Exploring Life, Loss, and Legacy: A Conversation with Bruce Greenwald

Have you ever considered what it means to live each day to the fullest? Our latest podcast episode features an insightful conversation with Bruce Greenwald, who shares his touching story about moving forward after losing his wife. Bruce's vulnerability and strength are palpable, as he discusses how this life-altering event affected himself and his sons. He also stresses the importance of seeking support during such challenging times, which resonates with anyone navigating the rough seas of grief and loss.

His journey does not just define Bruce’s life, but also deeply intertwined with his family’s fascinating history. With the expansive family estate in Baltimore, his ancestors being among the first Jews in Frederick, and a grandfather instrumental in rewriting the Maryland Constitution, Bruce's narrative is a captivating exploration of his rich lineage. He also attributes much of his success to his parents' values and guidance, a legacy he is proud to continue with his own sons.

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Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

Welcome to the Gentleman Project Podcast. I'm Corey Moore and I'm Kirk.

Speaker 2: 0:03

Chug. Bruce Greenwald is in the studio with us today. We've known each other for 10 or 11 years. He moved here from Cleveland, plugged into a networking group that I was a part of, and he's been a client and a friend of mine ever since. We've known each other long enough to know some of each other's history. We keep track of each other and he's been a great friend and a great client for a good decade now, so he's got a great story You're going to be really intrigued by today. Cool family history, wonderful, wonderful family that I've had the pleasure of meeting and to tell his story today. Bruce Greenwald, welcome.

Speaker 3: 0:43

I'm so happy to be here. You have no idea.

Speaker 2: 0:47

Well, Bruce, tell us a little bit about your family and a little bit about your kids and who I've had the pleasure of meeting and making some clothing for. That was fun. Tell us a little bit about them and tell people who are listening who you are.

Speaker 3: 1:05

Well, first of all, I forgot that you made my son's I think wedding suit.

Speaker 2: 1:11

Yeah, it was wedding suits.

Speaker 3: 1:15

That's amazing. You know how long ago that was. That was right after we moved here, which was in 2012. Yeah, and he was that's my oldest son, who was married in 2012,. Jeff and I have a younger one who got married last year. His name is Eric and I moved here from Cleveland in 2012. My late wife and I built a house in Park City. We got lucky enough to come here in 2010 and kind of look at the real estate landscape and I would say more we came here for the skiing than it was anything else.

Speaker 2: 2:00

What brought you to Utah originally? Was it coming out here for a ski trip and going? Well, I really like this here.

Speaker 3: 2:07

We actually did In 2010,. We came out on a ski trip. My wife and I had been to Park City a number of times and we had clients actually of mine who lived out here in a place called Promontory, and we went to Promontory to visit them and I guess the rest is history. We fell in love with Promontory and bought a lot site unseen, which is very unusual and I came out here the following summer to go on a biking trip in Bryson's Zion and came up to Park City and saw what we bought. And my mom, who grew up in the mountains, actually in Western Maryland she always wanted me to live in the mountains and I was very happy to be able to fulfill her wishes.

Speaker 2: 3:09

It's a beautiful, beautiful place.

Speaker 3: 3:12

Yeah, so it should grow up in Frederick, maryland, which is in Western Maryland, right along the Appalachian Trail. That's a whole other story. Beautiful area too.

Speaker 2: 3:22

Which we'll get to about my family history. So today's a special day for you. It is. Would you share why? And we didn't plan this this way, it just turned out this way. But tell us why today's special to you.

Speaker 3: 3:36

Well, today is, unfortunately, I lost my late wife three years ago today. She had been seriously ill for six years with her variant cancer and fought very, very hard and we were married for 38 years. And you know, she was just, she was a trooper. My wife was very involved prior to her sickness in the pancreatic cancer network. In fact she went around to lobby all of the state senators and congressmen here in here in Utah when we first came out because she had lost a cousin to pancreatic cancer. And little did she know. When she went to visit Huntsman Cancer Center the first time, did she know that she would end up there getting chemotherapy for about five years? She fought really hard and we had some great times even while she was ill and we traveled a lot. But she was an amazing woman, such a trooper.

Speaker 1: 4:47

So how did that experience change you and how did it change your sons?

Speaker 3: 4:52

You know, you live every day. I think we all have to realize that, because we never know when it's when it's going to end. I'll never forget, in August of 15, when we first got the, when we got the first diagnosis of her you know, having stage 3C, which is a pretty advanced cancer, which is not unusual for a variant cancer.

Speaker 3: 5:18

And you know what my wife and I tried to do from that day and I would say probably most of our marriage was we tried to live kind of every day. And I think you know if that's the message that comes out of here today, that's great. And you know I wrote my bio and we can get to this is that you know that's the way I've really kind of taken on my career too is kind of, you know, take some risk, live every day. And there's a lot of people in this world who don't do that and I think it speaks to the success not only that I had in my marriage, that I had with my kids, but also in my career so far.

Speaker 2: 6:03

So how did that affect your sons losing their mom? Do you know?

Speaker 3: 6:10

can you speak to that personally? Sure, you know, I think they're still figuring it out. You know they're good boys and they're great professionals. They're both very successful professionally and my oldest son has been married for 10 years. I have two beautiful grandchildren from my oldest son, and my younger son just got married last October and it's been really difficult for them and it's been difficult for our relationship, I will say that, and they're still, I think, still grieving their mom. But you know, and I think they should think of their mom every day, there's nothing I can do. They have to go through the process themselves. I have spoken to a lot of people. I've spoken to a lot of religious leaders who have helped me. A lot of therapy also helps and you know, again, they have to kind of come to peace with their mom being gone. It changes the dynamics of a family, there's no doubt about it. Life goes on and none of us really know kind of how life is going to proceed from the day that you lose somebody. I wasn't planning about talking about this today.

Speaker 2: 7:44

I think it's nice, it is valuable if you're willing to share it.

Speaker 3: 7:48

I'm kind of thinking about this as we go along and it's it really is.

Speaker 3: 7:55

I don't think, first of all, none of us plan for bad things to happen in our lives, and I think dealing with the consequences of not only her sickness but also dealing with the consequences of her Passing, it wasn't something that I really thought about from day to day.

Speaker 3: 8:17

It was kind of like I took every day as it came and you had to deal with the circumstances of not only her sickness, okay, but also the circumstances of kind of what am I gonna do after she passes? And I'll give you guys a great example, and one of them being that, like when she passed away, it was the middle of COVID, it was August of 2020, and In August of 2020 we we were only allowed to have 10 people max at her funeral, because that's what they would allow inside, and so we had 10 people, but we also had 200 screens from around the world attending her, her funeral, and which was an amazing tribute to her. But you know, that was that was probably the first thing that we kind of had to deal with, because people in August of 2020 remember, there were no vaccines or anything.

Speaker 3: 9:24

It was kind of the beginning of COVID and you know, at the beginning of COVID we did. None of us knew how to kind of deal with these things and and and so, from an emotional point of view, my sons and I are putting together this funeral During this COVID era, when Nobody knew how to behave or do things or whatever. And it was, it was a beautiful ceremony and you know that we had all these people through video and and everything was just amazing. I Don't know how we got on that topic.

Speaker 2: 10:06

We asked no, no, I'm talking about the whole thing. It had to be, hard though.

Speaker 3: 10:11

I know what I was saying. What I was talking about was trying, you know, you have to deal with things as as they come and we had to deal with COVID at the time that that she passed away. So taking that to the next step, you know, I went away for a couple weeks after that to kind of get my head together. I went down to Kila. I wanted to play golf which was amazing and visit my sister who lives in Buford and Thought a lot, had to think a lot, and I came, I talked to a lot of friends of mine and I came back to Park City in the middle of October and and I said, what am I going to do with my life? Because I really hadn't thought Kind of forward, because when we're I don't know whether you guys have ever lost like a Significant other or something or something, but you know you just don't think about it in the moment and I think that's just human nature. You know, in what I do I see that I mean. You know I try and tell people you know you got to think forward if, god forbid, something happens what None of us want to do that at the end of the day in In October, the middle of October, I'm in this big house.

Speaker 3: 11:33

It's a middle of COVID. I'm like, okay, what am I going to do with the rest of my life? And I said you know what? My wife had been ill for about six years. And I said I'm gonna call All of my best friends around the country and tell them you know, I'm ready to kind of move on with my life. And what did that mean? It meant that I was ready to kind of start Maybe meeting another person, maybe dating. Remember, again, I keep on saying middle of COVID.

Speaker 3: 12:11

I mean we didn't know what was going to happen. It could have been two years, it could have been. I mean we didn't know at the time. I get a call back about five days later and my friend, my best friend in Cleveland, called me and they introduced me to this woman who is now my wife, my, my second wife. We were married a year ago.

Speaker 1: 12:39

So she's one of our yeah, we never.

Speaker 3: 12:42

Who would have thought about that at the end of the day, right? So?

Speaker 1: 12:47

anyway so what do you think?

Speaker 3: 12:48

That's a long.

Speaker 2: 12:51

Answer no. I it's nice to see you happy. Oh yeah, when I'm with you and Natalie, you guys seem very, very happy, so I'm glad that that that story has Taken the turn that it did. Everyone deals with grief in their own way and sometimes it takes a long, long time. And sometimes to get over it, you know you find, you find someone that that builds you and lifts you up, so I'm glad that that's happened to you.

Speaker 3: 13:23

I Was very lucky. I think it's really hard at my age I'm 65. I just turned 65 and and I think it's very Difficult to find somebody that you're Really a companion with.

Speaker 2: 13:46

Tell us a little bit about your family history, too, because you've told me some stories about you. Know what makes you who you are. Bruce is a wealth manager and Advises people with financial stuff, legal stuff. He's kind of a wizard in that industry. Has been very successful doing that, but he's got some really cool family history stories. So talk to some of those stories that are relevant, that make you who you are today and the person with the values that you have.

Speaker 3: 14:24

Yeah, my family history is really interesting. My new family office is called Rosehaven family office and it's actually it's actually named after the Name of my grandparents estate in Frederick, maryland. My grandparents lived on a 64 acre estate that I used to visit all the time. We used to go up there on the weekends. We lived in Baltimore. It was about a 45 minute drive and I spent summers there and it was. It was kind of like I Was trying to think today, this morning, before the this Podcast, that I'm trying to think of the TV show, to equate it to, but my, my parents had like a farm, a farm hand who would take us fishing. It was almost like the I don't know, you guys are too young to probably remember this the Andy Griffith show.

Speaker 2: 15:26

Yeah, I remember I could whistle that whole, that whole theme song. When I was a kid it was. I risked rush from school to watch that one and they.

Speaker 3: 15:35

We would literally go fishing with sticks in our hands on my, on my grandparents estate. But the history is is really interesting. There is a picture in the Smithsonian from Frederick during the Civil War and it's of my great-great-grandfather's store, general Store Rosenstock, as was the last name, and they were some of the first Jews who moved to Frederick back in the mid-1800s, and so the Confederate army was marching into Frederick and there's a picture of the Confederate army and my great-great-grandfather's store was there. So that's how far back my family goes in Maryland. It's interesting because my grandmother her last name was Khan C-A-H-N and my grandfather's name was Rosenstock, and my grandfather was a famous lawyer in Frederick and actually helped rewrite the Maryland Constitution back in the mid-1970s. But on my grandmother's side she grew up in New York. Like Great Gatsby, she grew up on Park Avenue.

Speaker 3: 17:10

My great-grandfather was a famous currency trader, which I happened to do for 20 years, and I did not know this when I started trading currencies. So his firm was bought out by Charlie Merrill of Merrill Lynch, and my family goes back with Charlie Merrill to the mid-1920s. My great-grandfather then started a bank called Mercantile Bank in Delaware, and so we were in the banking business for a long time too. My grandfather was on the board of a bank in Frederick, maryland, called Farmers and Mechanics, and I have to tell you I talked to my nephew the other day and what's important about this is that my nephew is a chip off the old block of my great-grandfather. He's been at Merrill Lynch now for 20 years. He's 42 years old and he runs now one of the largest businesses at Merrill Lynch and I'm just so proud of him.

Speaker 2: 18:30

It sounds like the family history of great-great-grandpa has trickled down through the generations and I mean you're doing a lot of the same things. Does that feel good to you? Do you feel like that's part of your family history? Do you feel like you know him better through that? Or did that play into your decision to do what you do for a living?

Speaker 3: 18:50

I don't think it's anything we all plan about. I think it's in our genetics, but I don't think it's something we plan for. I always had an interest in trading and finance for some reason. I mean, my father was a great salesman. He was in the spice business. On my father's side they were always in the food business. So I didn't really know that much about my grandfather's history or, I'm sorry, my great-grandfather's history before I started my career. Pretty cool old history.

Speaker 1: 19:34

Yeah, it's super cool, your sons they in the business, that same kind of business. They're not really.

Speaker 3: 19:39

Now my sons are much smarter than I am, so Went a little bit different direction. Yeah, so my oldest son works for Apple and he's done very well for himself. He's been there five years and before that was with Capital One. He was actually in the finance business, but not in the same way I was. My younger son is very successful with Salesforce, so they're both kind of in the technology area, but still very good at math. Let me put it that way.

Speaker 1: 20:22

Which is great. Wish I was better at math. So how about mentors in your life? So you talked about your family. Are there some mentors, or maybe books, that have majorly influenced you, that have helped you become who you are today?

Speaker 3: 20:38

Mentors in my life were definitely my father. My father. He was a great guy and unfortunately he passed away too early of dementia. It was just too early. I didn't know him for the last two years of his life. But it's funny.

Speaker 3: 20:58

When I was kind of thinking about this podcast and who were the mentors in my life and I would also say my mother was my mentor as well I wouldn't say I have anybody professionally that would be my mentor, although I would say my nephew is now my mentor, so because he's been so successful in the business that we both do. But my father was just a really nice man and he was super motivated and my mother was a. I wrote this morning about her involvement in politics. She really did want to change the world and that was her kind of mantra. But my father I would say watching him work hard. He was there on the weekends to coach our little league teams or take a skating. Hard to believe we won skating in Baltimore, but we did when the weather was a lot different. But I had a pretty good family upbringing, I have to say.

Speaker 2: 22:36

What would you say are some of those values that stick out to you the most, that your parents passed on to you?

Speaker 3: 22:46

My parents were, as I said, especially my dad, were hardworking. My mom was always there for us. It was a different time for kids. We used to go out and we'd come home from school and we'd take our bikes and we'd go out and we wouldn't come home till 6 o'clock or 7 o'clock, when the street lights came on.

Speaker 3: 23:11

When the street lights came on, exactly. But my mom was. I kind of had like an Ozzie and Harriet kind of upbringing. My mom didn't work so she was home. When we got home it was a different life in that we would come home from school and she would put out cookies and milk and kind of stupid stuff like that where you just don't see that today.

Speaker 3: 23:42

And I think I'm kind of changing the subject here. But I think that things like that where we don't see that today is that I think it allows us as people to kind of grow differently than kind of be in this kind of mindset of you have to go from soccer practice to piano practice to, you know, doing your homework and everything. I think kids today are much more what do I want to say? Over-scheduled, regimented, than it was when I was growing up and I'm sure you know, if you talk to my father at the same age I was, you know he would probably say something different about his childhood and how he grew up. But my parents and I would say my grandparents, were also my mentors.

Speaker 3: 24:50

I know that's kind of crazy, but there's so many things I remember about my grandmother and grandfather, especially on my mother's side. This is the ones that lived in Frederick. But I remember spending summers with them and just you know whether it was going to work with my grandfather going to get the mail, I mean, and my grandfather owned this. I'll never forget this Tornado. You probably wouldn't even remember what a Tornado was, I think it was. It was kind of like the Cadillac of that time, you know, back in the 60s. I don't even remember the make of it, but I just remember my grandfather being just like one of those guys you just kind of look up to and say, wow, you know. And my grandmother, on the other hand, was just one of these people that you could talk to about anything. My grandmother lived until she was 94.

Speaker 1: 26:00

Okay, and lived through the depression, right.

Speaker 3: 26:01

She did.

Speaker 1: 26:02

Yeah, that changes people. I think it did anyway.

Speaker 3: 26:06

So yeah, there I would say you know my parents and my and my grandparents, and I have a sister and brother also, who I think would probably say the same thing. In fact, I was talking to my sister yesterday.

Speaker 3: 26:23

My sister's three years older and my sister was always called the princess, and I think, my parents favored her a little bit, but that's okay and but I'm really close with her and we were talking about she's going back to Maryland, to Frederick, and they had a fair in Frederick County Fair, which was always mid September, and we used to always go as kids and you know, my grandmother, who lived there she was actually my grandma was a very good artist. She did a lot of oil painting and won a lot of awards for doing and she always displayed at the Frederick Fair and so we used to go every year and and as kids. And it's amazing what you remember as kids, right?

Speaker 3: 27:13

I mean you guys remember stuff as kids. I mean just crazy stuff, right, anyway. So my sister's going back to the Frederick Fair for the first time, probably in 40 years. This this awesome September so.

Speaker 2: 27:29

I love that. I love the family history part of your story, like that your parents and your grandparents were your mentors and that you can remember all of those lessons that they taught you and that you know your siblings would say the same thing. How have you taken those things that have been taught to you and pass them on to the next generation in your sons?

Speaker 3: 27:51

Great question.

Speaker 3: 27:53

So my kids knew their great grandparents, right, my grandparents, they knew, they knew them, which I think especially my older son and they also had a very close relationship with their, with my parents and and with my late wife's parents as well. But I think they probably spent more time with with my parents and I think the same values that my parents instilled in me they also instilled in my two boys and that's why there is very little divorce in our family, very, in fact. If you go and you look at my grandparents and you look at between my aunt and my mother, they had seven kids. Every marriage is still together and six of them were married. And then if you look at the grand grandchildren, every marriage is still together. What are the odds of that?

Speaker 3: 29:12

Not super common these days, yeah, you know I mean. And there think about the grandchildren. Every marriage is still together and that's crazy. There's. There's got to be something behind that.

Speaker 2: 29:25

What do you think that is? Do you think it's like conflict resolution or being able to talk about differences or acceptance of differences, or what value was that that that has trickled down through those generations that make those generations that make those marriages strong? Because I think that's something that a listener could say. That's something I'm going to make sure happens in my family.

Speaker 3: 29:48

Well, it's interesting I have to correct myself my, my aunt, my mother's twin sister, did get divorced, okay, but then she got remarried. But other than that, when you look at the grandkids, every, every grandchild has has been in long marriages and I don't know what the answer is to that. I think it comes back to my grandparents again, because they all, we all, kind of grew up on this kind of state and this estate was like you can't make it up. It was like this country estate in the middle of nowhere and and you just had freedom there. And I think that that type of freedom and values that my grandparents had was instilled in every one of the grandchildren that are still married and I would still be married today that I not lost my wife. But you know, I look at my sister and my brother and you know all my cousins. I mean that's crazy, right that everybody and I'm talking 30, 40 years, what, what is that value? I guess it's probably listening to your spouse.

Speaker 2: 31:12

I mean well, communication, I think right.

Speaker 3: 31:15

I mean, we can go down this road if you want to. Marriage is not easy. Yeah, it's a partnership, right? Absolutely.

Speaker 1: 31:24

Yeah, they must have created some kind of a basis of what a good marriage looks like, right, they must have created some kind of a culture in your family that that they everyone said well, this is what it looks, this is what a good marriage looks like.

Speaker 1: 31:42

And we believe I think sometimes it's a like if you grew up and it was rough, well, and that's what your culturally, that's how you feel a marriage looks like, right, the estate, the good marriage there was like this vision of what it could be that seems to have cascaded in your family, right, and I'm just I'm just kind of thinking out loud what's the why, based on what you told us?

Speaker 1: 32:07

You know, that's what it feels like to me is that, like there was this vision of what it could look like, and that's great. I think anyone wants their family to have like this vision of this is, culturally, this is how it feels, this is what it looks like, and if you can get that embedded in your family culture, I think one of our other guests talked about telling family stories being a really important part of culture in a family. If you can tell these stories, yeah, positive stories about this is who we are. Our family is this way. Let me tell you a story about it, and it seems like you have that in your, in your family and your lineage.

Speaker 3: 32:49

That's also part of what we try and do at our family office is to talk to other generations about have one generation talk to another generation to kind of give them more history about what's going on. I'm not saying financially, but more so the values go down from generation to generation. It was one thing that we have found as a difference maker in in trying to pass down wealth to from one generation to another, and that's one of the more difficult things that I find in my generation that they have a tough time kind of talking about you know values and if you look at successful families and and how they passed kind of generational whether it's generational wealth or generational values or whatever that is that's what we feel is is is one of the most important things. That being said, let me say one other thing about that I I need to say about my family, and it's really interesting because not only do my grandparents own the state in Frederick Maryland but they also owned four working farms and I have no idea how many thousands of acres they owned in Frederick Maryland and on these four working farms that we used to go visit and I mean we used to take cheaps out and take them around the property and like it was crazy.

Speaker 3: 34:37

It was kind of like, probably here in Utah, you where you go and you know if you have a ranch or something like that, you just go on for miles, kirk, you have a ranch right. You just go on for miles, right. And so so that being said, we had all of this land, or my grandparents did, on both sides of the family and in Frederick, and eventually it all got sold, unfortunately at the wrong time, because Frederick blew up in in the 1980s as a suburb to Washington DC and the land values went from basically nothing to God knows what they are today. I think values are really important and I do think I mean we could, we could get on to this, but I don't think it's. It's appropriate for this podcast about. You know the financial side of you. Know why financial decisions are made in many families, especially for generational wealth.

Speaker 2: 35:45

Yeah, you have a really well-rounded worldview because you've traveled a lot and you've also lived in a lot of different places. Talk to us about how living in different places around the world has shaped your worldview of humanity and the type of person that you've chosen to be.

Speaker 3: 36:05

So not only do I have the the fortune of having a an amazing family history, but I've also been able to kind of make my own history over time. I started in the banking business in 1980 in Cleveland but went into the trading business. I traded currencies, as I said earlier, and I was lucky enough at a young age to age 28. My wife and I and my young, my older son, who was a year and a half at the time, we were moved to Sydney, australia, and we were able to be in Australia, probably well before Australia got on the map as a really significant player in the world today, and so we lived there. And then in 1990, that was in 1985, so I was 28, and we lived there for about a year came back. We lived in New York.

Speaker 3: 37:20

So we lived in New York for a couple years and then I was asked to come back to Cleveland to run a trading room for British Petroleum and BP was obviously a British based company and in 1992, they tapped me on the on the shoulder and said we want you to move to London.

Speaker 3: 37:40

I was like, okay, my kids were seven and four at the time and it was a great experience for them, so they were able to get the experience of being in London and they still remember and it's hard to believe that even my younger son, who was four years old at the time, still remembers going to Montessori School there. So we lived in Kensington in London and traveled all over Europe. Actually for the year we were there and then we came back and we were in Cleveland for quite a long time, although I used to travel to Europe all the time with BP and they also used to send me to Australia because we had a big trading arm down in Melbourne. So I was pretty familiar both with London, europe and Australia. I always say I was very lucky to be able to be in those different places of the world and kind of see, as a young person at that time, to see all of these different opportunities and places.

Speaker 1: 38:55

I think when you see the world, it changes who you are and how you see things and the way you act, and it's just opened your eyes.

Speaker 2: 39:03

It's good for kids too. I don't know if you remember David Gilliland was taking his kids to Brazil. Well, I spoke at one of his conferences last week and I asked him how it was and he's just like an amazing experience. We had to get there and find shelter, find food, those types of experiences of taking your kids down to Australia and London and these things have probably shaped them into the men that they are today because of those experiences. So I think, if you're listening to the podcast and what can I take away from this I'd say give yourself an opportunity, give your kids the opportunity to see things outside the bubble that they might live in, so that they can develop a worldview that's diverse and that they can know how other people live and understand other cultures. I think that's a really important part of being a good world citizen. So well, we're out of time. Corey, you want to ask our guest of honor the question of the day?

Speaker 1: 40:14

It's a good question and he very much looks like a gentleman today. By the way, he looks very dapper.

Speaker 3: 40:22

I'm dressed in Kirk Chug clothes. Of course, the Haberdasher.

Speaker 1: 40:28

And when you said you were 65, I was surprised because I thought 55 maybe look very good for your age. Thank you very much. Yeah, I don't know what you do, but I'm going to have to write it down after the podcast. It's called short hair.

Speaker 3: 40:41

It's called no hair.

Speaker 2: 40:43

His barbers been busy.

Speaker 1: 40:46

So, sir, what does it mean to you to be a gentleman?

Speaker 3: 40:52

I think being a gentleman is just being a good person. I think it's doing the right thing always. I think there's so many people in this world I don't understand. My wife and I shake our heads about it all. My wife, natalie, and I shake our heads about it all the time. It's just that there are so many good people in this world but there's so many people that you kind of question about how they got to where they are. So I think being a good person, I think always doing the right thing, is really our mantra. Do the right thing.

Speaker 3: 41:39

You have to have a philosophy of having a goal, of where you want to kind of be in life, and I always say you do what you have to do To survive in life. You do what you have to do. And what people may take away from this podcast today is that, hey, this guy's had a great life but he's also had adversity and he's been able to get through the adversity. The reason I've gotten through the adversity is, as I started out on the podcast today, is you live every day all right, you do what you have to do and you'd be a good person.

Speaker 2: 42:28

Well, thank you. Thank you, Perce. You're welcome.

Speaker 3: 42:32

We appreciate you coming in today. Thanks for having me.

Speaker 2: 42:35

Thank you for joining us on the Gentleman Project podcast today. If you heard something today that Bruce said that impacted you, that you might pass on to someone else. It might help them. Please do so. Act on each good thought. I'm Kirk Chug.

Speaker 1: 42:49

I'm Corey Moore. Thanks for joining us.