Part 2: A Tribute to Good Will Hunting: Unforgotten Insights and Reflections

Ever wondered about the delicate dynamics that unfolded between Sean McGuire and Will Hunting in the classic film “Good Will Hunting”? It’s a bond worth examining, as we see it steer the course of the storyline and leave an unforgettable impact. Join Josh, Jake and I, as we delve into the intricacies of this unique relationship, discussing how their therapy sessions become a platform for thought-provoking conversations about love, art, and war. We also take a moment to acknowledge the recent loss of prized entertainers Steve Harwell and Jimmy Buffett, talking about their contributions to our pop culture.

The discussion then moves into the brilliance of the film's writing, cinematography, and its timeless quotes. We dissect key scenes, including the psychology behind the iconic moment when Will gets choked, and the book 'I'm Okay, You're Okay' appears in the background. Get ready to feel like a virtual tourist in Boston as we explore its depiction in the film. As the conversation expands beyond the scope of Good Will Hunting, we share our thoughts on famous bromance films, potential future collaborations and our favourite movie couples.

In the final leg of our journey, we reflect on the emotionally charged scenes of the film and their personal impact on us. One of us even shares how the movie inspired a significant life change. We discuss how Robin Williams' ad-libbed lines contributed to these powerful moments and the film's lasting influence. As we close, we ponder over the film’s perfect ending and the memorable lines that have stayed with us. So, join us in this exciting exploration of one of the greatest films of our time, remembering that, "It’s your move, chief!

Transcript

Speaker 1 0:07

Welcome to this episode of this Won't Teach you Anything. In this episode we'll continue our discussion with my good friends, josh and Jake about the film Good Will Hunting. It's the second part of our discussion. As often happens, we go ahead and talk a lot and we went for over two hours on this, and that's the reason that we are in two episodes.

Speaker 1 0:31

I wanted to go ahead and mention the past in a couple entertainers, since this is a pop culture podcast. This past week we've lost Steve Harwell of the band Smash Mouth, known famously over for All Star and Walking on the Sun. He was only 56 years old and we also lost Jimmy Buffett of Margaritaville fame Beach Bum lifestyle. I had the pleasure of going to a couple Buffett shows and they were always something that drew huge crowds Every summer, I know here in Indiana, down at what used to be Deer Creek Music Center Now I believe it's Roo-Off Music Center. It was always hey, are you going to the Buffett show? And so Jimmy Buffett will definitely be missed. Last episode we left off talking about the complicated relationship of Sean McGuire and Will Hunting in their therapy sessions, and that's what we're going to pick up here, with Jake starting us off talking about that relationship.

Speaker 2 1:51

All right. So one of the interesting things about if you're paying attention to when Sean and Will are together is the smoking aspect of when he comes in there, because the first one he comes in there lights it up, and Sean is still getting to know him. This is the first introduction. So there's, the boundaries are being found out by both sides and Sean makes a little off-color joke about you know, if you probably be a hanky, you would probably be a healthier for you to stick that cigarette up your ass, you know. So he's letting them know that you know smoking isn't supposed to be going on here, but I'm allowing it because we're just getting to know each other.

Speaker 2 2:32

Next time that they see each other, Will comes in and he's already smoking because he feels like he bested Sean, and so Sean comes out and they go straight out to the bench. You don't see him smoking. So after he says it's your move, chief, the next time that you see them having their meeting, he comes in, tries to light up and he goes no smoking. So he's letting them know distinctly these are the rules now that we have established, and I have set these parameters around this, and so you have to abide by them. And it's still your move. No more talking. You have to open up to me, and this is the rules of therapy.

Speaker 1 3:17

Right, he's building a trust from that point and also establishing that while they're in there for therapy, that you know he's in there to go ahead and help Will, and Will has to be, you know, at a point where he's accepting the help. But to do that they've got to go ahead and exist in the world where Sean is in charge, yeah, to go and do that, but he you know he didn't come down with the heavy hand you know kind of segwayed into it in a more a gentler way that Will, accepted from the fact of what they had been through with their previous encounters.

Speaker 2 4:05

Yeah, that's true, and so I think that that is one of those things that I don't know this as a father. You know this as a father, but you, you don't necessarily have to be the friends of your sons or sons or daughters or anything, but you still have to show authority to them and you want to be liked by them, but you still have to put down the rules, and I think that's something that he did, and not necessarily in the way that the, the, the, was it, the foster parents did or whoever the father figures or mother figures did with him before. So he did it in a more, a more loving way, because he wants to find out about him. You have to open it up to him.

Speaker 1 4:51

Right and and Will you know? I mean the character wants to go ahead and and you feel that he wants the help, but he just has like zero trust in in anybody outside of his circle of friends.

Speaker 2 5:07

Yeah, yeah, very true.

Speaker 1 5:10

You know when, when Sean talks to him about you know, after you know, you destroy it. You saw one painting and destroyed my life in a tour of my life apart. And then he makes mention on that bench of. But then it occurred to me you're just a kid and you don't have the faintest idea of what you're talking about.

Speaker 3 5:28

Yeah, I like that I like that I like that I mean, I will take that in, yeah.

Speaker 1 5:35

No, you're, you're right. I mean, it's a hundred percent, and you know that's when he hits him. I believe, with it's your move chief. And then he gets up and just walks away and leaves Will just sitting there. You know, like, like or just mentioned, just you know letting that sink in. You know you could tell it's like the first time it really connected, you know with him. You know that somebody would would go ahead and challenge Will in that way and Will stays silent.

Speaker 3 6:03

That's like you know, whereas you know as quick with it as he is he. He showed some respect to Sean and just took it. You know what I mean. He didn't. He didn't fight back on anything that Sean was saying. He didn't try to get wise with him and just right.

Speaker 1 6:20

Or maybe he just didn't know how, you know, maybe it, maybe it hit him so much that he just didn't know how to react.

Speaker 2 6:28

And I think it's also like you said, he doesn't really know how to react, but he's also being challenged in a way that he hasn't been challenged with other people, because Sean is challenging them with knowing that his all the different aspects love, art, war and those things those things are bringing, being brought up by Sean, and he's also being vulnerable at the same same time Because, like you, have to go through life and experience it rather than reading it in a book, and that's something that Will has not perceived in a way that that he thinks that reading a book will be a way to be able to transport you to all these different places. When, when Sean is trying to explain to him what real love is, what, what going to the Sistine Chapel is what holding your best friend in your arms and, no, you can't do anything to it those are things that are described to him, that that open. I think it unlocks some things for Will to be able to understand that and it challenges him in another way and intellectually.

Speaker 3 7:42

And the audience too. That's a big audience grabber. You know, those those human elements that you know hold you in a story, even though it's fiction. You know there's usually something in somebody's life that you can identify with. But just those those heavy human elements that they brought in that scene that just kind of smacks you in the face.

Speaker 1 8:03

Yeah, you can go ahead and see that. That's why it's so astonishing to me that the you know the film I don't have exact ages, you know, and, jake, you mentioned over the course of the years that that this film was written, the screenplay was written, but, you know, the screenplay itself shows a lot, a lot of maturity. I mean, you know, it's written by people. It feels like, and the quotes and the lines, they feel like they're written by somebody who has lived their life and has experienced all this stuff. You know, for these guys to come up with this stuff is incredible. I mean, you know this, this line, right here from the scene we were just talking about, when it's a quote from the film and it's when Sean is talking to Will on the bench there and he's he's talking to him about how, you know, will hasn't basically an answer for everything and it's you know it's it's from this.

Speaker 1 9:08

And he he says I'd ask you about love, you'd probably quote me as sonnet, but you've never looked at a woman and been totally vulnerable, known someone that could level you with her eyes, feeling like God put an angel on earth just for you, who could rescue you from the depths of hell. I mean, you know just that kind of thought process you know for somebody. You know in their 20s, when they're, when they're writing this, I mean, and to go ahead and have to go and flesh out these different characters and and then make the connection between them that feels natural and genuine with with a line like that. That's basically saying you know you've and he does say it in a later line when he talks about you know, it's all stuff that that you're learning from books, that someone else is telling you, and even Will mentions it at the what they call the Harvard bar, early in the film. You know that he accuses the, the one guy that's going to Harvard, of not having an original thought.

Speaker 1 10:12

Well, in a way that's what Sean's telling Will Exactly.

Speaker 3 10:17

Yeah, you know.

Speaker 1 10:19

So you know he can. He can go ahead and read all about this stuff, but he does he really understand it. It's all based off of what somebody else has told him.

Speaker 3 10:28

And I don't think he understands that he doesn't understand. He thinks, because I've read it and I've soaked it in this way, that that's the way that it is. So yeah, again I rewatched it, but just hearing it broken down that way gives me a new appreciation for that.

Speaker 2 10:44

And, yeah, that goes along the line with what they were trying to do Matt David and Ben Affleck. They were trying to be actors and they were wanting roles like this. So they are going in and reading auditions of all these other movies. I mean, he was up for a cent of a woman. He lost it to Chris O'Donnell, so that also has great writing in it. School ties there there was some good writing in that. I mean, worked with Denzel Washington. These guys were trying to be these other people and to try to write something like that. They've read plenty of books and plays and monologues throughout the years to be able to know that they are. They are acting this way, but living it and knowing it in a real way is something that they hadn't done. So this part that they're writing is something that they're experiencing as well, where they haven't lived it, but they are trying to experience it through the writing and making this scene happen. Does that make any sense?

Speaker 1 11:49

No, it makes 100% sense. Still, the fact they're able to write.

Speaker 3 11:53

that is incredible. I wasn't even thinking about that, like I said, and you bringing that up, just like I didn't think about how young they had to be to write those scenes, Even at that young age, to have that understanding of how Sean should talk to Will and Will. So at a young age they got it.

Speaker 1 12:13

Yeah and true. With this and I can't put my finger on every one, but there's with Robin Williams it always seems like you're going to get a certain amount of ad lib. The scene where he talks about his wife farting, that wasn't in the script he came up with that on the fly, but it fits so perfect We'll get to it at the end.

Speaker 1 12:40

but the famous last line of the movie he ad lipped and again it's like he had such an understanding of the character and it's done. The movie's made so well, the acting's so good, that you just take for granted. When you hear these lines and when I read that one and you said it, it opened it up for you you just kind of get lost in the fact that. Oh, this is Sean McGuire talking. It's wise advice, but the words are coming from Damon and Affleck at 20-some years old.

Speaker 2 13:19

Yeah, I think that's the reason why people thought that the conspiracy theory is that William Goldman wrote this and that they put their name on it Because it was in his hands at one point. And I think that William Goldman made one remark or one joke in a book that he wrote, and then he said that it was a joke, it was off-handed thing, but he didn't have anything to do with it, and he said that he couldn't write something like that. So there is that theory of how could these young guys be able to write such beautiful characters and still not be able to live those lives yet?

Speaker 1 14:02

Yeah, I mean, it's some deep stuff that they talk about throughout, but we've been able to see in their career.

Speaker 2 14:15

I mean, Ben Affleck is an Oscar-winning director and been able to do these things, and Damon, I mean he's done some pretty good roles as well. But to have those original thoughts, to be able to write those out, that's a different muscle to be able to flex.

Speaker 1 14:33

Yeah, yeah, it's like lightning in a bottle this movie, especially this early on just absolutely great.

Speaker 1 14:46

And, like I said, we talked a little bit earlier about the different quotes and how quotes from movies can be the off-handed one-liners that we throw out day to day. But the one that I just read, and then there's just so many quotes in here or scenes that just you know, just absolutely just grab a hold of you and take you right back into the movie. If you've seen it and it meant something to you, you know exactly where those scenes were and you know so again, to be able to write from the perspective of the therapist, the psychologist, that or psychiatrist that went ahead and I guess psychologist more you know that had lived a full life, not that he was ready to die or anything, but had lived a marriage, lost his wife, fought in a war, had all these things go on in his life to write that guy. To go ahead and write the student from England that comes down, to write the guys that are laborers, that are his good friends and they're perfectly fine with it.

Speaker 3 16:13

So Andy talks about the writing and the maturity it took Jake, from a cinematic point of view or a scene set up it. Was there anything you picked up on that you thought was unique to the film that stood out to you? I know we've talked about before that the slow-mo fight scene and what that added with Carmine when they did that scene but is there anything else that stood out to you?

Speaker 2 16:42

Yeah, there was. I mean, that's obviously a classic one that I think you said earlier that they shot in both regular speed and in slow-mo and had them acted out in slow-motion and regular speed. So I mean they were really messing with the time in that, and I think the overall look of it and the cinematography of it was something that put you in a place and was able to capture Boston in a way that I don't know because I haven't been there. But I see it in this way and that's how I picture Boston, the way that they captured it, the way that he was taking the train at night, alone on the train. He was the only one on there, but he's going through this to try to be able to get there. So that gives you a mindset and a space reality in the film itself, and so I think the cinematography is a great way of being able to put you in that place and some of the mise-en-scene.

Bromances and Movie Soundtracks

Speaker 2 17:44

That's in some of the scenes, where one of my favorite is when he gets choked and you see the book on there. It says I'm okay, you're okay Right over his left shoulder. You can see that with Will when he's getting his neck choked, and so that could go with a bunch of different ways in the psychology of it, where this is normally how he has authority figures express their power over Will and he's okay with it, and so that could be a way of interpreting it. And there's another way that he's in a position that he's not okay and he has to leave the situation and not be physical with somebody like that. But when it comes to also with the sound that we haven't even brought up, like Elliot Smith's music that was put in there for Miss Misery that was up for an Oscar, and Danny Elfman with the score that came in there and really laid a mood into the film that there wasn't too many upbeat songs or putting things in a different way. So I think the score had a big effect on that as well.

Speaker 3 18:57

We can maybe hit it at the end, but I'll bring it up now to curious if you guys know what the last song of the movie was.

Speaker 2 19:07

Afternoon Delight.

Speaker 1 19:13

God damn it. You know it's funny. Is there anybody else who doesn't associate that with this movie, but a different one?

Speaker 2 19:22

Yeah, Anchorman 100%. There's also a scene in Arrested Development that has Afternoon Delight in it, or do you remember that one when they do karaoke and Jason Bateman and maybe get up there and try to start a party he's singing with?

Speaker 3 19:41

his niece, yeah. And then, oh, portia I don't remember her character, but Ellen's wife, portia Derossi. Yeah, they're singing with Michael Cera, they're singing after him. They're like, oh yeah, this doesn't really go real well.

Speaker 2 19:58

There's also PCU, yeah.

Speaker 3 20:00

PCU. They lock people in there and play that song you sound like you've got mental problems, man. Dang it. I thought I'd stump you guys on that one. I got it by Andy yeah, you did, but you stuck it through and I was like I'm watching it because I forget where the remote was. I couldn't find him. I let it play through and I was like boy, they're really going to stick this all the way out. They played the entire song.

Speaker 2 20:25

Yeah, that was a long shot too that they were showing him driving the whole way.

Speaker 3 20:30

Which was comedic, because he's earlier on, yeah he's going to see about this girl Going to find my baby.

Speaker 2 20:38

Yeah, yeah, they played the whole song. And it works with that too. Yeah, because he wants some afternoon delight.

Speaker 3 20:47

And I thought it was funny because the movie itself, you wouldn't describe it as a comedy, even though there's obviously plenty of parts in there. So just to have the comedic relief at the end. Yeah, a little nod and a wink. Yeah, exactly yeah.

Speaker 2 21:00

Pretty nice. This movie made me think about some bromance because of Matt and Ben. This really blew them up in their career and they've made a few movies together and I thought this was something that was pretty interesting. Are there any romances out there that you guys, when it comes to you, want to see Matt and Ben do another movie? I would love to see Will and Chuckie doing something right now, 25 years later, to see where they're at, or them being in that last duel, or being in Mallrats and the Kevin Smith universe, the Views Q. It made me think about some of the other great bromances that are out there where it's the two guys that are together. You would love to see more movies of them, and one that first comes up to mind is like Paul Newman and Robert Redford doing both Cassidy and Sundance Kid and also the Sting. Yeah, it would have been great for them to make more of those. Do you guys have any of those?

Speaker 1 22:07

I don't know if it's considered a. You know how much of a bromance it is. I don't know what the rules are.

Speaker 3 22:16

I thought she'd be f-cash-ticking.

Speaker 1 22:20

Thank you, Jake, what the rules are on it. But you know, and, Jake, you're going to be 100% on board with this one. Decaprio and Ed Pitt I want to see something else with those guys. Oh, that was incredible yeah.

Speaker 2 22:38

I love watching those guys hang out together and that movie once upon a time in Hollywood is I admitted that that's my number two Quentin movie behind Paul Feiglin.

Speaker 3 22:50

I'd say we could do a podcast on that, but nobody'd get a word in. Jake would just talk for seven hours. How many times have you seen that movie now?

Speaker 2 22:57

I've seen it over 30 times now. I saw it 15 times in the theater Holy smokes. Yeah, I saw it a couple of times with QT himself.

Speaker 1 23:10

So that was pretty nice. Oh, we're not even Quentin Tarantino, we are QT.

Speaker 3 23:15

QT, that's your bromance. There it is.

Speaker 1 23:18

Yeah, I want to see the Jake and QT.

Speaker 3 23:22

Were you able to ask him a question?

Speaker 2 23:25

No, I was not. It was before the movie, so it was just an intro, and then afterwards it had a couple of moderators in it, so they had other people. Curtis Hansen, I think, was a moderator on one of them that was asking them questions.

Speaker 1 23:46

You should have got your feet out. I was not. What's that? You should have got your feet out.

Speaker 2 23:52

Yeah, I should have, but there's only one film left to be able to watch. He's got a new book coming out November 1st.

Speaker 1 24:01

Oh yeah, what's it about?

Speaker 2 24:03

They're doing. It's talking about cinema. I haven't seen it, but they're doing at his theater in New Beverly. They're doing a book release party.

Speaker 1 24:16

What.

Speaker 2 24:17

I'm going to see if.

Speaker 1 24:18

I can make it what, any hints or anything about what that last movie might be Kill Bill 3.

Speaker 2 24:27

Kill Bill 3.

Speaker 3 24:28

More blood? I don't know.

Speaker 2 24:31

More blood. Yeah yeah, the talk is Zendaya, as what's her name, vivica Fox, her daughter and Maya Hawk Uma.

Speaker 1 24:47

Thurman's daughter.

Speaker 2 24:48

How about that? She would be fighting it out. Yeah, that'd be great. I'd love to have that as the ending chapter.

Speaker 1 24:56

Yeah, I don't think it would be. I mean, one thing that we can all agree on here is that, you know, segueing back into Goodwill hunting is there was very little blood in Goodwill hunting Family oriented Very, or oriented yeah, filming, yeah, so yeah, they did that for you, buddy.

Speaker 2 25:19

So shout out to Ort and the limit of the blood on the Goodwill hunting set.

Speaker 3 25:23

I'm just saying say so, say the, you know seeing where they get into the brawl, you know. Say that just there's just blood spurt, and all over the place She'd be like eh, it's two different moments.

Speaker 2 25:35

What are you talking about?

Speaker 3 25:36

I'm just saying it wasn't in there and it was fabulous.

Speaker 2 25:41

Yeah Well, you didn't understand why it was in the other end kill bill.

Speaker 3 25:46

Those sorts can't be the whole point of it.

Speaker 2 25:50

I mean you haven't seen Lady Snow Snowblood, have you? Because that was an homage of what she was doing and a lot of those films were blood ridiculously pouring out, shooting out, gushing out.

Speaker 1 26:04

So is it like you said?

Speaker 2 26:06

oh my, over the top for a reason.

Speaker 1 26:08

Yeah, just like you know, Jackie Brown was an homage, the whole movie, to those.

Speaker 2 26:15

BlacksPlayStation. Yep, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 26:18

But I digress the uh, we digress. Okay, we do.

Speaker 2 26:24

I'll jump on that.

Speaker 1 26:25

Okay.

Speaker 2 26:27

Uh, was there? Was there anybody else that? Or what do you got for bromance? Who's like? You brought up somebody, didn't you?

Speaker 3 26:34

Well, as far as uh like comedy, I thought uh, will Ferrell and John C Reilly have done pretty good together with oh yeah, talladega and stepbrothers. Yeah, just great, yeah, comedic films. Yeah, no, that's right, they're just so good together, those guys work, work very well together.

Speaker 1 26:55

I'll tell you one that I'm I'm excited about seeing oh, let's hear about that. Uh, ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman. Deadpool three oh the way they. They go back and forth on Twitter all the time.

Speaker 2 27:11

Yeah.

Speaker 1 27:12

With stuff that should be, should be fantastic.

Speaker 2 27:15

So has Hugh Jackman been in the other two? No, he hasn't been in right, brad Pitt was in one.

Speaker 1 27:21

Um, yeah, yep, Yep, for for about six seconds.

Speaker 3 27:27

Yep, yeah, that was so good.

Speaker 1 27:30

Yeah.

Speaker 2 27:32

Uh, yeah, no, I'm looking forward to that. Eddie Murphy and Martin Lawrence, and that's a good, good one. I had a having two people together. Life we talked about life earlier. Underrated movie.

Speaker 1 27:45

Highly underrated yeah.

Speaker 3 27:47

Oh, that whole cast in there. What was that?

Speaker 2 27:51

Chris.

Speaker 3 27:51

Rack and Murphy.

Speaker 2 27:53

Martin Lawrence was one of his friends oh that's right.

Speaker 3 27:56

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 28:00

I would like to see them do some more.

Speaker 1 28:03

Let's see.

Speaker 2 28:06

Maybe Clooney and Pitt. You guys uh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 28:10

Yeah. I enjoyed all the uh oceans movies. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 28:16

Yeah, yeah, yeah they were.

Speaker 1 28:22

I like the.

Speaker 2 28:23

Oceans. Yeah, is there anything else that they were in.

Speaker 1 28:27

Let's see.

Speaker 2 28:29

Did they burn after?

Speaker 3 28:30

reading Was that.

Speaker 2 28:31

Yeah, that's what it was.

Speaker 1 28:33

Yeah, chad.

Speaker 2 28:36

He thinks that's a who else is that Malkovich? Yeah yeah, that was an underrated Cohen brothers movie.

Speaker 1 28:48

That's stupid Look right before he gets his head blown off in the closet.

Speaker 2 28:51

Oh my gosh. Yeah, that's a good one, yeah, yeah, I just thought that. No, it's a good question. Good question Because this was a budding one that we didn't know that was going to blow up as much as it did. And, yeah, it's great. Did you guys get a chance to see the last dual the movie that they did last year?

Speaker 1 29:13

No, I, a woman I work with, brought it up and told me it was a completely different film than she thought it would be.

Speaker 2 29:24

It's not good In a positive way or a negative way.

Speaker 1 29:26

No, it just just completely different, yeah, you know, than what she expected.

Speaker 2 29:33

Yeah, it's a, it's a period piece and it has an aspect of like three different stories, exactly.

Speaker 1 29:40

From three different points of view.

Speaker 2 29:43

Three there is the same story from three different points of view. Yes, yes, ok, rush them on. Yeah, yeah, no.

Speaker 1 29:52

I'd like to see it. Some ridiculous hairstyles, but I'm OK with that.

Speaker 2 29:57

Full on mullet under that metal armor yeah.

Speaker 1 30:02

No I.

Speaker 2 30:04

But that's the. That's crazy that they chose that to be the follow up to their writing of Goodwill Hunting and write that I mean it's powerful and it's a good, good film, but it's nowhere close to the same kind of feeling and writing that they did and for them to come back, like 20, some years later, to to have that as their follow up.

Speaker 1 30:26

But how many, how many people can pull that off, right? You know? I mean, that's why you hear so much about the one hit wonders, right? Not? Not not comparing this to that, but it's. It's good when, when you debut with something that is so good, it's so hard to go ahead and live up to that, right? I?

Speaker 2 30:46

mean even after all, that it's all life.

Speaker 1 30:49

Yeah, yeah, that's a great point. Excuse me, orson Wells.

Speaker 2 30:54

Orson Wells After Citizen Kane Citizen.

Speaker 1 30:55

Kane, um yeah, yep.

Speaker 2 31:01

A spoiler alert.

Speaker 1 31:05

Yeah, you know you, in terms of like, you know one hit wonder where you were. You know a song is so catchy and whatnot that it's. It's hard for the next song to go ahead and live up to that. One of the people that I would, I can think of Two directors that I think you know have did a great job of being able to maintain what they've, what they're known for, and I mean first, you know, would be, you know from different times, would be one would be Hitchcock.

Speaker 1 31:45

The type of films that he did, and Tarantino, you know you refer. I mean there's very few directors that you talk about. I can't wait to see the next Tarantino film. You know what I mean. People talk about it that way, you know. You don't hear many people say I can't wait for the next, I mean even even night.

Speaker 3 32:05

Shyamalan Right, I mean, he'd been, you know, after that sense yeah.

Speaker 1 32:09

He, he tried to go ahead. Okay, I got to do this. I've got to have this twist in every film I make now, and it's got to be, you know. And so it became. I think it just seemed like it was just trying too hard to capture what.

Speaker 2 32:23

what happened before that was funny that you bring up M night because, on a personal note with with us, you talked about going into Goodwill hunting, not knowing anything about it pretty much, and just watching that it made me think of the first time we saw the village. We went and seen that after the sixth sense, which it's. It's a pretty good movie now, but at the time we didn't get the sixth sense part two, basically, and we were not happy about it. And we ducked into a movie theater and saw the Royal Tenenbombs for the first time, not knowing anything about it, and sat in on that and had a hell of a time. That's still one of our favorite movies, to quote to each other. Yep, and that was dipping in on another theater, another film, because we were pissed off. This movie sucked so bad.

Speaker 1 33:19

Yeah, I'll tell you what that is. That's a director there, that that and writer director. That is either hit or miss for a ton of people.

Speaker 2 33:32

Yeah.

Speaker 1 33:32

You know, like Royal Tenenbombs, I'll watch that whenever, whenever.

Speaker 2 33:37

I see it.

Speaker 1 33:39

You know I don't see it on like I see the Godfather on, and rightly so. But you know, anytime I do, I that's. It's an. It's Wes Anderson. His films are acquired taste. They can be.

Speaker 2 33:51

But yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 33:52

Gene Hackman is just so great in that movie. Yeah, I mean it's just the interaction between everybody. You know Owen Wilson's Owen Wilson, but yeah, you know, I mean Gene Hackman plays a completely different character, ben Stiller in that yeah.

Speaker 2 34:11

Yeah, there's a, there's a tie. You bring up Gene Hackman. It made me think of Good Will Hunting, and one of the things that they thought and inspired was Robin Williams, when he walked away from the bench and he said you're moved, chief. That was they wanted the feeling of Gene Hackman when he's talking to Jimmy about coming onto the, onto the game for Hoosiers, onto the team, and they when he left him after that. That's what they wanted to feel after that.

Speaker 1 34:44

Mission accomplished.

Speaker 2 34:46

Yes, yeah, it's like you're moved, chief, yeah.

Speaker 3 34:49

Same thing with Gene Hackman. That was a tone setter for sure.

Speaker 2 34:52

Yeah, wow. I didn't know that. Yeah, yeah. So Gene's not known for doing comedy, so for him to do the Royal Tone.

Speaker 3 35:00

Bomb? No, that's what I mean it was. It was so good. He was solid in that too.

Speaker 2 35:05

Yeah, it makes me wish that he did more comedies, because he did get shorty after that or was it after that or before that? But get shorty and Royal Tone Bomb's in about the same same tight and period. And if he was doing some comedies when he was younger you probably do some killer things that would have been great.

Speaker 3 35:23

Hey, just in that realm of that kind of comedy, Andy, have you ever seen bottle rockets? Is that Wes Anderson Jake.

Speaker 2 35:33

Yeah, that's what's interesting. That was the first one, yeah.

Speaker 3 35:35

With both Wilson brothers and that's underrated because that's good stuff and he's a lot of those same actors.

Speaker 1 35:42

Yeah, he uses a lot of the same actors. You know, Bill Murray almost always shows up in a Wes Anderson film.

Speaker 3 35:49

Yeah, and when we talk about all the time. Fantastic, mr Fox we need to break that down one day, because that's, that's, that's just genius comedy.

Speaker 1 35:59

It really is. I think it's on Disney Plus.

Speaker 2 36:02

That sounds right, yeah, I think it is.

Speaker 1 36:04

I think they acquired it.

Speaker 3 36:05

Yeah, you got Clooney in there. The stripper Bill Murray yeah.

Speaker 2 36:09

The stripper.

Speaker 3 36:12

Oh, that's good stuff.

Speaker 2 36:13

Willem Defoe or it's favorite.

Speaker 3 36:16

Hate that guy.

Speaker 1 36:17

He's pretty creepy Yep he and.

Speaker 3 36:18

Donald Sutherland.

Speaker 1 36:20

That kid in Halloween ends tonight looked a little like Willem.

Speaker 2 36:22

Defoe. I like that guy yeah.

Speaker 3 36:23

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah it was a fan, but yeah. So Good Will Hunting made a way back there. So what's your favorite favorite scene or favorite moment?

Speaker 2 36:42

Well, I got to say, my favorite scene a hand is the bar scene, when he talks about Gordon Wood and just seeing that and him straight up owning that dude with his intellect. But then after that he has the good gracious. If we still have a problem, we can go outside and he can whoop his ass. You know it's completely owning that dude.

Speaker 1 37:02

Yeah, my boy is wicked smart.

Speaker 2 37:05

Yeah, always wicked smart. Yeah, so that would be mine. What about you guys?

Speaker 3 37:12

You know we were talking all that between Sean and Will. Um, two, two things. One, when Will's talking about to Skylar about all his brothers, he names off like 10 brothers or whatever.

Speaker 2 37:27

Yeah.

Speaker 3 37:28

And then next time they're with Chucky, skylar's like he's trying to borrow their car from Chucky and he's like I get out of here. He finally does and she's like but I want to meet your brothers and and Chucky just gives a look like of disappointment that he knows that Will's not being his true self to this girl that he likes. And just that that little look of disappointment. And then again at the construction site where he breaks down to him you know, you're smart, we're not. You're sitting on a winning lottery ticket. If you're still here, then you're going to. You know you're going to let yourself down. He's like well, I don't care about that. He's like well, then do it for me.

Speaker 1 38:10

You know you don't, you don't know to you, so you owe it to me.

Speaker 3 38:14

You owe it to me. Yeah, it'd be better than this. Not that there was anything wrong, but he's just like you've got something, use it. So I think the therapy of that friendship, of him, just being close to him, like that I think I think combination of those two scenes, of that relationship, or something I really appreciated about the movie.

Speaker 1 38:36

Yeah, that's you know. I'll go with a different one, because that's one of my favorites too. Is that that scene? You know? When, you know when, when Chuck, he's talking to him and he says you know what the best part of my day is? He says for about 10 seconds from when I pull up to that curb and when I get to your door, because I think maybe I'll knock on the door and you won't be there. Yeah, fantastic.

Speaker 3 39:00

Yeah, Love that. Yeah, and I hate to be a I don't say spoiler, but I and rewatching that movie is 25 years old, you're okay.

Speaker 2 39:11

We've gone over it all.

Speaker 3 39:12

I'm about to give some therapy here to.

Speaker 1 39:14

Andy specifically choking him.

Speaker 2 39:19

I'm not even going to charge you.

Impactful Movie Moments and Personal Reflections

Speaker 3 39:20

It'll be a free session, how about that? But so love that line, loved it, and. But they pull up at the end of the movie. They'd already given him the car and he's going up to the door like he should be there. Well, the car's not there. You know, they pulled up to the back. Yeah, whatever, didn't like it.

Speaker 1 39:40

You like the Chucky and the small suit, but you miss, you hate that scene. Yeah, what are you?

Speaker 2 39:46

doing. You didn't like him because of the logistics of it.

Speaker 3 39:49

I'm just saying I questioned it. Who invited him it pulled me out of this scene. We talk all the time. If it's something, a little something, that pulls you, I just questioned it. I'm not saying I hate the movie because is it a conspiracy theory? You just want to label everything as conspiracy that you don't agree with.

Speaker 2 40:11

Um, you know was there any any um parts that got you this time like hit you in the feels? Was there any times that you guys I don't know about you guys, but I definitely well up all the time. So, there is a crying yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 40:27

Yeah, 100%.

Speaker 2 40:30

Yeah, what would?

Speaker 3 40:32

I mean, you are a cry still happen. Oh, yeah, yeah, every time, yeah, yeah, what was it for you guys?

Speaker 2 40:38

Which scenes?

Speaker 3 40:39

Oh you know, it's not your fault. Man, that gets everybody every time. Yeah that's.

Speaker 1 40:44

That's a good one, I think. Um, one for me is um, that, uh, when, when Sean and Will are talking, and it's a speech about, um, oh, you know, sean asks if, if he's going to see, uh, will, will tells him that he's he met a girl and Sean asks if he's going to see her again. And and you know I'm reading here from the script because I had it pulled up but it says Will tells him um, let's see, you know, he's describing her as smart and beautiful. And Sean says so, christ, call her up. And he said why? So I can realize that she's not so smart, that she's boring. You don't get it right now. She's perfect. I don't want to ruin that. And then, you know, sean goes through and there's a line where he says um, he says you're not perfect. And let me save you the suspense this girl you met, is it either?

Speaker 2 41:42

love.

Speaker 2 41:42

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's, that's a great one, that it really hits home, um, and when it comes to some of the other scenes that hit home for me, this was an extremely personal for me, um, because I I was perfectly happy with living in Fort Wayne, but after watching this movie, um, I oddly enough, identified with Will and moved away to go to film school, um, based off both um Pulp Fiction and trying to do something like that, but also this movie giving me the courage to do something like that, because, looking at myself and where I would be, uh, would be, I wouldn't want to be what Chucky described in that.

Speaker 2 42:32

And so that was one of the things that I always had those desires and wants to do something in Hollywood. And if I didn't do anything about it, uh, you know, just like Chucky said, you know I'm going to wake up tomorrow and I'm going to be 50 and I'm fine with that, but I I felt that if I woke up 50, when I was 50, I would not be fine with it. So this movie really helped me, push things into place and get me to to go and try to either see about a girl or do some of the things that Sean was saying on the bench about living life and experiencing things, to try to to to enjoy those things and not just reading it in a book.

Impact of Good Will Hunting Discussion

Speaker 1 43:14

Yeah, yeah, and that's that's what I mean. You know, I think with, with a movie like this you know we've all explained different things. I named one of my daughters after one of the characters. Um, you know, you got that out of it. You know, or with, you know what he's taken away when he's talking about. You know how he sees something different than either one of us are seeing, even in in just little details of the film itself.

Speaker 1 43:41

Um, you know, with, with that carb being there, that never occurred to me, that that it, you know, wasn't there. And you know how would he not know that? Um, you know it. It can be so many different things. I mean, obviously you don't.

Speaker 1 43:58

Um, I just don't think I've met anybody who's seen the film that didn't have some kind of of um, you know, kind of a personal buy-in to the story in one way or another, or or a character. You know, is it everybody's favorite film? Probably not, but at the same time, if there's something in there that you can identify it, I think it's one of those movies that you just that will, that will stay with you, you know. I mean everybody can identify with having, you know really good friends that you know you're perfectly content to go ahead and you know um sit down for four hours at a at a restaurant or a bar and just sit there and drink and talk and eat you know, Um, you know that it's perfectly fine to do that, to kill a night that way, to go ahead and and have, you know, demons that you know we all wrestle.

Speaker 1 44:55

Some of them are smaller than others, but you know it's. You know, I think it speaks to to people that way that you know, put up these defenses in in one way or another, whether it be in a, a relationship, um, maybe with a, a significant other, with, uh, you know that that are struggling with some, you know, depression or anxiety issues. There's something in there that I think can speak to probably 90% of the population, things that are that are relative, not not genius level IQs, which you know. Strangely enough, I didn't revisit the trailer for this film, but I mean it is such, a, um, a minor part of the story. You know the IQ.

Speaker 1 45:38

I'm sure they hit that real quick in in a trailer if they were doing it, but you know, I mean him being it's ironic because he's so smart, but it shows just how much even you know he doesn't know, you know about life, and that's that's what they they keep hitting there. I think it was smart that they went ahead and had Skyler cast as being from another country. You know that just brings another angle of of something that that he doesn't know and um it wasn't supposed to be that way.

Speaker 1 46:14

And what was it?

Speaker 2 46:15

What was it? Well, they didn't, they definitely didn't write it that way. And many driver they didn't think that. Some people thought that she wasn't pretty enough for that role, and they wanted her to see anybody else in that role.

Speaker 3 46:25

Really I'm not dogging her performance, but I didn't think it was anything extraordinary.

Speaker 1 46:31

No, in in her role. I couldn't have seen anybody different yeah.

Speaker 2 46:37

I thought it was. I mean, I loved her performance in that and instantly made me, I mean, change the way that I was dating people was based off of some of the, the things that she was doing in that, so, um, and, and the way that she treated that, that scene about him coming out with the truth, and how she approached that and that, the way that she she did that the crying it was so emotional and she crumpled, and that didn't crush you. That breaks me every time.

Speaker 2 47:11

That's another thing that he was able just to look her in the eye and say I don't love you. Oh, that is just crushing. And so for for her to come in there, they tried to get her to do like an American and an accent and it wasn't. I don't think it was working very well. So they just went with that and with them, with her going to Harvard. I mean, they didn't have to explain it, explain anything to that, because it's such a diverse, um uh, university.

Speaker 1 47:40

Yeah, I think it worked well.

Speaker 3 47:42

I did have to. Uh, uh, I made a note. Um, when he calls her, um, after what you're talking about, he had told her she he didn't love her. But then he calls her later and she says it again and he gets his little bit of a smile, but he can't say it back and he just says basically, okay, goodbye. But I love that she says it one more time and he gets his little smile on his face and then just to acknowledge that he needed that, you know, or that he had that I think Sean had challenged him on that about you know, have you ever been in love? And she's telling him and he gets that little bit of smile Again, defenses go down a little bit, but he couldn't say it back and had to let her go there. But I thought that was pretty powerful.

Speaker 2 48:39

That could be a situation where, with him trying to test people's loyalty and with Sean saying it's not your fault, you know, you just pass it off. So with her saying, you know, I love you. And then for him to destroy her like that and for her to still say that after something like that is just showing him that she is loyal to be able to do that again. So the multiple times of people showing something like that is what really breaks through his armor and his defense mechanisms.

Speaker 3 49:14

And we'd be remiss if we didn't at least mention where Sean was talking about how he met his wife and missed the Red Sox World Series game. Pudges home run yeah.

Speaker 2 49:28

That's the thing. There's so many good scenes in here that it's hard to just say that we have one favorite or another. To be able to do that, I was watching at this week and I just wish that I could be as good a storyteller as Robin Williams and something like that, where you completely forget everything that he had already told him. He told him is like and I know I wasn't at the game, I wasn't there.

Speaker 2 49:54

It's like it's so good and the way, the way that they shot it overhead to show, to represent like a baseball field with the four bases and then running around the bases, was that's one of those things, that's next level when it comes to a film and cinematic uses was something like that, did you guys? You guys notice that right?

Speaker 1 50:16

Obviously. Yeah, when they were talking. Yeah, that was it. You know it just goes on and on with it with a $10 million budget to be able I don't know if there's a film out there that got as much out of $10 million and I say 10 million dollars like it's 10 bucks. But you know for a film, you know, I mean it's, it's not a lot.

Speaker 3 50:37

You could make that film today and it would be as impactful.

Speaker 1 50:43

Yeah, if it were made today, not remade, but if it were made for the first time. I mean story wise, yes, you know, is it a case, though is is a movie as good with different actors.

Speaker 2 50:59

Well, I think it would be great, obviously because we we know it for what it is and the impact it had on us at that time.

Speaker 2 51:07

But I I think that it would be harder for something like that to be able to make waves as big as Good Will Hunting did at the time because of the distribution of films. There was only a certain amount of films and now all the outlets that we have, we had like two, we had studio movies and independent films and that was it. And now we have Netflix, we have Amazon Prime, we have all these other outlets and there's some great movies that are being put out there. But it's so saturated right now with everybody having their own filming, like the criterion channel and those those channels that are everywhere else. Sorry, but there's not just coming out with studio films that there's Netflix original, there's Prime original, there's Hulu original, all these things. So a lot of these little or smaller 10 million films that have been put out there just get washed away because of the size of everything else and the amount of things that are out there.

Speaker 1 52:09

Yeah, to a point I agree, but you know you do have one of the the. The other side of that is when Kota won Best Picture. You know the.

Speaker 2 52:25

Apple TV yeah.

Speaker 1 52:26

Yeah, you know, I mean I. I would bet that budget was probably negligible as well and probably wouldn't you know. I mean without Apple TV or streaming services. Does it get made? I don't know, Maybe yeah.

Speaker 3 52:41

Maybe not, but a good, a good movie or good story, I think, is going to get seen. Yeah, there's a lot of different ways to watch things now, but I think if it's good enough it'll get. That's what I'm saying. I think it would have been good enough that it would have been.

Speaker 1 52:55

The story holds up. I'll give you that yeah. But, you know, I mean, it's one of those ones where you know, I mean, if it came out today, you know who, honestly as good as everybody was and maybe this is just you know partiality would be. I just don't know if I could see anybody else in that Robin Williams role. Yeah, I mean, I could probably as much as I like Ben Affleck and Matt Damon in their roles if they were switched out.

Speaker 2 53:33

Yeah, leo and Brad yeah.

Speaker 1 53:36

Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 53:38

No, that was the casting at the time.

Speaker 1 53:40

Yeah, I mean age appropriate, yeah.

Speaker 2 53:43

Leo Brad and Morgan Freeman. That was what they were wanting.

Speaker 1 53:50

But see, you know, I just don't. I mean, and don't get me wrong, Morgan Freeman's red is one of the great characters ever.

Speaker 2 53:58

Yeah, shawshank, shawshank.

Speaker 1 53:59

Yeah, but you know, just in this, I guess it'd be the same thing with Robin Williams as red and Shawshank, you know? I mean I just I don't see it.

Speaker 2 54:10

You know that's.

Speaker 1 54:11

Morgan. You know that's Morgan Freeman, you know it. Just it's that. But you know the Andy Dufresne role. If he got switched out, I could buy that easier than I could. Is that weird?

Speaker 2 54:22

No, I think that's normal. I mean, that's what that's a great thing about interchangeable cast and how some, some people are cast in there and you. It's just one of those roles that you can't see anybody else because they've done it so well there. We had that instance with the Joker when it came to. Jack Nichols didn't do on that and everybody was like, when Heath Ledger came out, that it wasn't he was doing. That was like why we had the quintessential best Joker ever. And then Heath Ledger does that and it's like, oh my God, that's the best character ever. And then the Joker came out. And then Joaquin Phoenix does another fantastic job of that.

Speaker 2 55:06

Yeah, that's that's things very classic, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 55:10

Very, very interesting. You know that you bring that up Interpretations Totally.

Speaker 2 55:17

Who, or do you mention something about? Skyler could have been somebody else who would have? Who do you who you have liked in that role?

Speaker 3 55:26

It could be somebody, even if you put somebody in from today or have anybody specific in mind that, like I thought, oh so, and so could have done this better. Again, just in rewatching I just so much of. It was Robin and Matt Damon. You know the heart and soul of that that. You're like. Like you say, you can't see somebody else playing those roles necessarily. But yeah, I don't know the. That performance by many drivers just didn't really hit me. I'm not saying she did bad, I'm not saying that.

Speaker 1 55:59

No, that that's seeing that Jake was talking about. I mean, that was, that was as.

Speaker 2 56:05

As good as seen as any others in there that, that was for me anyway. Right and and also her, and not just having something like that the ability to tell a joke to guys at a bar, and get them all to break up, you know, give us a kiss.

Speaker 2 56:27

That's. That's one of those things that, honestly, that changed like like girlfriend material for me and and how I was going about like dating women. I mean she really affected who I would be looking for would be something similar to this If she's able to tell a good joke or to hang out with my friends was a very important quality for somebody like that to have. Well, you'll have your own Um and beautiful girls.

Speaker 3 56:57

We'll have to break down one down.

Speaker 1 56:59

That's a very good yeah, underrated.

Speaker 2 57:03

Yeah, these, these bringing anything up for you guys, other girlfriends or anything that they would do, that you're like, oh man, wish I had a girl like that. I wish I had a girl.

Speaker 1 57:16

Well, obviously none of them can stand up to my wife, so I was going to say you know I mean it's a character like that in the movies. I mean you know this, but she does she have any of these qualities that some of the people did say that again, Jake, she have any of these qualities and these other women that we're like.

Speaker 2 57:33

Man, this is. This is my Jennifer Lawrence and Silverlinings playbook.

Reflections on Relationships and Favorite Films

Speaker 1 57:40

Um, yeah, she's. She puts up with a lot of stuff that I do, which has made her crazy over the years, and, uh, so that's probably the biggest highlight is the fact that she's still here.

Speaker 3 57:55

Well, I tell you this I know something you've never heard from her. It's not your fault.

Speaker 1 58:01

She's probably not, I said that to you. You know funny enough when it comes to that.

Speaker 2 58:10

Yeah.

Speaker 1 58:11

Our relationship is such that it's an instant defense mechanism that I always go ahead and I never take the blame.

Speaker 2 58:26

Oh, yeah, OK even healthy.

Speaker 1 58:28

Well, it leads to some late night discussions. I don't get to bed as often as I like, but sometimes you got to stick to your guns.

Speaker 3 58:38

And all right you've been married how many years? A lot, ok. A lot of years.

Speaker 1 58:43

I'm waiting for you Well.

Speaker 2 58:46

Around 25. Yep, yep, around 25.

Speaker 1 58:50

No, no, but yeah, I mean it. It takes a, you know, without getting too sentimental. It it takes, you know, with with Colleen and you know, like I said with you know we just instantly again with with Goodwill hunting. It was just like you know, back and forth with our first child. It was like, you know, we had these nameless and had it not been for this film oh, my choice For before this film was Jordan would have been her name for Wow.

Speaker 2 59:29

MJ.

Speaker 1 59:29

Yeah, that would have been her name. I mean yeah it, it was, it was all. But you know, I think I'd gotten Colleen to come around on it because originally you know she was kind of but she was she was coming around on it.

Speaker 1 59:45

And then this film, I swear to God and you know I should bring her down here and and ask her. But it was just like the movie ended and we're just kind of you know one of those things to just kind of looked at each other, you know, and was like what do you think about Skyler? And that, wow, I mean it was. It was almost just like that. We were sat in the movie theater and we decided it right after that as a creditor going down.

Speaker 1 1:00:07

Yeah. So you know she's. She's not one that will go ahead and see a movie 30 times like, like we will, but you know she, she enjoys all types of film and I have dated you know dated people before her that you know I've enjoyed the movies but weren't, you know, as as diverse in what they, you know, go ahead and see. You know she, I have to hand it to her. She will go ahead and probably defer to whatever I want to see most of the time, but you know there's there's there's a good number of times where we might not have seen something. This could have been one. You know, Jake, that now that I think about it, I think it was one that she actually brought up. You know us going to see Holy smokes.

Speaker 2 1:00:58

Wow, this is breaking news guys.

Speaker 3 1:01:00

I would like to get her down here and get her take on things, but she's probably up there drunk, Can't manage the stairs getting down here, because if she's married to you she's got to. You know, probably dealing with things currently up there.

Speaker 1 1:01:12

Yeah, you're, you're right, I'm not the easiest person to to live with, but that's OK.

Speaker 2 1:01:17

Sipping back on grandpa's old cough medicine.

Speaker 3 1:01:20

Give me that booze you punk and pyre get it freak.

Speaker 1 1:01:26

Yeah, I mean there's, there's so many you know if, if I go to you know girlfriend material or more, you know a couple type material I it just it's so tough to go ahead and pick just one, because you see a lot of people that have chemistry on screen and then it's, you know it. It really I think you know somebody you don't see a lot of but I thought have great chemistry on scene. On screen was Julia Roberts and George Clooney.

Speaker 1 1:02:01

I thought, they you know they always come off really believable as kind of you know like, you know like friends, you know like they they genuinely have a care. You know you got these some couples that go ahead on screen and you know, have this over the top romance type of thing, but they actually look when they, you know and I go to the oceans movies specifically but yeah, is like they're having a good time with each other.

Speaker 1 1:02:26

You know, it just seems genuine. So that's that's when I think that that sticks out. That sticks out to me would be would be those two and that that type of situation. Yeah, that's pretty nice.

Speaker 2 1:02:44

Little Jennifer Aniston. She she's pretty good in the breakup girlfriend material.

Speaker 1 1:02:53

Yeah, that that movie is too real, you know? Yeah, I think so that not as real as marriage story.

Speaker 2 1:03:03

Wow.

Speaker 3 1:03:07

Scarlett.

Speaker 1 1:03:07

Johansson and Adam Driver. It's definitely worth a watch.

Speaker 3 1:03:11

Is it? It's worth a?

Speaker 1 1:03:12

watch, but it is like it's not. It's real.

Speaker 2 1:03:16

It's a remake. Did you know that?

Speaker 1 1:03:18

Yeah, I did I. After I watched it, I looked it up. It's really well done from an acting point of view. And you know it's just, it's realistically depressing.

Speaker 3 1:03:30

What was the one with Leonardo and Kate Winslet?

Speaker 2 1:03:33

You thought oh revolutionary.

Speaker 3 1:03:35

Yeah.

Speaker 2 1:03:36

Michael Shannon.

Speaker 3 1:03:37

Yeah, he really can't. I just debuted.

Speaker 2 1:03:40

Yeah, well, not his debut. His first movie was actually Groundhog Day, if you believe that.

Speaker 3 1:03:45

Oh yeah, he was the going to WrestleMania.

Speaker 2 1:03:50

Yeah, that's right Funny.

Speaker 3 1:03:53

I guess maybe not debut, but just that stood out.

Speaker 2 1:03:56

That was his coming out party, though.

Speaker 3 1:03:57

Yeah.

Speaker 2 1:03:58

Yeah, I think he was. He was nominated for an Oscar for that supporting role. Yeah, that was. That was hard one to watch as well. That because we expected Jack and Rose to get back together and find that door.

Speaker 3 1:04:13

But maybe we're coming back for revenge.

Speaker 1 1:04:16

Yeah, it's funny, we were talking about Titanic with that, because yeah, Titanic's hilarious I think we're going to his notes.

Speaker 2 1:04:26

You got some notes on us. I did.

Speaker 3 1:04:28

I made a metal note that it should be a short one you think about If you're trying to be a terrible therapist. I feel like crap that the joke about Titanic was because she was with money, that when the ship landed if they're still together she would have booted him to the curb. I kind of had the same thought after Goodwill hunting like he's driving out to be with Skylar, but you know she's Harvard educated and all this although he's super smart. But they they're just from two different places.

Speaker 1 1:05:02

Yeah, but I think there's a scene in there where she's telling him about that. Why are you so hung up on this money? Oh, you're right.

Speaker 3 1:05:09

I just had just a dark thought that I had in my head just to ruin the film for myself.

Speaker 2 1:05:14

You do it so well, you do it so well. A masochistic film fan, I love this movie too much.

Speaker 1 1:05:21

How can I ruin it?

Speaker 2 1:05:24

I think he would be all right. He gets out there and they don't they don't make it or anything like that and I think he'll be all right. Find something to do.

Speaker 3 1:05:31

Yeah, well, come back to something Code breaking. Yeah, come on back, yeah.

Perfect Movie Endings

Speaker 1 1:05:36

No problem. So you know, with you bringing that up, you know, as a film closes, you know you've got that. Is there a more perfect ending for this movie than what was on film?

Speaker 2 1:05:52

Are you talking like the Robin Williams thing, like some of it stole my line.

Speaker 1 1:05:56

The whole. You know he, you know knock on there he hears somebody at the door. The way it's shot, it's shot down from the street view. You see him up in the window and then, he's looking back down. Could the movie have ended better? Was that perfect? I wouldn't think so.

Speaker 2 1:06:12

That's a perfect ending, for sure. I 100% agree.

Speaker 1 1:06:14

I'm not sure that car is making it all the way out there.

Speaker 3 1:06:18

That's a hell of a drive Going from Boston out to California. It's a long haul and I'm like he didn't have a job. What's he doing for money?

Speaker 1 1:06:28

He got the $200. A Chucky got on retainer.

Speaker 2 1:06:32

That's right. Left it in a glove box. That was his birthday, it's well done.

Speaker 3 1:06:37

The end is nice. You know you get. You get what you want and what you need out of it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 1:06:43

I think it showed, you know, in a very quick way, it showed that it tied up everything. Yeah, it really did with. You know it took that. You know that Will had made progress and healed a lot under you know what Sean had, you know, been teaching him and he took that information and then, you know, he had he decided that he was, you know, gonna, you know go completely against what he, what he had earlier thought, and he was going to go follow the girl, he was going to go and take Chuckie's advice. And you know you've got to get, you got to leave here. You know you're, you know it's a waste of your time to be around here. So he was doing that and Sean was, as well, sean took Will's advice.

Speaker 3 1:07:36

He learned something.

Speaker 1 1:07:39

It did. Everything so perfect. And then you got Robin Williams ad-libbing one of the all-time great lines in film.

Speaker 2 1:07:51

Some of it stole my line, yep.

Speaker 1 1:07:53

I mean just, it's so simple too, Right.

Speaker 2 1:07:56

And he was doing that the filming aspect they were. There was a bunch of people that were out watching them film this and the same thing with the park bench scene. There was like 200, 250 people that were out watching these things happen. And so he he went through a couple of different lines there. I think they said something upwards of like 20 different takes where he would try something else.

Speaker 2 1:08:20

But then as soon as he said that one was all right, we got it and wrapped it after that one, because it was ending on like the perfect note of everybody, like learning and having some kind of growth. And one of the interesting things that they do in the script is after he did the it's not your fault he only addressed him as either Will or son. After that it wasn't chief, it wasn't sport, it wasn't anything else, it was son or Will. And so that father-son relationship it gave him gave Will something that he had never felt before from any of the people that were supposed to be providing that as foster parents or being an orphan. And so he grew those wings and got out of the nest and went and tried to live a life.

Speaker 1 1:09:09

And it it showed that he had. You know, there was a line earlier where he said where Sean had told him that you know, but I believe it was him. But to do that you've got to love. You've got to love something more than you love yourself.

Speaker 2 1:09:24

Yep, and and I've you've had the courage to do that yourself. Sport.

Speaker 1 1:09:30

Yeah, and so you know that just a quick note that he gave him right at the end, you know it showed that that Will had gone from only you know defensively taking care of himself with armor up defenses, completely up and going into and actually you know caring about others, you know going after Skyler and stopping Sky Sean's to you know to leave that. You know that. That little note, you know which I mean? All it said was Sean. If the professor calls about that job, just tell him. Sorry, I have to go see about a girl.

Speaker 3 1:10:04

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 1:10:07

So he gave his favorite people or his best friends, like Sean. He gave him an ending and telling him that what he said to him influenced him, and the same thing with Chucky he gave him exactly what he wanted Yep, no, call no, nothing, nope.

Speaker 1 1:10:23

So, Yep, and that's so great, the way Ben Affleck walks away from there and just shrugs his shoulders.

Speaker 3 1:10:28

Morgan loved it. Morgan did too.

Speaker 1 1:10:31

Oh my God, that was so good. He's like I'm in the front row.

Speaker 3 1:10:34

Yeah, shoulders up right in the front, oh my God, such a great film.

Speaker 1 1:10:39

One of the great things about.

Speaker 2 1:10:40

Morgan in that was he got most of the lines from like Cole Hauser. Cole Hauser like, he gave most of the lines to him because he was like every group of friends has some drunk that doesn't really say much, like the stoic person, but he would be like a dude that would be down for whatever but it doesn't have to say much and everybody knows it around him. Yeah, and so Casey got all these lines and everything. And one of the things that they they brought up was Casey, early on, when he did the Chuck, I had a double burger he called they called this.

Speaker 2 1:11:16

He said that he was going into the deep, into the whammy business. And so the whammy business was what they were trying to do was like when you take a character and you're going really big for it and trying to really play it up, a lot was from press your luck, where you had the big bucks, no whammy's. And so they were going into the whammy business and they didn't want any of the whammy's to do that. But they're going big and if they get a whammy they get a whammy.

Speaker 1 1:11:43

Yeah, no, it was. It was so well done with each of the characters and for an actor to go ahead and give up those you know, some of those lines, I mean that's, that's to the benefit of the story, that's putting the story first, right. And you know watching a show right now, yellowstone Cole Hauser's, and that yeah, yeah, he's made quite the resurgence, yes.

Speaker 1 1:12:10

And it took me it's still. I have to go ahead and look and realize it's him. He's just such a different character. It's well done, though, but he was also in the breakup, yeah.

Speaker 2 1:12:21

What are you going to do? Rest me for being awesome. Speaking of awesome, I mean, you know I think we've covered you know everything that that we could about this film.

Speaker 1 1:12:35

If if you're still listening to this, it is you've either watched the movie or you've watched the movie and, by the fact that you're still listening to us, go on about it. I do have just one more question for either of you, a little mad that Jake got my trivia question right earlier, so revenge. Yeah.

Speaker 3 1:12:54

The afternoon delight. So I'll say who sings afternoon delight.

Speaker 1 1:12:58

See if I can stump you on that one.

Speaker 3 1:13:05

Cause I thought for sure I'd get you on the it is, it's a, it's a it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a.

Speaker 2 1:13:10

It is a starlight. Go ahead.

Speaker 1 1:13:15

It's something star, something ban.

Speaker 3 1:13:17

I'm sorry, that's time. Starland vocal band. Neither of you got it.

Speaker 1 1:13:22

You win. You're the big winner tonight. You just hit a whammy, so so, there, you, I mean is there a better way to go ahead and and and end this with a a strong foundation for for Orts, a mental well being, to then to name him the winner of this episode? Hey?

Speaker 2 1:13:46

Yeah, yeah you, you won it all tonight.

Speaker 1 1:13:49

Good job Ort 400 points to Ort for winning the episode. The inaugural inaugural points awarded on the show.

Speaker 3 1:13:57

We've never awarded points to anyone tonight so.

Speaker 2 1:14:00

Yeah.

Speaker 1 1:14:01

Or at any other point. So yeah, you're the big winner.

Speaker 3 1:14:04

All right, feeling good yeah.

Speaker 1 1:14:07

Hey, gentlemen, I want to thank you guys both for giving up some time to go ahead and discuss a favorite film of ours. It'll be interesting to see when, when we get together and do a film that maybe we aren't all a fan of, or maybe we just get together and and review a film that maybe let's find a film that, okay, everybody seems to love that we don't. Oh, how about that Distrait? Well you know, or or just objectively, objectively say what we don't like about it. I think we would.

Speaker 3 1:14:41

Straight, because we can definitely do some destruction.

Speaker 1 1:14:43

Right. But I mean, let's objectively do it and then destroy it. Okay, that's fair. You're usually a lot more positive than this. It's usually me.

Speaker 2 1:14:52

Blade Runner as mine. That would be the first one that I would be like. Everybody loves it. I don't understand why people love it. Blaved Runner.

Speaker 3 1:15:00

Everybody loves Blade Runner.

Speaker 1 1:15:03

It's a sci-fi, it's always listed near the top of sci-fi lists.

Speaker 2 1:15:07

It sure is. Well, we got another one, so maybe how do you feel about Blade Runner?

Speaker 1 1:15:15

You know I appreciate Blade Runner, but I will admit that I did not. I did not like Sean Kennedy, who's been on the show. It's one of his favorite films.

Speaker 2 1:15:27

Oh is.

Speaker 1 1:15:29

Oh, here we go Get those two together.

Speaker 3 1:15:30

You're mixing oil and water there.

Discussion on Opinions and Updates

Speaker 1 1:15:32

Yeah, I could, I could do that. Did you see 2049? Oh yeah, yeah, did you like 2049?

Speaker 2 1:15:42

No, I just don't the storyline or the look of it, the sci-fi of it, the universe that they developed over it. It just doesn't appeal to me. But I do appreciate the things that they have, the scores that they do, the cinematography, the look of it and things like that. That's fair I just get into the story of it.

Speaker 1 1:16:02

That's fair, All right. Well, stay tuned for us to go ahead and oh man. And put two pit bulls in the ring and we'll just sit back and see what happens. Yeah, can I say that?

Speaker 3 1:16:14

You said it Okay.

Speaker 2 1:16:15

You just did All right. Yeah, it's your house, your podcast.

Speaker 1 1:16:19

That's right, and I got the heater on.

Speaker 2 1:16:21

Yeah, no wolf, no party.

Speaker 1 1:16:26

So, yeah, it happened again. We talked way too long and had to split this episode into two parts, so thanks for listening to the second part of this won't teach you anything's breakdown of goodwill hunting and, as always, you can reach the show via email at this won't teach. At gmailcom, on Twitter or X at this won't teach. Instagram at this underscore won't underscore, teach underscore, you underscore anything. And on Facebook at this won't teach. Now, in addition, we have launched the this won't teach you anything visually YouTube channel and right now, only one video up. Another one will be going up shortly and right now they're covering the episodes of the new Disney plus series a Soka. So really excited about that and I want to thank our listener, justin, for going ahead and leaving that review, sending me an email about it, and we'll be getting a t-shirt out to him ASAP and we will do another t-shirt giveaway here soon, but for right now, you've been listening to. This won't teach you anything.