Nobody’s Talking Podcast

From Panhandlers To Parlays, We Confront Our Gambling Habits And The High-Tech Cheating That’s Warping The Game

• Bosco Pearson, Joe Pogue, Shyrod Long & Steve McBride • Episode 250

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The thrill of a last-leg parlay feels electric—until one tipped interception or missed free throw flips your night. We crack open the psychology of everyday sports betting, from five-dollar fliers to 19-leg heartbreaks, and ask the hard question: where’s the line between entertainment and addiction? Along the way, we poke at the math that shapes the sweat—spreads, plus-money odds, and why quarterback rating feels like a riddle wrapped in algebra.

Then the stakes jump. We pull back the curtain on the shadowy side of private poker: x-ray-enabled tables that read down cards, shuffle machines that can order decks, covert lenses, and off-site “quarterbacks” whispering through earpieces. It’s a full-on heist vibe, but the motives are familiar—ego, boredom, and the pressure to win when everyone’s watching. We break down how legitimate rooms fight back, why surveillance is everywhere, and how tech keeps tilting the field.

The ethics don’t stay in card rooms. A small moment at a stoplight—eating fries while a panhandler passes—turns into a real conversation about dignity, boundaries, and how incentives create behavior. That same systems lens fuels our dive into college sports economics. NIL deals and collectives rewired the game, giving athletes long-overdue leverage but also spawning bidding wars and transfer churn. We talk practical fixes: transparent collective tiers by class year, clean transfer windows tied to coaching changes, and protecting both player choice and team stability.

If you’ve ever sweated two free throws for a rent-sized cashout, wondered whether to give at the light, or debated whether NIL needs a reset, this one’s for you. Hit play, ride the conversation from parlays to poker tech to player pay, and then tell us where you land: cap the chaos or let the market breathe? Subscribe, share with a friend who loves a long shot, and drop a review with your hottest take—we’ll bring the best ones on air.

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SPEAKER_06:

Let's see how much time. Five seconds. Three seconds. One second. Welcome to the Nobody's Talking podcast. We are here. We can't talk uh crazy today because there's no ladies in the house. So Joe will mine his manager this week. We think. You know what? We're gonna talk about sports gambling. Don't say nothing crazy. That's gonna get us. I gotta I'm gonna find out what I'm gonna find out what Mike you are. Don't don't they suing people already, boy. Puff Daddy's one of them cats, they sue some podcasts. And even I'm gonna be like, dog, they got people on the airways.

SPEAKER_05:

And uh I'm surprised they can sue podcasts, though. I know, man.

SPEAKER_06:

No, it is.

SPEAKER_04:

You know, because we're not on radio, right?

SPEAKER_06:

But but I guess they still consider it slander. Or I don't know, whatever.

SPEAKER_02:

But what if we lay, I mean, what if we just label ourselves as comedians? You can say what the fuck you want there, man. Pretty much.

SPEAKER_06:

They can barely get away with it now. Anything Joe says is the thoughts of his. I am removing myself. You can go ahead if you want to.

SPEAKER_02:

I mean the comedians say all kinds of shit. They don't say nothing to them motherfuckers. They're starting to say that to them.

SPEAKER_06:

They don't be saying that. You protect freedom of speech. You're protected by the freedom of speech. Now, anyway, first of all. This is your boy Bosco. Thank you for listening. We appreciate everybody. Shout out to Germany. Singapore. I always say Singapore. Remember, we talked about that before. Oh, go ahead.

SPEAKER_03:

To his left.

SPEAKER_02:

Hey, wait, hold on, we finish the introduction.

SPEAKER_03:

We don't get to you in a second. AKA Shroud. To my left. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

What's up, everybody? This be the one they call Christian, aka Sourpatch Kid. Sitting to my left.

SPEAKER_02:

Why are we sounding like that? Why y'all sounding like that? Because this is a proper podcast, Joseph. Is your name Joe or Joseph? No, my name ain't no damn Joseph. You sure? Yeah, I'm sure. Okay. So it's just Joe. Joseph is like a white dude's name.

SPEAKER_06:

No, I know a lot of black dudes named Joseph. Ain't one. You know, you choose it now. Joseph Walker?

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, there's a bunch of Joseph. Um Joseph C. Lee. Listen, listen. This is one of the only things. See, like, dude, you go.

SPEAKER_06:

So you might as well say Singapore, too.

SPEAKER_02:

Well, hey, I'm I'm Alabama Joe. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06:

Shout out to the Philippines.

SPEAKER_02:

That would be in. Isn't that Thailand? Hey, shout out to Thailand, Big Ray. The Philippines is the Philippines.

SPEAKER_05:

Thailand is Thailand.

SPEAKER_02:

You're right.

SPEAKER_05:

And Superman is in the building.

SPEAKER_04:

Pew. Pew pew pew.

SPEAKER_07:

Hey, do we gotta be careful? Oh, go ahead.

SPEAKER_06:

One more. We got one more. To my left. How come? How come he's the only one that uh did the standing of vegetable? Yeah, collapse. Giant Superman. I know.

SPEAKER_04:

To his left. Welcoming back to the podcast. This is Gerard, second half of the Wonder Twin Powers. Wonder Twin Powers Unite. Go ahead. Hit the button. Hit the button.

unknown:

Boom, boom, boom.

SPEAKER_02:

Hit the button. Unite, man. Activate. Activate. Jesus, H. Hey, get your shit together. Get your shit right, man.

SPEAKER_06:

Hey, what TV shows? Wonderful.

SPEAKER_00:

Power activate. There you go. There you go.

SPEAKER_03:

Form of. Somebody hit the button.

SPEAKER_00:

Boom, boom, boom. Form of.

SPEAKER_02:

Thank you, gorilla. Thank you. And one has to be water. One has to be water. Yes.

SPEAKER_06:

One gets to be an animal and one gets to be water. That's us. I'm a foreign shape with Zion Williamson. Ain't that his name? Or is it Williams?

SPEAKER_04:

He looked good the other night. I think it's Williamson. It's Williamson. He looked good the other night. Proud of the young fella coming back. Damn Victor is good. Shaping healthy. They're playing right now. That's what I'm trying to get.

SPEAKER_06:

I can't get it on. Yama.

SPEAKER_05:

Oh, I can get it on. I get everything on that.

SPEAKER_06:

No, just on NBA on the league pass. We ain't talking to you. I thought about uh mad though. I might get to the league pass. Still mad. You know, Braun is uh kind of teetering down his uh minutes. Hey, hold on, like my favorite player. Jeremiah Fears. Well, Zion, then Jeremiah Fears. They play on the same team, so I'm lucky. Uh-oh.

SPEAKER_04:

There's a clip of Zion dunking over.

SPEAKER_06:

Oh, is that just today?

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, it must be today. It's about to pop up. Oh, snap. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06:

I don't know. The San Antonio was up. Anyway, thank y'all once again. We have all been introduced. We will talk about some gambling. And we'll figure out if Joe's name is Joe or Joseph. Joe, you know you're a fan favorite. You want to bet on it? So it just says, Joe tells us the truth. I want to see some ideas.

SPEAKER_00:

I don't lie, man.

SPEAKER_02:

I want to see some ideas. I don't lie, bro. I want to see your government. I gave it up. I'm bad at it. He said, I gave it up.

SPEAKER_05:

I'm bad at it. Is that right? Everybody ain't good at lying. That's true.

SPEAKER_01:

That's it right there. I gave up lying because I'm bad at it.

SPEAKER_06:

And what what bad what bad sights y'all catch me? I'll put you on after the show. Oh, I'm cool. What site?

SPEAKER_04:

It's not a bad sight, though. It's not bad.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. Said I'll put you on after the show.

SPEAKER_06:

Don't say it. Don't say it on the thing. Joe's just trying to get us. You know the FBI is going around on the city.

SPEAKER_04:

I thought you were talking about something else. At least my sources right now.

SPEAKER_03:

Ice about to knock at the door.

SPEAKER_06:

Hey, they can't get nobody in here. I know. Hey, they ain't shipping to get nobody. But the twin, y'all can light it in.

SPEAKER_03:

I'm the same.

SPEAKER_06:

Not us. Yeah, we all the same country. But we from here.

SPEAKER_02:

Y'all two just lightest.

SPEAKER_06:

So where they gonna where they're gonna take us? Exactly. I'm from here. El Salvador. They're taking you to Kinkakee, nigga. Dominican Republic.

SPEAKER_02:

Nah, I'm from taking you to Africa. They're gonna take you to El Salvador.

SPEAKER_06:

The only place they can take me is back to Ohio.

SPEAKER_02:

They ain't gonna get you nowhere. They're gonna get the twins. They the lightest ones in. Hold on. They look like they from somewhere else.

SPEAKER_03:

Me and Christian and Steve and my brother. Hey, see, you light skill or the darker color. Your hair straight.

SPEAKER_00:

Your hair's straighter than mine. No, it ain't.

SPEAKER_02:

You just gotta be nice.

SPEAKER_00:

You pushing water on my shit, it curl up like a motherfucker. You just gotta perm. This shit a flat knot.

SPEAKER_02:

You said you gotta perm. Hey, what's the score?

SPEAKER_06:

You gotta check it. Hey, watch it. Easy eat. Watch Jeremiah Fields. He's pretty nice with it. So glow.

SPEAKER_07:

So glow.

SPEAKER_06:

How's everybody's week been? Good? It's been good. I'm so glad it's Friday on what everybody's happy. See, we ain't even supposed to be telling people what day we shoot this song, but all the debate. I got it out the bag.

SPEAKER_04:

Listen, I got a serious question though. Okay. Today I was driving. I picked up some food. I was coming back from the East Valley.

SPEAKER_03:

Picked up some food. And you know, you go on your food. What about to the East Valley? Yeah. No, I was coming back from a meeting.

SPEAKER_04:

You should have been in the East Valley. I went and stopped and got some water burger. The What is Bethany Home and I-17.

SPEAKER_06:

Oh, yeah, that's my spot. So my stomping grounds right there. So I was on my way to the crib. I was coming from the East Valley.

SPEAKER_03:

See? Don't listen.

SPEAKER_00:

Hard header. My bad. My bad. Finish you start with it.

SPEAKER_03:

So pick up my food, I'll get in the driveway drive through, get on the freeway, get off on one of the exits, Thunderbird.

SPEAKER_04:

Let's call it Thunderbird. So there's a panhandler at the exit, right? Okay. I'm stopped at the corner where the panhandler is. Am I wrong?

SPEAKER_03:

But when that panhandler came up to my window to ask for money, reaching in my bag and putting some fries in my mouth and taking a drink.

SPEAKER_02:

No, you ain't wrong.

SPEAKER_03:

Is that wrong? I wasn't even looking at it. Wait, what happened? Were you looking at me? You know you have the panhandlers right up there. Yeah. So he came up to my window, walked by my window with the sign talking about, you know, anything helps whatever.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah. Food. So I reached in my bag, grabbed some fries, and I just started eating them. Yeah, I wasn't even looking at them though. But it's it's a natural reaction that I had. Typically, you see somebody.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, but he was right there, and I wasn't even paying attention.

SPEAKER_04:

Most people's reaction, when they see somebody approach their car, they use stiffen up, especially if you got food, water, whatever. You don't want to make it obvious, right? But you made it obvious. So he's basically. So you're saying I'm wrong. I would say you didn't. They said you were trying to be funny. No, I wasn't trying to listen. It was a natural because you every everyone in this he was eating. Everyone on this round table has done that. You pulled up. I haven't. You ain't never pulled up somewhere and reached in your bag and got a home. With a home pick guy looking in the window. Yeah, no, typically I'd refrain from the activity that could be. I had just pulled up.

SPEAKER_00:

I was probably like three cars behind. I didn't even see him at the time. You knew he was there because you were just standing.

SPEAKER_04:

You said I turned around and he like I looked at him and I'm meant fry in my in my mouth. The fact that I was choking, but listen, I was choking on the fry, so I took a drink of my my Dr. Pepper.

unknown:

Wow.

SPEAKER_04:

Is that wrong? You you're trying to be funny right now. Yeah, you're trying to be funny, yes and I'm not sure. No, for real.

SPEAKER_06:

No, yeah, it's wrong. No, seriously. You're trying to be funny. Nah, I won't. Yeah, I'm not doing it.

SPEAKER_02:

You can't make fun of homeless people. Why not?

SPEAKER_06:

Hey, usually when they come out, even if I have food, I'm just like, I'm not sure. Did I tell y'all my story?

SPEAKER_03:

Y'all heard the story, right?

SPEAKER_05:

What if Jesus was a homeless person?

SPEAKER_03:

Since you were used to be homeless? No, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_05:

Just saying. Well, if there was Jesus.

SPEAKER_04:

That's the only way you can get out of this one. I stopped. I stopped giving them money. There's nothing to matter with that. You know why? Did I tell y'all why? Because one bad apple. Multiple bad apples. But I told you why, right?

SPEAKER_05:

Why?

SPEAKER_04:

Please. Because one day I was riding my bike. I had just moved through the valley. I was on a bicycle. I pulled up to an intersection. Okay? Homeless dude. Or panhandler. I don't know if he was homeless. He wasn't homeless. Goes up, you know, cars passing by. One woman gave him$5 or whatever. And it's a black dude. After the cars go by, I'm on my bicycle, sitting there, like, you know, waiting for the light or waiting for my. He comes up to me afterwards. He says, Man, this cracker told me to get a good job. I make about$500 a day and started pulling water money out of his pocket. I swear. I swear. I was like, okay.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, but you can't knock his house a good day to get out of here.

SPEAKER_04:

I'm just saying. What's the next story? What's the next story? You said there were multiple bad hours. It's happened a couple times. Because I asked another dude that was doing the same thing. I said, hey man, how much you really making? He said about three, four hundred dollars a day.

SPEAKER_03:

University of Washington did a study. They sent college kids out there. These kids was making about six, seven hundred dollars a day. Hey, I'm gonna tell you this.

SPEAKER_02:

I don't know. Chinese.

SPEAKER_06:

I will tell you this. Female with kids. Female with kids one time and a dog at I-17 in Greenway. I think I saw a test study. Because I guarantee, I said, there is absolutely no way this chick is homeless. Absolutely no way. I only seen her out there the one time. Did you give her some money? No, I didn't give her anything, but I'm just saying when I saw her sitting there, she had a shopping cart, I said, and if she is homeless, did she have a puppy in the shopping cart?

SPEAKER_03:

She ain't have nothing. It's just her. You're saying her struggles. Listen, I know it's a hustle. Listen. Because I done seen the same woman with the kids at I-17 and Bell. Yeah, they work in shifts. And I seen her at 75th Avenue in Bell. They work in shifts. Oh, you can catch the bus. Yeah. Just dragging her kids around. It's a hustle, bro. I'm not saying all of them do it.

SPEAKER_02:

Well, well, well, yeah, the thing is though, you gotta like look at it like if you can't find that, you gotta make money somehow, though. You know what I mean? Yeah.

SPEAKER_06:

Hey. I understand. It's open for us to do it too. If we want to. I mean, I'll go out there.

SPEAKER_02:

So don't knock me for six months.

SPEAKER_05:

I'm not knocking you for it. Everybody take an hour shift and see how much money we make. Nope. Oh, I ain't gonna make nothing. Give my blood. A little too healthy. It'll be like, oh nigga, you eat good. Hey, you know what? You standing too up.

SPEAKER_04:

You smiling. You smiling too good.

SPEAKER_06:

Hey man, give me two dollars. We're gonna do it for fantasy football, though.

SPEAKER_05:

I came in last place. I need a dollar. No, no, you about to be locked down.

SPEAKER_06:

I saw one cat. He was standing there. He said, I don't want anything. I just came in last place for fantasy football. He was just chilling. I guess he had to stay out there for like five hours. Damn, for five hours.

SPEAKER_04:

God, we don't have a punishment in our league. You need a punishment, right? Nah, we know we lacked out. I can't handle punishment this year because I'm in last place. Fuck y'all. Matter of fact, but you know what? We need to go ahead and put a punishment together.

SPEAKER_05:

I ain't fucking behind you, shit. Oh, yeah, I did just beat you. I might have moved up one spot. I don't know. Fantasy football.

SPEAKER_06:

So it goes back and forth, boy.

SPEAKER_04:

I know. It does. Anyways, that was my serious question for the day. But no, I wasn't trying to be. I know.

SPEAKER_02:

I was just trying to get. I had Herbert.

SPEAKER_06:

I got a serious question. Oh no, go ahead. What you say you had? What?

SPEAKER_02:

I had Justin Herbert last night. Oh, did he have 36 points? No, the motherfucker gave six of them back.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, with the interceptions?

SPEAKER_02:

With the interception and the sack.

unknown:

Damn.

SPEAKER_02:

Damn, you lose points at the sack. Yep. That's not on them, though.

SPEAKER_00:

That's crazy. It went the interception went on him either.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, the interception got tipped. So the bottle started wide.

SPEAKER_04:

I think that would go towards the quarterback anyway. See, I think that rule should be changed.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, just like if they change the heat.

SPEAKER_04:

Well, how many times have you seen a receiver catch the ball or bobble the ball? Kelsey against the Eagles. Yep. Bobble the ball, and next thing you know, it pops out of his hands, and and so what are they going to change it to?

SPEAKER_06:

They just need to change. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04:

Take it to the last one. That would just slow the game down even more.

SPEAKER_03:

No, that's no.

SPEAKER_04:

They just need to take the interception away. Like they shouldn't call that an interception. What is it? The quarterback's rating shouldn't drop. Right, but but then they would have to go back and review the shit just to make sure, blah, blah, blah. All the proper steps. That's easy though, but it still slows the game down.

SPEAKER_06:

But they want to know, like, what would it be called? It's not incomplete because it was intercepted. It's not a drop pass because it was intercepted. And it's not a fumble.

SPEAKER_04:

Receiver caused receiver assistance. So now that's a new receiver. That's a new system. There you go. Yep. Interception. Receiver assistance. Pull it on the receiver, not. So put it on the receiver. Pull up.

SPEAKER_00:

So now Gary Harris to the receiver. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06:

So like a outfield. Drop pass. Or when you go to let me ask you this. Joe, you say you had Herbert in our league?

SPEAKER_04:

My other league. Trust me.

SPEAKER_06:

When Joe talked to us, he always means his other league. He don't ever talk to us. I had Herbert against you, but I set up a lot of people. I'm gonna figure that out already. It should just be a drop.

SPEAKER_05:

Listen, it should be a drop pass. 35-36 is what I count. Drop pass.

SPEAKER_04:

Drop pass.

SPEAKER_05:

Should be a drop pass. Drop pass.

SPEAKER_04:

Drop pass and count towards the shouldn't count towards the quarterback.

SPEAKER_05:

Drop pass interception. Even the ones that go through their hands when they be like this? Yes.

SPEAKER_04:

That drop pass interception?

SPEAKER_06:

You are getting paid. Who has them in our league? I have them in our league.

SPEAKER_04:

But I had them on a bench. I got Dak as my number one. Quarterback is the only position that has a rating, huh?

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, that's unless you're on Madden, you get a rating.

SPEAKER_06:

Hey, I want to know this though. How come they rating just take it to 100% and rate from there? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

Just everybody starts at 100, but then you go down. Or whatever. Yeah, that 100.

SPEAKER_06:

They got the 158.3, 117.

SPEAKER_04:

Perfect quarterback rating, 158. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06:

No, yeah, the perfect is 158.3. I don't even know what now. What's the math that goes into? That's what I was talking about.

SPEAKER_04:

AI.

SPEAKER_05:

AI, I tell you.

SPEAKER_06:

Yeah. X chat GPC if you want to. So there we go, right there. What'd you say, Joe? No, let's not do that.

SPEAKER_05:

That's a good question. Yeah, I'm gonna ask. What goes into it? No, because last time we did, we're gonna ask them now.

SPEAKER_02:

Last time we did, the motherfuckers got us age verification on porn now.

SPEAKER_06:

They might shut the whole goddamn thing down. Hey, they did blame that on you.

SPEAKER_03:

I heard her job was all blended. Oh, in Texas.

SPEAKER_06:

In Texas, you can't even watch porn in Texas. Old Silky is the reason we have age verification to watch porn in Arizona.

SPEAKER_04:

I didn't realize just how much porn I watched until I got age verified. Bro, I've been struggling with that. Christian going through withdrawals exactly. Like low, low Christian. I think I may have had a problem. Yeah. I think so.

SPEAKER_02:

Dang, I already knew I had one shit. I already knew that.

SPEAKER_04:

I'm on the internet looking at shit like. I do. Over here just literally searching TV on Google.

SPEAKER_06:

You might have to give uh you might have to give uh Christian your your alternative method.

SPEAKER_04:

Man.

SPEAKER_06:

Steve ain't been age verified. That's because he's Superman. There you go. All right. I got I got it here right here. Y'all wanna hear it? No. Let's go.

SPEAKER_02:

We don't want to hear shit from you, man. Let me just tell you.

SPEAKER_04:

Listen. Ain't nothing changed in the NFL password. All right? Next week. Next week is gonna change. Breaking news. You're gonna change.

SPEAKER_06:

I'm gonna wait.

SPEAKER_00:

I got that other power.

SPEAKER_04:

I'll be like, ain't nobody mentioned that. Oh damn. Alright, what does it say?

SPEAKER_06:

Alright, hold on.

unknown:

See, I've lost that whole thing.

SPEAKER_02:

I can make car bar numbers.

SPEAKER_06:

Man, them two people said they got their number from AI. So now everybody won it. No, the two people from Texas and Missouri. The last two winners. Yeah. Oh damn, I didn't hear that. Yeah, they said I think they just win lottery numbers for the mega ball.

SPEAKER_04:

All right, here we go. The formula is a completion percentage, the yards per attempt, the touchdowns per attempt, the interceptions per attempt.

SPEAKER_03:

And you have those four, it's pass rating equals that formula. See, I'll lost alright.

SPEAKER_04:

It's a whole formula, bro.

SPEAKER_05:

Man, what's the percentage? Because why do they get to 153%? Yeah, why isn't it just like 100?

SPEAKER_03:

See, I think I might understand it more. It's a whole calculation. See? You need algebra.

SPEAKER_06:

Yeah, see, you need to be algorithms. Uh you need to be at MIT or something.

SPEAKER_05:

Hey, you an engineer, figure that shit out and tell it.

SPEAKER_06:

Hey, listen to this. Speaks the truth. Hey, like over B squared. If they if they would have sat up here and be like, oh, the quarterback's rating is 79% out of 100%. I'm like, okay. Because isn't it just 100 in college? Yeah, see, that's what I say. College is totally different. It's just 100. I don't even know what theirs is. I know it's different. Oh my God. He done pulled something.

SPEAKER_03:

That was in his pocket.

SPEAKER_06:

Man. What we got, Joe?

SPEAKER_04:

Sit down. 1738. What we sponsored by this.

SPEAKER_06:

Man, Joe, you're a cold piece of work.

SPEAKER_04:

That was the big bottle he dropped in his crying. Joe.

SPEAKER_06:

Joe, a cold piece of work.

SPEAKER_04:

That's what he dropped. It was 1738. What the heck? Yep.

SPEAKER_05:

That's why it went to the smoke.

SPEAKER_00:

My bad Joe.

SPEAKER_02:

I brought back bad feelings.

SPEAKER_04:

Come on up there. Performing at halftime. Who's performing? Nelly performing at halftime in the Pelicans.

SPEAKER_06:

Oh, that's Nelly. Okay.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. You singing it's hot in here and then Lee.

SPEAKER_06:

Shout out to the New Orleans Pelicans.

unknown:

Uh-oh.

SPEAKER_06:

Yeah. Who's winning?

SPEAKER_05:

That nigga look hot in that jump scene. Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_06:

That's what he's gonna sing. It's hot in here. Since we kind of got NBA in the background, might as well talk about the elephant in the room. The elephant in the room.

unknown:

What's that?

SPEAKER_05:

Oh, the gambling in the room. Investigation.

SPEAKER_06:

Gambling on sports. Just period. Yeah. You know how who all gamble on sports?

SPEAKER_02:

I got a goddamn. I gamble. I ain't gonna lie. I got a problem. I'm up about 300 days. I can't gamble.

SPEAKER_04:

Wait, so what would you consider a problem? You spending a day.

SPEAKER_01:

I bet every fucking day.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, but are you spending lots of money every day? I mean, you can't.

SPEAKER_05:

I bet every day, too.

SPEAKER_03:

But even if they ain't spending a lot of money, he's still$5 a day.

SPEAKER_05:

That's still a lot of money.

SPEAKER_04:

I look at it like this, right? Because I do gamble all the time. I've lost more than I won.

SPEAKER_02:

Put it that way. That's a problem. Damn, Joe. That is a problem.

unknown:

You got a problem.

SPEAKER_02:

Are you betting long shots? You betting. I'm fucking turning it on. Right now, I'm betting goddamn UCLA beat Indiana.

unknown:

Oh, Lord.

SPEAKER_04:

Okay, yeah, you got a problem. Yeah, he got a problem. Now, I they might cover. I think they'll cover the 25 points. Is the gambling podcast? Hold on.

SPEAKER_03:

You talking about cover?

SPEAKER_02:

What you know about the spreads? No, what I'm saying is I'm a gambler. I don't even understand any of this stuff. It's 16,001. You can't pass that. All right, what is that? Just bet a dollar. Okay, so what did you oh you bet a dollar? Okay.

SPEAKER_04:

You bet a dollar. I would bet$6,000. How much you bet?

SPEAKER_02:

How much did you bet? Oh, I I bet it$10. Oh. Oh, and so with it's not, it's it's it's it's it's plus sixteen hundred. Plus sixteen hundred. So for every dollar you bet, you get it. Nah, they ain't gonna do that.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, it is. It is sixteen. So it's like$160. I parlayed it, so it's like$1,800. Yeah. I just put I just picked some easy wins.$1,800.

SPEAKER_04:

So yeah, I so plus$1,500.$1,600. I bet you$16. Easy math.

SPEAKER_03:

That's$160.

SPEAKER_04:

Plus$160 would be a dollar sixty for every dollar. I don't even understand. And see, I called my man duel last year. I know. Oh then I hit it. Maybe two, three or three.

SPEAKER_02:

I was terrible at it. I don't care what that motherfucker say. My shit came with eighteen hundred dollars. Oh, you but you have other parlays that go out like that. I know, yeah, but they only give you like fucking three dollars. They carry a thousand or something. They guaranteed wins pretty much.

SPEAKER_04:

So I had a so let's talk about this, okay? So like last weekend, I had a five dollar bet. It was plus. Well, they all minus like a thousand. But I had a I had a 19 leg$5 bet uh that was gonna pay me$6,400.

SPEAKER_06:

You said 19 legs. So that's that's what 19 different bets? 19 different things had to hit.

SPEAKER_04:

Okay. I missed one. So you didn't cash out. That wasn't your 13th reason. The reason why I didn't cash out was you fell asleep. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No. So the one I missed was like right in the middle of the parlay. Oh, okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

So but I had an opportunity to cash out at 670. God damn. 670. If I wasn't mad, I mean, if Arizona State wouldn't have come back in a little bit of a big one, but you you but anyways.

SPEAKER_00:

But see, you have a problem too. I do have a problem. Okay then.

SPEAKER_01:

So why are you gonna sit there and talk about my problem when you got the same guy? I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_03:

My problem ain't as bad as jokes.

SPEAKER_06:

Because listen, because this is what you think. I apparently got a problem. You think right, you think, okay, it's not a problem because you can pay your bills and you can do that. No, no, no, I don't think that.

SPEAKER_04:

Uh I don't think that. No, I do, I do, I gamble probably probably pretty much every day. But I really yeah it's so easy.

SPEAKER_02:

So you go on here and you can come in here and I can bet. It's amazing. You can identify. Do this nigga. And don't want to admit it. You gonna look down on me. No, you got a problem.

SPEAKER_04:

Hey man, but I hit the spread last night. I hit the spread last night. No joke. I'm sitting there punching my butt cheeks, right? It was a couple nights ago when the when the suns played. Thank you. Pause on that. Hey man, pause fast forward, read what you win, homo. 800, 900? Nah. I made$300. Uh-huh. But I'm sitting there waiting for Booker to hit to hit that. I'll hit those free throws. Yeah, we don't need to hear the whole thing. Right? But but from a from a gambler's addiction, right? Yeah, I'm sitting here, get home from softball, to try to catch this game to see if I'm gonna hit my parlay.

unknown:

Right?

SPEAKER_04:

You got a problem. I got a problem. Now, I understand my problem and I can control my problem, right? I know my limits.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

You get what I'm saying? Right. But I got a problem.

SPEAKER_02:

I like to gamble. I never said I didn't have a problem. Nobody said you didn't have a problem. Okay, then. But you got a problem. You see. This? Hey, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. The other twin got a problem too. I know what's going on now. Y'all motherfucking got a motherfucking eagle and water on me and some blue biggest dude. I know what I said. I said I had a problem. He said that to hit a bit of a problem. You got a ticket shit, nigga. You got a problem, blah blah blah.

SPEAKER_01:

You got the stuff that problem. You come on this motherfucker. Let me start the chip. I'm gonna hit a pickleback.

SPEAKER_06:

You do got a problem, Joe.

SPEAKER_00:

I got a problem, but you gotta really got a problem. Listen, listen, your problem is greater than my problem.

SPEAKER_04:

I'm not saying it had nothing to do with how much you have habits. What does this do if you can pay your bills or nothing?

SPEAKER_02:

I have habits and I support my mother. I support mine too. I'm just like you. I drank, I smoke, and all that shit. But I goddamn support my habits. I mean cigars.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, no, you can afford your habits.

SPEAKER_02:

I say that. Oh my shit fall off a truck. I get it half price because it fell off the truck. I need some money to fall off the truck. Can you give me some money off the truck? I need to find that truck. You need you do because I'm gonna give me some rib eye side.

SPEAKER_04:

Oh, I'm gonna need to be that truck number.

SPEAKER_03:

Take Wonder Twins.

SPEAKER_06:

Now, anyway. Speaking of the gambling, did y'all ever think, or did y'all ever know or heard of like the cards and uh x-ray tables and I mean I know we've seen this stuff on movies. Right. All the stuff that's speculated allegedly with whoever it is, I don't care what you're talking about. Who's here's my thing part of this investigation? I just want to talk about the devices that they're using and contact lenses technology for real? Oh technology.

SPEAKER_04:

Oh yeah. It's there.

SPEAKER_06:

Contact lenses. They was deep in the city.

SPEAKER_04:

Here's my thing. Why are millionaires having to pull these devices in to to to basically cheat? They bored. Nah, I don't think it's I don't think it's that. I think they just no more. It's You don't think Chelsea Bill's a millionaire? Sorry. You don't think CB's a millionaire? It's out now.

SPEAKER_06:

Listen. It's all over the place. It don't matter. I ain't even talking about him. We just talk about, I will talk about the devices.

SPEAKER_02:

The technology. I mean, it's a good thing. So they you saying they got a motherfucking device contact lens. They got X-ray tables, cards, contact lenses.

SPEAKER_06:

But they in charge of the shit. No, that's what I'm saying. Everybody's in on it. But then you bring some heavy hitters that's excited to play with famous people. Oh.

SPEAKER_04:

Because that's the problem.

SPEAKER_06:

Here's the thing. Damn. You got bread. These three cats is famous. So you. Y'all two got a lot of money. So I know that y'all sit up here, that y'all got a lot of money. Y'all like to flaunt y'all's money. You like women. You like to flaunt your money. And you just sitting up here like I was like, hey, okay. I know this cat named Christian. He's worth like 700 mil. He likes to show his money off. He likes uh ladies. You just have a couple ladies come to these card games.

SPEAKER_03:

He's excited.

SPEAKER_06:

Now here's here's the famous people right here. And you just excited because you're playing with some superstars, and you like, oh, so you're gonna run home and tell your buddies, and then they're gonna want to come in. So basically, you're the fish. You're the fish.

SPEAKER_04:

Problem is the fish they were using weren't necessarily fish you want to be using. You were trying to catch.

SPEAKER_02:

That's the basically they took money, oh new money took some money from old money. So was the fish like a fed or something? Not necessarily.

SPEAKER_06:

I mean, I'm I'm pretty sure somebody, bruh. Somebody, I'm thinking, somebody that's old money got took and they like, no, hell no, something's gonna be a little bit more. Organized money. They talk about organized crime. Oh no, no, it's organized crime. Golly. It's organized crime. That is some oceans of the city.

SPEAKER_04:

That's why I was like, hey, so so they're getting that's why you say I ain't saying nobody's name.

SPEAKER_03:

I don't have nothing to do with nothing. They're getting broke off by the house because hey, you all all I need is for Joe and Steve and Gerard, because they're famous to show up. Hey, we're gonna break you off.

SPEAKER_06:

Yeah, man. You're you're the one, you're luring, because I'm just a go-between. But I get paid to go fishing and bring the fish. But I'm like, hey, Joe, Steve, and Gerard, they be like, oh man, I used to watch them when I was a kid. Oh, they super famous. Let me get an autograph real quick. So now they they just all sitting up here.

SPEAKER_03:

They're just chopping it up with you across the table. Oh yeah. And you just succeed. You got money, then all of them probably put together.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, somebody had to rant them out. Oh man, that's what someone got someone got took.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah. And then that's when it probably got all right. Well, it's been getting took for years, according to it. Here's the problem. Yeah, money, money is always being tracked by somebody.

SPEAKER_06:

Well, they were sitting up here wondering, too, if you always losing after a while, after like my second, third time. I'm like, hold up.

SPEAKER_02:

I ain't going back.

SPEAKER_06:

Man, I ain't won yet.

SPEAKER_02:

But then I was saying they let you win.

SPEAKER_06:

You just sitting up here thinking, like, man, that well, I mean, your natural instinct.

SPEAKER_02:

Um, but my thing is, what makes it so big?

SPEAKER_06:

That's what I would that's what I would do. That's kind of to get involved. No, hold up.

SPEAKER_02:

That makes it so big, though. What makes it so big that cash gotta get involved with it though? That cash gotta get involved? Yeah. Because he's the head of the FBI. FBI don't usually fuck with that shit. Man, money.

SPEAKER_04:

Hey, government, if you have money, I'm just the government is tracking.

SPEAKER_02:

I understand that, but FBI don't usually fuck with that shit.

SPEAKER_04:

If it involves millions of dollars in the legal, in illegal ways, they're gonna get involved.

SPEAKER_03:

FBI and IRS with each other.

SPEAKER_05:

Because it's like someone trying to track the money, then they found out how much it was. Yeah, that's what they say. Oh, we gotta get involved in this.

SPEAKER_06:

Especially on it's been over like, I guess what, like four years? Especially they've been investigating for like four years, so you know it goes back longer than that.

SPEAKER_04:

There's people already under the investigation. Mobsters and stuff like that. Just saying, organized crime members, think about it. They already been investigated. People got eyes on them all the time. The movies is real. Where do you think they get it from?

SPEAKER_06:

Yeah, that dude. Listen, when they start talking about the devices, yeah, man, that's wild. I can't wait till this is over. Yeah, and I'm just gonna do a deep dive. I just want to know the glasses, dude, contact lenses, and then they though they was they had people earpieces they like in trucks, it do, it was uh it was truly a setup. So if we doing all this, we sitting up here playing Uno, and I can see through your card and see what you have, and I was like, oh, Joe has Uno and Green.

SPEAKER_05:

Hey man, let me let him go.

SPEAKER_06:

You throw them, yeah. What you gonna change the color to red?

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_06:

Yeah, because you know the other cars that you know, some red cars is like down in the deck.

SPEAKER_02:

So you gotta be a cold-hearted motherfucker to cheat at Uno.

SPEAKER_06:

Oh no, people cheat at Uno. Oh, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

That's what I just said. You gotta be one cold-hearted motherfucker to cheat at Uno. Yeah, those people.

SPEAKER_06:

You gotta be cold hearted just to cheat, even. No, no, no. Do any of y'all play poker? I play poker. That's acceptable cheating. So I don't even know how to play poker. Like if you gave me a deck of cards and I I wouldn't even know how to play.

SPEAKER_04:

Multiple forms. Texas Hold on is the number one form right now.

SPEAKER_06:

Most people are playing, but you don't play poker either? No. See, you know how to play? I know how to play.

SPEAKER_05:

I don't know how to bluff and all that shit because I get excited. I can't hold it in. Oh shit, everybody folds. Oh, yeah, you did. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

There was a time I used to play. Give me a do-over. I wanted to be a professional poker player. Yeah. But you have to have the bank roll, right? So you can hand this problem along. You gotta have the back. Oh, hey.

SPEAKER_06:

I spent many hours at the poker poker poker table. And how how how long have y'all been? Did y'all gamble back in high school? No, no, no, no. Y'all ain't never shot dice?

SPEAKER_05:

Oh, I should not drive. I'm not really a dice shooter. Yeah, I'm a dice shooter. I play dice. I like dice. Now that's my game. Because street dice, that's I mean. Street dice, casino dice, nigga? Anything like that? Yeah, I don't really do dice.

SPEAKER_06:

That's the only dice I ever saw. Because you can't just the street dice. I mean, I've seen no obviously walking through the casino, but the problem is like with dice, like poker, you can you can control how you play with poker.

SPEAKER_04:

You can't control how everybody well you can manipulate how everybody plays based on how you're playing. It's called bluffing, right? And you can and you can pick up reads on people.

SPEAKER_05:

But I don't know how to pick up reads. I just mean like that.

SPEAKER_06:

Is that why when they're doing a a wide world of poker or whatever? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

Like, okay, he's doing something different. Yeah. So that's why you see them very methodical about how they pick up their cards, put them down, and then they'll sometimes they'll sit there and count.

SPEAKER_06:

So people like how Steve say he gets excited. Yeah, yeah. So you'll know. Yeah, be like, oh, okay, he must really got it.

SPEAKER_04:

So you really gotta watch not so much the cards, but the players. That's why they call it the poker phase. Playing the player. Position too matters a lot. But I mean, instead of instead of looking at your hand, yeah, you know what's in your deck or what's in your hand, but you really want to know what I'm more focused on y'all than I am what's in my deck or my hand. See, you got to be evenly focused. You have to be focused on both. You also you have to understand who's playing around you. And position matters a lot too, because that the dealer changes every hand, right? You just I just don't deal for everybody. Trust me, start here.

SPEAKER_05:

See, and then like the percentages, because they'd be like, okay, there's a lot of percentages.

SPEAKER_04:

So there's based on the base two. Based on, yeah, so there's pre-flop percentages, there's post-flop percentages. Yeah, based on your start. Yeah. Based on how many people are in the hand, based on how many cards are dealt. Trust me. Yeah. Oh, it's too much. I've been man. It's it's it's a lot. Like I read books on it. That's how you poker for dummies. That's how crazy it is. Because they saw the crazy percentages.

SPEAKER_02:

I don't need that one 800 them. Poker's just a poker's a fun game. Justified that shit. It's gambling. I've been doing it since you were about eight years though.

SPEAKER_04:

I play poker for fun on my phone all the time. All right, so what's practicing? Do you ever gamble? I gamble on your phone. I'm saying, do you put money, money on your phone? Not on my phone. Not for poker, no. Have I? Have I gambled online? Poker? Yes. That's how I started with online. Shit. Because of the internet.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

And then they banned it all.

SPEAKER_06:

Hey, the internet is taking everybody down, man. I'm telling you. Instagram, TikTok, but that these betting sites.

SPEAKER_04:

The internet, like that's what not porn no more. That's what actually got poker so big back in like the in the mid-2000s. Stuff like that. Yeah, what was it? The poker 2000? World series of poker. World Series of Poker, yeah. Hey, uh$10,000 game. How different is uh$25,000 blackjack compared to poker? Oh, it's way different. It's a totally different game five thousand. No, they got a$10,000. I don't even know how to play.

SPEAKER_06:

Now, see, I know how to play blackjack. But I would never go to the casino and play. Because the dealer And I heard that you can mess people up. Yeah, here's the thing. Like I played that like on PlayStation before.

SPEAKER_04:

That's another game based on how many decks they're playing, right? Because a lot of casinos are playing five, six, seven decks because people learn how to count cards. Shit. When you start learning how to count cards, you can and kind of count what's coming next. Isn't that the point though? To to hit under. You get banned. No, you want to your your goal is to get 21. But if you get over 21, you bust. You can hit 21. Right? So but your goal is uh to to beat the did the dealer.

SPEAKER_05:

Beat the dealer has to stay at anything over 16. No, the dealer has to stay at over 16. Over 16. Yeah. At 16 they can hit, but at 17, they have to stay at 10.

SPEAKER_04:

Wait, the dealer can play. Oh, you're playing against the dealer. What you got, Bosco? Man, look.

SPEAKER_06:

I see the table, and I'm thinking, so like the table is X-ray, uh-huh. And I guess with the high-tech glasses, because it says X-ray poker table. But you would have to see what you know, what the other people have, right? Hold on, I'll put it, I'm gonna put it in this group text. It's the X-ray poker table. Your cars are down, obviously. But if I got on the glasses, I can see the cars that's laying down.

unknown:

Damn.

SPEAKER_06:

And then I see the uh the high-tech car shuffling machine. So are the cards That's insane, man.

SPEAKER_04:

What are the cards made of to where they can they can't see through the cards?

SPEAKER_06:

No. You see what I'm saying, though? It's the t it's how the tables. No, look, I'm gonna I'm gonna send y'all a here.

SPEAKER_04:

Understand those shuffle machines too, right? When you go, when you go to a casino at the tables or in or whatever, those shuffle machines can be programmed. Believe it or not, they can hit a button, it will put all those cards every single order in order. Every single card in order. So when you so when you play like not necessarily blackjack, because that's all kind of out of the shoe, right? But we play like another game called uh uh Texas Hold, or whatever, that's dealt out of a it's called a shuffler. Right? So when they push the button for the game, it deals the cards. That card know that that shuffler knows exactly what cards are in that shuffler and what's being dealt out to that shuffler. So when they put the shuffler, when they put the cards back in the shuffler, it goes through, counts the cards, sees every single card, and it will tell you if you if you're missing a card. That's that's all, yeah. So it's crazy.

SPEAKER_06:

Yeah, dude. Hey, look, I just sent y'all, I sent y'all the text. Just just send it. Huh? Okay. Oh, I don't know. I might want to be like the airline pilot.

SPEAKER_04:

I mean, uh see that? So the song was in the air from above.

SPEAKER_02:

Wow. I got my glass, I can't see nothing.

SPEAKER_06:

Oh. Just check it out when you can. It's just look, it's just funny to see and crazy to see. Because I mean, I'm not a gambler, but let's just say I'm the fish. I'd have just been sitting up there like, because the table don't look like nothing.

SPEAKER_03:

Because the thing is they're gonna let you win a few hands. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

Ultimately, you're gonna end up losing. Oh, I got a big hand this time. Congratulations. Next thing you know.

SPEAKER_06:

Oh, and they talk about how it works. Yeah, goodness gracious. So you got someone with the city. Because then obviously, you know they're not playing like I know some people probably think like, oh, it's a bunch of people. No, these are private. Yeah, yeah. It's only like one person at the table. And so it's probably one famous person, the dealer, probably got about five four or five other people.

SPEAKER_04:

Because usually they try to keep them about five, six people, probably.

SPEAKER_06:

Look, I see. This is nuts. This says how the poker frog works. One, x-ray table, chip tray, and shuffle machine read cards, two, information sent to off-site operator. Three, details sent to quarterback, player by phone. So it's almost like, you know, like they talk to you through your helmet. Yeah. He seek God here's the thing.

SPEAKER_04:

If you go to a casino at the regular poker tables, I can sit there with my phone, watch movies, listen to music, whatever I want to. Now, the tables on the floor, those that's different. You cannot have an electronic device out. But in the actual poker room, you can sit there. I've sat there and watched a whole movie. And they got like a pit boss overseeing all this. Oh, yeah, yeah. They got cameras, and they got cameras everywhere. Everywhere. They know, they probably can tell what color drawers you got on.

SPEAKER_06:

And now, and they talk about like in the casinos, they can tell all this, right?

SPEAKER_04:

This is out of private. The crazy thing is, what drives people that have clout and money to want to be involved in that? Dude. That's what I don't understand. Isn't that the that's that's the question I have? Like us, right? We try to make it, we try to make a quick buck, right? I can see why I might somewhat get involved, but people with clout and money, with prominent jobs, and a career that we would all love to be in, right?

SPEAKER_05:

Right.

SPEAKER_04:

What drives them to want to be involved in this mentally? Boredom. Money.

SPEAKER_05:

No, man. No, I don't, I don't think it's money. Listen, I think they've got extortion. It's never enough. I think they got caught up. Yeah, they got caught up. They owe somebody some money, a whole bunch of money.

SPEAKER_06:

Like, well, what we gon' do. Right. Yeah, not men. You know, your you know your uh your baby girl uh Clara, your grandbaby Clara, uh she goes to ABC daycare, right? You like, oh, uh sign me up. Yep, yep.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, they especially if you're dealing with some of these crime families. Man, y'all think it goes that deep? Oh, yes, yes, yeah. Oh yeah. Why do you think that for Bisouva? I don't think it's just because of the biggest.

SPEAKER_06:

Oh, you think this is this is bigger than just the Phoenix Police? Yeah, it's bigger than Nino Brown.

SPEAKER_02:

I'm snitching on all shot off the website. Can't get no bigger than that, dude. Uh Nino's the man. Oh man, yeah, you know, snitched on everybody. Who he said it was bigger than it's dog.

SPEAKER_06:

It's this is nuts. And then they they waited to uh what to sec after the opening night to bust them out. Hey, well, like I said, it ain't they drive.

SPEAKER_04:

They took a single shot.

SPEAKER_06:

Like, man. Yeah, bro. Huh? That's cold. I'm even just sitting up here looking at the whole little network, like, this is crazy.

SPEAKER_04:

It's the timing of it too. NBA started Tuesday night, Wednesday night, this stuff hits.

SPEAKER_06:

They're gonna they're gonna still be alright. No, it'll be all right. All the degenerates out here, don't nobody get it. I got a question for you, man. Oh, here we go.

SPEAKER_02:

So, what do you think about your GCU? Basketball team, new coach.

SPEAKER_04:

I ain't really paid attention to him. Dude, the last one was bad.

SPEAKER_02:

He's a South Carolina assistant. Yeah, no, I you know. Oh, we gotta. What do you think your first game is gonna be South Carolina?

SPEAKER_06:

Oh, they play South Carolina?

SPEAKER_04:

They got first game, November 3rd. Men's got uh USC this weekend for a um exhibition. Might have some tickets if anybody wants tomorrow night.

SPEAKER_02:

November 3rd. They're playing in South Carolina though.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, no, I'm gonna get their ass whooped. They probably get their ass whooped.

SPEAKER_06:

They're gonna lose by what? 45, 50? I don't think they're gonna lose.

SPEAKER_04:

Did y'all hear that Dodd Staley? Like, I think it was the Knicks or somebody?

SPEAKER_06:

Oh, yeah, yeah. She was up for the Knicks job. For the next job.

SPEAKER_04:

You think that would work? I mean, honestly, you think that would actually work? I'm not no, I'm not trying to be sex. I'm not sure what I'm saying. You're going from a case, it will work. I'm saying, how many college coaches recently have been successful? And I'm talking men's and women's has been successful transitioning up. Bill Bellamy. Turn that nigga mic up. What button is here? What button is here? I thought we were gonna turn the mic up on Joe. Get Steve right now.

SPEAKER_05:

But he went down. He went down.

SPEAKER_04:

Bill Belichick. Yeah. He went down, man. Uh what's his name? Pete Carroll's the only one I can think of.

SPEAKER_05:

Oh, what's the one?

SPEAKER_04:

You mean basketball? Oh, basketball. I mean basketball. Oh, I don't know. I'm out. I don't remember. I'm out on this conversation. Exactly. You had a few. The one dude from um VCU who went up and then Shocker Smart went up and then went back down, right? Jim Floyd. Tim Floyd did all right in Chicago. Yeah, who's the guy? Who's the guy in the Celtics? He ended up going to the back office.

unknown:

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

He actually did a we're talking basketball. Man, I'm just saying. Hit his button, please. I'm with you, Stephen. It went up and then went down. That's all I know is uh football coaches. Basketball is not, you don't see it. Kyle Mari tried it. He wasn't successful. Who? Kyle Marty. Calapark. Kyle Park, sorry. I said Kyle Marty. This nigga said Calam. I'm hungry. I'm hungry. I'm hungry.

SPEAKER_05:

Turn his mic off.

SPEAKER_04:

All I'm saying is you don't see it very often in the uh NBA. Yeah, no, I think. I thought so.

SPEAKER_00:

I thought you'd be excited of you, man. I'm excited about it.

SPEAKER_04:

The dude's pretty good, though. The dude's good. I'm glad they got him as a head coach, but he still hadn't done his first game. And they play in South Carolina? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

But you know, yeah, thing. He's gonna recruit.

SPEAKER_04:

Oh, he's gonna recruit. He's gonna recruit. But you still gotta prove yourself, right? Molly Miller came in, she did her damn thing, took him to the uh to the uh tournament, first time ever for women's. Now she's over at ASU, right? But he gotta come in and prove himself. World of college sports, though, you know how it is. We all talk about that. We talked about this a ton. Man, every year different different set of kids on it on that team. Especially with the change. The trend. The basketball hit the transfer portal too. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. All the NCW. The kid they had, GCU had Tyon Grant Foster, who was a superstar for him, tried to go to Gonzaga. Now, granted, this man that started at Kansas, had a bad heart, something happened. Damn near died twice. Who that? Tyon Grant Foster. Oh. They looked at him as a potential NBA prospect.

SPEAKER_03:

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_04:

However, he played last three years at GCU. He's on a seventh, I think he's trying to get a seventh year, seventh or eighth year now. Damn. He went to Gonzaga. They denied him.

SPEAKER_06:

He was only trying to play seven, eight years.

SPEAKER_04:

Hey, look at uh what's his name? Uh Marcus Tuyasa Sopo's ass. Nigga was in college for like 10 years. Man, they need to stop all that.

SPEAKER_02:

The tight end down in Miami, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_06:

You get four, five years, six yeah, for eight years. Six at the most. I understood COVID.

SPEAKER_02:

He had two injured years and two COVID years. I understood COVID.

SPEAKER_06:

Hey, do people still have COVID years? Please tell me no. No. They shouldn't.

SPEAKER_04:

I think this was the last class that should have had them.

SPEAKER_06:

Hey, who sent that clip with if you if you take the money, you should have to stay all four years.

SPEAKER_04:

I said I sent that. And I believe it. I believe in that. I believe if you take money pending coach change, you should have to stay all four years.

SPEAKER_06:

Yeah, I think like if your coach lead, like anybody for Penn State, they now they they should be able. Yeah, they should be able to transfer. No, remember they they uh fired Franklin when they do that? Two weeks ago about a weekend last week. Yeah. Yeah. So when they fired him, for the guys that want to transfer, well, I mean, if they unless you want to transfer immediately, I think what once the season is over, and if you want to transfer, you should be able to transfer and play right away. But other than that, nah. I mean, look at tennis. Once the other coach comes in and you still there, uh-uh. You locked in.

SPEAKER_04:

So they're doing, obviously, they're doing an interim coach. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Okay. I mean, we we all understand scholarships, most scholarships are only one year, right? There's what, three schools, four schools of the country that offer full four-year scholarships.

SPEAKER_02:

It was the entire Pac 12 that did offer.

SPEAKER_04:

I don't think it was the I don't think it was Stanford.

SPEAKER_02:

It was it was your it was your it was the Pac-12. The conference.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, I thought it was just Stanford. I'm pretty sure it was just Stanford, but I won't argue with you on this one. You can't.

SPEAKER_02:

However, I'm very rarely right on you know fact check. Hey, we don't fact check here. No, but I think the Pac 12, the Pac-12.

SPEAKER_04:

I knew Stanford did. Pac 10 or whatever. I knew Stanford, Northwestern.

SPEAKER_02:

It was the entire pack. Vanderbilt.

SPEAKER_04:

So what were you gonna say though? What I'm saying is I understand that one, you know, everybody's on one-year scholarships. I get that, but when they started implementing or introducing money to these players, right, and they've given you a million dollars to play, that's worth more than any scholarship, right? Yeah and they and they're getting paid, and they getting free school.

SPEAKER_02:

Well, my my my nephew uh went to Oregon State. So when he got injured, he was allowed to stage four years.

SPEAKER_04:

He was probably based on a cause, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, I told you the Pac 10 had a four-year had the four-year performance base.

SPEAKER_06:

I'm not people that that's been it was the everybody else had the four years performance. They were still around. They'll honor it. They still honored it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

That's most schools, I think.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, I'm I'm pretty sure I read where the Pac-12 had went back to the four-year contract.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, listen, how they before they played along. Before they were disbanded, but all I'm saying is you pay you getting paid to play, you might as well stay.

SPEAKER_02:

Well, the thing is though, like with the the argument is that so you give them the you giving them peanuts, but you're making millions off of them motherfuckers.

SPEAKER_06:

It's always better. No, I think they no, I think they should be able to get paid.

SPEAKER_02:

So I don't think you like you what you're doing is no better than not paying them. Not necessarily. No, you shouldn't be able to jump from school to school. You still getting paid?

SPEAKER_04:

No, what I'm saying is you had it corporate. He ended up at UCLA. Why? Because Tennessee didn't want to pay him four million dollars a year. He was already making two. Now he's only making one. Now he's only making one.

SPEAKER_01:

So what I'm saying is he was smart than mine.

SPEAKER_04:

What I'm saying is he's making he's making more money than most of us will probably see in the next 10 years, right?

SPEAKER_02:

No.

SPEAKER_04:

Why wouldn't he why wouldn't he just stay at Tennessee and make the two million dollars because ask for more?

SPEAKER_02:

Because it's peanuts.

SPEAKER_04:

And he if he's good enough, he'll make more than that over his career. All I know is this.

SPEAKER_02:

You think about it, like, okay, if we all sit here, right? It's like we already had this conversation and and and I fucked up, but we're gonna do it anyway. And uh he said, okay, we this podcast take off, right? And they come and get everybody the$8 million. And I said, I'm doing it for the fun of it.

SPEAKER_06:

Exactly. He sure did.

SPEAKER_02:

So we're so I don't get no money now. I'm gonna look like a motherfucking fool over there.

SPEAKER_06:

I'm motherfucking fool.

SPEAKER_02:

Taking off and these motherfuckers sitting over here driving around the Lambo.

SPEAKER_06:

Yeah, we signed a hundred million dollar contract and we about getting paid. He said, Hit them on no money.

SPEAKER_02:

What I'm saying is I said to fuck it. Okay? They should get it with their worst. Yeah, you know, right? But they if they was gonna if they was gonna be handing out money, doubling out money like that, they should have fucking capped capped that shit. So hold up, hold up, hold up. I got a quick I got a question. It should have been capped out. If you on the team, can everybody get the same fucking amount of money?

SPEAKER_06:

Hey, can I tell y'all something? No, that's not fair though. I'm sorry. Let me okay, let me say something.

SPEAKER_02:

If you're good enough to make that motherfucking roster, you should get the same amount of money.

SPEAKER_06:

Now, this is for ex Full Ride scholarship player. Now, you can go freshman, get it a certain amount, sophomore, junior, senior. You go like that. Now, I'm however much you want it to be, if you're a freshman, you get 200,000, 2000. I've whatever number they want to, whatever number they want to figure out. Because four and six have been good. No, you can do that. Like you go like two like a salary cap. So my freshman year, I don't care who, it could be Jeremiah Smith or the receiver from Alabama, you're a freshman, 200,000. Now you can get uh, you know, if you want like t-shirts and all that stuff, that's kind of like on that's on you. Yeah, like but I'm saying, like from the school, you just you keep it across the board. So you know, okay, I'm at 200. You're a sophomore, let's say you're making 400. Junior, 600. So you're a senior, you make 800.

SPEAKER_04:

Let me let me ever. I'm fine with that. Let me let me interject then. Then that's where you have the difference between the collective and the NIL, right? The collective should do that. The NIL is what's paying, what's paying some of these guys more, right? That's what that's what the name is. I don't even know. So that's my question regarding the I don't even know the collective. Because the the NIL, to my understanding, and I'm way out the game, but the NIL is the name and likeness they get paid by whatever image and likeness. Name, image, and likeness. They get paid by whatever uh NIL deal with Nike, right? Or who in a safe way? Yeah, yeah. And and they'll pay me, they'll pay you a certain amount. Now is a fund that's raised by the school. But is this money that I can actually use? Like here's the check. Yeah, that's that's your money. You're You're getting paid. The collective is raised by the school. For instance, GCU, right? We were a part of what they call the um lopes club, right? Oh, yeah, and you put money in. So we paid a certain amount. Now we we had certain perks, right? We got to go have dinner before the game, right? The coaches talk, all that type of stuff. Some well, other team players will come and all that depending on the depending on the level you want to pay. Depending on the level you want to play, right? Yes. And that's money that's being gained by.

SPEAKER_06:

Maybe getting.

SPEAKER_04:

And that's part of the clear that all that money goes to the collective that they divvy up to the main. Now you got the NIL, right? The NIL is where these guys are getting paid. That's when you got the guys doing the commercials. So it ain't, it ain't, it ain't. So say Safeway wants to give me$500,000 to blah blah blah. It ain't just$500,000 of whatever Safeway. It's$500,000 cohort cash.$500,000? Whatever they do. Whatever they want to do.

SPEAKER_06:

Hey, some some of these cats, hey, they even doing this. Some high school kids got NILs. What? I don't know. Yeah, yeah. Some high school kids.

SPEAKER_02:

School, elementary.

SPEAKER_06:

Yeah. Yeah. Some kids got NIL deals, man.

SPEAKER_02:

High schools are paying. The eighth graders are coming to their school now. I'm like, it's crazy.

SPEAKER_04:

I mean, Caitlin Clark was making a million dollars in college off of an NIL deal. Right? That wasn't included with Iowa was bringing in collective paying them. Right? So they okay. So they get the NIL plus a collective. So everybody went to MIT and everybody got the player. Not everybody gets a player NIL deal. Right, right. But they all get a part of the collective. Right. And then they get their scholarship, little hyphen. And they get their scholarship.

SPEAKER_06:

Listen, now this is what I'm saying. Dude, I'm trying to listen. We don't pay for anything.

SPEAKER_04:

Oh, I watched, I've seen videos on that. You're right.

SPEAKER_06:

Nothing. And now remember, I'm going back to the early 1900s. Early 90s. You said, you a fool. Okay, you can. I mean, you we was broke, bro. Now, I mean, you get your per diem and all that. Yeah, I see. But like, what these cats get now? Yeah, I wasn't. Hey, listen. Me and Chris talked about this. And I was sitting up here. We was talking on the phone. We were talking about the NIL. I was like, man, Chris, I'd just be happy with 25,000. Well, y'all know Chris. Chris said, nigga, I'd have been happy with 2,500. And then I thought about it, I was like, yeah, shit, me too.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06:

I was going$25,000 based off these cats getting like millions.

SPEAKER_04:

Right.

SPEAKER_06:

If you give me like, if you'd have gave me$25,000 just for the year, I'm like.

SPEAKER_04:

And I and I know that uh yeah, the scholarship players didn't pay for shit. I was on the team too, but I you know, I was a walk-on, so I, you know, get in my own way.

SPEAKER_06:

But I don't pay for anything.

SPEAKER_04:

The fact that they get a select few get the NIL, so let's say it's at least$500,000. They get the collective. Yep. And then they get their scholarship money.

SPEAKER_06:

Hey, if you got a nice little Instagram following, you can have, you can get a nice little NIL deal. Yep. Look at I mean, even if you, even if, let's say, even if you're a walk-on.

SPEAKER_04:

Was it was it Utah football who gave everybody who basically, while you played there, you got a car. They got part of the truck. That was part of the collector's truck. They all look like Joe's truck, too.

SPEAKER_06:

I think Joe, Joe played at Utah.

SPEAKER_04:

That was the collector, right? Let me find out. It was all trucks like that. They say you all have a vehicle for just playing here, right? That's that's something that was donated. That they could take after they graduated or whatever. They turned those cars in. They turned them in, but you got to use it while you were playing. Oh, see, that I'm all right with that. Yeah. Hell yeah. Some do it in that form, some do it in monetary form. You probably had the option. And that's that's what I thought the NIL was initially. The NIL is. It's basically pay-to-play now. You got pay, it's pay-to play. So, like Underwood for Ishigan, right? I hate to say the word, that dude got how many millions to just to go. Did he get like six million? Six million dollars. Now that's some of that's collective, some of that's NIL. They they set up NIL deals. The school can set up NIL NIL deals for you. They can bring in and say, hey, I have this dealership that would be a good idea. The reason why they got the peer. It's because of the NIL. Because some players guys are making pool cokes.

SPEAKER_02:

Is that your NIL deal you want it, Joe? Give me a year's supply of this shit.

SPEAKER_06:

You just crack that bottle, Joe.

SPEAKER_04:

Nah, he was already working on it. He was working on the game, though.

SPEAKER_06:

And see how many problems they're trying to give you, Joe. I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_04:

You got 99 problems with a one, right? Oh, ain't one, no. Man, man. This shit is. You know what? Shout out to them.

SPEAKER_06:

We're gonna continue this to be continued next week.

SPEAKER_04:

We're about to get our NIL deal here. I'm not even mad about it. Hey, now I'm fucking. I'm more mad about my age verification. Hey man. If I hit this parlay, Christian wants an NIL deal from Pornhub. Nah, not Pornhub. Uh you know what? Fuck it. I'll take it up. Hey. X videos. What up?

SPEAKER_06:

Joe wants one from 1738.

SPEAKER_02:

X Videos.

SPEAKER_04:

X videos, sir.

SPEAKER_00:

I want one from Perfect Girl.

SPEAKER_02:

365. Perfect Girl. You one from Pride. I don't think you need an age verification for that one.

SPEAKER_06:

The Bruce uh Bruce Springsteen movie came out this week.

SPEAKER_04:

Shout out to Bruce Springsteen. There was a book on Netflix that I wanted to watch. I live down. Hey, who's seen the black phone? Yeah, I seen I saw Black Phone. Did you see it? Not yet. You ain't seen it? Worth it? Yeah, it's good. It's part two, right? Yeah. It's it's the okay, without spoiling it, obviously. Yeah. Does it make sense how they brought him back? Yeah. Okay. Damn, you spoiled it.

SPEAKER_06:

Someone dies to come back, huh?

SPEAKER_04:

Damn it, nigga. Snatch you the limitations. That movie is five years old.

SPEAKER_06:

They didn't turn the nigga in to somebody that you already knew back in the day.

SPEAKER_04:

Y'all catch it.

SPEAKER_06:

Grab it. Let's see what else we got. And C.

SPEAKER_04:

Uh. Hey, hey, hey. Kind of on the same subject with it in the movie. You watch smoke on Apple TV yet? Nigga, I'm not rich. I don't have Apple TV. Hey, I'm smoking. Nigga, who got Apple TV?

SPEAKER_05:

I don't even have Apple TV TV. These two niggas.

SPEAKER_04:

Smolette. What's the girl name? Smolette. Journey? Journey. Oh my god. Who? Journey Smolette. Journey. She and Mesha. What's it Jesse's Smolette sister, right? She's been acting for years. That's her name? Juicy Smolette.

SPEAKER_02:

Is that her name?

SPEAKER_06:

I think it's Journey, but she's a few. Yeah, Journey.

SPEAKER_04:

Hey, you gotta see her.

SPEAKER_06:

No, it's Journey. It's two of them then. Oh, it might be a couple.

SPEAKER_02:

Because the one, I don't think the other one's name is Journey.

SPEAKER_06:

No, Journey. Journey is the man.

SPEAKER_02:

The one that said was in uh Ease by You. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06:

Journey. That's Journey. She's all grown up now, boy.

SPEAKER_02:

I knew she all grown up. She's in uh uh uh Underground.

SPEAKER_06:

What show are you talking about? It's called Smoke.

SPEAKER_02:

She was in Underground.

SPEAKER_06:

What show was that on?

SPEAKER_02:

Eight Apple Plus. You know what?

SPEAKER_06:

I don't give a movies. I don't know why you bothered asking. I go to the movie. Hey, I did start watching.

SPEAKER_02:

What's that weird show with uh you watch Abbott Elementary?

SPEAKER_06:

Abbott's Abbott Elementary is back.

SPEAKER_02:

Nigga, have you seen Hal Hobbs and Shaw yet?

SPEAKER_06:

I'm working on it. Man, we used to be friends.

SPEAKER_02:

Man, have you seen Underground? No, I ain't seen it.

SPEAKER_06:

The slave one? Yeah. Uh-uh. That was good.

SPEAKER_02:

Was it? I heard it's a series, though.

SPEAKER_06:

That's about Mary Tub, man, right?

SPEAKER_02:

No. No, no, no. This is this is shit is off the chain. What's her name's in there? I think the small egg girl is in there. Oh.

SPEAKER_06:

Let's see what else is out before we uh World Series update.

SPEAKER_04:

Tied two to two. Damn, the World Series is going on. Just started. The last finals just started.

SPEAKER_06:

We got Forgetting You. You can just Google it. We ain't gonna talk about who's in it. I'm so out of damn. Bruce Springsteen's movie. I don't know what Shelby Oaks is, but it looks scary. Oh is Shelby Oaks scary?

SPEAKER_04:

I think if let me let me look at that. Let me look at that. Let me I think that may have been what I wanted to see.

SPEAKER_06:

Hey, I want to see the Julia Roberts movie too.

SPEAKER_05:

Oh yeah, I want to see that. That'll be my next one.

SPEAKER_06:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

Reading you?

SPEAKER_06:

Oh, hold up. Now Harkins is doing Harkins is doing Barry Gore's last. Wait, if they did this already? Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah, we saw the last dragon. Man, hey, it was fun. I'm gonna tell you this. It was way more people, it was way more people into it than like hey, I ain't gonna lie, you can I'm in the community. And when I say the community, honestly, the black community.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, they got it at Harkins too.

SPEAKER_06:

Dude. We showed up. They showed up too. I was like, damn, Bruce Leroy. Dude, it was in the smaller theater, but it was packed. Cats was screaming. It was hype. It was hype. If you remake it wasn't a school night, would you mind seeing it? No, I don't want to see it remake. That's like making purple rain. Who's the baddest both?

SPEAKER_02:

That's what Joe.

SPEAKER_06:

You a real nigga, Joe.

SPEAKER_02:

You can't remake purple rain.

SPEAKER_06:

Real niggas, no real niggas. I'm gonna leave it at that. Holly, I gotta see Hops and Shaw.

SPEAKER_02:

That's right. I'm gonna R R N, baby.