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I"},{"speaker":"Lucy Homer","startTime":2244.13,"endTime":2247.52,"body":"think the big multi discies will"},{"speaker":"Lucy Homer","startTime":2247.52,"endTime":2250.67,"body":"survive, and I think small niche"},{"speaker":"Lucy Homer","startTime":2247.52,"endTime":2250.67,"body":"practices this will survive, but"},{"speaker":"Lucy Homer","startTime":2250.67,"endTime":2252.92,"body":"I think the medium sized"},{"speaker":"Lucy Homer","startTime":2250.67,"endTime":2252.92,"body":"practices will struggle."},{"speaker":"Paul O'Neill","startTime":2253.01,"endTime":2255.68,"body":"Lucy, it's been"},{"speaker":"Paul O'Neill","startTime":2253.01,"endTime":2255.68,"body":"fantastic talking to you. It's"},{"speaker":"Paul O'Neill","startTime":2255.68,"endTime":2258.14,"body":"been a great conversation. Thank"},{"speaker":"Paul O'Neill","startTime":2255.68,"endTime":2258.14,"body":"you for joining us."},{"speaker":"Lucy Homer","startTime":2258.26,"endTime":2260.18,"body":"It's my pleasure."},{"speaker":"Lucy Homer","startTime":2258.26,"endTime":2260.18,"body":"Have a good day everyone."},{"speaker":"Paul O'Neill","startTime":2260.69,"endTime":2262.76,"body":"Thank you for"},{"speaker":"Paul O'Neill","startTime":2260.69,"endTime":2262.76,"body":"listening to this edition of"},{"speaker":"Paul O'Neill","startTime":2262.76,"endTime":2266.15,"body":"Built Environment Matters."},{"speaker":"Paul O'Neill","startTime":2262.76,"endTime":2266.15,"body":"Please join us again next time."},{"speaker":"Credits","startTime":2268.16,"endTime":2271.04,"body":"Thank you for listening"},{"speaker":"Credits","startTime":2268.16,"endTime":2271.04,"body":"to Built Environment Matters. 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