The Murphy Monday Podcast
This podcast is designed to celebrate the life and career of the legendary actor/ comedian EDDIE MURPHY. Each week our host (Nigel Fullerton @nigelfullerton_ ) and a special guest will breakdown a movie from Eddie’s catalog. We’ll talk about his influence , his impact and do some Eddie Murphy trivia.
The Murphy Monday Podcast
The "Purple leather, Red Leather" Episode
Eddie Murphy's Raw stands as a landmark comedy special that showcases a 27-year-old superstar at the height of his powers, wearing his iconic leather outfit at Madison Square Garden. The 1987 concert film combines brilliant impressions, storytelling, and controversial material that still resonates and provokes discussion decades later.
• Haji Outlaw shares his experience watching Raw at age 9 despite his mother's objections
• Raw vs. Delirious debate reveals how Raw captured Murphy at his fame peak
• Eddie Murphy's iconic leather outfit became untouchable for future comedians
• Discussion of how Raw initially received an X-rating requiring extensive negotiations
• Raw remains the 5th highest-grossing concert film of all time
• Examination of Eddie's crossover appeal and impact on Black cinema
• Critics like Roger Ebert had mixed reactions despite the special's massive success
• The scripted opening featuring Samuel L. Jackson and future stars was groundbreaking
• Eddie Murphy's impressions of Bill Cosby and Richard Pryor stand as comedy classics
• Murphy retired from stand-up shortly after Raw as his fame made it difficult to test material
Support Haji Outlaw's upcoming stand-up special "Spangled" and check out his music with Boldy James and the Cool Kids dropping this summer.
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Literally, eddie Murphy retired leather suits for any comedian ever. They can't, they can't do it, no one can do it. If anyone shows up on stage anywhere, leather pants, any leather, they're like oh, you're trying to be Eddie Murphy.
Speaker 3:Mom, I got a joke. Shh Little Eddie got a joke to tell Go Eddie, I got a joke to tell Westie was a lion and a monkey. And the monkey said I can make the weather change. The lion said, no, you can't. So the monkey started climbing up the tree and then he started peeing on the lion's head. No, it's raining. Then he started farting. Now there's thunder. Then he started tootling, Now it's snowing. So the lion said oh yeah, well, I can make the stars come out. Then he kicked them in the ding ding. Thank you.
Speaker 4:Doo doo lad, that boy's got talent. Hey y'all, we are back. Welcome to another episode of the Murphy Monday podcast, the only podcast that celebrates the life and career of Eddie Murphy. I'm your host, nigel A Fullerton. This week we have one of the writers for the Eric Andre show. He's also one of the comedians you should know. He's produced songs for Boldy James, the Cool Kids. He has a new stand-up special that's coming out this summer called Spangled. Ladies and gentlemen, give it up for Haji Outlaw. This week's episode, we discuss the differences between Eddie Murphy Delirious and Eddie Murphy Raw. If you haven't already, please like, share and subscribe. Tell an Eddie Murphy fan too. Tell an Eddie Murphy fan that you love this podcast and, with all hearts and minds clear, let's start this show previously previously previously on the murphy monday podcast.
Speaker 4:What was your first introduction to eddie murphy?
Speaker 6:oh man, I'm so glad you brought this up. It's funny. I just told somebody that story recently. I'm 47 years old. It happened when I was 13. Every day I watch TV. I see the promo for Raw and I'm like, yeah, that's in the movies. You mean like a movie movie, like a downtown Brooklyn movie. So I found out. I looked in the newspaper, I looked, I got myself a daily news. I looked in the newspaper section where the movies used to be and I saw that that shit was playing downtown at the, at the. It wasn't a duffield. The duffield was on duffield place, around the corner from fulton mall, but it was playing on fulton, around the corner from from j street, where now there's a church, but it used to be a movie theater.
Speaker 6:My mom gave me $60 to get the new Nikes and I was like, fuck them Nikes, I'm going to get me some cheap sneakers and go see the movie with some of the money. I creep over to the movie theater. It's about 1 o'clock in the afternoon and there's this young chick in the box office. I guess she's an older teenager and I was like one for Raw please. And she was like and she gave me the ticket and I was out. She didn't even and I know I look young for my age she was just like, well, I guess he's supposed to be here. She gave me the fucking ticket, didn't give me any hassle.
Speaker 6:This is an R-rated movie. Yeah, I went in there. It's an R-rated movie. Yeah, I went in there. I ran to the theater because I didn't want no popcorn, I want nobody seeing me, I want no reason to kick me out, right? So I ran in the movie theater. I had food on me anyway, yeah, and I watched this fucking movie he opened up with I would like to talk to you. I said he's trashing Bill Cosby. This is awesome. I've been watching the Cosby show. I had watched Bill Cosby himself. It's like King Kong versus Godzilla almost it was crazy. I was just like. And then he started talking about sex and when you're young, you get your shoulders in the fucking. What are these things?
Speaker 4:We've been waiting for a long time. Yes, we've been waiting for a long, long time.
Speaker 3:Good morning, my neighbor.
Speaker 4:Jesus Christ. This is becoming very irritating.
Speaker 1:I think I was nine years old when Raw came out and so I asked my mom. I was like, hey, mom, can we go see Raw? And my mom like Richard Pryor, so she knew what Eddie was going to be talking about, she was like, no, no, you're entirely too young to watch this. But that next weekend I was with my dad. So I asked my dad. I'm like, hey, dad, can we go see Eddie Murphy Raw? I don't know if he just didn't care or if he didn't know, but he told me to go see him at nine years old. So first five minutes of the movie, you know, with Lil' Lop we got like, who's it? Like Rudy from the Cosby Show?
Speaker 4:and Bud. Yeah, bud Bud. Tatiana Lee's in there. Yeah, yeah, a couple other people yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that part, like I, was cool. But as he starts talking, I remember like 15 minutes into it I remember looking over at my dad and being like I should not be watching this. And the biggest thing I remember for that as a kid I remember when Eddie Mercer described how he's got to get a woman who's buck naked on a horse and I remember saying to myself I can picture that. That's good, that's a good one, eddie, that's a good one. I was like I got in trouble for that Because my mom was like I told you not to go see it. My dad said anyway. So that was one of the first times I got in trouble for something.
Speaker 1:Man, was that like your first introduction to Eddie Murphy?
Speaker 4:As far as like full-on stand-up besidesL was probably the first time, or just.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've been in SNL seeing something like either James Brown, you know, hot Tub Skit or something like that.
Speaker 4:It's funny because a lot of people's first introductions like very it's either very tame or very like awkward. So like you, for you it was like Saturday Night Live, then Raw, for me it was Golden Child.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 4:That was like my first, because it's the first one that was pg13, like it was the only.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's right. Yeah, I didn't think about that.
Speaker 4:Yeah, because trading places and everything everything else was rated r yeah, even even though it was cop everything except for okay, yeah yeah, and like my dad used to dress like eddie murphy didn't know back then now like, as I see, like the skinny tie, the jet, like everything. So it's amazing how Eddie Murphy influences people. Do you feel like you're influenced by Eddie Murphy at any point?
Speaker 1:oh, uh, easily. I mean, first of all he was so funny because, like, as a performer he's great, but then in impersonations he's lights out and I remember seeing him just being like there's no way I could do what that guy's doing ever. But like he's great. But then in impersonations he's lights out and I remember seeing him just being like there's no way I could do what that guy's doing ever, but like he's like to me. He has the best 10 year run in comedy I've ever seen like 81 through 91. No one's come close to that run. We had television a lot, stand up a lot and movies a lot. So he's like the pinnacle of like being funny.
Speaker 1:And I'll tell you another funny story. It was I was writing for Hannibal. He was doing a show on comedy central. We're writing jokes for him to come up there and it was some. Someone had a joke that was going to be like making fun of Eddie Murphy, something with a transgender or something like that. And I remember being like me, being like, nah, I can't, I ain't doing that to Eddie. And Hannibal looked at me and he's like, nah, i'm't doing that to Eddie. And Anibal, looking at me, is like no, I'm not doing that joke.
Speaker 4:He's like yeah, like no, I'm not doing that joke. Bill Cosby yes. Eddie Murphy no.
Speaker 1:Exactly, yeah, cosby all day. Yeah, knock that out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, not Eddie Nah.
Speaker 4:That's hilarious.
Speaker 1:You know there's some people that are raw guys and some people who delirious guy. So you a raw guy or delirious guy? Oh I mean, I love both. I put them easily top at least one of them's top seven stand-ups ever. I think delirious might be a little tighter because his fame at raw was like nearing its peak, like like it's, like it's. He talked about that. I think he retired from stand-up like a year or two after he had to yeah, he was just too big.
Speaker 4:He was at the top of his game, like, like, as you re-watch raw right, you get to a point where you think about he's 27, 28 years old. You know, I'm saying he's wearing leather outfits. He's at the peak of his career. You've got people screaming eddie, eddie. Like that, right, there is like how you leave on top, like there's no way, like if he was to get back on stage, like after that moment, it'd probably be like there's a difference between live and Sunset Strip and here and now. Yeah.
Speaker 4:And I'm talking about Richard Pryor specials, but you know what I'm getting at.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like his fame had just gotten so big. He talked about that. It's hard for him to like gauge if jokes are working because he's such a star People screaming his name when he's doing new material it's hard for him to gauge is this working or is it just the fame of how big he is? Because even Richard Pryor was big but he wasn't the number one box office smash. Beverly Hills Cop. That was the number one R-rated comedy movie until the Hangover 2,.
Speaker 4:I want to say yeah, I think so yeah.
Speaker 1:That's like what 30 years. So his star power is the highest you'll probably ever see. So to do stand-up, which you kind of got to be somewhat of like a working man and lead somewhat, he was way past that and his whole life. The leather outfits you look at his wives, ex-wives everyone's dropped dead gorgeous.
Speaker 4:It's crazy, because I'm a Delirious guy I actually saw Raw first.
Speaker 4:I think, that's why, I'm a Delirious guy, mostly because Delirious was like I remember seeing it like in the video store, and it was like him in the red leather outfit I'm like, oh, what's this? I've never seen this before and it was like an HBO special that nobody really knew. So Raw was like the first concert special I seen. And then I went back to Delirious. So for me I love Raw, but I have a special, special thing for like delirious for like the most part.
Speaker 4:But yeah, this is um. This is basically. We're here to talk about the 1987 film concert film, eddie murphy raw, which I've been wanting to talk about for like past couple of years. I haven't gotten to it. And this I I said when I saw you on set I was like this is the perfect time to do it. I was like let's get into it, because I really want to talk about the things I didn't realize, especially in that intro that you were talking about before, where you have a young Samuel L Jackson. I love that doo-doo line. That boy's got talent.
Speaker 1:Oh, I forgot about that. Okay, yeah.
Speaker 4:You have Bud from the Cosby Show Satyaan Ali. And what I didn't notice. I don't know if you noticed this Damian Dante Wayans is one of the kids in there running around.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I had no idea. I had no idea.
Speaker 4:I just figured that out. Leonard jackson, who played the scientist in boomerang, the one yeah, the one she threw his her panties at him. Yeah, and he was so disgusting. He's in the film playing eddie murphy's uncle and then playing eddie murphy's father. You're not gonna believe this. He was in the movie Mark for Death as Screwface.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, I remember that. Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, all right.
Speaker 4:It's an amazing start for a concert film. Now, like before this this film, there weren't a lot of concert films.
Speaker 1:Yeah, certainly wasn't for anyone black. I mean, I don't think anyone had done, because I think that wasn't. It wasn't it at master square garden?
Speaker 4:it was at master square garden. The only person that I know to actually do a concert film stand-up concert film was richard pryor and strike the match like this what's that richardryor running down the street? I looked this up and the highest grossing concert film we're talking music and movies is Taylor Swift. Right, she's number one. Number two is Justin Bieber and this is highest grossing concert films Three Hannah Montana, miley Cyrus, four One Direction and the fifth one is Eddie Murphy Raw.
Speaker 1:Still.
Speaker 4:Still.
Speaker 1:I made a killing. I made a killing on that thing, man, because Raw didn't cost me. It couldn't have cost nothing compared to all those musical ones, just the cost on it.
Speaker 4:It couldn't, because I actually watched an interview with Robert Townsend and he said they only did two shoots. They only shot twice. How many?
Speaker 7:shows. Did you shoot Two At the Paramount Theater in Madison Square Garden?
Speaker 4:You, at nine years old, trying to figure out what a butt-making lady on a horse meant and something shooting fire at your dick. Excuse me, doc, what does it mean when?
Speaker 5:you go to the bathroom and fire, shoot out your dick.
Speaker 1:I know a lot of it just went right over my head. It was just cool to see Eddie Murphy on a big screen and then some stuff actually hit me, like the this closing bit when, if he's doing like his dad or his uncle doing the mess up song, nothing from nothing to nothing.
Speaker 5:I do something motherfucker punch you in the mouth. I know you wanna leave. I got one of those father gets drunk and sings old Motown songs to you in his argument and fucks up all the lyrics and think he's saying it right before. I know you're gonna leave me, but I refuse to let you go. Lillian, the lyrics and think he's saying it right but going. I know you're going to leave me, but I refuse to let you go, lillian. What did you do? No, don't tell me nothing. Nobody gets punched for nothing. What, eddie? Don't tell no, no, don't say nothing. Eddie, nothing from nothing leaves nothing. Had to do something. Motherfucker. Punch you in the mouth.
Speaker 1:That stuff I would get, but like some of the stuff, like it would just go over my head. I do remember he talked about Johnny Carson, because I watched Carson. He talked about how like his ex got like $300 million and he's like he's like ain't no pussy worth $300 million. I'd like I'd put it on layaway, like that stuff. I was like okay, okay, I get that I've had my share of pussy.
Speaker 5:I have. Yet, even if the pussy was great and spark shot out the woman's ass and cannons bled and the mountains crumbled and the seeds roared. No pussy is worth 150 million dollars. No pussy, no pussy. I like to meet some pussy like that. Put the shit on layaway.
Speaker 1:But, like I'd say, 70% of it was just like okay, I have no idea what he's doing here.
Speaker 4:You know it is crazy. But you know what also is crazy? Like for me, the, I guess, the impressions. I guess for me not not being able to. I've never saw a delirious. So before this I didn't know that he could do impressions like that. So for me I didn't know he could do Bill Cosby.
Speaker 1:Yeah, perfect.
Speaker 4:Perfectly, and this is like one of the first people to actually do. Now it's kind of hacky, but back then it was, you know, cosby, he did Cosby, then he did Pryor. Then you're like holy yo, what is going on?
Speaker 6:I would like to talk to you about some of the things that you do in your job.
Speaker 5:You cannot say filth, flarn filth, flarn filth in front of people. And I said I never said no filth flarnaring filth in front of people. And I said I never said no filth flaring filth. He says you know what I'm talking about. I can't use the type of language that you use, but you know what I mean when I say filth flaring, flaring, flaring filth. And I said I never said no filth flaring filth and I don't know what you're talking about. I'm offended that you called fuck you. And that's when Bill got pissed and said that's what I'm talking about. You cannot say fuck In front of people. And I got mad. I was so mad I called Richard Pryor's house up and said yo, richard, bill Cosby just called me up and told me I was too dirty. And Richard said the next time a motherfucker called tell him. I said suck my dick.
Speaker 1:That's like his superpower, like he can write stuff, be a great performer, but when you do impressions, that thing translates everywhere and he's dead on. Like you watch him later on even go back to Lyric. There's a scene where his brother yells out from the audience.
Speaker 5:I'm winded I'm out of breath, I'm sweating and shit. Thank you, y'all didn't know I was a ventriloquist too.
Speaker 1:And it's like oh my God. And he says like y'all didn't know I could throw my voice or something like that. I'm like, oh my God, if you've seen him do his impression of Charlie Murphy, it's unbelievable.
Speaker 4:His impression of Charlie Murphy is amazing, I mean if you ever see the movie Tower of Ice?
Speaker 1:that's all Charlie Murphy. I think we were talking about that.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I didn't realize that was all Charlie, but it makes sense that is the best Charlie Murphy impression he's ever done Questions yeah.
Speaker 5:Who's that girl in the red dress? She got the kind of titties I like to play with. That's.
Speaker 4:Marianne from Sales. She's a lesbian.
Speaker 3:Well, I'm lost. Like, how many lesbians total do we have to avoid?
Speaker 5:None, we're not avoiding lesbians. I don't avoid lesbians at all. I seek lesbians out. Lesbians get touched delicately by other lesbians.
Speaker 4:It's just amazing, like watching this piece of film, this work, bit by bit, line by line. He starts off talking about what he did in Delirious and then brings it to the now controversial his, his bit about gay people.
Speaker 1:Oh, it opened a bit too. When you go back, I remember I was in college when I first got to see Delirious, because I'd seen I said I'd seen Raw. But in college I was at FAMU and my first meet we didn't have cable. All we had was, like I think, a VHS of Damon Wayans and Major Payne and Eddie Murphy delirious so we watched the crap out of that and I was like sitting there being like even in college. I was like wow, I didn't know you could even open up your whole set.
Speaker 5:I did die jokes about homosexuals about a couple years ago and faggots were mad. They were like, and they were. It's nothing like having a nation of fags looking for you. I'd be at parties. There's always two or three homosexuals at a party and they'd be standing around looking at you. They'd be looking at you. He's an asshole. I can't travel the country freely, no more. I can't go to San Francisco. They got a 24 hour homo watch waiting for me in there for them. As soon as I got off the plane, they be like he's here. Yes, yes, it's him, yes, it's him. And the cars that come rushing across town be woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, and there won't be no siren. It'll be a real fag sitting on the roof going woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo woo and it won't be no siren, be real flexing on the roof.
Speaker 5:Woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo say, cannon will be here to get you in the court of law. You had right to in the turn. Now turn around. I'm going to frisk you. Are you carrying any concealed weapons? Are you carrying what is this? What is this?
Speaker 1:I don't know how raw you want to get with like literally on the order it says number one facts. That's his first bit yeah and I was like wow.
Speaker 4:On the albums, yeah, that's. And then there's one album that's just revisited. Wow, Like it was so hot, you know big, that you had to revisit. Like, come on, it's, it's. We laugh at it now but like in this day and age and since then he's actually apologized for those jokes oh, yeah, yeah. And now a lot of people think that censorship is a thing now. Do you think censorship is what's hurting comedy or what? What's helping comedy?
Speaker 1:I don't know if it's hurting or helping. I would say that it's really like the big corporations they're just scared. They're just scared to like anyone who has anything controversial or can be perceived as controversial. They're worried about losing fan base and losing money. So it's really not necessarily the comedians who are scared to do stuff. It's mainly like the corporation are like well, we don't want to touch, we don't want to touch Dave Chappelle, or we don't want to have people who are going to do controversial stuff. So now you see a bunch of kind of homogenized safe jokes around certain areas. So it's I'd say it's more of a corporate culture, because now the Internet's so fast. You say something and bang, bang, bang. All of a sudden you're going viral Something you said two years ago, 10 years ago, and you're going to lose jobs.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I think it's. I think it's twofold, I think. Like I think for the first part of it, you know, have we become too safe? Have we? Have we been doing safe jokes? I think, for the people who feel that everything's too quote-unquote censored now, I think that they need to write better jokes. Oh, yeah, and what I mean by that is, like you know, there's certain things like we're talking about with and we use the F word and I'm sorry for people who are offended by the F word, but we use that word sparingly only because that's what the bit was called but trying to do that same joke now, in 2025, it's like come on, everybody has done that joke, so now what are we going to do to elevate the joke? I think when things are actually super funny, you can't cancel it. Yeah.
Speaker 5:I think that's it.
Speaker 4:I think that that's the thing. So like, even if you're afraid of, like people getting mad at you or whatever, I think if you make it funny enough, you elevate it to a point where, like okay, like it's funny, you can't debate it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean I say like, like Bill Burr does, that He'll take some kind of daring areas and he'll make it super funny. He's a really great writer, great comedian, but then he still gets some flack online for it. But he just he just in general, he just doesn't care Right. So that's the thing where, like you, if you're going to take a sensitive area, your writing and your delivery needs to be really, really good. You can't just kind of do stuff that like, oh, five years ago this was fine. It needs to be elevated and be better. That's the thing I think some comedians are like I won't say lazy, but you get comfortable doing a bit and like why isn't this working anymore? Well, society's kind of moved away from that, so it needs to be a little more nuanced, a little more slick in order to get the same laughs you got two years ago. That's it.
Speaker 4:Do you think that's what keeps Eddie Murphy back from going on stage?
Speaker 1:No, honestly. I mean I know he really enjoys acting. He really enjoys being just being an artist. I just saw a recent thing where, like I think it was, someone from Boys to Men was saying like he can play Tchaikovsky on the piano like he's just a an artist. I just saw a recent thing where, like I think it was, someone from Boys to Men was saying like he can play Tchaikovsky on the piano Like he's just a great artist. So I think acting keeps him honed in. So I don't think that stopped him from doing standup. But I think standup is such a pure thing the way he left. I think after a certain couple of years you got to be like there's no point to coming back unless it's just a money grab and he don't need no money.
Speaker 4:Some people would disagree with you. Really, yeah, because a lot of people. The criticism about Eddie Murphy is that he's doing these things for money. So, for instance, every movie that you've seen in the past 10, 20 years, they've said, oh, it's just a money grab for eddie murphy because he thinks, you know, oh, bibbler hill's cop four, oh, that's a money grab. Coming to america, that's a money grab. That's what they've been saying about every sequel that eddie murphy has put out in the past 20 years. Yeah, all right, I don't think. I mean, I don't agree with them. I think that I think that we want to see Eddie at his highest light and for us it's basically the movies that we grown to love that when we first met him. So, like, if he did a raw too, it's only because the people asked for it. The reasons why he did a Biblios cop two, three, because the people asked for it, the reasons why he did a Biblios cop two, three, four is because the people asked for it, exactly.
Speaker 1:Yeah, same thing with the coming to America, and like the coming to America too was bumpy. I remember it got panned a little bit, but I was like it's like pure nostalgia. It's basically like taking everything from the first one and just flipping it up a little bit for the sequel. So it's like a pure nostalgia film and I'm like, oh, I get that, because you're basically just saying they've been asking for this sequel for a long time. We're going to give you that same feeling, but just a little bit of nuance for the new generation. And that's exactly what he did.
Speaker 4:That's exactly what he did. That's the same way, same sentiment, same exact thing that I feel when it comes to that, because it's like I had to do it on this podcast, like I had to these movies I had to talk about. I had to talk about coming to America. I had to talk about Beverly Hills, cop 4 and the backlash behind it. And, granted, most of Eddie Murphy's movies have had bad reviews, really yes, most of them. If you look at, the only movies that didn't get panned were probably Beverly Hills Cop still has a favorable rating I got like 63% but for the most part, trading Places has favorable ratings. 48 Hours has favorable ratings. Bowfinger has favorable ratings Really Okay, every one of those movies has had bad ratings. From the movies that you love, you can name it, even this movie right here, eddie Murphy Raw, I have like some of the reviews from it. I went to Cisco and Ebert, who were the top critics of the 80s.
Speaker 2:Stop it. There's not a lot more that we can show you of Eddie Murphy Raw without you hearing more bleeps than words. He's foul, but very funny talking in brutally honest, comedic terms about sex and marriage. The concert tails off at the end somewhat with a tired bit about how badly white people dance. Most of us know that, but more often than not at least us two. More often than not, eddie Murphy lives up to the concert film standards set by the man he calls his idol, richard Pryor, and that is high praise. Indeed, I really liked Eddie Murphy raw and I knew that I would. He should release, I think, a concert film every year, because the parts that are written for him by and large, with the exception of 48 hours, really haven't been that good Gene.
Speaker 8:I don't think this film deserves comparison to Richard Pryor in any way, because what Richard Pryor has is insight and sympathy with the humanity of the people that he's making fun of, and that's the one thing that's lacking in this concert film by Eddie Murphy. It's an extremely juvenile film. The humor is extremely callow. You talk about his attack on Johnny Carson's wife. I don't believe anybody can get away with talking about blacks, the way that Eddie Murphy talks about women in this film. On the basis of what he says in this film and the way he uses the key four-letter word as a club.
Speaker 8:This movie hates and despises and puts down and rejects women and sees them only in terms of their sexual function?
Speaker 2:Not at all. Yes, it does. No, no, let me answer. Let me answer because the film comes around and goes right back and throws it back at men. Yes, it is more loaded against women than it is against men. But, roger, where is your sense of humor? It doesn't come around and throw it at men either.
Speaker 8:It sees everybody in terms of what takes place right between their belt and their knees, that's a joke.
Speaker 2:That's the only part of the human being that he's interested in.
Speaker 8:He's making a joke he doesn't have any interest at all in their personalities, in their problems, in their humanity. One of their problems is this is bathroom humor Gene.
Speaker 2:And it's very funny. It's very funny bathroom humor. It's not that.
Speaker 8:If you think it's funny? Then maybe you need to grow up along with Eddie Murphy.
Speaker 2:Oh, roger, that's right, you can both go to Richard Pryor and learn how to be a little more mature. No, let me tell you, it is very, very People who haven't seen this film are going to agree. Gee, Roger's right, it should be clean. It should be clean. You really play to the audience.
Speaker 8:I'm not playing to the audience and. I'm not saying it should be clean. I have nothing against four-letter language. I love it when Richard Pryor uses it. Richard Pryor uses it as poetry, eddie Murphy uses it as a bludgeon.
Speaker 2:Okay, I disagree with you.
Speaker 1:I think Richard Pryor is a getting there I guess if I was a 40 year old movie reviewer, I'm like eddie murphy is 27 years old, yeah, when this thing's released, so he's, he's doing it. The term when he's 25, 26, he's touring, he's an, he become an international movie star. So the women are coming like from, just from. The women who are coming after him are extremely thirsty. Before, at a time, that wasn't even a word. So his perception of women has got to be skewed, because he's coming from the projects in New York and now he comes to international star, so women are coming at him left and right. So, yeah, if you 20 something and you got a bunch of money and all these women you're living in. I think he was living in, like, new Jersey and in LA.
Speaker 4:Yeah, he was living in Jersey, yeah.
Speaker 1:So I'm like the amount of like his perception of women is not going to be what Roger Evers is when he's 42 years old. It's just, it's just not like. His perception of reality of women is like it's unlike anything you would you would ever see, because, like charlie talked about that and he used to just make a lap at a club and drain it like all the women would follow him and I'm like, yeah, yeah, that would change your perspective on women a little bit it would and like I think if we compare delirious like I won't compare eddie murphy to richardor I'll compare Raw to Delirious.
Speaker 4:Delirious was more surface. I feel like Raw was more personal. I felt like he had more personal stories, like to be that, to be as big in his career as he was at the time talking about trying to find women, you know, because that's his main thing. That's the whole reason why he made Coming to America is because he's like at the height of his fame and he's looking for somebody to trade his life with and he can't because there's so many different women out to get him.
Speaker 5:I'm a target If I ever get married. I have to go off to the woods of Africa and find me some crazy naked zebra bitch that knows nothing about money. She got to be butt naked on a zebra with a big bone in her nose and a big plate lip and a big fucked up afro. An afro got to be like Angela Davis seeing it and go God damn, that's fucked up. Afro got to be fucked up in one of them pics with a fist in the back and she got to be butt naked because she got some clothes she going to pocket, she going to have to put something in the pocket. So she got to be butt naked on a zebra and y'all think it's a joke. Y'all going to go I'm goingall gonna go past the newsstand one day and see me on the cover jet with some woman with a big bone and a plate and a big fucked up afro butt naked. You're gonna say hey, eddie must be visiting africa. Say murphy marries bush bitch. I'm gonna be like what, what? Because I ain't getting caught. I refuse to get caught out there. I ain't fucked that and I'm bringing her home and lock her up in the house.
Speaker 5:You go off to Africa and get you a bush woman. You can't let her mingle with American women because they'll change her shit up. American women stick together. Last thing they want to see is you got some trained bush bitch in your house. They will catch her by herself in the kitchen and throw a monkey wrench in your whole program. Soon, as they get alone, they'll be like I can't stand it. He'll be running behind him doing everything he tell you to do.
Speaker 5:Who do you think he is? You ain't no God. You're a human being. He ain't supposed to treat nobody. This house is too big for one person to be cleaning up. Why money? Did you know you could take half his money? Did you know that? Did you know you were tied? You? He didn't tell you in time to have? Oh, he only told you half the story. Then, girl, you can take half the money, the car, the house, the children, all the money he got you about, all the zebras and bones you want. Go back home and style girl. You don't have to put up with this shit and get your hair done right. Cut that big afro shit off and go back home to africa and stop. Who the hell he think is?
Speaker 5:Let me tell you something else. Hi, eddie, how you doing. Oh, I didn't know you was here. You scared me. I don't know. I can't stand. I was just talking to Oomfoofoo about a couple of things. No, no, no, no, I got to go. I got to go. You two, y'all, two lovebirds. Talk, eddie, talk to your woman, talk to Oomfoofoo Y'all got a lot to talk about and leave me in the kitchen with some bush bitch with an attitude. Eddie, eddie, I want to talk to you. What's your problem, baby? I don't like the way you treat me, eddie.
Speaker 1:You treat me like animals. Yeah, that's so what you gonna do. You know, that's the life you were living.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I'm just gonna date Jasmine Guy and you know, Robin Gibbons is free.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm. I mean he has a very. He had a very unusual, has a very unusual life and I know he wanted to settle down and have a family. I think he has like nine kids or something like that now yeah, he has more than that oh, more.
Speaker 1:Okay, he's at 11 11 to 12 now so now so he just wanted to be a family guy, so have a family Like that's. He comes from a big family, so I can see everything from Eddie's perspective on why he did stuff the way he did, and it was more personal. In Raw he talked about more of his struggles. That's why he talked about Carson being like trying to find a woman when you're this rich and famous is just hard, right, because they're all trying to get something out of you. That's the perception he had, yeah.
Speaker 4:And I think you're right. I think you touched on it before, where you were talking about how, when you reach height of fame, you can't relate to your audience anymore.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Because I think Jamie Foxx said it one time where he was like anybody out here have a Mercedes, oh, I got Mercedes problems y'all. Like nobody's going to answer you back because you're not in the same tax bracket. But there is something that he finds relatable in this special where it comes to him Jedi mind-tricking, mr T.
Speaker 5:Did y'all see Delirious In Delirium I was making fun of a lot of entertainers too. That's when I got scared because I did some jokes about Mr T and Mr T was going to fuck Ed up. I was scared because y'all see Mr T, he don't look like you know, like he can't fight. He looks like he can whip some ass right. And I was petrified. I was walking parties. People say, yo man, mr T was just here looking for you. He was walking up people saying I'm gonna whip it him over the head when I see him. Then I watched the show, cuz I know I didn't know him. I watched the show to see what kind of guy he was and the character on the show ain't too bright. So I figured if he came up to me I could use the Jedi mind trick on him. Mr T, walk up, go. I heard you did some jokes about me. No, you didn't. Maybe I didn't. I'ma go beat up the fool that told me them lies.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah. Or he talks about cheating and he says the famous catch phrase it wasn't me.
Speaker 5:Walked in the kitchen and said what the hell was you doing in that bitch's house today? Know what the man said wasn't me. Walked in the kitchen and said what the hell was you doing in that bitch's house today? You know what the man said Wasn't me.
Speaker 3:I looked right in your face.
Speaker 5:Wasn't me. Well, I'm supposed to be a fool, right? Hey, wasn't me. You know what the woman said.
Speaker 4:Maybe it wasn't you. What are some of your?
Speaker 1:favorite bits from this special. Ooh, I mean obviously the closing bit, because with the music stuff I just love that one. I already talked about the Jaddy Carson one about $300 million, like I'm pussy on layaway. Those are probably the ones that stick out the most in my mind. Oh, actually, okay, okay, probably my number one one when he gets in the fight with Rocky, when he talks about how the Italians get super geeky about it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that thing's killer Because he's doing the Italian accent and everything he talks about the time he gets in a fight at the club that leads up to his closing bit, the Rocky thing, because I was a big Rocky fan too. That bit was killing, that was just killing.
Speaker 4:I think his storytelling ability is amazing. I think when it comes to him talking about the Italians, when they first see Rocky, and then it goes into him being at the discotheque with Danny Terrio, and then it goes to him wanting that hamburger with the green peppers, and then having to call his mother, and then his mother don't answer. His father answers, and he's drunk.
Speaker 5:Hello, shirley Bitch. If you ever let my phone ring like this again, who is it? Hey, what's wrong with you? What you crying about, eddie? What's wrong with you? What you crying about, eddie? What's wrong with you? What you had a fight, lillian, give me a pistol. Who you have a fight with? What A disco? A Danny Terrio. Fuck you doing Danny Terrio.
Speaker 1:Literally, eddie Murphy retired leather suits for any comedian ever. They can't do it. No one can do that. If anyone shows up on stage anywhere leather pants, leather, any, any leather they're like oh, you're trying to be Eddie Murphy.
Speaker 4:I think any comedian like. I think they call it their leather special. Now I feel like they think they want to be like Eddie Murphy, because Eddie Murphy always wear leather in a special, so like they think they can get some of that from him.
Speaker 1:And it's like. It's like you're wearing his jersey, it's his. I've never seen anyone do it before in stand-up and anyone after you look like a copycat of him. I would never even try it.
Speaker 4:Oh man, this is hilarious. A couple more facts about this movie. This movie has the highest filth floor and filth count. They said the word fuck 223 times I got a little tidbit.
Speaker 1:I remember I think it was Robert Townsend, Robert.
Speaker 4:Townsend yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know if you heard the story where, like when they shot this movie, they originally gave it like an NC-17 rating and they had to bring the executives over to Eddie's house and they had to argue on how many fucks, how many shits and how many different like curse words. They had a whole big bargaining thing.
Speaker 7:The studio calls back we big problem. We showed it to the ratings board and they've given it an X rating. You have to recut everything. And Eddie was like, nah, I ain't cutting shit, bullshit, bullshit. And so then he goes, I ain't cutting nothing. And so then the studio was like look, eddie, we can't release an X rated film. Eddie, they're willing to work with us, eddie, they're willing to work with us. And so then we had to have this emergency meeting at Eddie's house and we have the lawyers from Paramount and the lawyers from the ratings board and they're all around this long table in Eddie's house and they've counted every curse word in the film, and you know he's got a lawyer. There's 72 motherfuckers, 52 bitches, 13 cunts and various, various cocksuckers. So let's begin. And so then, are you taking that motherfucker? Are we taking that motherfucker?
Speaker 1:How many motherfuckers for an hour?
Speaker 7:And so we go back and forth, we go back and forth and we negotiate, and then we finally get there Line for line.
Speaker 8:You guys had to negotiate, yeah.
Speaker 7:And then Eddie would get upset. Then Eddie goes like no, no, no, I need that motherfucker. I give you two bitches and a hoe for that motherfucker.
Speaker 1:I heard it took like a day or two until they're like OK, fine, we'll give you an R rating. The fucks under like 24 fucks or something like that, which is crazy.
Speaker 4:It's crazy that they had to negotiate that right, because you got to understand in the spectrum of things. And let me just paint the picture Scarface had already came out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 83. Yep.
Speaker 4:So the next person to have a higher count was Goodfellas. So when you look at it in the spectrum of things, I don't want to say right shit.
Speaker 1:But it's there. I mean Scarface is murdering, left and right trafficking cocaine using cocaine, goodfellas, organized crime, everyone's getting whacked and it's just Eddie Murphy standing on stage in leather telling jokes to an audience.
Speaker 4:Because he's swinging the microphone like his penis, and now you want to give him an X rating. I don't understand.
Speaker 3:I don't understand.
Speaker 4:It doesn't make any sense. And that's what I talk about when I talk about Eddie Murphy, and I talk about the criticism that he gets. And people on his podcast talk about this all the time. But the criticism that he gets where they say, oh yeah, well, eddie Murphy just does one thing. You mean play a whole bunch of characters in a movie yeah, the stuff that like no one else can like.
Speaker 1:If someone plays two people in a movie, they're like wow, that's amazing. Like Tom Hardy, two people in a movie, they're like wow, that's amazing. Tom Hardy did that in a movie. In Club of People he's doing four in one scene. Just the makeup alone and the mannerisms, that's Oscar worthy. That barbershop scene in. Coming to America that should have won an Oscar.
Speaker 4:Yeah, but they won't let him. You know what's funny I watched and I normally take shots at people, and I'm sorry for taking shots at people, but I watched zero day one on netflix yeah and zero day zero day.
Speaker 4:robert de niro is playing the president and the whole time I'm watching robert de niro play president, I'm thinking he's about to whack somebody Like I think he's from Casino, I think he's from Goodfellas, I think he's from Godfather. And then I had to really think to myself when have I ever seen Robert De Niro play somebody besides a gangster or a cop Like I mean he did some like what was it?
Speaker 1:It's rare.
Speaker 4:It's real rare, it's rare. There's Meet the Parents. Yep and Dirty Grandpa.
Speaker 1:That's what I was thinking of.
Speaker 4:Dirty Grandpa yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1:And for Dirty Grandpa. He said in those comedies he did where he kind of sucked, he said like he was going through a divorce because his wife had blew like 150 million dollars trying to start a coffee company. So he took roles he normally wouldn't even take right. So that whole stretch of like him doing these weird comedy stuff that was because he needed dope, exactly so it's, it's like.
Speaker 4:It's like we forget that al pacino was in geely. Yeah, we we forget that christopher walken is also in that movie as well, but we forget that Christopher Walken is also in that movie as well. But we forget about the people that we hold high in movies like and I always say the Steve Martins, the Martin Short, even Robin Williams. When you think about Robin Williams, he's a Juilliard actor, yes, and I will never take away what he does in drama, but his comedies oh, he had some terrible bombs.
Speaker 1:I mean stuff that just did not connect for years. There's some RV, one across the country, where I was like I didn't know this thing came out. It made it to theaters.
Speaker 4:It made it to theaters RV Flubber, the list, club Paradise, the list goes on. So when I say this because I just was talking to another comedian I was supposed to have on the show soon they basically said we want to do a Pluto Nash episode. And he was like, oh, wasn't that the movie that ruined Eddie Murphy's career? And I was like every movie they said ruined Eddie Murphy's career. Yeah, you know every movie. And when I say that, I talk about the movies like Harlem Nights, that didn't, that didn't get favorable reviews.
Speaker 1:Which I like that movie a lot Everyone loves that movie.
Speaker 4:This thing was gentlemen got bad reviews, boomerang got bad reviews.
Speaker 1:I remember hearing about the boomerang that, in my opinion, might be considered the greatest all black movie I've ever seen, in the fact that it grossed a ton of money and no white person had more than three lines. It was all-Black everywhere. The idea of Eddie, martin Lawrence and David Allen we are friends that's killer. Then you throw in the fact Halle Berry isn't even the number one hot chick. She's the artsy sidekick to the hot chick's movie Hotter Than Hair. Her, I'm like what. And it still worked. And you got lila rachan in an open scene with the jacked up feet, like it's that thing. That movie is playing john witherspoon. He's doing his bang, bang, bang at the dinner. That movie is unbelievable. And I remember reading review where someone saying eddie must live in an alternate universe where all the all the executives are black. I'm like they're in beauty products and who cares? It's a comedy. Like just let it ride. Like it's just a. It's a. It's a romantic comedy and it's extremely well done.
Speaker 4:And I don't has there been like a major black romantic comedy since since yes, but not, I want to say boomerang was one of the first of his kind I say it all the time because, like, if you think about what we call a romantic comedy per se, there weren't that many.
Speaker 4:When it came to black people, I think the only movie that predates a quote unquote romantic comedy is strictly business. Oh, okay, all right, I think I'm not sure, cause I had this conversation with our friend Darian before, where I was trying to figure out like is boomerang like the first romantic comedy, and if you for black people and if you think about it, it's not like the only movie that predates that is like Claudine and that's not a comedy.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you know, I mean she's got to have it. I don't think it's a comedy, but it was billed as a comedy.
Speaker 1:Oh, I didn't know, it was billed as a comedy.
Speaker 4:Exactly, and that's a whole racial thing. I'll say real quick, because we were on this, I'll probably edit it out, but I feel that when it comes to black people for for for white people to digest an all-black cast, they have to make it a comedy either they have to make it a comedy, or they have to make it slavery oh, one thousand percent.
Speaker 1:I make it slavery. Oh, one thousand percent. A little side note here. I read a book by M Night Shyamalan where he talked about his kind of coming up in the industry and he said he met with a high level executive on the Warner Brothers or somewhere and he asked him why is it that we don't get like a crossover of black people or brown people to cross over to an audience unless it's comedy? Like Eddie Murphy, an executive, without batting an eye, said well, in order for the crossover in a non-comedic way, white people have to see themselves in that person's shoes. Laughter is innate If it's funny, bang. So that's why Eddie Murphy crossover, why it's way more harder for someone like Denzel to crossover. And he basically broke it down Like that's why we'll do black comedies. We're not going to do big black dramas or romantic comedies Like they wouldn't really do it. They want to say either drama side, like you said, slavery or flat out comedy. That's it, Cause they don't think white people to see themselves in black people's shoes.
Speaker 4:I yeah, I think that's why. Reason why? Because you know, and I think that's when it started to, because when they remember when the whole Sony leak happened and they were talking about, you know, denzel was one of the people. How come Denzel doesn't translate more than Will Smith? And you know, it was mostly because of the comedies. But you know, if you look at the Equalizer movies, the third Equalizer movie takes place in Italy. It's mostly in Italian, I know, because I had the bootleg and there was no subtitles. It's an Italian film to me but it makes a lot of sense. It's weird. And it's crazy because when you get to a person like Eddie Murphy, he's one of the first to cross over, like that. I mean, you had richard pryor and I'm no disrespect to richard pryor whatsoever, he's a genius but his movies never translated no, not the ones where he's starring, not the ones where he's starting.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, jojo dance is not playing in China. No.
Speaker 1:Like, like, like Eddie Murphy movies, those 80s movies he was. He went to China, he went to Australia, he went everywhere. People knew who Eddie Murphy was, period.
Speaker 4:He was as big as Michael Jackson was.
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 4:You know. So it's, it's. I don't, I don't know. Maybe, man, I can go on all day talking about this. I don't know, man, I can go on all day talking about this. If you were to give a top five of stand-up specials, where would Eddie Murphy Raw rank.
Speaker 1:Okay, so my number one, as still, is Richard Pryor, live in concert. I think it's 79 at Torrance, 79, yeah, the gold shoes I might be gold shoes, but I remember the red silk top, red's for you. That's probably the best one, because I knew that was one take and he basically the opening 10 minutes. He basically gives away death jokes. He just talks to the audience as people are coming back. It's brilliant that one quietly. Bill Cosby himself.
Speaker 4:I love Bill Cosby himself, I love.
Speaker 1:Bill Cosby himself. That's a great one. Then I'd probably take the first or second from Chris Rock. Bring the Painter Bigger and Blacker and I could easily slide Raw or Delirious right in there. In that top five I'll probably pick one Chappelle, that's probably why that's kind of my top five. So, like Raw, I could have anywhere from three or four to maybe seven.
Speaker 4:Yeah, Before I let you go, I have to know what are your top five Eddie Murphy films.
Speaker 1:Ooh, okay. Top five Eddie Murphy. This is going to be in no particular order. Okay, I got 48 hours. Okay, I'm not including stand-up specials. Yeah, you don't have to. Coming to America Still love Boomerang Life. I loved him in Dolomite, I want to put that up there because that performance was.
Speaker 1:It was just great as far as films for him him as Thunder, whatever. He should have won the Oscar for Dreamgirls. He should have got that, but that wasn't his film, so I'm not going to include that, but I want to put that Dolomite in it. I thought that was just a great job.
Speaker 4:Can you just explain to the audience how Dolomite affects creatives?
Speaker 1:I don't know how much time you got.
Speaker 4:Go for it.
Speaker 1:It's literally. I mean first of all an argument. Remember James Brown, one of the first rappers. He combined comedy and music, probably one of the first people who, like his albums, were selling independently. He was basically like, imagine if you had eddie murphy he never did tv and you had like cash money records before they got a deal. He basically combined both of those to drop these albums that were selling like hot cakes. So he kind of pushed the independent scene for both sides and he got screwed over because I met one of the guys who managed a catalog and he said dolomite wasn't getting nowhere near what he was supposed to be getting. He was getting pennies on the dollar so he had to deal with that too. So basically he dealt with the worst parts of hollywood and the music industry.
Speaker 1:But like basically old, dirty bastard. You could say it's a derivative of him, a lot of official ig bomb. You could say it's like a spin-off of that, like his. I mean, red fox is kind of, at least the character on sanford is kind of a similar ish. So like dolomite, what I'd say is ubiquitous everywhere in some way, shape or form that independent hustle, grind, knock it out and not listen to people who don't know what to like, just do it yourself, the whole do-it-yourself movement, like wu-tang I didn't have a wu-tang album or like you're gonna take all these people, put it together and put it out. Who are these guys? That was the kind of same hustling side of kind of grind that dolomite had yeah, and I love that.
Speaker 4:I love the way they portrayed all of that in the movie as well. Like for for. When you watch a movie like because for for years I've known who dolomite is, I've known, like, I've seen him in pop culture, he's in, they talk about him in the movie House Party, you've seen his Def Jam appearance but to really know what his story is, when you watch that Don't Mind my Name movie, you realize this is a man that got the door pushed in his face every chance he got and he had to go independent. He had to go this way just to make a name for himself. And it speaks to creatives, to comedians, to actors, to everybody who gets doors slammed in their face and you have to turn around and put out you know original product, kind of like a short film that's coming out this summer yes, that's a great tie in there.
Speaker 1:It probably title spangled. That'll be me, darian darian philip evans directing it. Yeah, this spring, summer, be out there definitely.
Speaker 4:Can you please tell the people where they can find you?
Speaker 1:I'll be in chicago. I've got a show later this month, tight ship, so I'll be around chicago area doing stand-up. I also got music dropping the boldy singles out to yushi adined I have a followup with that should be out sometime in June with another single with Sir Michael rocks from cool kids in Chicago and I think uh, Chris crack should have some singles on there too. So this summer I have some new music out too.
Speaker 4:Oh dope. Well, I thank you for doing this.
Speaker 1:I think the people listening.
Speaker 4:Anytime, man, anytime you want to come back on, just let me know you know we're trying to. We're trying to push out the last couple of films but you know, anytime you want to talk about a movie that I've done already, I'm open word, I'm open to talk about this stuff. But definitely thank you for being here, thank the audience for listening and, as always, be kind to others. God bless you and good night.