Anxiety-Proof Her Interview with Sweta Chawla

Dr. Sweta Chawla is a former pharmacist turned women's empowerment coach who blends the masculine and feminine energies to support her type A clients to find health and balance in their lives.

You can learn more at drswetacoach.com.

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Welcome to the anxiety proof her Podcast, where amazing women come for education, inspiration and hope around healing from anxiety. Each month, you're going to hear from other women who took control of their mental health by using outside the box holistic strategies to cope with their anxiety and to ultimately thrive. You will also learn from experts in the health and wellness industry, about the tools they use every day to help their patients reclaim their well being. We hope this information allows you to see that there are many different paths to healing. I'm your host, Jennifer Bronsnick, and I'm a licensed clinical social worker, and anxiety treatment professional. I help women and teen girls who struggle with anxiety, self doubt, and perfectionism to tap into their innate resilience, get to the root of their fears, and implement custom healing strategies so that they can experience peace of mind, more self confidence and be liberated from the suffering that living with anxiety causes. I have lived with anxiety my whole life, and know how hard it can be. I also know that there is hope. And it's 100% treatable with the right information and support. Thank you so much for showing up for yourself and taking the first step to reclaiming your well being and resilience. So welcome, I am honored and have the privilege to reconnect with my friend, Dr. schweetz. Charla, and I'm probably ruining your name, so I'm going to have you Reaper pronounce it for us. I'm terrible, with names. But I am I feel so honored to have you sharing your story and your wisdom with me and our listeners today. So we met years and years ago and have been in origin together. So I've seen a lot of your progression. So you're a doctor, you are a professor in pharmacy, author, speaker, and a Life and Leadership coach for highly driven folks looking for more ease and fulfillment and life and work. And you've gotten to this place and clarity. And it hasn't been an easy road. And I just want to thank you for being open about sharing that with us today. So please pronounce your name again for that everybody can get it right. Thanks, Jen. Thanks for having me. And thank you for publicly being very human and consider it so it's what that it's what the channel is about haven't repeat that over and over. It's like what thought about you, you're yelling at your kids or your kids or something you're like, That is so funny. Do you have to do that all the time? It's getting easier these days. Good. I'm glad to hear that will hopefully for me, it will become easier as well. So tell me because this is a podcast, obviously, about anxiety. So tell me a little bit about your experience with anxiety. Is it something where, because I've heard stories of like, I came out of the womb anxious? Or it's like this happened? And I can trace my anxiety back to that. Do you have a version of that story? Yeah, so you know, I I was born in India. So I grew up, you know, in an immigrant home and hard working immigrants. So there was likely anxiety, probably out of the womb, but we had no language around that there was no ever any acknowledgement around. feelings. It was it was primarily, you know, you got to survive. You just got to do your thing. And so I ensure I mean, I was bullied when I was a kid, I just went through quite a few different things, but didn't have any support around mental health or even languaging. So it wasn't until much much much later did I realize, Oh, this thing in my body, this feels like anxiety. The other piece of it too was that I was not in my body. You know, so I had a very like kind of that you just move through you move through things. And it wasn't until much later when I started to like connect to myself and then get versed in well being. Did I did I was able to identify this as anxiety. Yeah. What do you mean by not being in your body I know that feels so elusive. Yeah, you're working with the type of people that I work with who are highly driven and kind of very ambitious. I'm an East coaster like you, I was raised in Jersey, I'm in California now. So it's different people talk with language a lot. However, it was pretty much like I, I was numb, you know, and I didn't know that I was numb until I was in a transition in my career after giving birth to my son. So my son was born premature. And he, you know, it was like that, you know, turning point in my life, where I think that maybe a lot of women go through this where you're just like, you know, you start to feel more about what you want from life. And I started questioning my career choices. And so I hired a career coach. And she asked me what my dream was. And I was like, dream. I mean, I was like, I got a J. ob, I don't have time to dream. A kid and a partner, I have a life like mortgage. I was the breadwinner, you know? Yeah. But, but, um, then she was like, you're numb. And so being that kind of New York, I was like, Okay, well, then how do I get a numb, right? It was very much like a task that I needed to accomplish. And she gave me a tool to help me to feel essentially, you know, to feel like what's in my heart. And I started to feel sensations, I started to notice them and say, like, Oh, this feels good. Oh, this feels constricting. Oh, this feels, you know, I'm not right. This feels like there's something wrong. Where's so much of my life, I just operated from my brain, you know, here's a goal. This is what you do. These are the tasks that you need. There was never any like, Well, what do you think? What do you feel? And I remember the first time somebody asked me that question, and it was such a simple question. It was like, it wasn't, you know, we're going to place to get tea, and I felt a little uncomfortable about it. And I said, you think I should go? And it was an older man. And he looked at me and he goes, Well, what do you what do you want to do? And it was like, oh, like, I feel like I didn't ever even have anybody asked me that. So I didn't have a sense of self essentially, is what I mean, by that everything much more externally. accomplishment oriented, right. So there was just a lot of these emotions and feelings that you kind of were pushing down or maybe just not even aware of because of that focus, focus on the goal, or that the end point maybe. Exactly, yes. Yeah. So once you hired that coach, was that your turning point to shifting out of numbness? Yeah, we're there. Okay. So that was like a big thing for you. Yeah, I'm married. I remember. Like, when my son was born, it was like, oh, like, I need alone time. You know, I started to actually understand my needs. I started because I was able to feel, whereas before it was more like I was playing a role in life. Hmm, that really resonates with me, you know, that idea of like, well, it's just what you do. Exactly. Like, it's just what's expected of you like, you're the mother, this is what you do. You're the Father, you know, we all have roles that we pick up on. And it's so hard to not follow suit like it because it's so it's just like this unconscious. And also, there's a lot of, I think, positive feedback that we get for not being awake. Or just doing the things yeah, there's so how do you how do you go up against that, to listen to that inner voice? I'm going to be honest with you, I it's not something that I would have even known how to do if I didn't have guidance. So when I I ended up leaving my profession of pharmacy and started to follow my dreams. However, I still had that one foot in another door, right? It was like one foot like yes, let me feel follow my dreams. And then one of my foot was still in the past of like, go go, go go. And so I ended up burning out twice, you know, so I burned out for my career in pharmacy and then in my cup first initial years as a creative entrepreneur I burned out. And it wasn't until I moved from New York to California. Did I find a mentor that started talking to me about the feminine. And, you know, this the feminine principles, which is something that I have completely, you know, been steeped in for the last probably five years, and literally showed me how to, you know, put my hand on my heart. And, you know, this one exercise I do in the morning, I do this every morning is how filled up is my tank. You know, and from, you know, one to 100. And if it's less than 75, that's, like really depleted, you know? And then Wow, the next question is like, Okay, well, what do what do I need to fill up, and I've done this exercise with other women. And it's just really fascinating. Because if you ask a person, how they're doing on the outside, and if they're what you and I were talking about before, this, like a high functioning, high functioning and anxious person, mm, no, on the outside, it looks like they're this active, organized, helpful, go getter type person, which is, who I was, and who I work with. But on the inside, it's like, everything that they're doing is, this is like a survival and it's being in defense mode. Like, you know, I can't depend on anybody, so I have to do everything, or the world is always against me. So, you know, just to make this tangible, like, I used to be someone who would pack clothes, in my, in my carry on when I would fly somewhere, because I assumed that they were going to, like, lose my luggage. You know, so kind of living in this very worst case, scenario, type flight. Yeah. And so it's so it's kind of shocking, actually, because you're high functioning on the outside, and you put your hand on your heart, and you're like, Oh, my God, my numbers 33, you know, or it's just like a really low number. And I've seen, like, women's faces kind of be surprised about that. But that, you know, learning how to, like, Touch my body and ask my body, like, What do you need? What, what's going on? And it's building a new relationship, you know, because most of us have been taught to ignore our body for most of our lives, or shame our body, right? Totally. And now, I mean, I like, every day, I'm just so grateful to her. And I'm just like, wow, you survived another day, you know, in this toxic world. Like, you know, you are like, you know, if you, if you're a mother, or even if you're not a mother, just the fact that you can create life, you know, where we taught to celebrate everything that our body does for us, which is where we hold our intuition, which is where we hold our feelings. Yeah. And so it was really that was the journey of reconnecting to myself, and, and through art and creativity as well. Which, you know, I was I was science trained. Yeah, we didn't have like, it's not like it was nurtured. But I started writing, I'm a writer now. And I started painting, I started dancing more. I always loved dancing, but it was more like at the club, you know, and I now I dance to like, feel myself. It's really it's amazing how those subtle instructions you know, you hear that subtle voice that we've, you know, if you hear about tuition, you've we've heard people say, like, it comes as a whisper, and then it comes as a knock on the door. And then if you don't hear it, it's like a big like, hammer, right? It's usually not like a fun thing. Like, you get like, you can rest kind of thing, right? Yeah. And now and that's what that was me, like, my son was born premature. That's how disconnected I was from my body. It was like, literally, like, he lost weight in my room. And I made a mistake on a doctor's appointment. Like, that's just and I was working a lot then like I was, I was like, really hustling. And so it was that so disconnected, just so disconnected from my body. And so, you know, that's pretty much how I would say, like, I learned to get back in somebody guiding me. And that's often how I help the people that I work with, as well. Yeah. So I just want to say, I hope you have found that, that forgiveness is I think what most of us need is like, just to forgive that person that we used to be that didn't know yet. You know, you didn't know like, you didn't have the teacher yet. You didn't have the skills yet. And I think, you know, I know for myself, it's like, there's a lot of shame that comes up like, Well, why, like, why did I let that happen to me, like, that's never gonna get us anywhere. You know, it's only when we can say like, I forgive you for being human and love you And because of that, which sounds like you have kind of moved to that other side. Well, you know, it's I love that. You're bringing This up, because I think it is a journey and I had some very powerful for, like, experiences with forgiveness, you know, in like, I had 17 years of debilitating neck and back pain from a car accident that I had when I was 17. And I had and it was so steeped in my relationship with my father, you know, the way he responded to it, etc. And in one forgiveness, meditation, like, all the pain went away, like I never, I was going to chiropractor, like every week, and it was gone. And so I understand the power of forgiveness, but you can't also force it, you know, it's it's like when, when you're when your soul when your body's ready for it, and I have to tell you, with my son, it's been harder, it's been harder, even though he's completely fine. Now, you know, he's thriving. But I do know that and it's, it's actually just recently that I've been able to be like, oh, wow, like I'm getting, I can see deeper and deeper, the connection between working and my fear of harming my family, like my shoulder will actually get used to twitch, you know, now it just gets a little bit of numbness and I and anxiety has taught me to be able to talk to myself, and, and identify what parts of me are trying to protect, like, it's a protection. Yeah, totally. So when I put myself out there where I think I'm going to have to be, I don't wanna say working hard, but working devoted, which I want to do that, that my body starts to get a little numb gets get a little activated, and then I literally have to talk to those parts of me and say, This is not the same experience, you know, and it's also my little girl because my mom worked a lot. And being kind of an immigrant, but you know, one of the only women in our family that worked, it was, you know, very much perceived as like, she's independent, you know, from from some people, but for me, it was like I didn't, my mom works so much, you know, and so, my little girl, my little girl is like, I didn't have my mom. And and I don't want to do that to my son. So and I know a lot like moms guess what mom's guilt is right. So, so it's, it's definitely like, I'm so much more aware, there has been a lot of forgiveness, but it's not, to be honest with you. Yeah. I think as mothers, there's eight of this, you want it to go away like you like you understand the concept that like you shouldn't feel guilty, but it's so different from understanding the concept of it and like acknowledging that and you would never, you know, guilt another mom for that or you know, like you would totally forgive her but when it comes to ourselves I think that's why having someone like you, like a mentor to help you to reframe that because sometimes we just can't do it for ourselves like our brain is like you cannot let that go. And it's you know, so so important to find someone to help walk you through whatever the process is like, and I love from this podcast is that I've learned there's so many different ways like this is the first time I'm hearing about the feminine. Can you elaborate more on what that means? Like is it a mentality? Is it a practice? Is it only for women? So I see the feminine as an energy you know, that we everybody has every human has, to me both masculine energy and more and feminine energy. And women innately have more feminine energy but that's an especially nowadays, you know, with gender fluidity I feel like there is like a collective of humans coming into the world that are like we need to be more balanced. And you know, when I think of the feminine it's that part of you that's intuitive. It's you know, there's it's it's artistic it's the you know, the nurturer the caring you know, all the there's different very there's you know, I'm from India and so like if you know anyone Indian culture like we have thousands of goddesses in our in our lineage right? And there's so many faces to the feminine there's the mother there's the fierce feminine there's, you know, the the warrior feminine like there's just so many faces to the feminine and but it's it is much more of a you know, I think of like masculine Mars the form you know, so I'm into astrology as well. So if anybody's, you know, understands astrology, just like that Venus and Mars energy, kind of, you know, okay, I'm thinking like Yin and Yeah, meaning that Yeah, yes, yes. In Yon. So I think coming from, I think immediately me as a person, I am very feminine. But it was not nurtured. Because I grew up in a culture in a home where, you know, work was just necessary, it was a pillar, being on the East Coast, I think a lot of us, you know, our culture really forms, so much of what gets nurtured inside of us. And so that was a part that was really embraced in me was more of that masculine energy. And so I wasn't in touch with these other parts of me, which is what I see with a lot of the people that I work with, you know, it's not exclusive to women, it there are men, and then there's other men who are so in touch with their feminine, but they don't actually have the grounding of the masculine. So, you know, when I first moved to California, I started learning about these principles, and I started to embrace them. It's like I kind of, and I think I had to I went from one extreme to another. And so I was, you know, meditating a lot, I was very intuitive, I was very much, you know, but not like, I don't want to structure I don't want any, you know, I was really interesting, etc. And so then it became hard to like, come out in the world and do an execute. And so when I work with people like that, that's the range, like, I have these really highly driven folks who are not connected to their feelings at all. And then people who are both highly driven and highly feelings, so they have strong, masculine and feminine. And it's just a matter of teaching them how to have it work together. And then then I have people that like, who are so in their feminine, they're feeling this like the world, it's hard to be in the world, because the feminine is so in the feeling body. Yeah. So it's just bringing sounds like alignment to that scale. Like, I'm just like, envisioning, like a teeter totter. You know, like, you know, either once, yeah, you brought you in Indiana. And that's pretty much it's like, how can one support the other? Mm hmm. You know, what I see is, like, if you're not one of the extremes, where you're like, really into doing not feeling or really feeling that doing, but you're kind of that middle person that I was highly feeling highly doing is that it shows up as in this could show up as anxiety, right when I need rest, but I need to get stuff done. And they're not working with each other. Right. And so, you know, learning how to have one support the other, you know, to use your discipline and structure to make sure you get your self care, em, know, that you're going into, and I work with seasons, like when I have a seasons of success framework that I teach my clients, because, you know, if you're living from the heart, usually visions are very big. And that's where anxiety comes in. Because that's the overwhelm of like, I can't handle it, I won't be able to do it. And so using a framework, which is very much kind of masculine energy, to make it small, so that you can do it step by step. So it's like you want to support the other, what I find is oftentimes, they're like, there's there again, they're almost like against each other, and, like, internal war factly. Yeah, that just makes you more exhausted and more anxious. Yeah, yeah. So what's, what would be a great first step for someone to begin to find that alignment? Something simple. One would be to evaluate, where do you spend most of your time, like in like, keep track of it, or like in a journal, or just like, notice it every day? self reflection, okay, I have a form that I that I do a weekly form a check in form with my clients that helped with this. But you know, you don't need something. So we'd like to just kind of do an assessment of, you know, we just had this conversation so I'm, I wouldn't be surprised if anybody who heard this will start to now notice, like, Oh, I'm really in my doing body, you know, and I'm like, cut off like, head is only the head. Or I'm so in my emotions that I can't function. Like I can't even or both right, you know, like, you're kind of you're doing it but you're on edge like you're gonna crack any moment. just observing like, where do you fall in that? Where do you fall in that those three stages? Yeah. And and then if you are so in your doing body, it you know, just taking a moment to do the exercise that I just shared earlier, which is put your hand on your heart. How filled up is my tank, when we could do it even right now. Right, like, my tank. And then you trust, like whatever number comes to you. I got 15 nine as interesting. I got 65. Yeah, send them the inquiry would be okay, what would I need to bring it up? 10 points. Mm hmm. Like, what do I need to get to 100 because if you have perfectionist tendencies, like, I got to be like, Oh my god, I need to change my whole entire life. And if you're at the other extreme, you know, where you're in bed, and you're just like, so overwhelmed with the world and you cannot function. Right? Then the inquiry would be, you know, what, one small support can I call on to help me to get just do want them one next thing? One next thing. And so, for example, like if, if you're feeling like you want to, you know, you should move your body, and you are just like, I don't have the motivation, I can't do it. And, you know, I've been in that situation myself. And instead of it being like, I got to go to the gym for an hour. You know, can I put on one slow movement video and just sway my hips? Just just to get a little bit of more energy in me. Yeah. I love that. Because it takes away that all or nothing? Yes, thinking? Well, I think if it's not this, then it's not worthy. It's not good enough. Is there? It's that, you know, one little step like, maybe that's all today, you have the energy for and that's okay. Right, having that. Yes. And also exactly like that is so important. It's just seeing, because we tend to live in a lot of like, black and white, which I feel does hurt us. And it keeps us from being able to feel like we're making any progress. And acknowledging that as human beings, that life is dynamic. You know, life is dynamic. And so, if you're making, you know, you're you are choosing to, let's say be more external, create more in the world. And you have one day where you're like, Oh, I just can't, you know, see the bigger picture of your progress as well not, you know, be so hyper focused on like, how you're not showing up right now. Because if you, you know, we can go into that shame of like, I'm not doing it right. Like, yeah, yeah, it's, I've found that it's always been, those times of struggle has been a wake up call, of like, something's not working, you know, something has to change, or, you know, something in a relationship has to change. And so, that viewpoint really helps to sort of take away this, like, oh, something's wrong with me, or like, I have a diagnosis kind of mentality, where it's like, No, these feelings of sadness, anxiety, overwhelm, are actually guideposts for me to wake me up that something is not in alignment, and it could be something in my body, like I've had many times where a my minerals are out of balance, I'm not getting in enough vitamin D, or, you know, magnesium, whatever. Sodium, like, that's a big one for me, is that when I don't get enough sodium, my heart, it's like, I'm on a roller coaster. And there's nothing wrong with my heart. Like, I've been too many cardiologists to look into this, because, but that's sodium, like when I start adding in my sea salt in the morning. Like, it's like magic. It's like, it's amazing. So that just listening to those little messages is such a wonderful message that you're sharing with us today. Yeah, absolutely. I think ultimately, that is, it's about getting so intimate with yourself on it on every level emotionally, physically, you know, every how you'd like to work, what are the rhythms that are natural for you? You know, and I think that is, to me, that's empowerment. And I agree with you because when I went on this journey, I went I did more, a lot more of the emotional and spiritual parts of this to help me with my anxiety. And then in the past year, what you know, when we moved out here to California, I was like in the best health I was like my happiest Then we moved into the apartment that we live in now and my body just broke down. And it's been a journey of having to come back into my own health and that was kind of the missing piece for me because because I had come from Western medicine, I was a pharmacist. And you know, like I said, I'd one extreme to another, I went for the masculine to the feminine to, you know, this West Coast to everything being like internal, like, you know, all the alternative internal, spiritual, Eastern, and that was the missing link for me was the biology, the physiology, physiological aspect of it. And so I said, Okay, I need to focus on this. And I started I went to a functional medicine doctor, I have hypothyroidism I've had it since I was 20. And I just use, you know, Western medicine. And then I was like, No, I don't want to take any medicine. And so just learning about the my own physiology of adrenal fatigue, and all of these things that so many women are experiencing, and understanding the body and how you have such an appreciation for the body now, because it's just trying to regulate itself, like its its nature is to as well being, and even on an emotional level, like anxiety, you know, all those fears of anger, these emotions, anger, sadness, they are natural. And it is this, this not knowing how to support the body to naturally do what it wants to do. But we almost like interfere with it, as opposed to and which makes it harder, right? So we stop our emotions, or physiologically we don't know ourselves to understand how to nurture what we need. And so, you know, for example, for me, gluten, dairy, those types of things, they like, when I stopped eating gluten and dairy. I was like, wow, like, a whole new world. You know, I, I didn't understand brain fog and all those things until I made those changes. I mean, I was at a point where I couldn't even do it, like dropping my son off at school in the morning was so hard. No, I would, I woke up so much like it was like that, that you know, for me, anxiety in my body feels jittery. Totally electrical current going through my mind. And and then we found that we had mold in our apartment. And so we're going through the whole molby Media right now. Goodness, yeah, you're the second person I've heard with that. Same, like, it's that physical? Like, almost like an overdrive from the mold. Yeah. Right. So it's, you know, when you put in our, your history, you know, of, I mean, and I didn't weave in this piece either, but like, my mother basically had like, undiagnosed PTSD, you know, so she was very high functioning, in the sense that she worked all the time, right? And, but at home, she would literally, like leave her body and start, you know, speaking in my native tongue of Cindy, and like, she was going, you know, to a past scenario in her life that she never got to complete. And from being a little girl, I like had to physically push her back into her body. And this was never talked about, like, never talked about in my house, because we don't talk about this, we don't get the Ruby, you know, being immigrant now. Like, it's just not our culture. And so when we moved here, I started, I became a writer. And I was part of an anthology and be asked for ideas to write about, and I mentioned this one, kind of casually, and everybody was like, you need to write about it. And so I wrote this story that I had been holding, you know, for more than 40 years in my mom passed away. And, you know, it just never ever came up ever. Yeah. And so when I was writing that story, it was like I was going through all the grief of not losing her. But the relationship that I didn't get to have with her. Hmm. Because of this high functioning, trauma, essentially. Right. And that, writing that story, mixed with living in a toxic home, I ended up having pneumonia for seven weeks. Wow. And, and it's been, I mean, my lung function is not still fully back. But it wasn't until last year, that I really start to dive deep into my physiology, and understand my body and work with this functional medicine. And also I meditated, I started a meditation practice. Since my son was born, you know, he's nine. Now. What mindfulness and I know this isn't wasn't new, a new aspect that I didn't. That wasn't incorporating, which is just being with like, just as opposed to, because meditation can be used as an escape to write their world, you're in this bliss state, which is wonderful. But the being with like, Oh, I'm angry and not acting on it. Yeah, just with it. Yeah, it's, I'm in something called the receiving school. Oh, and this woman, Patty Lennon, she's amazing. And that's really the message of receiving school is that when you block one thing, you block all things. And so if you can't say, I welcome this pain, I welcome this experience, like I trust that I can have the capacity to handle it. It's only then that all the other goodness and abundance and the things that you know, everyone desires in life, right? That you have to say yes to it all. Otherwise, you're just putting up that shield to everything which was that was really a powerful manage thousand percent. That's what I tell my own clients as well. Like the heart doesn't know the difference between feelings. So if you've trained it, not to feel one thing, it can't feel the other things and I liken it to there's a book by Dr. Dawkins called power versus force or the news, you know, vibration to measure different emotions. Yep. And kind of how one has to do the other. Like, I had a big problem with joy. I literally would get joy headaches. Like in my friend was like, I can see joy, like I can see it like I can see your head try to block it. And something good would happen. I'm like, I'm going for my dreams. something good will happen miraculously, like effortlessly, and my head would just get like so constricted. It's like, this is not safe. This is not safe. And I'm able to even drive back to why where did those messages come from? Like, I have memories of being a kid and being happy about something but like I stole a bear when I was a little kid and I got in trouble for it when you're a little kid. You don't know what stealing is you just toy I like the bear. I take it, but motional Reppert, you know, yeah, of it, like being slapped, let's say like that in my nervous system. And so, you know, kind of putting these puzzle pieces together and like, oh, and then allowing, and like, I literally talk to my nervous system now. And I say to her, it's okay. It's safe to receive receiving I did 108 days of receiving on my Instagram a couple years ago. Yeah, do it again, praying, you know, training your nervous system to relate and respond to situations that were kind of automatic, they've been automatic reactions that we're not consciousness conscious of, right? So that's essentially what mindfulness is being conscious of your life experience, and holding it, and then without going into automatic response. And that when you hold it, if you do want to make a change, then you can choose to make a change, as opposed to it being like an automatic protection response type thing. Yeah. I love that. So if someone's listening to this interview, and they're struggling, today, what is a message of hope that you want them to know? I think what I would you use the word, this belief of like, I can't handle it. And, I mean, I still go through that every time like I'm up leveling, you know, and I see my brain, go into fear mode of, you're not going to be able to handle this. And my message of hope to others is that allow yourself to acknowledge that allow yourself to acknowledge that and allow yourself to believe and trust that your nervous system, your heart, your soul, like wants to support you in evolving and have that and it will it will like it absolutely will trust your timing. You know, trust your timing, and more than anything it allow in as much support as you can. You know, allowance, more support than you think you need? Yeah. You know, I have I have girlfriends now that I check in with every week, you know, and we, and nothing's too small. I just had a girlfriend text me yesterday, and can you hold space for me, I'm going through this thing and, and we don't need to fix anything. We don't need to fix it just the like, acknowledge it. That's, you know, that's a just awareness, and, and self compassion for your experience, knowing that what you're going through, if you're not alone, you're not alone. Like, if you go through experience where you messed up as a mom, or you messed up as your as a partner, you must have at work, you know, just put the hand on your heart and say, I'm not the only person that feels this way. Mm hmm. And I think just knowing that you're not alone in it, and help the the natural innate process of healing. Thank you. Thank you for that perfect message. And I think just listening to you is calming to the nervous system. I've heard other people say that and yeah, other people that they feel calm and good. So where can people find you if they want more of your wonderful calming, wise energy? Dr. Sweat the childhood. So Dr. SW, eta ch AE w la on all platforms. So RAM, Facebook, my website to that our doctors, the coach. So yeah, and we'll put those all in the show notes as well. But thank you so much for your time. And this was wonderful, too. Share this, this moment with you. And thank you, Jennifer, for creating this space. I love that you're sharing stories. I think that there's just because I've listened to some of your other podcasts. And there's so many there's so much advice out there, which I think can add to anxiety. Because it's like, oh, no, I need to do this. And I need to do that. I need to do that. Yeah. I think that by sharing stories, which is very much the feminine, you get you, you you you suddenly hear you'll hear something in your heart and you're like, oh, okay, that's the thing I need to weave in for me and you stories you hear, the more you're able to see the very different ways that you can respond to your own well being. Yeah, totally. Well, thank you. Thank you so much. And thanks for listening, everyone. Thank you so much for taking the time to invest in your well being. I hope you learned at least one new idea or technique that you might want to implement into your own life. Remember, you're not alone, there is hope and with the right information and support you can thrive. If you're dealing with panic are looking for a step by step process that will allow you to break free from this crippling fear state. I want to invite you to check out my panic attack Survival Guide, you can grab your free copy at www dot Jennifer bronsnick.com Thanks for listening