Anxiety-Proof Her Interview with Danielle Brooker

Life Coach, wellness enthusiast and practical positive thinker Danielle Brooker is the host of the Let it Shine podcast and founder of The Daisy Patch. There, she creates conversations about creating more joy in our lives, navigating tough decisions, and allowing ourselves to shine. Through her private coaching programmes, digital courses, and monthly Joy Club membership she’s redefining the conversation on stress and “busyness”—supporting highly ambitious, stressed-out women to reclaim their lives from busy and step into their joy.

Her new book, Freedom from Busy: Practical Strategies to Release Your Inner Control Freak and Reclaim Your Joy, is an action-oriented and approachable look into how we can break up with busy, tune into our heart's wisdom, and connect with more joy. Giving us a way to experience more fun, ease, and pleasure each day.

Find out more about Danielle’s work at www.thedaisypatch.co.uk, or connect on Instagram @thedaisypatchcoaching and LinkedIn @daniellebrooker.

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Welcome to the anxiety proof her Podcast, where amazing women come for education, inspiration and hope around healing from anxiety. Each month, you're going to hear from other women who took control of their mental health by using outside the box holistic strategies to cope with their anxiety and to ultimately thrive. You will also learn from experts in the health and wellness industry, about the tools they use every day to help their patients reclaim their well being. We hope this information allows you to see that there are many different paths to healing. I'm your host, Jennifer Bronsnick. And I'm a licensed clinical social worker, and anxiety treatment professional. I help women and teen girls who struggle with anxiety, self doubt, and perfectionism to tap into their innate resilience, get to the root of their fears, and implement custom healing strategies so that they can experience peace of mind, more self confidence and be liberated from the suffering that living with anxiety causes. I have lived with anxiety my whole life, and know how hard it can be. I also know that there is hope. And it's 100% treatable with the right information and support. Thank you so much for showing up for yourself and taking the first step to reclaiming your well being and resilience. Welcome to the anxiety prove her podcast. As always, we get started, centering, grounding and reconnecting with ourselves. Because I don't know about you. But I just feel like there's been a lot of like mental chatter happening for me that is pulling me away from my heart and from my center. So just take a moment you can leave your eyes open, there's no need to close them. And just bring your attention to the area of your heart or your chest center. And imagine as though your breath is breathing in and out from your heart center. allowing yourself to reconnect with the wisdom and beauty and creativity that exists in this place. Now activating the feeling of being connected. Because a lot of us have been alone or even with people and still feeling lonely, and not feeling this space of presence and connection. And I just want you to know that you are connected, that you are part of something greater, and your energy is needed. And that whenever you're feeling lonely, this is an invitation to just reconnect with that place that you feel connected. And whether that's connected with others connected with the divine. And trusting that they that energy is connecting with you as well so that you don't feel ever in the space of hopelessness or loneliness. And just breathing in that renewing feeling of connection. And then coming back into the present moment, ready to receive exactly what it is you need to receive. And there might be just one thing that we are talking about that you're like, Oh my gosh, this is exactly what I needed to hear. So please be open to receiving that. So I'm so excited to welcome Danielle Brooker. I've been following her in a membership that I'm in and just watching her posts and seeing what she's doing. I'm like, oh, wow, like she's pretty amazing. And then I invited her to come on and she said yes. So it was really really excited. exciting for me personally. So Danielle is away. wellness enthusiast life coach, practical, positive thinker and the host of the Let it shine podcast and founder of the daisy patch. There, she creates conversations about creating more joy in our lives, navigating tough decisions and allowing ourselves to shine through her private coaching, digital courses and monthly joy club membership. Can't wait to hear more about that. She's redefining the conversation on stress and buisiness supporting highly ambitious stressed out women to reclaim their lives from busy and to step into their joy. She also has a new book coming out, which is freedom from busy practical strategies to release your inner control freak. and reclaim your joy. It's an action oriented book, which I think is fantastic, because so often we read something, we get the inspiration that's like, Okay, what am I gonna do with that? and helps to break up the busy. And so, Tanya, thank you. Welcome. Welcome to the podcast. I'm so happy to be here. And to have this conversation with you today. I can already feel like all sorts of goodness coming up. And sorry, loved that hot entering practice. Thank you. Good. I'm so glad it's really more, you know, as much for us. The listener? You know, everybody, everybody benefits. So tell me a little bit about your own experience with anxiety. Is that something that because I hear people sometimes like I don't even know what anxiety is like, I don't know what that feeling. But I would love to know, like, if that's been your story if or if other things have showed up for you in the fear realm. Yeah. It's so interesting, because I was like taking a close look at some of your work and you know, your beautiful teachings in the world, I was thinking of the difference between like xiety, and anxiousness. And I was wondering if, you know, like, there was this period of my period of my life that I described as my kind of complete burnout period, like, for lack of a better description, I sometimes feel like, you know, that description of burnout is not enough because like to describe an experience. And it means something so different to everyone. But, you know, to keep it short and succinct, that's what I'll call it. And I think of that time in my life, I was really intent on keeping it all together. I was, you know, the classic High Achiever, although I might not have had those words to describe that experience at the time. And I was waking up with this pit in my stomach every single day, I was waking up with like that feeling like, what have I forgotten? What am I missing? You know, who do I need to talk to today? Have I finished all those things? You know, like, like, it was immediate, and it was very physical. And I don't think if someone said to me at the time, oh, you're experiencing anxiousness, or you're, you know, oh, that's anxiety, I would have pushed it away. Like, I really wouldn't have thought much of it, I would have just said, No, no, I'm just stressed. Like, that's how I would have described it. And I think that really speaks to that, you know, high achiever in us that, you know, the ambitious side of ourselves that can get a little bit carried away at times, and maybe not want to sit in the feeling and the discomfort of it and actually acknowledge it for what it is. So when I think of it now, I think of it as being our Oh, yeah. Like, I really recognize my feelings. I'm so much more in tune with my emotions, my thoughts, my feelings, my, like, physical sensations now that I noticed, like, you know, almost like the anxious jitters and like, immediately, I'm questioning it. I'm like, okay, cool, like, What's going on here? Where is this coming from? You know, it's much more gentler, and so I don't have that kind of extreme version of it now. But in hindsight, I'm like, Oh, I get where I, you know, I get where that goes to. I mean, I even have one experience, it's pretty vivid, in my memory of being away on holidays, you know, with my partner, and my in laws, and they would never have known that this was even going on Come to think of it, you know, sharing it here for the first time. But like, there was this night where I was literally just awake all night with pains in my stomach curled up on, you know, on the floor, not even on the bed and my partner saying you sure you don't want to like go to a hospital or something? And I was like, No, no, no, no, it's not a like, no, it's not a hospital pain. Like it's just, this is like, this pain is not going anywhere. And yeah, so I have like lots of those kind of moments that at the time, I didn't have all the I didn't I just didn't have the wisdom or the tools or the awareness to know that everything's connected. Right? So I was just thinking, Oh, no, I ate something bad. Or I was thinking, Oh, I just had a stressful day or no, no, I just need to it's just because I'm worried about work at the moment, there was always a reason, a reason for that experience. Would you say that you at that time in your life, we're surrounded by other people that sort of made it like normal, like that amount of stress, like, Oh, that's just normal. Like, this is what we do this is this is being an adult. You know, what it was, to me is, I would look around and think nobody else is stressed. So there must be something wrong with me, everyone else is like, these powerhouses, I work with these incredibly smart, intelligent, capable people. And I would look at how, like, own they were, like, they were just on it, they were driven, they were passionate about like, Alright, well, they don't experience stress, then. So I'm, I must be doing it wrong. And so it was less that I could see all the stress around me and more that I could see like, from at least from the outside looking in, these people have it together. And, and therefore, in order to kind of do well to achieve to play the part. Although I wouldn't have used that language at the time. I need to have it all together as well. So whatever is going on, on the inside, I must hide that and just like, go and figure out a way to fix it. Separately, though, like I have to treat this separately. Right? Like it's a secret. Yeah, yeah. Because if I knew that, well, then I'd be weak. And like, maybe then my boss wouldn't promote me or give me that new project that I'm actually really excited to work on it. And you know, like, what would they be? If I have it together? Because I'm seen as the person who's capable and always so friendly and able to help everyone else around me, you know, but, you know, I don't want to admit that. There's this other stuff going on. Yeah. So those morning, panic, you know, morning cortisol explosions. Did that lead to a pivot did that was that as you look back on it now, like, was it the catalyst to make you do something different in your life? Sorry, I wouldn't say that it was the morning wake up. I think in some ways, I got really comfortable with that feeling. And I almost attributed it to it attributed to doing well or like success, it's like, oh, well, I'm just worried about work. And that's okay, cuz I'm going to go and fix it. I'm going to get to work. And, um, you know, like, it was kind of those were the thoughts that were rushing through me, okay, the pivot moment, there, were actually there are a couple of kind of cold paces of my like, pivot moment. One of them was very much, you know, physical symptoms, I was having digestive issues, I was having migraines, and the migraines were getting to a point where, like, you know, the doctor, you know, the doctor was giving me whatever, strongest thing that she had available. And I was like, it's not doing anything. She's like, No, honey, this is supposed to do something like, it's not doing anything. Fix me. Yeah, like, make it, make it do something, you know, I would sleep for a few hours, but I'd still wake up feeling awful. So that was one part of it. And, and there was this other part of it, which are trying telling us synced way. But it has, like so many moving aspects, which was, and essentially lots of seeds have been planted. It was a busy time of my life in terms of, you know, Job was really busy. We were short staffed, I was working on some really cool, exciting projects. I was studying my Masters full time. So I was like, at work on the weekends during assignments, you know, and still thinking I could, you know, keep it all together socially and everything. And I've had this moment where I've essentially chosen to book a trip to volunteer in Kenya, it had been a lifelong dream. And it just was just one of those light bulb moments where I just didn't think about anything, it was completely heart LED. And, you know, fast track, you know, I was I was a slow mover, my pivot was very slow. So that was a seed that was planted in terms of trying to feel good and knowing that I needed some sort of something had to change that was almost like I was trying to make it change. Coming back from that. On the back of that experience. You get to attend this like personal empowerment weekend. And I've always loved you know, self help and personal development. I'm always like putting my hand up all the workshops at work. I was like, Yes, I want to train. What is it? I don't care, I'll do it. And so at this particular weekend, surrounded by coaches, and I'd never really known that coaching was a thing in terms of like a profession, or in terms of like, yeah, people like making it that That job, All I knew is like, Oh, well, this is a workshop facilitator or a, you know, management trainer, it was always in that context. And so this weekend was incredible. There were a lot of tears, a lot of laughter really, you know, connected with the community that just felt right for me. And as part of that entire experience, you could put your Put your hand up for some free coaching conversations. And I was thinking at that time that you know, the pivot was going to be a career pivot I needed, maybe I need to advance my career reached a dead end, I need to try a different pathway, but not like, completely different to what I was doing more of an advancement auditioning. And I had these series of coaching conversations, I kind of went to every single coach available, nobody else was putting their name down. I was like, Alright, I'll do it. Thinking I can get some free career advice, you know, help me out. I'm feeling stuck, feeling frustrated. And there was this one very powerful conversation that essentially this beautiful woman who was integrating coaching and therapy techniques in her work, she barely said anything, I just started crying. And she she essentially asked me the question of, like, what's the one thing that would make all the difference right now? Like, what do you really need is essentially what she asked, and I didn't even you know, the words just came out of my mouth. And I couldn't turn around from that point. And it was to take two weeks off work. That's all I wanted. That's all I said, I want two weeks off work. And having stated it out loud, there was no turning around, and I was petrified. I was so scared, I thought, you know, alright, like, I've told this woman now I have to go and follow through, when I get back, because it was away from my home city. Like, oh, when I get back home, I'm gonna like, Oh my god, that means I have to pick up the phone to my boss and not go to work, oh, my God, I'm gonna have to like go speak to a doctor and say, give me time off work. You know, it was the reality of it started to kick in. But as much as there was this fear and anxiousness in my body, there was also a sensation of relief, and almost excitement. So it was like, a melting pot. And for me, that was that that was the combination, like seeds have been planted. But that was really the big pivot. It was, you know, more emotional than physical. Actually, when I think of that response, you know, it was these emotions were just bottling had been bottled up and suddenly were pouring out of me. Right? That's what I needed face. So can you talk a little bit about buisiness? Because like what I'm hearing, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, it seems like the buisiness was like almost a coping tool, but that it was not working like it was not, you know, giving you the actual relief and peace that you wanted. It was just like, I have to stay busy. And then Okay, what if I take these two weeks off? Like, what am I going to do with this busy energy? Like, where is that going to go? Like, what's going to happen then? And so can you talk either from your own perspective or your work? You know, what you do with your clients around that? That fear? Absolutely. That's like that spot on. And, you know, at the time, I wouldn't have even identified with being a busy person. You know, if someone said to me, oh, you know, like, and people would, Oh, you're so busy. Why don't you just like, not commit to that or not do that I would like this. This, you know, firing me would be like, busy, this is just my life. And don't you understand that, you know, so, absolutely. The buisiness you know, and this, this is from my experiences is also the work I do with my clients, I help them to see that busy is not just your Things To Do list, you know, busy is not just all of those commitments and plates that feel like spinning, you know, projects at work, getting the promotion, you know, wanting to start a family move, how taking care of, you know, your family, your children, your your parents, your siblings, you know, whatever it is for you. That's usually when we think or I'm so busy. You ask someone, how are you today, I'm so busy. So basically, most of the time what they're sensing or suggesting is the surface level stuff is that I have a lot on, like literally look at my diary. It's very cool. And I'm feeling the pressure of like the urgency of getting things done. But how I really come to look at it, and I think this is the compensation we really need to be having is seeing that, that there's a there's a root cause to the buisiness which is exactly what you started to kind of pinpoint there, which is that it's a it's a behavioral Passion, it's a cycle in your life of Yeah, like, you can look at it as a coping mechanism. For me, it was almost a numbing technique. And I, you know, and that, that's why that pivot moment was so scary for me, because if I was keeping busy, I didn't have to feel some of the uncomfortable stuff that was coming up, whether it was, you know, like, even some of those anxious feelings, if I just got busy, I could kind of push them away. And, you know, if they had too much going on in my diary on the weekend, I didn't have to sit and feel a little bit sad, or lonely or frustrated with the results in my life or just disconnected. And in some ways, what I've come to see in this is now what I teach in terms of reclaiming your joy. When you're numbing yourself from some of the uncomfortable feelings, you know, through through something like busy, what you're actually doing, and potentially not realizing it at the time is numbing yourself from the beautiful emotions that you do want to experience, you know, you know, if we know our pain, we also know our joy. And there's, you know, a fabulous Rene brown quote, which is, let me make sure I kind of get it phrasing, right. So essentially, we cannot selectively numb our emotions. And to me, that was just so powerful, and realizing, oh, if I keep masking it with the surface level busy, like all this stuff, and don't acknowledge that what's beneath the surface, what I'm really doing is stopping myself from all of the joyful, pleasurable, you know, excitement, or anticipation type feelings that I could be experiencing in my life as well. We can't kind of pick and choose. That makes sense? Absolutely. I think that is such a powerful mindset. And you know, a lot of what I teach, because I only treat, in my private practice people that have anxiety. And, you know, the first step is recognizing that it's not going anywhere. And that really the only way that you're ever going to move past it is to go on offense with it, basically. So it's just saying, like, bring it on. And not in a mean way. You know, not like, Oh, you have no coping tools, like go like figure it out? Like, no, it's Let's learn some coping tools. So that, you know, like, what this actually is that's happening in your body, and so that you still move forward. And you know, that is transformational for people. Because once you stop that resistance like that, pushing it away, because what happens when you're pushing it away is that it's ultimately coming back stronger, like you just doesn't work. And so I totally love that. So in your work, and maybe you can pull from your book, maybe there's something in there, what would be a starting point, you know, someone that like is listening, they're really resonating with like, oh, wow, like, I am really busy. And I'm afraid there's a fear of relaxing, or a fear of resting or taking a pause or break. What would be something that's simple and doesn't feel too overwhelming that you would recommend to them? So one of the first things that comes to mind is, I guess, just playing with this concept or kind of shifting your attention to the idea that what if the buisiness wasn't actually in your diary? What if the business wasn't about all the things you feel like you need to take care of in your life right now? And what if you could see buisiness through a lens of like, what's in your head? So I and I talked about this in, in my book in terms of have this running joke with my partner, he's very high energy, one of those people who can lie. He's details oriented, will think at a million miles an hour, we'll be having five conversations at one time, and I'll be going, Okay, like, Can we just close some of those tabs, we have too many tabs open. like can we just let us deal with the one type or I'll literally say in a conversation, I'll be like, okay, we finished with this tab. Let's close it because I'm someone who really just needs that kind of spaciousness, and I am very like kinesthetic and visual like I need to be, you know, seeing it or like experiencing it. And there's nothing wrong with either approach, but what I've noticed is when I'm in that busy state, and the feelings start to come up in terms of, you know, anxiousness or pressure or stress I've had to question myself many times to actually check in and go, what am I really busy? Is that really true? I saw something that is similar question that you asked in one of your blog posts, essentially, you know, checking in and being like, well, is that true is that, you know, a reality right now. And I actually caught myself out a few months ago on this, because, you know, having had my freedom from busy experience, having, you know, taught this work, I actually banned the word not banned. That sounds too strong, but I've removed the word busy from my vocabulary, right? You know, I find myself saying, Oh, I'm so busy, I actually catch myself and go, Well, what am I really like? And if it's a, you know, joyful feeling, and like, I've got lots many exciting things in my calendar, for example, I will say, Well, I have a very full schedule this week. But it doesn't mean you know, and that's just because I've associated the word busy with all of those feelings, like, you know, would like to let go on. And so I had this experience recently, I was going for a walk with my partner, and I found myself chatting away and going, Oh, my God, I'm so busy. And I was like, Whoa, like, Where did that word come from? Like, and I have to stop and I went, Oh, hang on a second. Let me think about it. I'm not busy, literally open up my diary for that particular weekend, there was pretty much nothing in it. I've created a, you know, a routine and a rhythm where I have plenty of spaciousness, and I was like, Well, why do I feel those sensations of busy? And for me, it was because my brain was going on overload. I had so many things that I was trying to figure out or over, analyze, or rationalize or make decisions on. And I just realized in that moment, I'm like, the business is in my head right now. And I think if you know, if I could offer that as an invitation as a starting point for anyone to just entertain that idea of like, okay, am I really busy? Or like, Where is the business act? Like, where am I experiencing the business? You know, could it be that it's in my head, and if it's in my head, you've got a starting point to actually start to dissipate that or, you know, like, I'm almost picturing like, a very busy, chaotic, like, someone's ransacked the library up there, and you have to, like, come in, like reorder the books and dust that you know, you know, clear. Yeah, exactly. And, you know, I think that's a really cool starting point. Because what, at least for me, what that gives me is a sense of relief, like, Oh, actually, that's internal. So I it is in my control, whereas when there's a whole bunch of things external to you, that's pretty much out of your control. Right? Yeah, I really resonate with that mental buisiness. And sometimes it's just, I get excited, I get enthusiastic about ideas and things I want to do. And then I realize, like, wow, the idea was fun. But actual, like, holy, every month it takes to do that thing is, it takes more time than sometimes I recognize, so I love that. Just that question of, you know, am I really busy? Or is this like, mental buisiness that I can just say, you know, what, I'm not going to do that, you know, like, I changed my mind, you know, I'm not going to run this program, or offer this, whatever market this thing. So that makes a lot of sense to me, that really would touch on, you know, almost a, you know, a jewel starting point or a number two, which would be like when you start to ask them or, you know, what, could I clear, you know, you're tuning into what would feel good? You know, for me, it was that sense of, you know, anytime I could clear my diary, I would feel the sense of relief. Like, Oh, that feels good. Yeah, what if I could sit at a coffee shop for a few hours on myself, Oh, that feels good, you know, starting to pay attention to what feels good. And I would actually take it to a whole new level and say, and, you know, it's almost counterintuitive, but when you're feeling in that state, to actually take on a practice of joy in your life to actually take on in that moment, like treating, treating joy in a way that you would prioritize writing in your journal or going to a doctor's appointment, sitting on your yoga mat for 10 minutes, you know, like, just any of these integrative techniques and tools that we use. It still it like it just sounds it's it often sounds weird when I say that they have like, you need to practice joy. Everyone's like, No, no, I like oh, Joy is fun. Joy's feeling good. I do that all the time. Or like, yeah, yeah, I'll get to it when I'm when I'm finished taking care of all this other stuff. But my take on it is actually that we're not prioritizing it. Because it always gets left to the backburner. And when we're in a state of dizziness or anxiousness, The very thought of joy feels so far and feels so alien. It feels unattainable to us. So I actually suggest that people really prioritize a joy practice in their life. And what I mean by that is Get to know your own joy, and get to know it, you know, particularly on the days when you're feeling more joyful, sure, because it's, you know, easier to go to. But the more that you can get into the habit of knowing like, how do you define it? What does it feel like when it reaches your body? What are some of the, you know, the things that bring it to you, or the moments that bring it to you, it means that when you are having those very stressed out, strained, anxious moments, you have created the neurological wiring to even know that there's a joy pathway. So you might not like I'm not suggesting you're going to jump from like deep stress into like exuberant joy in an instant. But what you do know is that it's almost as if you're like, you're in, you know, inside your head and inside your brain, and you're going, Oh, suddenly, this like road is lit up, like all the street lights are suddenly turned on, you're like, oh, oh, I can't take that road. Whereas before it was pitch pitch black. But we need to, we actually need to practice it. I'm surprised how many people you know, yeah, don't you know, we think of feeling good. It comes easily, but it doesn't. I think it's something that we've forgotten about. And I'm surprised at how many people can't actually articulate what joy is for them, or what makes them feel good. Or, you know, it's a bit way of a confusing space to begin with. Yeah. You know, it's also, no one ever teaches that, you know, like, that's not our primary education. It's about business. It's about work. It's about getting stuff done. It's about accomplishment. And so to say, Well, what brings you joy, you know, is sort of like, okay, joy, what are you talking about? And it's a practice, like, it takes a lot of practice to find, and it's also very personal, I think, you know, what brings me joy, like, I love learning, studying, like, I'm like a total, you know, book nerd person, like, give me a course. And I'm, like, bursting with joy. But my husband, like, give him a fast car, you know, like, let him drive, you know, like, that brings him joy. So it's not about looking to other people. Also, I think to find that it sounds like your book will, you know, give people that ability to go within, to really tap into what that language like that word joy even means. So go ahead, go. Connect the dots there with enjoying busy as well is, you know, really, when I look at buisiness as a pattern of trying to gain back control, because you know, there's so much uncertainty in life or the feelings of anxiousness, feel uncertain or unwelcome, that we try and do something to feel to bring us back to your place of certainty. And that's kind of that's what a control technique is, I want to feel certain. And when we've been running the busy pattern for so long, it's so easy to just go back there, even if it's not working for us, even if you know that you're stressed and you don't want to keep doing it, it in some way, shape or form does feel like a safer, more certain choice. And what's really interesting with a which is one I tell people practice joy make it feel certain make it feel safe, because when we joined it, you know, Joy actually is really uncertain. It's you know, it can feel almost like adventurous to go there and when you've already got a lot of you know, maybe uncertainty in your life that can feel like things are going out of control, which is another reason why I don't think we allow ourselves to experience it. So is there a message of hope for someone that is listening that maybe is in their mind feeling just like you said like joy feels irresponsible joy feels scary that like danger comes from joy, especially you know, people raised in the you know, puritanical historical household of you know, that suffering is how you you know, gain your value. What would you say to someone like that? Sorry, first of all, like my message of hope, and this, you know, this applies to joy. This also applies to business, you know, anxiousness. Whatever your experiences right now. My message of hope is that can be can be easy. Like it really can be easy. And, you know, it's one of the messages that I live my life. Like, how can I make this easy every single day? whether whether it is how can I make this eat just a little bit easier this experience of anxiety right now? How can I make? How can I break down this, you know, momentous task into smaller steps? How can I make it easy to experience joy? If that feels too foreign to me, if that feels too scary to unknown, or not even permissible? How can I make it really easy. And on the back of that, you know, not only is it my belief, there are actually, you know, studies and research behind the power of experiencing more joy in your body. And, you know, it really is your strength, it can be seen as your superpower. So if you're feeling wobbly or unsure, or just wanting that boost of confidence, My belief is that when you can live and lead from a place of joy, you're actually coming from a place of deep grounding. You know, for me, I describe it as, like, when I'm in my place of deep joy, I'm grounded, I am calm, I'm clear. And that means I am far more powerful and stronger to handle whatever life throws at me, you know, the good, the bad, the in between, you know, whatever it is. So how can you make it easy. And remember that joy is actually your strength. I love that. So thank you so much for sharing your wisdom, definitely go check out the book, freedom from busy practical solutions to release your inner control freak and reclaim your joy. So where can people go to check out the book to learn more about you. So to check out the book, you can head to freedom from v.com all of the details, links, etc there and actually that alive, you can download a free chapter preview. And if you head over that all link up to my website to freedom from busy.com. And then my business umbrella is the daisy patch so you can find me at the daisy patch.co.uk and based in the UK at the moment, even though my accent sounds funny, I'm actually from Australia. What else can I tell you and on Instagram, that's my other favorite place to hang out at the daisy patch coaching. Yeah, I love connecting with people over there. Awesome. Well, thank you. Thank you for being here. Thank you everybody for tuning in, and wonderful day. Thank you so much for taking the time to invest in your well being. I hope you learned at least one new idea or technique that you might want to implement into your own life. Remember, you're not alone, there is hope and with the right information and support you can thrive. If you're dealing with panic are looking for a step by step process that will allow you to break free from this crippling fear state. I want to invite you to check out my panic attack Survival Guide, you can grab your free copy at www dot Jennifer bronsnick.com Thanks for listening