundred active users, there's actually a lot of software companies do things like this, but you'll get a free car, with click funnels. They'll continue to pay your car payment as long as you maintain that. And so, like as I said, it's exponential. You know, I got my first ten, but now I've got ten videos out there that are all kind of bringing in leads steadily and twenty videos. And it's just kind of like I could sit back and just kind of watch this.

[00:12:57.850] - Spencer Mecham
Growth happened in maybe eight to 10 months later, I want a dream car

[00:13:03.430] - Rob Cosman
With and your dream car was?

[00:13:06.340] - Spencer Mecham
Toyota forerunner, but it's a cool Toyota forerunner. It's like it's got every bell and whistle that's available.

[00:13:13.630] - Rob Cosman
But I've seen it would be awesome in Costa Rica. I'd love to have that either I was work it.

[00:13:18.180] - Spencer Mecham
Ah yeah. Oh, it would be. Yeah. We live in Utah where lots and lots of mountains. It's a good time.

[00:13:24.020] - Rob Cosman
Cool. OK, so is that kind of still your main you know focus is click funnels or because you've got your own courses, your are you promoting other offers or are you just are you still kind of doing the affiliate marketing or are you more about I'll teach you how to affiliate market?

[00:13:39.100] - Spencer Mecham
Kind of fifty fifty now. So if you like, if you kind of watch my content now it's, it's half trying to teach people, but I'm lucky that I can teach people how to be an affiliate marketer and still being an affiliate marketer in the process. So right I'm we're talking softwares here. Any successful affiliate marketer is using something right there. If they're making blogs, they've got website hosts and they've got themes and WordPress and all that stuff running. Right?

[00:14:00.380] - Spencer Mecham
So there's there's five or six affiliate opportunities right there that you'll see me promoting more I can just teach people for free, affiliate marketing and still make money. And then on the other side, affiliate marketers are trying to do anything they're running landing pages, they're running email lists and email marketing and you've got to affiliate programs all over there. So I'm able to teach it for free and, you know, teach kind of the lower level stuff for free and make money.

[00:14:22.090] - Spencer Mecham
And on the affiliate side of that, I'm able to teach kind of a high level in depth stuff and charge for that stuff.

[00:14:28.060] - Rob Cosman
So let's talk about,if you know, what would you suggest for someone who's OK, I want to kind of get into affiliate marketing. I mean, a lot of our listeners are online sellers, Amazon sellers, you know always looking to diversify. What is a reasonable you know, what would you start with?

[00:14:46.330] - Spencer Mecham
I take something that I'm good at and that I could teach other people about. And then I call that my niche. I mean,there's like, for example, I can't imagine as an Amazon seller, there's not five or six, ten programs that you're using right now.

[00:14:59.380] - Spencer Mecham
Right. To find the products that are hot and whatever else it is you do on Amazon because I don't do Amazon, but I know that these Amazon sellers are using softwares and all kinds of things. So you could very easily  transition that into a, hey, I'm going to teach people how to sell on Amazon and and very naturally make money along the journey. So that's like one niche, but you can niche that in all kinds of things.

[00:15:20.620] - Spencer Mecham
I always just say, don't go, don't go top level, go, go a few levels down. So so Amazon selling right is a sub niche of Ecom, which is a sub niche to make money online. If you want to pick something to teach people and to to be your category, try to try to always think, is there another level down I can go because the less generic you are, the more specific you are in choosing this category.

[00:15:44.230] - Spencer Mecham
This, the more money you'll make in the long run, like your audience will be so specific, you'll be able to make affiliate offers to them and just have it blow up because because of how specific and tight your audiences. So yeah pick a pick a niche a category and then you need to pick a platform. So if you're an Amazon seller, you've been selling an Amazon but as an affiliate marketer, you need to pick a traffic platform like Facebook, YouTube, a blog, Pinterest, Instagram, Kaura, something preferably one, probably one of those.

[00:16:09.340] - Spencer Mecham
You're already actively using your you're good that hopefully you understand a little bit about it. Maybe you've been marketing Amazon products on that platform. So take that same idea and build up an audience on that platform or build up content on that platform specifically around that niche that you've chosen. I always say pick three to five products, call them your core products and pick them in the very beginning and then start creating content around them. So you can be as simple as a review or review of a product, then it could be a problem solution piece of content like, hey, you've got this problem, here's how to solve it.

[00:16:41.320] - Spencer Mecham
And you use the product in that content and then you can do those with all kinds of different, like the product solution. One, you can take a bunch of different ways.

[00:16:49.180] - Rob Cosman
Good. Hey, this is good because this is what I do too. Literally, you're like, oh, there's a problem with Amazon.

[00:16:56.110] - Rob Cosman
There's particularly about quickbooks and bookkeeping and, you know, I've developed some tools for it and you know, I just I'm like, it goes sign up for  quickbooks. There's a link. And then I sell them a product as well, a chart of accounts that makes a life a heck of a lot easier.

[00:17:07.840] - Spencer Mecham
Exactly.

[00:17:09.220] - Rob Cosman
OK, so. Talk about platforms, I mean, I love I have my own bias, I feel like we've talked about this earlier, like YouTube is great because, you know, the videos just stay there forever.

[00:17:21.100] - Rob Cosman
You know, like Twitter is like seems like five seconds. Like, why would you spend time on that YouTube? Like, people are searching, like I use YouTube like other people do. It's almost like Google. You know, it's a search engine versus a social media platform. What about like what do you think about that? Or Tiktoks, the new kid in town. You know what's.

[00:17:40.630] - Spencer Mecham
So I just I've been tinkering, on tiktok about about two months now, I got pretty big into it without a lot of fun, but there you got to break it down in your head.

[00:17:49.720] - Spencer Mecham
There's search and there's social and typically social is like you're trying about Twitter like it's it's one and done. Like your content is produced and your content disappears really quickly. But if your content is like relevant to something timely, you know, that day and stuff you're content can blow up like really quickly. And you could contrast that with Google, right where the first six months of creating a blog, you're probably going to get like ten total visitors from Google.

[00:18:11.440] - Spencer Mecham
Like Google wants a blog that's old. It's been around for a while. It's been pumping out content, you know, every week for six months. And that's when Google starts to take a blog seriously. And so it kind of depends on on you and how fast you want to start making money and if you want to eventually get to that passive route. So like like YouTube, if you start up YouTube videos, it's gonna take a while.

[00:18:33.820] - Spencer Mecham
You're not going to get a lot of traction in the beginning, maybe for the first six months. But once you get that traction, you have the opportunity to step back and the traction will remain. Facebook, right. I could start pumping out content on Facebook right now, like adding friends billion audience pumping out content. And I'll probably grow really, really quickly, like I'll hit kind of some viral subject matter and things like that. And I'll probably grow an audience really quickly.

[00:18:54.310] - Spencer Mecham
But I'm stuck in content mode for eternity. Right? It's got to be content every single day, content every single day. Because if I don't look at content today, no one will see anything of mine. And so that's kind of the balance you need to do. I like YouTube because they actually managed to strike a slight like they're kind of like a mix of social and search. You know, you can doing your search for things.

[00:19:14.890] - Spencer Mecham
But then it's got this social algorithm running, trying to help you and keep you on YouTube and stuff like that. And so you can actually blow up a new YouTube channel a lot faster than you can blow up a Google blog. But there's also that recurring, like they love to kick up old videos that are years old and things like that, and so I love that. That's why I love you, too, because I find that it kind of takes the good from both of those the social side and the search side and and gives you a piece of both.

[00:19:38.920] - Rob Cosman
OK, and then what are you doing on TikTok now?

[00:19:42.360] - Spencer Mecham
I playing with it, but I from from post, people were making stuff, it was really easy to to grow an audience on TikTok and I want to see if that's possible because who doesn't want some quick money? So I 

[00:19:54.690] - Rob Cosman
Everybody wants a fast money.

[00:19:56.560] - Spencer Mecham
want to get started posting. Yeah, everyone's fast money. And I was like, what the heck. And plus like, I make YouTube videos about this kind of stuff.

[00:20:04.060] - Spencer Mecham
So it's like I can wear shorts to work, I make a YouTube video about the whole experience and make some money that way, you know. Anyway, I'll share on you and you can see maybe the listeners can't see, but

[00:20:12.750] - Rob Cosman
yeah,

[00:20:13.010] - Spencer Mecham
I'm at about 100,000 followers in two months,

[00:20:15.780] - Rob Cosman
in two months?

[00:20:16.560] - Spencer Mecham
so in two months. And that's kind of the beauty of these brand new platforms, like when Instagram was the new kid on the block, people were just blown up Instagram so fast because because it wasn't so competitive and stuff like that.

[00:20:28.860] - Spencer Mecham
And that's what TikTok is right now, is is new guys that have so much potential to blow up, like TikTok still establishing an identity and and still letting, like, brand new people blow up. So it's TikTok right now. Someone might be listening to this podcast in a year and it might be a different platform, but but always keep an eye out for those new ones because those brand new kids on the block, they do always have the potential to get some, like instant explosions and build up an audience

[00:20:52.680] - Spencer Mecham
Super, super quick. And the beauty of it is like what I've been doing with TikTok right now is actually just sending sending people to my YouTube channel. And I've doubled my YouTube channel growth with the TikTok views. So even if you can't if you can't, like I can't figure out to monetize TikTok,

[00:21:06.540] - Rob Cosman
Right

[00:21:06.730] - Spencer Mecham
That's OK. Get them into your YouTube channel. That'll get them into the rest of my affiliate, all my affiliates stuff that I sell and things like that.

[00:21:12.540] - Rob Cosman
So that's what you're using them for?

[00:21:13.560] - Spencer Mecham
Yeah.

[00:21:14.070] - Rob Cosman
to get to get more followers to come in and then your call to action or your drive is, hey, go check out more videos over on YouTube.

[00:21:20.880] - Spencer Mecham
Yep. And then they watch a couple of those. They get into my world. I try to capture an email address in there somewhere and then of course I start to sell them things didn't knows

[00:21:29.510] - Rob Cosman
That's awesome. OK, so you're still selling click funnels. You've got recurring revenue for that. Like if you actually stopped right now and did nothing else, you'd still keep making money from that. And probably a few others, I'm guessing, like active campaign. I know I signed up an active campaign through you, so I'm still using it. I'm sure you're sure you're getting, you know, two dollars a month for that. But still.

[00:21:52.530] - Spencer Mecham
Yep, yeah. So I've tried to do the math because, like, this has always been a huge thing. It's like I want to lock in an income for a long time that's passive. So between active campaign click funnels, YouTube, I I probably locked in forty thousand dollars a month, forty thousand dollars a month in recurring and obviously over time that will drop, but not very fast because YouTube continues to feed those machines like YouTube continues to bring leads in for both of those.

[00:22:20.130] - Spencer Mecham
If you Google click funnel review or active campaign review, I'm one of the top few there. Right. And same thing on YouTube. And so the machine is continually being fed about recurring machines. We're not losing users, you know, and it's kind of dropping off. I'm also getting new, fresh people into that every every month as well.

[00:22:35.850] - Rob Cosman
So that's 40 grand. Let's say this is say the numbers forty. What are your thats to you? I mean, you've got a few costs, obviously, by some hosting and you know a bunch of other software. But I mean, it's. It's pretty much 40 grand

[00:22:48.190] - Spencer Mecham
 It would be to me if I like, cut you know it's like cut the cord and totally disappear to get there. I've had that. So I've got like I've got hirees on the blog.

[00:22:56.590] - Spencer Mecham
I've got employees that run the blog, employees that run the YouTube editing and the whole YouTube channel, and then like a general VA as well. So I've got three people that work for me, that I'm paying out full time salaries for that. But but if I mean, if I needed to and I was like, hey, I'm done with this business, I could snip it all and that would still continue to slowly peter out.

[00:23:15.670] - Rob Cosman
OK, let's talk about your team for a little bit. That's interesting. So you've got some VA's that where is everybody and kind of what do they do? What's your weekly?

[00:23:25.020] - Spencer Mecham
Good question. I've got two in the Philippines and one in the U.S., and I'm just getting at three in the Philippines, one in the U.S. and that poor employee got forgotten that he's a better off for like two weeks.

[00:23:38.220] - Rob Cosman
Still the new guy?

[00:23:39.820] - Spencer Mecham
Yeah, he's the new guy. So I've got the U.S. guy runs the YouTube channel. So he does all the video editing. Essentially, I sit down, I'll batch out four videos at the beginning of the month, shoot them over to the YouTube guy. He'll edit them, get thumbnails like you, get everything done, sketches them out and they're and they're good to go. Similar with the blog. I'll sit down with my blog manager. We'll do a ton of research and we'll come out with about 50 different blog topics we want to come out with, and then she's got templates, she fills out, makes outlines, she hires out to writing services like I writer and then some other ones and they come back.

[00:24:17.120] - Spencer Mecham
She format's does everything. It's linking, internal linking, figured out, gets them all posted and scheduled out and and does that. And then the other guy is building a software for me. He's a software developer guy.

[00:24:31.040] - Rob Cosman
So wait, so you just come up with the titles and then you outsource the whole writing of the blog to someone else and then your VA in the Philippines, kind of edits it and finishes it?

[00:24:42.260] - Spencer Mecham
Yeah, she runs the whole flow of everything. That's been a hard that's been a hard thing to figure out. That's where it is now, right. Yeah. We come up with 50 titles. All she gets is the titles. She has three different outlines she can use if it's a review, like a money making review or if it's an informational post. And she takes those and she says, OK, I do this outline for this title.

[00:25:03.770] - Spencer Mecham
So she'll build a little outline like the kind of research, what's currently doing well and stuff, build out a little outline and then she'll hand them to a writer. That writer will write them all up and stuff and come back to her. Yeah, she'll edit. She knows, you know, I work with her weekly on structure and and stuff like that so she knows what I want. She gets the images and all that stuff does the SEO and then throws it online and schedules it all out.

[00:25:28.610] - Spencer Mecham
So it's really cool.

[00:25:30.170] - Rob Cosman
That's awesome

[00:25:30.170] - Spencer Mecham
Yeah. It's really cool to have it just kind of running, you know, like you're kind of like just comfortable knowing content will always come out whether or not you were there and making it happen.

[00:25:37.400] - Rob Cosman
Yeah. I mean, you're you're only creating the title and then you've built standard operating procedures with her. And, you know, obviously she's evolving and and then she just gets it back. So how much does, like an article cost them when you outsource it to a good, decent writer?

[00:25:51.140] - Spencer Mecham
At the beginning, I was paying like a thousand dollars five hundred dollars an article, probably for a good like twenty five hundred word article, and then just over time, I had so much looking for good writers.

[00:26:00.830] - Spencer Mecham
Right. I always looking online, always hiring one off people on upwork, finding people on Facebook, hiring one off, giving them projects and seeing what they do. So I've got it down. The guy I hire right now, typically I'll pay about 50 bucks for two thousand words. And it's a it's a pretty good article. Yeah.

[00:26:15.640] - Rob Cosman
That's awesome

[00:26:15.700] - Spencer Mecham
Like, I've dropped it down to about 90 percent. And it's just slowly, like, every time I hear about someone saying like, oh, hey, there's this writer I hire, give him one article, see what they do.

[00:26:24.050] - Spencer Mecham
And if they do well, they get ten more. And that's been the hardest thing about finding a good a good writer that doesn't just fudge it with fluff. You know, 90% of the writers out there, they're gonna hand you the fluffiest bunch and nonsense that you've ever read, just words and words and words on a page. But these guys are pretty good, especially go ahead

[00:26:43.220] - Rob Cosman
Where they based out of.

[00:26:45.880] - Spencer Mecham
Australia, actually,

[00:26:47.210] - Rob Cosman
OK, so you're getting like a native English speaker, creating these or?

[00:26:53.880] - Spencer Mecham
So this is a guy that has a team, so I don't actually know who's doing the writing, he's got a team of like three or four writers. So I don't know, I just deal directly with the guy in Australia.

[00:27:03.010] - Rob Cosman
So meanwhile, there's a couple of cuts on the way to that 50. And the guy actually doing.

[00:27:06.940] - Spencer Mecham
Yeah, which is really mind boggling. If I could find that writer directly, I'd love to.

[00:27:14.130] - Rob Cosman
Awesome. OK, so you've got that is your video guy like full time.

[00:27:20.100] - Spencer Mecham
Probably more part time is for like 20 to 30 hours a week. The that the other videos take about 20 I got for that video a week and they take about 20 hours for him to do.

[00:27:27.980] - Spencer Mecham
And then he does some other stuff as well with those videos repurposing sometimes and things.

[00:27:32.630] - Rob Cosman
OK, so I want to know kind of what your week schedule is because you just talked about how you just batch your videos and you probably batch your how do you figure out what you want?

[00:27:40.830] - Rob Cosman
I mean, everybody's got this issue in the entrepreneur themselves, like, OK, Monday, what am I going to do this week? How am I making money? What's what's the easy money? The fast money? How do you plan out your your week? Do you have like a strict schedule? What's your how do you do.

[00:27:57.230] - Spencer Mecham
It's nice now because I've built up, you know, fast money is no longer what I'm going for. It's it's building the business. And so I've built up a long list of emails that go out whenever I get someone's email address to sell them different things. I've built up basically a way to monetize any any audience member that I can get. So now my my week is mostly focused on either creating new products to make money or content creation is where most of my time goes.

[00:28:25.160] - Spencer Mecham
That's I was just I flashed over to this week's like, what what do I have on the agenda this week? And I mean I mean, with my blog manager a couple of times a week to kind of talk to different post that are going out and stuff like that. Usually at least like one week of the month is spent on content creation just straight like me putting up a bunch of TikTok videos, bunch of YouTube videos, batching it all out like a straight forty hours of the month is gone doing that.

[00:28:47.540] - Spencer Mecham
And then I've got my my primary course. The affiliate secrets course, that I'm in the middle of of completely recreating and relaunching. And so a lot of that's me creating a product to sell. Right now. I'm creating a software right now with the software developer. We spent a long time going back and forth for affiliate marketers to use, and that's kind of the gist of my week. I probably spend two to three hours a day creating content on app, like if you if you map to map it all out.

[00:29:13.850] - Spencer Mecham
And that's what most people, I think struggle as an affiliate is the content side. Like, they just don't they overthink everything. And it's like, no, just start putting out content like like with my YouTube video example. Right. Like this TikTok example. I don't know what I'm doing, but I'm just putting stuff out there, like trying different things that I'm learning as I go. And they try to like everyone gets in this stuff form of like, well, I got to learn all this stuff.

[00:29:33.320] - Spencer Mecham
I can't make a YouTube video, figure out how it all works, you know, and then it's been nine months figuring out how it works. And you to learn twice as much just putting out videos and you would probably have one or two of them that we're doing well at this point.

[00:29:43.670] - Spencer Mecham
So, yeah, content create creating content is like the number one thing you'll do as an affiliate,

[00:29:48.170] - Rob Cosman
except you need to learn what you can't do on the platform so you don't get banned like you did on Instagram. Right?

[00:29:55.340] - Spencer Mecham
You do need to learn a few things. Yes. But even that was a good learning experience, right? My flipped out a new Instagram account two minutes later and started going again.

[00:30:05.930] - Rob Cosman
But that's that's the worry, right? Like if all of a sudden I did a blog and then I get banned from Google Ad Sense or Facebook, you know. You know, I know people that have gotten banned from Facebook ad accounts and.

[00:30:17.360] - Spencer Mecham
Yeah. And I would say still I mean, I see people like worry about that and they don't put out ads because they're worried about learning how this works and what's going to get a ban and but I'll let you, obviously, you couldn't find a successful Facebook ads guy that hasn't lost a few Facebook ads accounts. You couldn't find someone successful on Instagram that probably hasn't had an Instagram account yet, paused or shut down.

[00:30:35.680] - Spencer Mecham
And so you really learn it all along the way as you go. And you're obviously consuming content, buying courses, all that kind of stuff. But none of that's gonna gonna to get you anywhere until you get into this habit of just like hey content, content, content. And that's where you'll you'll learn, you'll learn and you'll grow the most in those days.

[00:30:54.070] - Rob Cosman
What now, you're obviously full time, you've got a full on staff now this is yet for you. What could someone do just kind of casually part time, you know, kind of like the side hustle without having to pump out content every single day? I mean, obviously, if you sit down and batch it, I'm a big fan of the batcher. I like that. You know, you sit down and hammer out a whole bunch of videos or, you know, just do one day you get in that mode you just hammered out. But someone is not going to be this big.

[00:31:21.970] - Rob Cosman
But what would you say, you know, trying to make a few ad dollars or, you know, probably doesn't like to be on video. And a lot of people do people don't want to hear their own voice. I don't listen to my own voice. I hate it in the podcast. What would you suggest for someone who just doesn't want to go as big as you are, but just, OK, I want to test the waters, kind of get started with something small, maybe make a few dollars.

[00:31:44.580] - Spencer Mecham
So first off, that was me, right, three years ago, like this wasn't like, oh, I'm gonna build this affiliate empire. It was just like I like I make it 15 bucks an hour and I want a little more money to spend on things. And so you need to pick a platform. So it could be YouTube, it can be Google, whatever it is. And yeah, you don't have to like like I pump out massive amounts of content, but it definitely does have to be that way.

[00:32:06.090] - Spencer Mecham
Like when I want to click on a dream car, that means I have a hundred active users and five thousand dollars a month coming in. That, that was when I quit my job. So that was all side hustle stuff. And I was doing a video week, I mean, just like I'm doing one YouTube video a week. But that could be done on Google, one blog post a week. That could be done on, you know, TikTok, TikTok a lot easier.

[00:32:24.670] - Spencer Mecham
So If I want to do it one tick tock a day or something like that. But you need to pick, like, one product that you're one or two products that you're all in on, you love, and you want that that, that's gonna be your product. And then in the beginning, you start putting out content, talking about that product and things like that. And we'll get to where you're as you as you grow, you'll learn about building email list and capturing email lists and all that stuff.

[00:32:44.880] - Spencer Mecham
But at the beginning doesn't have to be that hard. Right. Like, just just get on a TikTok, go see go pick a niche or a category, go see what everyone else is doing. Build out a little list of like oh here's ten, twenty videos I can do at 5:30 pm every day, you know, right after work I'm going to hop in my car for thirty minutes, I'm going to whip out this TikTok and, and I'm going to do that for two months straight, see what happens.

[00:33:05.580] - Spencer Mecham
And that's all I was doing on YouTube is a video week. You know, I'd spend I'd get a free night once every couple of weeks and I'd filmed three or four YouTube videos but not a free night. And then I batch them out for the next three or four weeks. And and there was a side hustle, right? Kind of side hustling until things took off.

[00:33:22.560] - Rob Cosman
OK, now and I want to know because I didn't ask you before, when did you quit the SEO job? What was the tipping point? When you're like effort, I'm done with my boss or I got a lot of money in the bank and I'm good for, you know, get a little runway.

[00:33:34.800] - Spencer Mecham
Yeah. So actually, I quit that SEO job right after I learned about the affiliate business and then took another one. We had a we had a kid and I was like fifteen dollars an hours I'm just not gonna to credit for the baby. So I had an in-between job before I actually officially quit working, quit the SEO job, took another job for one year. And so that was the big year where I kind of figure it all out. And in October of 2017, I think it's when I quit that job, which would be literally right when I got to five thousand dollars a month with click funnels and recurring, I'd been saving up so that money.

[00:34:04.080] - Spencer Mecham
So there's like five thousand dollars a month, I've got twenty five thousands in the bank, you know, I got savings, everything set up. I'm going to save points. I've got a business, I've got an asset here that this YouTube channel and this email list, I'm at a fairly safe point to quit and and run on my own for a few months.

[00:34:18.240] - Rob Cosman
And then you decide to have another child once it was on.

[00:34:23.370] - Spencer Mecham
Yeah. And then we just turn on the faucet, you know, they come.

[00:34:27.870] - Rob Cosman
So what's your what's what's kind of your lifestyle now. Like what's the freedom? You know, it's always like to just, you know, what else have you been able to do? Because you don't have to go into a job. You don't have to go to the nine to five, like, what is what's fun? What is this career that you've a business you've created? What's enabled you to do?

[00:34:46.670] - Spencer Mecham
Yes, I mean for a while, I was taking full advantage of it, you know, every other day going somewhere, and we took a month and a half off and went to Hawaii and did almost nothing there.

[00:34:56.330] - Spencer Mecham
So that was all really good. The last probably eight months, I've been much more like I just want to I want to grow this. I want to grow really big. I want to get other people involved. You know, I really like what I do lot to get other people involved in it. And so I switched over probably March of this year to almost just a straight nine to five. I go in my office at 9:00 to 5:00 or at 9:00 in the morning.

[00:35:19.100] - Spencer Mecham
I sit here and work till 5:00 and I and I leave, which is very traditional. There's definitely still some perks like on it, like a sunny day like today. I'll probably go out in about a half an hour and work in the hammock outside because 60 degrees and sunny, that's a perk. Any time something comes up, I'll still kind of disappear. So I'm really heavy into pickleball. It seems like everyone is these days. And so someone says, hey, pickleball, you know, I'll drop everything on the dime and go play pickelball.

[00:35:44.780] - Spencer Mecham
I'm out of here right now. But other than that, like a fairly normal nine to five schedule, just because I'm kind of in growth mode again and kind of ulta focused again.

[00:35:54.380] - Rob Cosman
OK, I always ask people this, can you give us an example of something that was an absolute disaster and how you kind of overcame it or, you know, persevered, went through it? You know, I don't think losing your Instagram account was a disaster by the sounds of it, but something that didn't work. And you're like, OK, that sucked and how you kind of get through it.

[00:36:15.140] - Spencer Mecham
Oh, yeah, which one

[00:36:17.430] - Rob Cosman
should ask great entrepreneurs like I throw that stuff at the wall that didn't work, that didn't work

[00:36:22.990] - Spencer Mecham
exactly

[00:36:25.070] - Rob Cosman
you know never trade things not working and then things that like, OK, this was a big issue, but we still are.

[00:36:29.000] - Spencer Mecham
Yeah, that was a flop.

[00:36:30.350] - Rob Cosman
Right.

[00:36:31.400] - Spencer Mecham
So this the software where I'm building this is my first, like, foray into that whole software. You know, I promote softwares and I don't build them. So I but I had this really good idea for this WordPress kind of plug in, had all these, you know, can be pretty hard, a lot of things. And I was like, I got to find someone to build it. So I look pretty hard.

[00:36:47.780] - Spencer Mecham
Found someone and I didn't look very hard. So I was probably the weakest thing I did. I was like, anybody know guy the software, some guy's like, yeah, just got a software on my cool you're hired like this, you know, really, really lazy of me. Should have been my first mistake. So I pay this guy, I'm over paying him, I'm paying someone 50 bucks an hour about the software, which is fine if you're stateside and you've got to you know, they've got his team and stuff like that.

[00:37:11.030] - Spencer Mecham
But I wasn't getting the fifty dollar an hour experience. Let's say we build this this software and it's, uh, I probably spend fifteen thousand dollars on it getting at this point. I'm like, OK, exactly. I want to be I'm going to start selling it and I give it to the I to a couple of guys like hey, come sell it for cheap. I want you to test it out, something that works on your website and things like that.

[00:37:32.990] - Spencer Mecham
And so I give it to the first guy and he gets back to me like an hour later and he's like, hey, my whole website just went down and I can't log into my back and my, you know, my dashboard was broken and my website front is broken.

[00:37:42.950] - Spencer Mecham
And I was like, oh, because it worked on my website, I was like, I assumed whatever else, you know, all the other guys like, hey, don't, don't, don't load it up on your site. And we lucked out. This guy had a backup of his site stuff. If he didn't, then he'd probably hate me forever. And anyway, but so I go and now I like take it seriously and start looking for for someone to, like, start looking into what's going on here.

[00:38:08.240] - Spencer Mecham
And just essentially, I don't know what I'm doing with code. I hired a guy that I guess didn't have a ton of experience in this. It wasn't built properly. And I, after a lot more research, you know really networking and finding someone that that's good. I find someone that's about a fifth of the cost and the original guy and he is really good. He gets in there for two seconds, seems like, oh, are you kidding me fixes that problem, you know, in ten seconds and then says we've got to start all over.

[00:38:37.340] - Rob Cosman
Oh,

[00:38:38.480] - Spencer Mecham
we got to like the whole thing is, is, is just coded from the you know, from the first line of code to the end, it's it's coded poorly. And you're going to run on issues like this all the time unless I start from scratch and then really build this. Right. So that that was that's happening right now. So that's probably the most recent big mistake was there's fifteen thousand dollars gone.

[00:38:57.140] - Rob Cosman
So this is this is the one you're working on right now?

[00:39:01.040] - Spencer Mecham
Yeah. Yeah. So he I have the update that the version right now is the is the updated version that this guy is the new guy's been working on. Yeah. If I give you that one, are you one of the people that I gave gave it to in fact a few people in that forgotten who was all got access to it.

[00:39:15.410] - Spencer Mecham
But yeah, this is the one I've I've, I have like a now a really beta version from the the new builder out right now. And uh, and we're kind of working our way back into it. But, you know, six months it took about six months to build, which it shouldn't have taken. Six months was one big problem it probably coming out in a month. And then, you know, a lot a lot of money went into it.

[00:39:34.130] - Spencer Mecham
And just because I can't I can't I don't know what I'm doing, you know, with software. I can't look at it like, oh, you're doing this wrong or yeah, show me the code. Let me see if you're doing this right. So all I could see is what he's putting on my site and what's working. And it was working on my site, so I assumed it was you know, it was good.

[00:39:49.430] - Spencer Mecham
But if you live in there,

[00:39:53.000] - Rob Cosman
that's that's my biggest thing, is if I'm trying to hire people that, you know, graphic designers and I've reached out to you a bunch of times, I'm like, hey, what do you got? Who can I get? And, you know, it's difficult. Sometimes they're good, sometimes they're not good and it's

[00:40:05.450] - Spencer Mecham
sometimes they disappear and take your money and run. It does, too.

[00:40:09.890] - Rob Cosman
Yeah. And it's just trying to persevere through them and just. OK, well that didn't work. And then find the other, you know. So

[00:40:15.750] - Spencer Mecham
yeah

[00:40:16.610] - Rob Cosman
I always did. go ahead

[00:40:19.490] - Spencer Mecham
Oh I was going to say when you find someone good like latch on to them, give them everything you can like make them so happy because. Yeah. Yeah. That as you get into it like you're saying, you start to realize like a good employee or a good contractor is hard to find someone who just does what they say is actually so hard to find.

[00:40:36.950] - Rob Cosman
Yeah. Everybody is just full of it. Just do what you're going to do. Like if you can't do it, say you can't do it if it's above your skill set or, you know, like you don't want to do it, don't do it. I'm like, yeah, it's going to take you two weeks if you don't want to do the project, you know, drag it on for five, six, seven weeks, like I'm not going to be happy with it.

[00:40:53.810] - Spencer Mecham
And that should build the the self-esteem of any freelancer out there that is just like, hey, I do what I say. I don't even have to go. I, I just do what I tell them I'm going to do, you know, and I do it in the time frame that I tell them, like, you're above 90% of the other people out there and you may not even realize it, like how much better you are just for being that kind of worker.

[00:41:11.870] - Rob Cosman
Yeah, it boggles my mind just how low, the bar is set for so many people, right? OK,

[00:41:18.300] - Spencer Mecham
Yeah I learned Photoshop once I'll get you something.

[00:41:22.140] - Rob Cosman
Now there's canvas. So I don't need Photoshop expert

[00:41:26.930] - Spencer Mecham
Oh this word on five or arbitrage deal. I'm sure people have done that to me too.

[00:41:31.140] - Rob Cosman
You just told me there's a guy doing that who's writes your blogs. He's like, I don't know who doesn't it? While some other guy.

[00:41:37.890] - Spencer Mecham
You found the guy on fiverr? Yeah, he found the guy on five that's doing it right. We just tell him.

[00:41:42.870] - Rob Cosman
exactly that. I've taken up a ton of your time, so we're winding down. You know, I love the advice for, you know, new people getting started. What is, you know, like is you start to advance. What's some advice that you think, you know, OK, now you're starting to get traction. If you've got to say maybe you've got some videos, kind of what would be kind of the next step to take your game up, you know, what was it for you that, you know, was it hiring additional people?

[00:42:07.770] - Rob Cosman
Was it spending more time pumping out content? It was kind of the next step for you.

[00:42:13.900] - Spencer Mecham
It was focusing on building assets, I guess so, so I didn't I didn't know anything about any malice at the beginning, most affiliates don't. Once all of my activities started to point to building an email list. But two steps. So first, I built I built an email sequence that was miles long, like six months to a year's worth of emails that go out and market affiliate products right just sell, sell, sell.

[00:42:37.290] - Spencer Mecham
And they build rapport for me and staff too. But a lot of selling going on. So I built that. And that becomes this asset that now every piece of content they create tries to capture an email address and feed into that sequence because that's where all the money is being made. Right. And it's passive because it's a year of emails going out without me sending them. And so if you can get that built, you can get that that asset of an email sequence built that's six months to a year long.

[00:43:02.950] - Spencer Mecham
You can now focus 100% of your efforts on that front end content. And that's when it really changed for me, I think, because I was trying to do all these things. I've got to send out an email the day I got to sell this today, I got to, like, find a product. And so once I built that this year of emails, it was just like what I got to do today. Let's got to create content and try to point them to one of my email capture magnets.

[00:43:23.260] - Spencer Mecham
And if I can if I can build just content for them to that, it's going to do well. And now I could spend and I could spend eight hours a day just putting out content and do well, but do well right now, because I know that every single piece of content I create points them to a capture page. And every time someone puts in their email address there, I've now, you know, I've now got the next year I'm going to be selling to them, showing up in their inbox and selling them things.

[00:43:44.410] - Rob Cosman
How long did it take you to create that email sequence?

[00:43:47.950] - Spencer Mecham
So I got the first like three months in a in a week or two to just me sitting there typing. And then I've just gotten into the habit of about every week, maybe every other week I'll get in and add like one or two emails to the end of it and just keep just keep stacking on the end. So I definitely build it all at once. But that's a good habit you can get into as well as today. I'm going to create one piece of content.

[00:44:05.920] - Spencer Mecham
I'm going to add one email to the end of my sequence. Right. And then you could and then you're feeding people into your sequence. You're adding to the end of your sequence. And there's still very few people that have got to the end of my sequence. And then if they're OK, they're there and they're just waiting for me to add the next thing off to the end of the sequence and they'll be my beta testers for that email, you know.

[00:44:23.320] - Rob Cosman
Cool. Where can everybody find you, actually, before we even ask you that, you talked about one of your your affiliate courses that teaches you how to be an affiliate.

[00:44:34.080] - Spencer Mecham
So it's got to affiliate secrets, its on version two right now, I'm in the middle of building version three people to get version two. We'll get three for free. But it's everything I know, everything I've learned. Right. I pour it all into there and I try to make it as easy as possible for people inside there with templates and the emails that I'm sending and then really there's many details as I possibly can so they can see what's been working for me and what's not.

[00:44:55.110] - Spencer Mecham
A lot goes into teaching people traffic. Like what? How am I making YouTube videos that rank I'm making YouTube videos blow up and in algorithms and things like that. So yeah, that's secrets. You can get it at affiliatesecrets.co so not com .co some schmuck is sitting on the .com domain

[00:45:11.460] - Rob Cosman
waiting for you to pay,

[00:45:13.080] - Spencer Mecham
waiting for a com but I'm not going to do it .co works just fine. So affiliatesecrets.co you can get access to that and then get on your other note, I put out a ton of free content.

[00:45:23.520] - Spencer Mecham
You talk about email. I talked a lot about email. I've got a massive email training that's free that teaches all the stuff I'm talking about email. You may or may not have taken that, but it's it's at buildapreneur.com/free there's free like get started with email marketing, get started affiliate marketing, how to do copywriting and how to sell with copy, things like that. A lot of a lot of free trades you can go in and just throw in an email address and get access to.

[00:45:45.920] - Rob Cosman
Awesome, so buildapreneur.com that's kind of your main hub, your Facebook group is sick, I hang out there a bunch of I mean, affiliate marketing Facebook groups are fulled of other affiliate marketers it's like affiliate marketers affiliate marketing. But yours is very good. I mean, you keep it clean. That's kind of my go to, its not huge. It's still really big, but it's super engaging. I love your your group. That's kind of like

[00:46:12.140] - Spencer Mecham
a battle. It's a battle. And we get we get people who, like you said, it's full of free affiliate marketers and they're all trying to sell something to the other affiliate marketers in the group. And so we are constantly like, you know, they're getting smarter with like, why I can't just directly make a post, like, hey, buy this because I'll get deleted. So they make these live little post, you know, how's your affiliate business doing? And then people respond like, oh, I'm struggling.

[00:46:32.930] - Spencer Mecham
And then, boom, you know, in the box they go

[00:46:35.750] - Rob Cosman
find in the dm's.

[00:46:36.800] - Spencer Mecham
Yeah, slided. So we're constantly like, remember to fight those probably five to ten of those a day we're having to like, think through like, OK, this is this, this post seems like innocentive on the front end, but we can see what they're doing on the backend and get them out of there.

[00:46:54.230] - Rob Cosman
You know, this again, this is why we can't have anything nice people join the other day, literally, somebody join my group and I'm the same as you like. I ask questions to join my group to make sure it's not crap and obviously try to get an email as well. And then, you know, other like, hey, buy Bitcoin, here's my WhatsApp number contact me. You're not even trying and you're just you know I was sleeping at the wheel and I know he got a couple hours in, but it happened.

[00:47:17.240] - Spencer Mecham
I'm going to make a fun YouTube video someday where I try that. I just want to try it and see if it works. Like I've always wondered, are they making a penny on that? And if they are, maybe I guess it's worth it, but I don't think they are

[00:47:28.730] - Rob Cosman
or somebody else outsourced to that guy to go do it. Right?

[00:47:32.180] - Spencer Mecham
Yeah, yeah. Maybe that's what he's doing. You do my affiliate marketing for me like, OK,

[00:47:37.070] - Rob Cosman
Genius. All right then. I love talking to you. I've got tons of questions. I could keep going, but, you know, I think your course is great. Check out the group. I'll put everything in the show notes. And thanks for being here, man. I really appreciate it.

[00:47:50.330] - Spencer Mecham
Yeah. Thanks for having me.

[00:47:53.100] - Rob Cosman
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