Getting Deep into Training Methodologies and the Future of Fitness

Chad and Adam sit down with Greg Nyhof owner and trainer of 1440 Affiliate.

We talk about Greg attacking an Ultra marathon, his first take on endurance and how he approached training. We talk about his competitive experience in Football and dive into CrossFit and endurance sport.

Lastly the guys dive into what the Future of Fitness might look like.

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Chad [0:06 - 0:22]
community of members, coaches and professionals working as a team of like minded individuals in constant pursuit, connecting this exclusive group with the tools and resources they require to live a high performance lifestyle, conquering what life has thrown at them. We are living the fit life. Mhm

Chad [0:26 - 0:48]
Welcome to living to fit like podcast, episode 55. I'm your host, Chad Miller and today I will be joined by coach, a DJ, Adam Dijon, but he's running a little bit late, getting his hair did um but I got our, our host and one of our local fitness freaks in the KW community, Greg nigh half owner and trainer of 1440 has going to Greg,

Greg [0:50 - 0:51]
Thanks for having me,

Chad [0:51 - 1:04]
Yes, real pleasure having you on the pod. For those who follow Greg, he's a beast tall dude like myself, tall and strong. I think

Greg [1:04 - 1:06]
that's how, that's how we got connected.

Chad [1:06 - 1:17]
That's right, that's right, that's right. I called you out on the gluten in oats, I think it was and then we met and I was like, I'm a pretty tall guy, but then I saw you, I'm like, holy sh it, this guy's got a few inches

Greg [1:18 - 1:50]
that let's, let's add a point of clarification to that chad out of the blue commented on one of my instagram stories aren't all oats, gluten free and I was like, who the hell is this guy? Like what is like, I don't know, probably all oats are gluten free. I'm just out here, trying to help people make a healthy breakfast and Chad comes at me with that one and then I realized he was like 7ft tall as well. So we have a we have a bond that not many other people understand in this community. Good.

Chad [1:50 - 2:04]
100 then we met at one of the, one of the gyms at some point. I was like, oh my God. And I completely forgot. And then he called me out. I was like, yeah you're right. I called you out. Here

Greg [2:04 - 2:06]
comes Adam's haircut. There he is.

Adam [2:06 - 2:12]
Oh, jimmy

Greg [2:12 - 2:14]
jimmy neutron has joined the chat.

Adam [2:15 - 2:16]
You

Greg [2:16 - 2:17]
like that?

Chad [2:17 - 2:29]
Yeah, it's a new feature for living the podcast. Gonna start posting our videos. So you got to see uh see what we're talking about. But Coach D. J. Is looking pretty solid there looking looking

Adam [2:29 - 2:33]
slick. You can't tell them on

Greg [2:33 - 2:35]
the road. Like a real ceo to this is

Chad [2:35 - 2:36]
legit.

Adam [2:36 - 2:37]
How

Greg [2:37 - 2:38]
about that

Adam [2:38 - 2:41]
hustling haircuts? Midday, just hustle.

Greg [2:42 - 2:44]
That's a real business executive move. I like

Chad [2:44 - 2:45]
it. I like

Adam [2:45 - 2:46]
it. Well,

Chad [2:46 - 3:13]
thanks for joining Adam. Um Yeah Greg so like uh We're we're uh June 24, we're recording this a few days after your big intro into endurance sports. I mean I guess first off, like You're 6, 6-40 big dude, You jumped into a 50K. Ultra race. How how's the body feeling? Few days after

Greg [3:14 - 3:22]
I that First of all, thank you. The height is a little bit padded there. I'm 64.

Chad [3:22 - 3:24]
I

Greg [3:24 - 3:50]
Do look up. I do look up to Chat. I just, you know, someone's gonna hear 66 and I don't want to misrepresent myself. 64. The 2 40 is accurate though. I did see a 2 39 on the scale last week, which was concerning before the ultramarathon. But um no, we're we're almost a week out. It was it was last saturday and I'm not just saying this because we're in a podcast. I feel pretty good.

Chad [3:50 - 3:51]
So I

Greg [3:51 - 3:53]
think that was a good you

Chad [3:53 - 3:56]
look fresh. I mean we didn't we didn't schedule this for the monday after for a reason,

Greg [3:57 - 4:03]
saturday afterwards would have been pretty bad. I think even monday I was I was probably okay.

Chad [4:04 - 4:05]
Okay, recovered quick

Greg [4:05 - 4:06]
then.

Chad [4:06 - 4:07]
Nice.

Greg [4:07 - 4:09]
Yeah, I think so. I think so.

Chad [4:09 - 4:22]
And I was gonna ask you adam An ultra 50 k ultra in the endurance world since you are an endurance expert. Would you compare that to an ironman or half Ironman or is there anything you compare that to?

Adam [4:25 - 5:33]
I told you this before chat when we were, when we were preparing to have Greg on the podcast, I said, man, this is like No Joke, 50K. You know the the thing about triathlon or Iron Man and you get to do three different sports when you choose to do an ultramarathon, you're in it, you're in it for the long haul and you only get to, you know, be on foot so your body just takes a beating and I think, I think Greg his comment about his recovery is a sign like, if you did the work or not to prepare, that kind of dictates how long your recovery is gonna take. So pretty impressive that it also tells me you had a little more in the tank too, but whatever we'll get, we'll get our No, I'm just that it's amazing. Like first time around most people, They don't prepare enough 1, 2, they don't have, obviously you had a good wingman because you guys paste it super smart and you were even the whole time I saw you said your last k was your best K. And so that's that's impressive.

Greg [5:33 - 6:57]
Thanks man. No, I, I appreciate that. And it's funny you mentioned that like, about preparing appropriately, because Now a week removed in hindsight, like knowing how bad 43-48 felt as I kind of like, recapped in my newsletter today, and this is something I expected we would talk about. I actually wish I would have run further in the training run. Like our longest training run was 35 km two weeks before the race. And aside from that preparation, I didn't do a whole lot of research as far as like, you know, how far should I be running to prepare for a 50 K ultra. I just knew that personally, I needed to hit a certain amount of mileage, I guess kilometer edge, if that's the thing, um, in order to feel like comfortable with Taking on 50 km, but Like I said, in hindsight, I wish we would have done a training run that was over 40 km because once we hit 36, we were in kind of uncharted territory and I think, You know, five km on its own doesn't seem like much, but anything over 40 all of a sudden, it's a very different game. And I think that's why marathons are 42 km and Adam could probably speak to that a lot more detail than I can, because he's run a few of them.

Adam [7:00 - 8:05]
Yeah, I don't know that. I don't know the science behind the kind of training plan for 50 k, but I know for a marathon like your longest run is usually around that 35 k mark. So it probably makes sense that you would have stretched it out ideally to usually it's time based, right? So you're usually like trying to target like a similar amount of time on your feet that it's going to take you to do the race. So that, you know, instead of like, oh man, I'm 35 K and you're like, okay, I'm, you know, four hours in or whatever it might be at that time. But yeah, you're I think, you know, you taper going into the race. So in theory that will, that will give you a little a few extra Ks. Right? And then you would have had a lot of weekly mileage going into that 35 K run too. So you did, you did most things pretty damn right. Which is cool.

Chad [8:06 - 8:18]
Yeah, I, I wanna like, let's just send it here on the podcast and you really get into this endurance thing because I think for most people that follow you Greg, you're not an endurance athlete. So I have to ask the first question

Greg [8:18 - 8:18]
like,

Chad [8:19 - 8:30]
why did you get where does the idea come from to jump into endurance and then why take on this, Go big or go home mentality as soon as you jump into it?

Greg [8:33 - 8:40]
Yeah, that's a good question. Um, I'm not sure if I have like, a really profound answer to that. Um,

Chad [8:41 - 8:41]
if

Greg [8:41 - 10:20]
I'm being honest, like I did, I did cross it a lot for a long time, right? And that was kind of how I met. Um well, it's kind of how I met you guys and spend a lot of time with the pole skis who just had on the podcast too. And I think you get used to like that, that pain and suffering that's associated with crossfit and, and using that to transition start my own business and just like spend a ton of time in a, in a functional fitness space. Crossfit in the last probably five years has become like very gym specific, right? Especially if you want to train for the open and progress through those first few stages and then you get to the crossfit games and things are like a lot more interesting as far as you've got outdoor events, you've got swimming, paddling, running and like more endurance components that, that you guys incorporate into your training as well. And I think the truth is that I just, I started to just feel like really sick of being in the gym and wanting to be outside more and and testing my fitness that way. So that was one draw. And then in terms of taking on 50 K, like the first thing my wife asked me when I signed up, she was like, you've never even done a marathon And I was like, yeah, I'm aware. Um but my meat head logic was like, well if you can run 42, you can probably run 50. Um and I really regretted that During the miserable stretch of the 50 K run, that was 43 to 48 km. Um

Adam [10:21 - 10:24]
That was her, that was her telling you it

Greg [10:24 - 10:25]
was, yeah,

Adam [10:25 - 10:27]
told you, Yeah,

Greg [10:27 - 11:51]
and as much as it pains me to say, she was probably right. Um but I think we were both right, because I had the confidence of like, x number of years of training, whether it was crossfit or strengthen conditioning for football or like a little bit of endurance train that I had done leading up to the 50 k, it's like, well, I know what it feels like to be uncomfortable and so I can count on that for 5 to 7 kilometers, even if the training isn't quite there, so and it really comes down to, I just wanted to do something, I wanted to do something that was going to challenge me in a totally different sport where I had like nothing to compare it to, because that's the hardest part about training with guys like Adam and nick and having this like 10 Year history of crossfit and strength and conditioning, It's like you can hit a great snatch or you can hit a really solid Fran time or a murph time, But you're gonna look back and say, well, in 2017, when everything was different, you know, I was 13 minutes faster on murph or you can do it next to polski and he's already on his second lap and you're just, you know, chipping away at your push ups. And so for some reason, when they transition to an endurance sport, it's like, I'm not actually worried about, I'm not going to this race to win. I'm going to the race because I want to see if I can run 50 km.

Chad [11:54 - 12:43]
That's awesome. I love that. I love yeah, that's yeah, I love that, I love that. You're just curious. You want to test yourself and and like just jump in completely. I mean, it sounded like you're fairly confident, like, I mean, you didn't seek out sort of an endurance coach. Like I guess my question, I guess another question would be like you seem pretty confident with your base knowledge of fitness that you could sort of pivot and sort of transform that into an endurance sport, which, I mean, in terms isn't crazy different. It's still a feat of strength and fitness. So you felt pretty confidently that you could sort of with the knowledge that you had, you could sort of build up a training program that would be suitable for yourself. That would get you pretty close. Like you felt pretty confident in your training plan. Obviously you said you recovered. So like Adam was saying, it sounds like you were pretty successful.

Greg [12:46 - 13:59]
Yeah, I think so. I mean, there was there was certainly some trial and error along the way. I guess another reason why I wanted to do this is because it was going to force me to be really consistent. It's pretty easy to waiver on a training plan that you create for yourself when you train on your own, when you don't have anything to train for because this week it's like, well, I feel like lifting heavy, so I'm going to lift heavy this week, but I probably wouldn't behave that way if I was preparing for a power lifting meet, right? Because any coach would say, well you just totally interrupted the purity ization of this plan if power lifting with your goal. So having a date on the calendar that was X number of weeks away forced me to be a little bit more disciplined and consistent and say like, well, I can't just put on my shoes and and run whatever distance I feel like like I need to manage my training volume in a way that's going to help me peak and taper for this event. And so that was a big thing that I think helped with not only the confidence, but just help me personally stay a little bit more consistent with my training, which is something that I think I've kind of lacked in the last couple of years.

Adam [14:02 - 14:38]
Yeah, there's nothing like the accountability of endurance training and consistency because if, I mean it's the same in the gym, but your, your risk of injury. If you try to do anything, I would have out of plan or out of order, it's just so high. You know, you can't go from 10-K a week to 40 K a week and expect to keep that trend going. You have to, you have to be on a progressive build um to achieve success. So it's so true.

Greg [14:38 - 15:45]
Yeah. And that was always kind of in the back of my mind was like, and running is one of those things that's, it's unlike, I guess I should say endurance because I'm sure it's the same with triathlons for you adam. But yeah, those sports are like, it's not like most of the time a power clean feels the same, sure, some days you've got a little bit more snap in the hip and things, you know, your timing seems to be better, but I always find it interesting how you can go out for a run on Tuesday and it feels absolutely terrible and then you can go for a run on thursday, and it's like, well, I could run all day if I wanted to. Like, I don't know if I've ever experienced anything that can be so varied and so on those runs when I felt really good, that was always in the back of my mind, like, I can't just add mileage because I feel good because hard runs are coming and at the same time, I can't just, you know, mind over matter this run and totally botched this week's training volume because that's going to mess up next week and then, you know, I'm gonna really be paying for this on race day,

Chad [15:47 - 15:49]
I think. Yeah,

Adam [15:49 - 17:15]
yeah, yeah. You're, you're, you remind your reminding me so much of I got into it, endurance training and triathlon for exactly the same reason. Just like looking for something different. Looking for a challenge that was like, not me versus everyone else, it was just me versus me and I want to conquer this and finish this, but the training style as well, when I first started just like, you just tons of athletic experience and, you know, suffering and persevering, like I just trained obviously following some structure but more off like when I had the confidence to do the race, like I knew that was a feeling not necessarily like targeted number of hours or kilometers. It was more just like, okay, like you said, I know I can get seven more kilometers out of myself just from experience as an athlete, you know, and that's so true and we try to explain this to even experience athletes like in their particular sport, like you really have to feel prepared and feel ready in order to succeed whether you are, you aren't, it's mentally, you have to feel like you can do this and you can, you can crush it. Yeah,

Greg [17:16 - 18:34]
that's that's such a good point and to compare it to past sport experiences. I actually wrote about this in one of my newsletters um that the title of that essay was called haze in the bar. And that's, I don't know if you ever heard that expression playing hockey adam. Mhm. Our football coaches would always say it when I was at Laurier and I was always kind of like, you know, it be friday night walk through the day before a big game and I was like, yeah, we did everything, we did the practices, we watched the film. But personally you were always kind of like, was it enough, you know, like there's there's too many things that you can't control tomorrow, like the weather, the other team, You know the 11 other guys on the field? You know, you can you have a much smaller scope of control and I think training for this race like the week leading up to it knowing that like I did, I ran the kilometers, I was supposed to run for the last four months, I did the long training run and I think this was the first time we actually felt like excited because I actually was like yeah the haze in the barn, like there's nothing else that I need to do, I can rest and I was actually excited to to run the race and that's something I don't think I've ever experienced before, which is pretty cool.

Chad [18:35 - 18:35]
That's awesome.

Adam [18:37 - 18:42]
I'm using that more often. Yeah,

Greg [18:42 - 18:45]
I thought that would be one that D. J. Would like

Adam [18:46 - 18:52]
anyone who's never been in a locker room will just die when you hear that. But

Chad [18:53 - 18:53]
yeah

Adam [18:54 - 18:55]
it is totally

Chad [18:55 - 19:25]
and I mean like I have to ask, I know Adam's been uh don't say criticized but labeled as a pretty big dude in the endurance world. Obviously Adam looks like a strong person. Um he doesn't have the stature that you have Greg but like you're mentioning to I think a few times in your socials about sort of the Clydesdale endurance, like you're a big deal. Like I got like were there any sort of chatter any looks that you're getting on your race, like what are you doing here? Like, what is this guy doing?

Greg [19:27 - 19:29]
Um, If there were, I didn't pick

Chad [19:29 - 19:30]
up. Okay,

Greg [19:31 - 20:13]
that's what's interesting about these races though. I think I certainly had it in my mind and, and you know, adam, well, both of you guys are great examples of like not succumbing to your stereotypes. And I think that's something that I think about a lot, right? Someone will look at you and assume that, okay, you're a hockey player guy. So you're going to be really good at the high intensity anaerobic efforts, which you are, but you can also go and do an Ironman triathlon, which is pretty damn cool. And I think it's a great representation of just like what it means to actually plan, prepare and train for something. And the Clydesdale run club thing was, it's kind of a joke, but also not a joke.

Chad [20:14 - 20:14]
That's great.

Greg [20:14 - 20:51]
I bought, I bought the domain and that's a story from the first organized race I ever did with my wife who is my girlfriend at the time, We did the Waterloo 10-K and this is back when I was like, I'm doing cross it. I can do anything. And I wasn't doing much running. And I got absolutely crucified by this 10-K run and uh, I have like beats headphones on and she had headphones on and we ran next to each other the entire time. Our pace is all over the place. It was like 100° in the shade and this old guy ran up behind me and he was like, are you in the Clydesdale

Chad [20:51 - 20:52]
category?

Greg [20:52 - 21:07]
And I was like, I don't even, don't even know what that means. And he just kind of like, he just blew by me and this guy was like 95 years old and uh, That just like stuck with me for a long time. I looked it up afterwards and it's any runner in an endurance event that's over £200,

Adam [21:07 - 21:08]
but there's

Greg [21:08 - 21:17]
not actually like an explicit category for it, but it just kind of stuck. And a lot of times when I'm, especially when I'm going downhill, I feel a bit like a, like a main

Adam [21:17 - 21:19]
horse when

Greg [21:19 - 21:26]
I'm tired on those runs, but I think it's gonna stick man. I don't know what it's going to be yet, but I bought the domain so we'll see what happens.

Chad [21:26 - 21:49]
Hey man, I love it. I'm involved in any way capacity that you wanted to be. I love it. I love it. I mean We have to embrace it right? Like I know I've heard like in crossfit like the rig shaker, I know a bunch of commentators talk about some of the tall athletes, you know, so called 6 to close to £200 tall athletes, but like you gotta embrace that kind of stuff. I love it. Love it. Where it is a badge of

Greg [21:49 - 21:53]
honor rig shaker. That's a good one, I've never heard that

Chad [21:53 - 21:55]
before,

Adam [21:56 - 23:49]
you know, and I, I think to go along with that, just so we don't miss this. There there is something so important in endurance sports about being strong and not, not like I'm talking like, pound for pound strong because From 40 to 50 k when you are depleted, but you have, You know, £500 dead lift and £400 squat in your back pocket, Like you just have this intrinsic strength that no matter how fatigued you are, you don't break down and all of my endurance buddies that, you know, see me for the first time, and they're like, what is this guy doing? But then over time start to be like, okay, like he's doing something that that works the buy in of of pound for pound strength, like in cycling, it's all about watts per kilo, but no one ever thinks about, like, well, what if I could, you know, have a percentage of body weight, you know, backs water, Like, it's all going to add to your ability to move more efficiently, move stronger and when everyone else is breaking down in a race, your you have the ability to stay stay strong and keep your mechanics good and really it comes down to that and Our 4-5 or an hour 8-9 or you know, it's it's so important, I think Greg has that, you know, like I think that paid a big, big factor in his first ultra race is that he does have that strength and and you kept the strength training going, which is really cool.

Greg [23:50 - 24:50]
Yeah, I didn't I didn't want to give that up. Like, well, Mark Bell talks about this a lot and he probably even trademarked it, right? He always says strength is never a weakness. And I think at a bare minimum to your point, a DJ about like, okay, if you're someone that can do this endurance event, but you also hold the ability to to dead lift and squat heavy weight um at the very at a bare minimum, your ability to recover is going to be elevated just because, like, the connective tissue and the joint function is already there. And those are usually the issues that at least from what I've seen, and this could be wrong, but those are usually the issues that, like, endurance athletes will struggle with their so aerobically developed. But in terms of, like, muscular endurance, it's just it's almost two sports specific, right? Like, they don't have the central nervous system efficiency that someone who has a background of strength training might have,

Chad [24:51 - 25:12]
doesn't say that's what you've noticed to adam, Like with the LP endurance crew, like the addition of strength based training has really helped your your crew, right? A lot of the feedback that we I've heard from them is that it's a huge asset versus before they were weren't introduced to it? They might have done some stuff, but not consistently?

Adam [25:15 - 26:44]
Yeah, No, uh 100% it's the athletes that have grown up doing endurance sports that really benefit from it the most, and it's so interesting to see who is naturally strong and then how we compare then those athletes to how strong they are late in a race, and it's just the direct correlation is kind of scary. We have some ladies in our club that like, when you look at them, you would think that they've never done strength training before. You know, we had a huge buying over the winter this year and they come to the gym, they haven't squatted in years and they have this just natural ability to move full range and just like they're squatting their body weight and, you know, less than a month, right? So it's it's so cool to see. And then, and then you do that compared comparison for like, an everyday endurance athlete who with a bar on their back is unstable, right? And then you now, like, okay, do you really need to do that extra run workout a week or do you need to get stronger? Right, like, where are you gonna see the most bang for your buck and your joints will thank you tremendously In 10 years from now, if you have some, like, like Greg was saying some structural kind of integrity.

Chad [26:45 - 26:59]
That's cool. No, um so yeah, so it sounds like we've pumped your tires, Greg successful Ultra, are you staying in endurance here? Are you gonna do another one? You're diving deeper? Like what's your plan after this? Ultra

Greg [27:01 - 27:02]
just

Adam [27:02 - 27:14]
commented on nick bears instagram post and said he's up for a 50 mile, which is 80 k run in texas. What overnight

Greg [27:15 - 27:20]
does adam have? Adam has my instagram activity on his notifications.

Chad [27:20 - 27:25]
Adams following the same guy. He's putting a comment right after. Makes sense. I

Adam [27:25 - 27:27]
did not comment.

Greg [27:27 - 27:28]
Adam and I are gonna

Adam [27:29 - 27:29]
Adam

Greg [27:29 - 27:31]
and I are gonna carpool to the event.

Adam [27:32 - 27:35]
I would love to go and cheer you on. Yeah.

Chad [27:35 - 27:36]
Why?

Greg [27:36 - 27:40]
You could, you could run that distance. No problem. Yeah,

Adam [27:40 - 27:51]
I haven't, I still have a fear of running for more than, I don't know three or 4 or five hours straight

Greg [27:52 - 27:52]
for

Adam [27:52 - 27:55]
some reason, I don't know why, but

Greg [27:55 - 28:46]
I think that's founded to answer your question? I haven't, I haven't run yet, so I'm planning to do a run tomorrow, which will be a week after the ultra marathon and I don't want to make any decisions. Um, until I've had a chance to put a few more kilometers on the road now, that being said, I got back from the ultra on saturday and my next door neighbor was outside and he was like, oh, were you guys at the cottage? Because my wife was with me and we're like, no, we're up in Niagara and I didn't want to say like for an ultra marathon, but I was like, we were in Niagara and he's like, oh what were you doing there? And then Jordan's like, Greg ran an ultramarathon, He's like oh is it like one of those 100 K races? And I was like no, it was just it was just kind of was like, man, you know, because in

Adam [28:46 - 28:47]
terms of in

Greg [28:47 - 28:52]
terms of ultra running, like 50K is is like

Chad [28:53 - 28:54]
an intro. An intro. Yeah.

Greg [28:55 - 29:13]
Yeah. Um And I wrote about this in my newsletter today, it's like you don't have to do much google searching to find something. Apparently all you have to do is uh you know, follow my every move on instagram and you can find a 50 mile race overnight, like, like a D. J.

Adam [29:13 - 29:14]
Did,

Greg [29:14 - 29:20]
but no, I'm I'm considering doing another one, but I don't wanna say anything just

Chad [29:20 - 29:22]
yet. But you enjoyed the,

Adam [29:23 - 29:34]
does that get you more excited about running then doing like uh 10K or a half marathon for like speed ultras? Just conquering them.

Greg [29:35 - 30:31]
I think for now, Yeah. You know what gets me more excited than the actual, like the conquering the event is one thing which I think is really cool, but what I've noticed this past week and I said to chad before we started recording is like, he asked me if I had trained yesterday and I haven't, which is kind of strange. Um I've just been feeling a little bit aimless, right? Without the running without having something to train for that forced consistency and discipline just started to bleed into like every other area of my life and that's kind of what I, having something on the calendar can do right? I think otherwise the summer just kind of gets away from you and it's easy to just kind of, you know, go based on feel and not really do a whole lot and all of a sudden it's like happy new year and you look at last year and it's like, okay, well what could I have done if I was just a little bit more focus and intentional. So I think that's kind of more of my draw for considering another event.

Chad [30:32 - 31:09]
Mhm Cool, cool. Um I know, I know he jumped into the endurance stuff, but I feel like it was smart to get it out to talk about it, but I do want to talk about sort of your fitness journey in general. Obviously we brought this up a lot of times, a lot of people that come on the podcast, they have a similar background, somewhat competitive sport background to whatever level that might be, they move on from that and then sometimes there's a law in their training or maybe there's not some sort of transformation. So you were a former, widely warrior football player, a big unit for sure. No. Oh no, no, my bad.

Greg [31:09 - 31:10]
Unbelievable.

Chad [31:14 - 31:17]
No, I got you guys mixed up

Greg [31:18 - 31:20]
ship

Chad [31:20 - 31:24]
And the, and the worst one. My bad actually. I might keep that in.

Greg [31:25 - 31:30]
Yeah. Well someone, you're gonna get some text messages you and nick that's for sure.

Chad [31:31 - 31:49]
Okay. My bad, my bad. I did want to, I wanted to ask, what was your training like? Like back then when you're playing football, competitive football. Like what was your training like then? And then my second question, what, which I'll ask is like, how did you find crossfit or were you doing crossfit back when you were doing football?

Greg [31:53 - 36:15]
Yeah. So I played Laurier, I played at laurier. Um, no problem. Just had to make sure that that was on the record and I wanted to also make sure that adam heard it so that he doesn't start spreading anymore. Um, my, so it's funny. Football was kind of like my introduction to strength and conditioning because in high school I was really skinny and uh, I grew up playing soccer for a really long time. I grew up in the States actually. And when you grow up as a young athlete in the States, it's like you, whatever sport you kind of settle on. It doesn't have to be a sport, Whatever thing you settle on. It could be music, it could be theater, it could be sports, It could be art, whatever. It's like, that's, that's, that's what I think draws people to the United States is like, they're all in on that thing and there's like a ton of support and not that you're kind of like forced to specialize, but you're culturally you're incentivized to like take this thing as far as you can. So when I moved to Canada, when I was in high school, I kind of had that that mentality and that just like assumption going into sports. And so I started playing football when we moved here and then as a result, got introduced to strength and conditioning because I think you just kind of assume that you're going to play football, you need to be, you know, bigger and stronger than you are currently in that pursuit kind of never ends. So I started training at a place in Waterloo called SST sport specific training um and it's over in North Waterloo, you guys probably know where it is. Um And I did that every off season for preparing for for laureate football season and that training was like pretty, pretty classic strength and conditioning, you know, a good blend of squatting, dead lifting, bench pressing obviously because it's football and then like some speed and agility work and some some functional conditioning. Um but very like period Ized according to the football season, which was every fall and then somewhere in my second or third year at laurier, The S. S. T jim was actually right across from crossfit Waterloo And this was this would have been probably 2,012, when like more and more cross kitchens are starting to pop up and at that time, you know, like all the, all the football guys would be in the gym and we kind of like look across the parking lot, see these people like trying to do double unders and power snatches and you know, flowing around in a bar and like, well I kind of made fun of it like it, you know, is this thing that, that wasn't really that interesting. And then one of my roommates in university actually who played football but had to stop playing football because of some concussion issues. He was looking for something to kind of stoke his competitive fire. And so he actually ended up at that crossfit gym and you know, he kind of similar to like probably our first experience, he came back, he was like, man, you gotta try this thing. Like it was so much fun, it was like the hardest workout I've ever done. And he started sending me these Youtube videos and I ended up going to a crossfit division during one off season, sometime in the winter, there were a few other friends at laurier who we're kind of getting involved and interested in crossfit and they took us there and yeah, I mean at the same way I kind of captured my attention and totally changed my belief system on like crossfit as a methodology. So I got my level one, I started coaching, just trained as much as I could and had to be a little bit calculated about it around football season to make sure that and I wasn't gonna overdo it leading into those seasons and then towards the end of football, just all I wanted to do was West Crossfit. I wanted to focus on being a coach and see if I could potentially be competitive because Crossfit as a sport was like really starting to take off in that time, like 2014, kind of like the golden

Chad [36:15 - 36:19]
era after football. Did you start competing across it?

Greg [36:21 - 36:22]
Like

Chad [36:22 - 36:24]
local, local competitions, stuff like that?

Greg [36:25 - 37:07]
A lot of time? Um No, which is kind of funny because I really loved it and I wanted to to compete and be good at it. Um but I just, I wasn't, I wasn't that good at, like I picked up the skills, but I was never, you know, I was never close to like semi final level fitness, like ADam or polski um even for all those times of training, like I was always bias towards strength events and crossfit, which are never tested in the open or the semi final um sorry, the quarterfinals now, but yeah, I just I never I was never able to crack into that top 10%.

Adam [37:09 - 37:14]
Okay, that's so yeah, I would say,

Chad [37:14 - 37:15]
yeah,

Adam [37:15 - 37:18]
say you're

Chad [37:18 - 37:19]
In the 10%,,

Adam [37:20 - 37:37]
but yeah, Greg, Greg has this freakish ability to do gymnastics extremely well. Weight lift extremely well has crazy strength. But yeah, you're right, it's almost just like the sport wasn't set up. If you could have just fast tracked to the games,

Greg [37:37 - 37:38]
you

Adam [37:38 - 37:39]
probably could have been

Chad [37:39 - 37:40]
like,

Adam [37:41 - 37:51]
if you like more like a, like a Falkowski, like you, you move really well, you could, you know, like you just open was not designed for

Greg [37:51 - 37:52]
you.

Adam [37:53 - 37:54]
None

Greg [37:54 - 39:10]
of me is like sour about that and never will be, but I would also never say that. Um so for like for me to be objective and evaluate myself, it's funny, I, when I used to work for a tech company, I had to do quite a bit of traveling and I always drop into like across the gym wherever I was and they'd be like, oh, like, you know, it's so it must be so tough to be a big guy and do this. And it's like, yeah, but okay, so I've got to move a barbell further, but I'm also stronger, you know what I mean? So it's like, I never saw it as like this, this disadvantage, you know what I mean? And I never thought that was fair. It's like, well you start playing that game of like, well if I was shorter, if I was lighter would I be better at gymnastics and it's like maybe, you know, and if the, if these events were set up differently, but it's like, yeah, they're not and that's the best part about crossfit. It's like you need to have the ability to like do engine workouts, suck wind if you want to get to this next stage and earn yourself the opportunity to lift heavy weights and I just wasn't able to figure that part of it out and that's okay. Mhm. But I think

Adam [39:10 - 39:17]
like Burpee box jump overs and dumbbell snatches with a toy. He just didn't like those things

Greg [39:18 - 39:24]
and then I just, I can't, I can't move as fast as you guys on those. I'll send you a good video of me.

Adam [39:25 - 39:38]
You think you would be better After doing that 50 K. Do you think now that you know how like far in the pain cave you can go and still come out alive. Do you think you'd be better? That's

Greg [39:38 - 39:45]
a good question. I would say no because it's different right? Like, but

Adam [39:45 - 39:51]
you see an aerobic engine, the ability to recover and like flush out lactic acid.

Greg [39:52 - 39:53]
It'll

Adam [39:53 - 40:32]
be interesting when you go back to do some of those workouts because my first year after endurance there was like, I'll never forget this workout. It was just like 150 double under 60 wall balls, 30 pull ups. There was like a water pollution qualifier And I picked up the wall ball and I did 60 in a row, never have came right into triathlon season. No, no practice, no nothing. And that was like the eye opener for me. Like wow, an aerobic engine can help give you the ability to just flush out any fatigue that I typically would have had in the past

Chad [40:33 - 40:38]
Greg back on the podcast after he does two more races.

Greg [40:40 - 41:33]
It will, it's it's interesting because I think it's interesting to me like to hear you say that coming off of heavy endurance season and then getting back into like mixed model, functional fitness type workouts, because yeah, yeah, you've got the big aerobic base, but like, there is nothing about dumbbell snatches and Burpee box jump overs. That's aerobic, not for me anyway, because, you know, in in less than two minutes, I'm already over my aerobic heart rate. So On one hand it's like, Okay, you understand the pain cave that's associated with running 50 km, but in my experience doing both, it's very different than what it feels like to sustain a pace of dumbbell snatches and Burpee box jump overs with like much higher power output for a shorter period of time, so having not,

Adam [41:33 - 42:05]
but you might find that you actually do that work out in an aerobic zone, you know, like my heart rate doesn't go above 80 80%, 560 beats per minute in a dumbbell snatch and I can just keep it there for a longer period. So Yeah, if you make it anaerobic, then yeah, but make it aerobic and see if you can hold that for 12.5 minutes, you know what I mean? And that's

Greg [42:06 - 42:12]
what what you just said is like if you make it aerobic, but that's a skill, you know what I mean? Like

Adam [42:12 - 42:13]
your and

Greg [42:13 - 43:29]
you're saying that as if it's like, you can just start the workout and it's like, well I've got the aerobic fitness, so this is just going to be an aerobic workout. And the reason I mentioned that is because I never learned that 10 years of functional fitness training, like hundreds of thousands of reps and I never learned that until last year, doing the open at Polsky is jen and we were doing that dumbbell snatch and Burpee box jump over workout. And he somehow convinced me to redo it. And he was like, when you do a dumbbell snatch, he's like cycle the reps as if you're on the rowing machine or the bike, because I've always excelled at those type of workouts where it's like, there is a mono structural component that's cyclical and it's fixed, right? As soon as you make that even an air squad or a dumbbell snatch or Burpee, where the cycle rate is not dictated by the machine, it's dictated by you, it's like my heart rate is through the roof. And so when nick said that he was like cycle the dumbbell, but breathe like you're on the rowing machine and I was actually like blown away at how much easier it felt to do really big sets of dumbbell snatching. So that goes back to your point of saying like you have to make it aerobic, it doesn't just happen by accident,

Adam [43:31 - 44:07]
right? Amen. That's Polsky nailed it. And I think it's a new, I think it's a new concept in the crossfit world that the elites have been doing forever. But the everyday joes, They go the first two minutes as fast as they can and they cycle that dumbbell as fast as they can and then all of a sudden they hit the Wall three minutes in. It's like, Whoa, hold on a second, like sure you can go the 1st 30. Hinshaw said this, you can go the 1st 30-45 seconds as hard as you want. But then it's an aerobic workout. So it's so true, very cool.

Chad [44:08 - 44:44]
Um, so you're in crossword for a long time and then you transition into, you're sort of own personal training and coaching. And so your training evolves from being training with your football teammates, you then jump into a crossfit, which is group fitness and now we see you pretty much almost always training by yourself. Like how did how did how did you move to sort of doing training by yourself and being disciplined to sort of continue doing that? Like do you miss the group training? Like or do you just feed off of it and you just get the work done.

Greg [44:46 - 46:32]
I do miss the group training sometimes, but I also, I do and I don't, I guess you could say the the flexibility of being able to train on your own. It is nice like to have your own space. The yeah, it requires probably a little bit more discipline and in the event that if I wanted to compete in anything, I wouldn't be training on my own because I think that environment will always kind of like environment trumps the best training program in my opinion, right? Like if you, if you work out next to adam, you're going to go harder than if you're in the gym. Like by yourself. I think I think most people understand that um the transition of moving from group fitness to having my personal training business was, it was that last piece, it was like, I wanted to to try and start a business and so at the time I was working at a tech company, um I knew it wasn't something that I wanted to do long term, I just, I didn't feel that passionate about software, so I had to kind of try and find a way back into fitness. And so the lowest hanging fruit was like, well I've got the coaching credential spent a lot of time coaching movement, seeing people in the gym if I can somehow sort out a space that I can convince people to come to, I think I could really help them. And so that on its own kind of evolved into personal training which is what I do full time now. So I mostly work with people one on one and then as a result that's the space that I have to train in as well.

Chad [46:36 - 46:37]
Makes sense. Makes sense.

Adam [46:38 - 47:33]
Yeah. Great Greg nailed it in terms and I chat I think you've experienced this too if you have a if you have a focus like when you're preparing for golf season let's say and you want to do a bunch of golf specific preparation, the group training environment might not be the best environment unless the entire group is focused on what you're doing. So it training on your own has has huge benefits if you have like a singular focus um that's not like you know surrounded by a group of people that have the same singular focus. General fitness is what's focused on in at limitless in a crossfit gym, right? Getting stronger, getting more conditioned And then if you want to do anything specific above and beyond that it is time for you to go into your own space and and do that right? So you

Greg [47:33 - 48:00]
need to find expertise in a a community of people to support you because I think when you take that next step beyond like G. P. P. And lifestyle fitness you know you're you're committing to something that's going to be quite a bit more challenging. It's going to stretch you. And I think that processes a easier and b it's a lot more enjoyable when you're doing it with other people that are doing the same thing and it's going to make you better

Chad [48:01 - 48:34]
totally. And so you have, you do cross it. Obviously you're doing some sport specific training with football. How has your training? And obviously now in endurance is sort of new to you. So maybe at some point we get you back in the pot. We talked about how does, how is your training philosophy sort of transformed? Obviously you don't, you're not a personal trainer for a crossfit gym. You have your own sort of programming 1440. Like how has your training methodology and concepts like functional fitness, I guess is the best way to sort of suggest what you train.

Greg [48:36 - 49:03]
Yeah, perhaps. Um, I was recently listening to or reading some work from a guy named Mark quite, I don't know if you're familiar with Mark quite. Yeah. You've probably seen some of his stuff. Yeah, that's his claim to fame, right? The most unconventional. Like the last guy you'd expect to be a celebrity fitness trainer that's marked white. Yeah. He

Chad [49:03 - 49:07]
actually, everyone should check out. He just recently got a feature on the buttery bros is pretty cool.

Greg [49:08 - 51:55]
Yeah. So that's what I was. That's what I was watching. And it was surprising because like, you don't see a lot of content with those guys, right? Like their their goal is to kind of fly under the radar with the work that they're doing at nonprofit there very focused on an analog experience. That's why they do a lot of digital media. Um, sorry, not digital media. They do a lot of print media. Excuse me. But he always talks about what they do and the work that he's done with celebrities over the last decades, he calls it exercise psychology, which I think is really fascinating because there is like no shortage of exercise science and physiology information on the internet. Right? We all have that on our smartphones now. So I think like the technical gap of understanding, like how do I get in better shape is closing. Um, but the gap of like how do you meet people where they're at and put together a plan that's going to help them be consistent and support them throughout that process. Using your experience and your expertise. That's like the exercise psychology piece. So I have had like a bit of an identity crisis in the last couple of years since I started the 1440 because I came from the crossfit background, but I also have the strength and conditioning from football. But I didn't want to train like athletes per se. I wanted to to help people that have a curiosity or help people that quite frankly need it. Like they need to start moving, they need to do something for their health or for their life. And I think as a result, like I've said this before, 2, 2 friends in the industry, like I program exercises now that I never would have programmed like three years ago when I was drinking the kool aid hard and crossfit because I was like constantly very functional fitness until you die. Like that's the, that's the key piece, right? Like you've got to be able to snatch and your squad needs to look like this and it was like fairly dogmatic. Whereas now it's like, well if I can just replicate the stimulus for this person who whose fitness level currently is very different than somebody who might walk into a crossfit gym. Like does it need to be like an overhead squat or can we achieve something similar with like goblet squat to a box, you know what I mean? So that has really forced me to like, I think expand the scope of, expand the scope of my practice. And I think endurance training falls in that too. Like three or four years ago, I never would have considered doing an endurance event, but there's gotta be something to it. Like why do thousands of people run marathons and triathlons every single year, right? Like there's something to be learned from that experience. And I think a lot of clients, um you know, have an interest in incorporating some of those components into their training and I want to be able to support that.

Chad [51:57 - 52:14]
Yeah, that's awesome. I mean you're very diligent and like researching and understanding other, it seems that way like you dive into different types of different people in the industry or different types of Fitness. So it's super cool that you bring somewhat of a you're learning and you're bringing a 360 view into sort of how you coach.

Greg [52:17 - 52:29]
Thank you. I'm trying to, but there are a lot of times where it's like you probably felt this way too. I'm sure adam has, it would just be so much easier to like Stay like get in one bucket and just stay

Chad [52:29 - 52:30]
there.

Greg [52:31 - 52:34]
You know what I mean to say? Like, no, we just do crossfit training

Chad [52:34 - 52:35]
right?

Greg [52:35 - 53:00]
But then you totally, you also close yourself off to the possibility of like, well this person actually doesn't want that crossfit thing, but what if there's something like really great, they're like, what if you could help that person become more capable, more competent, more confident and and really make a difference, but you might never have that opportunity if, you know, if they have zero interest in doing something like crossfit.

Chad [53:00 - 53:40]
Yeah, I mean, it's tough to stay in your lane and I mean, you could argue that it's not the right way of doing things either, right? Like you can't innovate and you can't adapt if you're, if you're just blinded by everything else what's going on right across is very good at being crossfit, right? But then you have a lot of people that teach crossfit that have started to look around, right? I'm sure, you know, all the different programs like mayhem or, or calm train or all the time. They can't ignore what's going on outside cross it. Right. Whether they actually decided to say that, Yeah, I brought this from this endurance world in whatever rate, like, it's tough for sure. But yeah,

Greg [53:40 - 53:43]
crossfit is constantly trying to test that too, right?

Chad [53:43 - 53:44]
Like

Greg [53:45 - 54:16]
they have, it's weight lifting, its power lifting, there's gymnastics, there's kettlebell, there's endurance type events, right? So I think as a sport, like the sport of fitness, they're doing a good job in a similar fashion. Like, they're trying to, trying to understand these different realms of fitness and, and incorporate them into the sport of crossfit. But in a weird way, it's kind of become like its own thing, you know what I mean? It's like, well, crossfit is now this, this bucket that stands on its own, even though it has, you know, water from all these other buckets to

Chad [54:17 - 54:27]
Yeah, yeah. I mean, I I wanted to ask you because like, a lot has changed in the fitness world in the past few years, obviously with the pandemic and just all the craziness happening in the world.

Greg [54:29 - 54:29]
I

Chad [54:29 - 54:49]
wanted to ask you what your thoughts are on this sort of future of fitness like, and yeah, like what do you think? Like from a coaching perspective, you're running your own business obviously adam you run your own business. Like do you guys think about these things, are you trying to sort of forecast what's about to happen? Like obviously the pandemic didn't know what was gonna happen, but like do you have any ideas of what the future of finish looks

Adam [54:49 - 54:54]
like? You know, it's so funny because during the pandemic,

Greg [54:55 - 54:55]
oh

Adam [54:55 - 56:16]
my God, the future of fitness is online, it's easy, It's convenient. You know, people are just going to be able to do it from home and then we quickly realized that we missed community and connection and all of that, right? So I would I would like to think that the future of fitness is more based around community and experience and personal connection. Um the world is back to full speed ahead, like maybe more than ever. I feel like all the families that we're surrounded by at the gym are busier than ever and being efficient being, you know, quality over quantity, um structure, accountability, support, all of those things are going to be more important than ever because without that you're just gonna let your fitness and health take the back seat in a world where it's way too easy for it to take back seat. So I think I think it's community and the people around you are going to be The # one thing support you.

Greg [56:28 - 58:23]
Yeah, I would, I would piggyback on that. I like that you brought up the pandemic because I felt like that at the beginning to um especially not being able to do personal training or seeing people in person where it's, you have the biggest opportunity to make an impact when you can work with someone one on one, just like when the members come through the door at LP, that is like, that's the pinnacle coaching experience, right? And everything else, even though you guys do a great job with the online stuff, it's not the same because you can't make corrections in real time and you can't provide the equipment and the environment. And so I am happy to see that things have kind of rebounded, especially within the last few months, but I think it did kind of expose a bit of a trend and you're seeing, you know, the best in the industry do this well, is that everything online supports and enhances the in person experience or it's like an extension of that environment, right? So it's like, as much as people want that community and they need that community to help them be consistent. They also need opportunities for customization so that they can be consistent over the very long term because I bet you, You know, Adam you've got probably 25% of your members are on vacation right now or they're taking off this weekend for a wedding. Just like 25% of my clients every week are missing their in person session with me and they're like, you know, we're doing this trip and we're taking so the like work life fitness balance, you know, and how do you create an environment and community that like supports you in all those different places so that, you know, over the long run, it's like training is a normal part of my life and my gym supports that. It's not like I need to be in this one spot, it's

Adam [58:24 - 58:27]
okay with having meetings online and the corporate travel. It's not,

Chad [58:27 - 58:28]
it's tough

Greg [58:28 - 58:30]
though. It's tough. Like

Adam [58:30 - 58:48]
one on one clients travel. Like we, we connect on facetime and we do workouts wherever they are. So that's super cool figuring that out in the group environment I think is like you said, very, very important. Um

Greg [58:48 - 58:49]
yeah,

Adam [58:50 - 59:10]
challenging, but important because an active lifestyle is an active lifestyle, especially if you're traveling like, you know, 10 weeks a year, you're just not in a physical location, right? You're just going to take those 10 weeks off of your fitness and health. Are you going to build in an active lifestyle around that?

Greg [59:11 - 59:11]
Yeah,

Greg [59:18 - 59:19]
yeah.

Greg [59:22 - 61:01]
I think if I could circle back on this one other point worth mentioning here, I think we're both kind of like we're circling it right now is, and I felt this during the pandemic as well, a lot of people would ask me like, are you going to run zoom sessions basically, are you going to get on zoom and watch your clients work out in the living room and I kind of felt like on one hand, if that's the accountability that they need, then I would consider supporting that. But on the other hand, I also felt like as a coach, if I haven't in the time that we've worked together, given them the tools that they need to figure out how to read a workout and complete it on their own, then I think I may be filled them as a coach. So if we're going to have this in person experience and then augment and support it with different channels online, I don't think programming matters that much. It's like a more fundamental job as a coach is like you need to teach people how to work out like how do you read a workout? How do you understand this? And how do you apply the concept? That's like, yes, you need to be able to understand the technical components of a squat and a lunge. But if I give you 100 air squats with, you know, 10 burpees on the minute or whatever. That freaking workout was that we did for the at home fitness challenge. Like if I write that on a piece of paper and I give you demo videos and notes, are you going to be able to take that and execute it while you're at the beach with your family, like the same, you know what I mean? So it's like if we're missing that piece, I think that's the deeper layer of coaching that will help set us up for, for more success in the long run. I don't, I don't think

Adam [61:01 - 61:01]
especially

Greg [61:01 - 61:07]
programming and fancy stuff matters as much. I think it's like fundamentally teaching people how to work

Adam [61:07 - 61:15]
out. I think back to this celebrity trainer you guys were talking about, you know, exercise psychology is like

Greg [61:16 - 61:16]
not

Adam [61:16 - 61:24]
just the program matters, but the mindset around it and the education around it is just as important.

Adam [61:32 - 61:37]
I love it. Hearing it from your perspective because you're not thinking of it from like necessarily a business

Chad [61:37 - 61:43]
I think probably wanted, but

Adam [61:44 - 61:45]
Right,

Chad [61:46 - 61:47]
yeah,

Adam [61:47 - 61:47]
come on.

Chad [61:50 - 61:52]
Okay, thanks for the encouragement, appreciate that

Greg [61:52 - 61:54]
your perspective is actually the most

Chad [61:54 - 63:33]
important. Keep it, keep it coming, keep it coming, keep it coming. No, I was gonna say, I feel like um, what Covid did was really, I don't know if it unlocked curiosity or I feel like individuals in fitness sort of sprawled out and maybe got a nudge of different types of fitness, Like obviously endurance sports sort of blew up peloton blew up. We and now like, just looking at crossfit in itself, like you have all these like additions across where you have like a high rocks and you have these deck, if it's, you know, these like Spartan type stuff like I feel like fitness is really sort of sprawled out and individuals that might have been in their lane in crossfit, right? They go to the gym every day. They do their, our fitness, they clock out and they're, they're super passionate crossfit. But I feel like now it's like maybe I want to get sports specific golf training because now I can measure, I can go from crossfit as my foundation and I can jump into sports specific. So I feel like individuals have started really to kind of sprawl out and test other things where maybe in the before covid, they're kind of just staying in their lane, right? We're just going through the motions and we just believed in whatever you did. So I feel like now it's like you and I talked with this adam, you were saying like individuals that might be at the gym six days a week, might only be in the gym three days a week now and now they're jumping into, they're going home and they're doing a long peloton thing or they're doing it a long outdoor run or a bike. So I feel like that's where I see fitness is kind of becoming more of this like proto factor where you might might not just be drinking the crossfit kool Aid, you'll be doing endurance and crossfit or body building and or some sort of hypertrophy training and endurance or something like that. That's my take

Greg [63:34 - 65:18]
man chad, just dropping dimes on us because that's the interesting point and to, to shift back to like a business owner perspective. I think a less mature version of Greg and a less mature version of a DJ would have this experience where one of their clients goes hey I got a peloton, what do you think about that? And you'd be like ship like they don't like my workouts um you know how is this gonna fit in the training plan? Like even if I think that it's just a fad, they're they're excited about this thing. So it's like how do you build that into the training plan? And that's the customizable element that I was trying to talk about. Like I have a lot of clients that they come to see me one day per week in person and I give them like as much G. P. P. As we can and we utilize the tools that they don't have access to on their own like barbells and you know a skier or Ghd machine, whatever the specialty equipment is. And then at home they've probably got a set of kettlebells, maybe a barbell or they've got a pellet on or they like to run or they like to mountain bike and then I build those things into their training plan over the course of the week. So it's like I give you the 60% of strength and conditioning that you need that I know belongs in a well rounded training program but I also want to support this curiosity that you have about playing golf or taking up a new hobby or getting out and riding your bike with your family and I think that it's important not to like stifle that creativity for that curiosity because that's like such a seat for commitment that I've seen a lot of those things have stuck with my clients for the last couple of years. Um so that's a really, really good point chad. Thanks for bringing it up.

Chad [65:18 - 66:06]
No, that's it's so true. I mean, Adam has been my coach for eight years now and I remember a few years, no tears. I was like, I really wanna do this hypertrophy thunder growth program and I was a little bit like, not scared, but just like, timid about asking talking to Adam about it, but I'm like, no, he'll understand it now, like, and I would say when I first met you like two years ago, you'd be like, no, you're an idiot, don't do that stupid ship. But like for sure look like Adam has been like super open to that idea. So I think you're right, you guys are much mature and I think with the industry growing and going through this like, significant moment in time with Covid, I think even coaches and like, business owners in the fitness industry have like really matured and understood, like

Greg [66:06 - 66:07]
you

Chad [66:07 - 66:12]
gotta be open to this like large, like it's not a one way street, it's just not a one way lane, right? So

Chad [66:17 - 66:35]
that's a man, Well, I mean Greg, this has been awesome. I can't believe it's taken us this long. 54 episodes to get you, or 55 episodes to get you on the podcast. We have to do this again. I feel like this has been an awesome conversation about fitness and training. We didn't dive into nutrition, which we can maybe do that another time, but thanks so much for joining the podcast dude,

Greg [66:37 - 66:39]
thank you very much for having me. Um

Chad [66:39 - 66:39]
I

Greg [66:39 - 66:45]
really appreciate it. I love what you guys are doing. So just as much as maybe you would say

Chad [66:45 - 66:46]
to stroke

Greg [66:46 - 66:50]
my ego that I'm inspiring you guys. You're inspiring me. So super happy

Chad [66:50 - 66:50]
to be here

Greg [66:50 - 66:52]
and I hope we get to do it again soon.

Chad [66:52 - 67:01]
Thank you. Thanks coach A DJ. Appreciate the conversation. Thanks for listening. We'll see you next time. We'll see you in the gym. Bye everyone. Yeah.