{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":0.0,"endTime":3.06,"body":"Hello again"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":0.0,"endTime":3.06,"body":"all, and welcome to this episode"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":3.09,"endTime":5.49,"body":"of Built Environment Matters,"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":3.09,"endTime":5.49,"body":"the Bryden Wood podcast."},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":5.55,"endTime":9.06,"body":"I'm your returning host Jaimie"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":5.55,"endTime":9.06,"body":"Johnston, and this episode I'm"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":9.06,"endTime":10.98,"body":"joined by Tim Coldwell from Chandos."},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":11.759,"endTime":16.544,"body":"Tim is a husband, dad and indigenous"},{"speaker":"Jaimie Johnston","startTime":11.759,"endTime":16.544,"body":"entrepreneur focused on leading by serving"},{"speaker":"Jaimie 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